Are Tariffs A Good Idea?

Tariffs on $20.7 billion worth of goods will take effect immediately, while tariffs on the remaining $86.3 billion in U.S. products will begin in 21 days, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said in a statement late Monday. They will remain until the U.S. trade action is withdrawn, he said.

“Because of the tariffs imposed by the U.S., Americans will pay more for groceries, gas and cars, and potentially lose thousands of jobs,” Trudeau said. “Tariffs will disrupt an incredibly successful trading relationship. They will violate the very trade agreement that was negotiated by President Trump in his last term.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average dropped about 800 points, or 1.8%. The S&P 500 fell 2.1% and was set for its worst day of the year. The tech-heavy Nasdaq Composite slid 3%, weighed down by a separate issue affecting Nvidia, which was already down more than 9%.

In Canada, meanwhile, retaliation against U.S. tariffs could also extend to its individual provinces. Ontario Premier Doug Ford told NBC’s “Meet the Press NOW” on Monday that Canada would “respond like they’ve never seen before.”

He said he was prepared to retaliate by cutting off the transmission of electricity from his province to the U.S. as well as shipments of nickel, which “will shut down manufacturing because 50% of the nickel you use is coming out of Ontario.”


It’s Deja vu all over again. He may even beat Hoover this time.
skrewey we already know you know nothing about tariffs. Enough is enough.
 
An economy racing toward an iceberg
On Monday, the Atlanta Fed revised downward its already pessimistic estimate of the US GDP's performance in Q1 2025. Last week, it predicted GDP would shrink by 1.5%. Today they said the number would be -2.8%. God only knows what they'll say next week, especially since on Monday, Trump committed to 25% tariffs on our two largest trading partners, Canada and Mexico.

This dismal prognosis is even more stark when contrasted to early optimism. At the end of January the Atlanta Fed said Q1 GDP growth could nudge +4.0%. I don't know what those Fed economists were smoking then. But they have obviously sobered up now. That’s what happens when you see awful in action.

The daily dose of comic book rhetoric.
 
I’ve never seen a president reverse a growing economy so quickly and so deliberately. Just bizarre.
No you haven't. This is unprecendented. One thing that neither consumers nor markets will abide is uncertainty, and we haven't seen this size and intensity of uncertainty since WWII. And yeah, it's all deliberate.

I'm holding out hope that there is some kind of master economic plan afoot, but I admit to often overestimating people. It could be that they think we will have fully recovered from this shock to the system by the time the mid terms roll around, I don't know.

But as I always say, nothing illustrates the Dunning-Kruger Effect more vividly than a Trumpster trying to lecture people on economics. And I'm not seeing anything in the way of forethought or planning from our co-Presidents.
 
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skrewey we already know you know nothing about tariffs. Enough is enough.
/----/ skrewey hasn't figured out that he/she/they/them/those/nosepicker can avoid tariffs if they only buy American. Tough concept to grasp.
 
Tariffs on $20.7 billion worth of goods will take effect immediately, while tariffs on the remaining $86.3 billion in U.S. products will begin in 21 days, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said in a statement late Monday. They will remain until the U.S. trade action is withdrawn, he said.

“Because of the tariffs imposed by the U.S., Americans will pay more for groceries, gas and cars, and potentially lose thousands of jobs,” Trudeau said. “Tariffs will disrupt an incredibly successful trading relationship. They will violate the very trade agreement that was negotiated by President Trump in his last term.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average dropped about 800 points, or 1.8%. The S&P 500 fell 2.1% and was set for its worst day of the year. The tech-heavy Nasdaq Composite slid 3%, weighed down by a separate issue affecting Nvidia, which was already down more than 9%.

In Canada, meanwhile, retaliation against U.S. tariffs could also extend to its individual provinces. Ontario Premier Doug Ford told NBC’s “Meet the Press NOW” on Monday that Canada would “respond like they’ve never seen before.”

He said he was prepared to retaliate by cutting off the transmission of electricity from his province to the U.S. as well as shipments of nickel, which “will shut down manufacturing because 50% of the nickel you use is coming out of Ontario.”


It’s Deja vu all over again. He may even beat Hoover this time.
Do you have a crystal ball?
 
The Biden economy that he left for Trump is like what we left the Japs in Hiroshima. There's going to be a lot of work rebuilding everything Democrats fucked up.
Lovely Propaganda...

Low unemployment
Inflation 2.9% (on high side of normal)
Deficit halved from last President...

