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A Catholic priest (not sure of his name) wrote the following in regard to
Sunday's Mass Gospel reading, St Luke 16:19 (full Gospel passage follows)
Emphasis and bracketed words are mine (Forkintheroad7)



My sisters and brothers, in the Gospel of our Mass this weekend [St Luke 16:19 (following)] we have Jesus telling us the story of the rich man who feasted sumptuously every day and refused to share even the crumbs from his table with a starving beggar at his gate. Try to picture the scene… We are all tainted with selfishness. We do not find it easy to share our possessions with others. We find it even harder to share ourselves with them. But we are all beggars before God. We need [to beg for God’s] forgiveness especially for our refusal to share. We should pray for this forgiveness as we participate in our Sunday [Mass].

No human being, much less a follower of Jesus, can say that he is responsible only for himself, and that his neighbor’s plight is none of his business. Otherwise, he speaks like Cain who [denied being his] brother’s keeper, and acts like Dives—the rich man in [this] parable—who was so cushioned by his lavish lifestyle that he was… oblivious to the presence of a needy person at his gate and treated him as if he were less than nothing, or part of the scenery. The frightening thing about the parable of Jesus is this: Dives, the rich man, was obviously a believer. He had heard what the Scriptures had to say, but clearly its message had not penetrated beyond his ears. It had not converted him. His heart remained like a stone. And there is no place in the Kingdom of Heaven for a person like that…

It is not easy to convert the rich. It is like this: the more people have, the more they have to lose. The more people have to lose, the more fearful they become… the more defensive they get… The result is that they end up with a withered heart. And it is [virtually] impossible to breathe life into a withered heart. To close one’s heart is to begin to die, to open one’s heart is to begin to live. At the end of the day, it is not what we carry in our… wallets or bank accounts that matters. What matters is what we carry in our hearts. That is where the rich man was found wanting. Poverty of the heart is the worst form of poverty. May our generous Lord inspire us to be generous of heart like Him to those in need.

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Gospel of Luke 16:19

The Rich Man and Lazarus​

There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.


The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’


“But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’


“He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’


“Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’


“‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’


He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”



Me: Amazing--wouldn't believe even if one were to rise from the dead!

That's some serious obstinacy
 
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A Catholic priest (not sure of his name) wrote the following in regard to
Sunday's Mass Gospel reading, St Luke 16:19 (full Gospel passage follows)
Emphasis and bracketed words are mine (Forkintheroad7)



My sisters and brothers, in the Gospel of our Mass this weekend [St Luke 16:19 (following)] we have Jesus telling us the story of the rich man who feasted sumptuously every day and refused to share even the crumbs from his table with a starving beggar at his gate. Try to picture the scene… We are all tainted with selfishness. We do not find it easy to share our possessions with others. We find it even harder to share ourselves with them. But we are all beggars before God. We need [to beg for God’s] forgiveness especially for our refusal to share. We should pray for this forgiveness as we participate in our Sunday [Mass].

No human being, much less a follower of Jesus, can say that he is responsible only for himself, and that his neighbor’s plight is none of his business. Otherwise, he speaks like Cain who [denied being his] brother’s keeper, and acts like Dives—the rich man in [this] parable—who was so cushioned by his lavish lifestyle that he was… oblivious to the presence of a needy person at his gate and treated him as if he were less than nothing, or part of the scenery. The frightening thing about the parable of Jesus is this: Dives, the rich man, was obviously a believer. He had heard what the Scriptures had to say, but clearly its message had not penetrated beyond his ears. It had not converted him. His heart remained like a stone. And there is no place in the Kingdom of Heaven for a person like that…

It is not easy to convert the rich. It is like this: the more people have, the more they have to lose. The more people have to lose, the more fearful they become… the more defensive they get… The result is that they end up with a withered heart. And it is [virtually] impossible to breathe life into a withered heart. To close one’s heart is to begin to die, to open one’s heart is to begin to live. At the end of the day, it is not what we carry in our… wallets or bank accounts that matters. What matters is what we carry in our hearts. That is where the rich man was found wanting. Poverty of the heart is the worst form of poverty. May our generous Lord inspire us to be generous of heart like Him to those in need.

⛪



Gospel of Luke 16:19

The Rich Man and Lazarus​

There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.


The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’


“But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’


“He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’


“Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’


“‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’


He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”



Me: Amazing--wouldn't believe even if one were to rise from the dead!

That's some serious obstinacy
In all of this mindless drivel is there a solution to the homeless. No. Its enabling the mentally ill to suffer while people can feel good about themselves. You wart to help the homeless. Take them off the street by force if necessary and put them in a mental hospital. Treat them stabilize them when possible, grain them to work, treat them but patient but never let them refuse treatment.
 
In all of this mindless drivel is there a solution to the homeless. No. Its enabling the mentally ill to suffer while people can feel good about themselves. You wart to help the homeless. Take them off the street by force if necessary and put them in a mental hospital. Treat them stabilize them when possible, grain them to work, treat them but patient but never let them refuse treatment.
Too bad you think all the homeless are mentally ill

That seems like something a mentally ill person would believe...
 
I'm tired of people throwing out the accusation of mental illness against people they don't even know (the homeless)

but never DEFINING the term

Strictly speaking, we are ALL mentally ill. It's called SIN and all of us are guilty of it. Therefore, the term Mental illness is meaningless.

