Arizona Senate Passes Bill Allowing Business Owners To Refuse Service To Gays

[Wildman]

The highest number of people missing work is during the Super Bowel.

hummmm !! was that a (sic) or poor spelling ?

 

[R.D.]

The law has nothing to do with lunch counters

Wow, are you this dense?
The law allows a restaurant to refuse service to gay folks at their lunch counter.
Wake the hell up. Are you really this naive and gullible that you follow like sheep to anything that they claim is "religious freedom"?

No it doesn't. Stop being a sheep trying to be in the cool crowd and being proud to be an asshole.

 

[Gadawg73]

The law has nothing to do with lunch counters

Wow, are you this dense?
The law allows a restaurant to refuse service to gay folks at their lunch counter.
Wake the hell up. Are you really this naive and gullible that you follow like sheep to anything that they claim is "religious freedom"?

No it doesn't. Stop being a sheep trying to be in the cool crowd and being proud to be an asshole.

You think supporting gay folks is "trying to be in the cool crowd"?

 

[R.D.]

Governor Brewer needs to make a decision I guess. Jude 1 and Romans 1 vs placating the church of LGBT on yet another landmark suppression of people's free speech to disagree with the cult.

She is in a very unfortunate position IMHO. If she vetos this Bill, she is in a position of power such that she will be committing an assault on christians' mandate in Jude 1 & Romans 1 to "earnestly contend" to defend the "common salvation" from her unique position. On the other hand, if she upholds christians' rights to not go to hell forever for enabling a homosexual takeover of marriage and culture itself by extension thereof of that acme icon, then the church of LGBT has promised to aggressively retaliate.

Sometimes earnestly defending the faith and not enabling the destruction of the matrix of society itself is not an easy thing to do. But the price for failing to do it is far, far worse...

Tough position to be in.. And yet, from the Chic Fil A and Boycott A&E numbers, one wonders how much teeth this threatened church of LGBT retaliation will have? It could be that Arizona will become a Mecca for those who disagree with gay marriage... Wonder what those numbers would be? If she signs the Bill, I personally will be taking a trip to the Grand Canyon this Summer and staying at one of the fine towns in Arizona as well as telling everyone I talk to, to do the same. Maybe we might even put up a Facebook page "Like Arizona" and see how many hits it gets?

Wonder where Chic Fil A stands on this bill.
They serve gay folks at their restaurant.

Yes, they do. You wonder because you are clueless on the details. But don't let that stop you

 

[R.D.]

Wow, are you this dense?
The law allows a restaurant to refuse service to gay folks at their lunch counter.
Wake the hell up. Are you really this naive and gullible that you follow like sheep to anything that they claim is "religious freedom"?

No it doesn't. Stop being a sheep trying to be in the cool crowd and being proud to be an asshole.

You think supporting gay folks is "trying to be in the cool crowd"?

No. Supporting gays at the expense of others puts you in the "I'm cool" crowd. Thinking isn't a necessity with that group.

 

[Wildman]

why do the qweers (i am NOT a politically correct sort of person, in my time we called them QWEERS, also, ******* QWEERS ) need special protection and laws in their favor ?

note to all qweers on this forum:

why don't you all just do your thing, don't flaunt your shit in front of me and we will get along fine, even tho i know you all are democRAT liberals, soooo, SHUT THE **** UP !

 

[PaintMyHouse]

why do the qweers (i am NOT a politically correct sort of person, in my time we called them QWEERS, also, ******* QWEERS ) need special protection and laws in their favor ?

note to all qweers on this forum:

why don't you all just do your thing, don't flaunt your shit in front of me and we will get along fine, even tho i know you all are democRAT liberals, soooo, SHUT THE **** UP !

Equal isn't special, and we went out of our way to pass these Equality laws because people like you went out of your way to give them shit. It's your fault actually. and as you can see, I'm not PC either.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

So we pass laws to protect the "religious beliefs" of business people on Monday through Saturday and then we go to church on Sunday asking forgiveness for our sins of not treating gays and lesbians as we would have them treat us.

You are confusing your delusions for how real people do things.

So you follow Scripture and Love Thy Neighbor and do unto gay folks as you would have them do unto you.
Right, fat chance of that. You hate gay folks and treat them like scum.
Admit it and maybe you will have some credibility here.

I would never force anyone to come to my wedding, which is why I expect them to return the favor.

Maybe you should think about your position before you try to use Scripture against someone who actually studies it.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

No Catholic priest has ever been forced to marry 2 Jews or 2 Muslims.
And never will.
EVER.
Or 2 gays or 2 midgets or 2 whatever.
The law is they can not do anything TO STOP folks from being married.
NOT forced to CONDUCT THE CEREMONY.
Same with every preacher and pastor in the country.
That argument is a bogus fraud lie to the core.
AMAZING the damn lies the religious right spreads.