Here is what real economists say:

This is the Trump playbook... Anything he gets he paints as shit and then when it turns out good, he claims credit...
 
The real question is:

When this turns to shit, how are they going to blame the Democrats?

I am going for, Democrats didn't believe in the Tariffs...
Changed my mind...

No matter what happens, they are going to claim they won, and anyone that says anything else suffers from TDS/Trump hater and thus hates America..
 
/---/ Fear not American-hating libtards. In the event Trump backs down and removes the tariffs, Canada will keep their tariffs on imported US goods they have had for decades.
Global tariff rates in aggregate are barely worth mentioning. A few percent.

 
Global tariff rates in aggregate are barely worth mentioning. A few percent.

/-----/ "The European Union currently imposes a 10% tariff on U.S. car imports, while the U.S. has a lower tariff of 2.5% on European cars. There are ongoing discussions about potentially lowering these tariffs to avoid trade disputes, especially as the U.S. considers imposing higher tariffs on EU imports." - Google assist.
 
/-----/ "The European Union currently imposes a 10% tariff on U.S. car imports, while the U.S. has a lower tariff of 2.5% on European cars. There are ongoing discussions about potentially lowering these tariffs to avoid trade disputes, especially as the U.S. considers imposing higher tariffs on EU imports." - Google assist.
The EU proposed eliminating all tariffs on cars in 2018 but Trump balked because he thought it was unfair since Europe makes better and more expensive cars than us.
 
It’s Deja vu all over again. He may even beat Hoover this time.
Anecdotal only, but the Atlanta Fed has completely reversed its view of the future.

This doesn't happen unless something has quickly and drastically changed recently.

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But as I always say, nothing illustrates the Dunning-Kruger Effect more vividly than a Trumpster trying to lecture people on economics.
Or who Americans should vote for.
 
/-----/ "The European Union currently imposes a 10% tariff on U.S. car imports, while the U.S. has a lower tariff of 2.5% on European cars. There are ongoing discussions about potentially lowering these tariffs to avoid trade disputes, especially as the U.S. considers imposing higher tariffs on EU imports." - Google assist.
What does US have on light trucks? which is a higher seller than Cars?

25%....


By the Way, Europeans are not that into US cars. They find the engine very inefficient, too big for their smaller roads, handling is bad, cheaper made...
Safety standards are quite different... Europe is more about pedestrian/cyclist safety and rollover protection... US is more impact protection..

Quite different cars...

BTW, Europeans look at the Ford F150... IT is rear wheel drive with no weight on the rear wheels... Where is the engineering in that? Madness...

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Tariffs on $20.7 billion worth of goods will take effect immediately, while tariffs on the remaining $86.3 billion in U.S. products will begin in 21 days, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said in a statement late Monday. They will remain until the U.S. trade action is withdrawn, he said.

“Because of the tariffs imposed by the U.S., Americans will pay more for groceries, gas and cars, and potentially lose thousands of jobs,” Trudeau said. “Tariffs will disrupt an incredibly successful trading relationship. They will violate the very trade agreement that was negotiated by President Trump in his last term.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average dropped about 800 points, or 1.8%. The S&P 500 fell 2.1% and was set for its worst day of the year. The tech-heavy Nasdaq Composite slid 3%, weighed down by a separate issue affecting Nvidia, which was already down more than 9%.

In Canada, meanwhile, retaliation against U.S. tariffs could also extend to its individual provinces. Ontario Premier Doug Ford told NBC’s “Meet the Press NOW” on Monday that Canada would “respond like they’ve never seen before.”

He said he was prepared to retaliate by cutting off the transmission of electricity from his province to the U.S. as well as shipments of nickel, which “will shut down manufacturing because 50% of the nickel you use is coming out of Ontario.”


It’s Deja vu all over again. He may even beat Hoover this time.
We'll see who blinks first...Ontario Premier Doug Ford or Donald Trump. The liberals running Canada are on the Canadian people's last nerve at this point. If they get into a fist fight with the US and totally tank their economy they're all going to be voted out of office. Pierre Trudeau is a lame duck who's posturing on his way out the door.
 
How are the Canadians going to blink? They had a free trade agreement with the US already, negotiated by Trump.
How are they not? Their economy is FAR more dependent on trade with the US than the US is dependent on trade with them! Trump is playing hard ball and Pierre Trudeau is playing T ball! Canada has no choice, Zinc. They will blink. Just like Mexico. Just like Columbia.
 
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