If you worry too much, you are "mentally ill" because Jesus said to trust Him and the Father

If you obsess about your possessions, you are mentally ill because Jesus said to SHARE them w/ others...

and I could go on and on...............

If you are a judge who lets violent, repeat offenders out of prison so they can murder a young woman on a lightrail train, you are VERY mentally ill and should not be a judge... AND should be in prison with the one you released

but hey, at least you're not as bad as those OMG OMG worthless -human- trash homeless people (!)
so you will not go to prison and in fact will keep your job as "judge" (since the non-violent homeless are far worse than you are)

Society has lost its mind
 
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Too bad you think all the homeless are mentally ill

That seems like something a mentally ill person would believe...
Clearly the Bible points out that God is in the business of aiding the poor and oppressed, which have broad definitions all the way round and that he expects his followers to address these issues.

But should the state mandate it?

What say you?
 
In all of this mindless drivel is there a solution to the homeless. No. Its enabling the mentally ill to suffer while people can feel good about themselves. You wart to help the homeless. Take them off the street by force if necessary and put them in a mental hospital. Treat them stabilize them when possible, grain them to work, treat them but patient but never let them refuse treatment.
Was John the Baptist in the Bible mentally ill?

He had no home and lived in the wilderness eating locust and wild honey.
 
Clearly the Bible points out that God is in the business of aiding the poor and oppressed, which have broad definitions all the way round and that he expects his followers to address these issues.

But should the state mandate it?

What say you?
When Christians do not fulfill the obligation mentioned in this "homily" and mentioned in Luke 16:19

maybe ...
 
Too bad you think all the homeless are mentally ill

That seems like something a mentally ill person would believe...
I worked at Temple hospital and treated the homeless in the psych unit. They are all mentally ill. They have schizophrenia, Wernicke's Korsakoff's syndrome from alcohol abuse, addiction, bipolar disorder, unresolved PTSD self medicated with street drugs. Too bad you have no idea what the problem is which makes you part of the problem. When did you get your degree in psychology.

The homeless were created when JFK passed the Community Behavioral Health act of 1963 closing all the mental institutions.
 
Was John the Baptist in the Bible mentally ill?

He had no home and lived in the wilderness eating locust and wild honey.
Jesus was homeless also

Those who are quick to accuse others of being mentally ill could be the worst of all (though it's a subjective term, usually)
 
Was John the Baptist in the Bible mentally ill?

He had no home and lived in the wilderness eating locust and wild honey.
Likely a schizophrenic isolated and anti social clear signs of mental illness
 
I worked at Temple hospital and treated the homeless in the psych unit. They are all mentally ill. They have schizophrenia, Wernicke's Korsakoff's syndrome from alcohol abuse, addiction, bipolar disorder, unresolved PTSD self medicated with street drugs. Too bad you have no idea what the problem is which makes you part of the problem. When did you get your degree in psychology.

The homeless were created when JFK passed the Community Behavioral Health act of 1963 closing all the mental institutions.

Too bad you conclude from your faulty premise that all who went to your hospital who were homeless were mentally ill and therefore every homeless person who DIDN't go there ARE as well.

And when / if the judge mentioned in my last few posts were to show up at that hospital, you would likely

ha ha

release her

because she wasn't homeless, therefore, not mentally ill................:rolleyes:
 
When Christians do not fulfill the obligation mentioned in this "homily" and mentioned in Luke 16:19

maybe ...
Did Christ and his disciples fulfill the obligation?

It seems to me that Jesus said that the poor will always be with you, meaning an endless obligation which they did not end.

So, what you are really saying is that the state should step in and "fix" the problem, a problem Jesus said you would always have, even with state involvement.

In fact, when Jesus fed the multitude with fish and bread, they wanted to make him their king, but he fled from them and refused to be their earthly king.

He could have stayed and fed the world 24/7, so why did he not do that?
 
I'm tired of people throwing out the accusation of mental illness against people they don't even know (the homeless)

but never DEFINING the term

Strictly speaking, we are ALL mentally ill. It's called SIN and all of us are guilty of it. Therefore, the term Mental illness is meaningless.

If you worry too much, you are "mentally ill" because Jesus said to trust Him and the Father

If you obsess about your possessions, you are mentally ill because Jesus said to SHARE them w/ others...

and I could go on and on...............

If you are a judge who lets violent, repeat offenders out of prison so they can murder a young woman on a lightrail train, you are VERY mentally ill and should not be a judge...

but hey, at least you're not as bad as those OMG OMG worthless -human- trash homeless people (!)
so you will keep your job as "judge"

Society has lost its mind
So what is your diagnosis that youre in denial of. Hiding behind religion to blend in?
 
Clearly the Bible points out that God is in the business of aiding the poor and oppressed, which have broad definitions all the way round and that he expects his followers to address these issues.

But should the state mandate it?

What say you?
We have to be careful to avoid getting entangled with the state. Down that road lies corruption.
 
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In all of this mindless drivel is there a solution to the homeless. No.
Yes, there are solutions but America never elected a socially responsible government and now there's a long road back.
Impossible under the rule of a corporate psychopath!
 
Social isolation is a clear symptom of mental illness as a diagnostic standard.
Does it cause it or vice versa?

Its like drug and alcohol use. Look at the health history of any psych patient, and they are abusing something

So, does it help cause their mental condition, or do people with that mental condition just naturally seek those things to try and cope.

It's the chicken or the egg question.
 
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