It is amazing how you think that is reassuring. does that come from being a closed minded bigot?

I am open to new ideas and things as that is what allows me to not judge gay folks and treat them as equals.
You support laws that allow people to deny equal service to gay folks because you are a closed minded bigot.

Let me get this straight, you suddenly think that an organization that is vilified worldwide for multiple crusades, including one that involved sending children to war, inquisitions, and burning people at the stake, never once in 2000 years ordered a marriage that was on shaky grounds theologically and legally?

See the problem yet?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The law has nothing to do with lunch counters

Wow, are you this dense?
The law allows a restaurant to refuse service to gay folks at their lunch counter.
Wake the hell up. Are you really this naive and gullible that you follow like sheep to anything that they claim is "religious freedom"?

The only people saying that are those gay bogeymen you were ranting about earlier. In reality, it is closly modeled on the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

I am pretty sure you aren't going to try and argue that federal law allows people to discriminate at lunch counters, but will be happy to mock you if you chose to try.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Now, Arizona may lose the Super Bowl.

NFL won?t rule out a move of Super Bowl XLIX | ProFootballTalk

Good for the NFL.

**** the NFL !!

There is no chance that the NFL will punish ANYONE whether they pass the legislation or not. The NFL learned YEARS and YEARS ago that they are in the entertainment business - NOT the sports business - just like the WWE.

The only God the NFL bows to is money. Their view of gays or straight or man or woman means NOTHING to their views of the face on the dollar bill. Make no mistake about it - they couldn't care less - as long as the money keeps rolling in.

 

[Barb]

That got me thinking how ridiculous this is. Should vegetarians be able to sue restaurants who serve meat because its offensive and discriminatory to vegetarians? I mean yeah, that's about as bad as gay couples suing a religious business owner for refusing them service based on his religious beliefs.

you two have devolved into the patently absurd, with more than a hint of word salad thrown in.

If I don't like liver, I can't sue to have it removed from the menu; if Thai food makes me sick I can't force the Thai restaurant to serve Italian - as well OR instead; but if either refuse someone service because, for example I'm a woman, or your sexual orientation, or Quantum's race (or religion!), THEN they violate public accommodations law.

You are the one with the problem. Have you ever considered what the logical end result of a quest for equality will be? I know reading a Sparks Note version of a novel is beyond your skill set, but perhaps a video will give you a taste of what you are arguing for.

That is not the "logical end result" of treating people equitably, it is your illogical extreme.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

you two have devolved into the patently absurd, with more than a hint of word salad thrown in.

If I don't like liver, I can't sue to have it removed from the menu; if Thai food makes me sick I can't force the Thai restaurant to serve Italian - as well OR instead; but if either refuse someone service because, for example I'm a woman, or your sexual orientation, or Quantum's race (or religion!), THEN they violate public accommodations law.

You are the one with the problem. Have you ever considered what the logical end result of a quest for equality will be? I know reading a Sparks Note version of a novel is beyond your skill set, but perhaps a video will give you a taste of what you are arguing for.

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That is not the "logical end result" of treating people equitably, it is your illogical extreme.

Mandating equality can only end up in one place.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Mandating equality can only end up in one place.

Lunch.

 

[Bfgrn]

If Brewer signs this law, she will be asking for boycotts and the loss of business in Arizona. It is her choice...

Sounds like a threat. I can't see any normal people cancelling a trip to Arizona because business folks get some rights back. The wackos can stick to their liberal meccas so it's a win win.

Try to get a life outside a message board.

And yes, threats HAVE been issued...by businesses.

Businesses lash out over Arizona's anti-gay bill

NEW YORK (CNNMoney)

Businesses are lashing out over an Arizona bill that would allow retailers to refuse service to lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender customers based on the owners' religious convictions.

The Arizona Legislature passed the bill last Thursday, and it is now awaiting Gov. Jan Brewer's signature. While proponents say the legislation was introduced as a way to afford religious freedom to business owners, critics say it opens the door to discrimination.

"When the legislature passes bills like this, it creates a reputation that Arizona is judgmental and unwelcoming," states a letter that more than 80 businesses sent to Gov. Brewer on Monday. "This will haunt our business community for decades to come."

National corporations including American Airlines, AT&T, Delta Airlines (Fortune 500), Intel (Fortune 500), Marriott (Fortune 500), PetSmart (Fortune 500) and Yelp are among those urging Brewer to veto the bill, saying the law would be bad for the state's reputation and bad for business -- repelling tourists, potential employees and current workers who live in the state.

"I can assure you that this proposed legislation is causing tremendous concerns for our employees, particularly those who live and work in Arizona," American Airlines CEO Doug Parker wrote in a letter to Brewer.

Meanwhile, Intel, which has nearly 12,000 employees in Arizona, said the bill directly conflicts with its own non-discrimination policy, which "values and welcomes diversity in the workplace."

Meanwhile, business development groups fear that new companies will no longer want to relocate to the state -- dealing a huge blow to an economy that is only just beginning to recover from the recession.

Barry Broome, president & CEO of the Greater Phoenix Economic Council, said in a letter to Gov. Brewer that four companies that were considering expanding to Arizona have already threatened to cancel their plans unless the bill is vetoed.

Even Apple (Fortune 500), which recently announced plans to build a new glass plant in Mesa, Ariz., and bring 2,000 new jobs to the state, reportedly called on Brewer to veto the bill.

There are also questions about whether next year's Super Bowl would still take place in Arizona if the bill is passed, with the event expected to be a big boon to the economy.

"This legislation has the potential of subjecting the Super Bowl, and major events surrounding it, to the threats of boycotts," Broome's letter states.



Arizona Anti-Gay Law Would Be 'Devastating,' John McCain, Jeff Flake Warn

WASHINGTON -- With signs emerging that Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer (R) may veto the anti-gay bill passed by the state legislature last week, Arizona's two U.S. senators repeated their pleas for her to do so, saying the law would be "devastating."

Sen. Jeff Flake (R) said he had a chance to express his concerns to the governor in person Monday night.

"I encouraged her again to veto it," Flake told several reporters on Capitol Hill Tuesday.

"I don't think it's needed, and ... it would be devastating economically to the state," he said of the bill, SB 1062, which makes it legal for businesses to discriminate against gay people on the grounds of promoting religious freedom.

Flake said the bill's message is "not one that we want to send."

Business leaders have spoken out vehemently against the bill. The Super Bowl Host Committee that's preparing for the 2015 championship, slated to be held in Glendale, Ariz., has also weighed in, advising Brewer to use her veto pen.

"The entire business community is galvanized in a way that I've never seen against this legislation," said McCain. He added that the Super Bowl was only part of the problem.

"That's one of [business leaders'] concerns, but the major concern is frankly tourism and location of businesses in Arizona," he said.

 

[protectionist]

Am sure Jesus is real proud of folks denying service to others based on their sexuality.
No Christian does that if they truly believe in LOVE THY NEIGHBOR and DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD THEM DO UNTO YOU. Golden Rule and Luke 6:31 which I memorized at age 5: "And as you wish that others would do to you, do SO TO THEM".
Bunch of sad sack Christians here.

Hypocrisy unlimited. Queers impose their perversions on the normal society, but refuse to accept the normal society's standards. They break the golden rule into a thousand pieces.

 

[The T]

I can't wait until it goes to court

Why would it go to court?

It goes against Civil Rights. Leave it to the loonies on the far right to think this is acceptable in the United States.

What civil rights? And when did GAY become a race? What we are talking about here is forced acceptance of a lifestyle upon society.

 

[AceRothstein]

Now, Arizona may lose the Super Bowl.

NFL won?t rule out a move of Super Bowl XLIX | ProFootballTalk

Good for the NFL.

**** the NFL !!

There is no chance that the NFL will punish ANYONE whether they pass the legislation or not. The NFL learned YEARS and YEARS ago that they are in the entertainment business - NOT the sports business - just like the WWE.

The only God the NFL bows to is money. Their view of gays or straight or man or woman means NOTHING to their views of the face on the dollar bill. Make no mistake about it - they couldn't care less - as long as the money keeps rolling in.

You mean like when the NFL punished Arizona over the MLK holiday in the 90's? The NFL will pull the Super Bowl in a heartbeat if this somehow passes.

 

[Bumberclyde]

Why would it go to court?

It goes against Civil Rights. Leave it to the loonies on the far right to think this is acceptable in the United States.

What civil rights? And when did GAY become a race? What we are talking about here is forced acceptance of a lifestyle upon society.

And we're forced to accept your homophobic lifestyle?

 

[Iceweasel]

And we're forced to accept your homophobic lifestyle?

Not making a gay wedding cake is a lifestyle? If that's your definition then yes, you should be subjected to it and take your business elsewhere. That's all the bill was supposed to be for. Not refusing to serve you if you were gay, although it still isn't clear how a business can read minds. Some of you act like the law would legalize gay lynchings. Which side is propagandizing the issue? The side that says business folks should be allowed to choose what they offer?