Are religions ultimately good or bad?

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People are most conservative on issues that they know most about. --Ann Coulter

Quoting bozo diminishes your credibility.

 

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So...Your arguement is only "nuh-uh." No supporting evidence?

No prob.....


First World War (1914–18): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15 million
Russian Civil War (1917–22): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 million
Soviet Union, Stalin’s regime (1924–53): . . . . . . . . . 20 million
Second World War (1937–45): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 55 million
Chinese Civil War (1945–49): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.5 million
People’s Republic of China, Mao Zedong’s
regime (1949–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 40 million
Tibet (1950 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 600,000
Congo Free State (1886–1908): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 million
Mexico (1910–20): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Turkish massacres of Armenians (1915–23): . . . . . 1.5 million
China (1917–28): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 800,000
China, Nationalist era (1928–37): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.1 million
Korean War (1950–53): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.8 million
North Korea (1948 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 million
Rwanda and Burundi (1959–95): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.35 million
Second Indochina War (1960–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.5 million
Ethiopia (1962–92): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Nigeria (1966–70): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Bangladesh (1971): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.25 million
Cambodia, Khmer Rouge (1975–78): . . . . . . . . . . . 1.65 million
Mozambique (1975–92): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Afghanistan (1979–2001): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.8 million
Iran–Iraq War (1980–88): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Sudan (1983 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.9 million
Kinshasa, Congo (1998 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.8 million
Philippines Insurgency (1899–1902): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 220,000
Brazil (1900 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Amazonia (1900–1912): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250,000
Portuguese colonies (1900–1925): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 325,000
French colonies (1900–1940): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
Japanese War (1904–5): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 130,000
German East Africa (1905–7): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 175,000
Libya (1911–31): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 125,000
Balkan Wars (1912–13): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 140,000
Greco–Turkish War (1919–22): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250,000
Spanish Civil War (1936–39): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 365,000
Franco Regime (1939–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 100,000
Abyssinian Conquest (1935–41): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Finnish War (1939–40): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Greek Civil War (1943–49): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 158,000
Yugoslavia, Tito’s regime (1944–80): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
First Indochina War (1945–54): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Colombia (1946–58): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
India (1947): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Romania (1948–89): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Burma/Myanmar (1948 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 130,000
Algeria (1954–62): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 537,000
Sudan (1955–72): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Guatemala (1960–96): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
Indonesia (1965–66): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Uganda, Idi Amin’s regime (1972–79): . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Vietnam, postwar Communist regime
(1975 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 430,000
Angola (1975–2002): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 550,000
East Timor, conquest by Indonesia (1975–99): . . . . . 200,000
Lebanon (1975–90): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Cambodian Civil War (1978–91): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 225,000
Iraq, Saddam Hussein (1979–2003): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Uganda (1979–86): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Kurdistan (1980s, 1990s): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Liberia (1989–97): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Iraq (1990– ): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 350,000
Bosnia and Herzegovina (1992–95): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 175,000
Somalia (1991 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
David Berlinski, "The Devil's Delusion"



Have you been sufficiently chastised?

Please don't spread the same slander again.

Nope. Looking through your list, none of those had religious elements eh? When Arab Muslims kill each other it's not because of differences in religion (Sunni v Shia?) Some of those were valid, WWI for example. Some were not.

I swear, cons compete to be the most ignorant morons. Polockchic just tried to out stupid Sarah Palins, "I can see Russia from my porch" statement.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Like all things religion can be both good and bad.

It's the same with all human creations and behaviors.

Attempting to paint anything as wholly good or wholly bad is folly.

True.

And, extrapolating from there, if one assumes that one is dealing with the inspired word of God, shouldn't one also be able to presume that any religion based on those inspired words should indeed be 'wholly good'? I mean, if the inspired word of God can't create something that's 'wholly good', what the hell can?

Isn't the admission that any given religion has a flaw also an admission that the religion in question cannot be from God?


Can an example of an unflawed religion be made?


The most popular three religions of our day and age certainly can't lay a claim to perfection... Is not the simple fact of differing sects within a religion is a testimony to inherent flaws within?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Are religions ultimately good or bad?

Both.

 

[PoliticalChic]

So...Your arguement is only "nuh-uh." No supporting evidence?

No prob.....


First World War (1914–18): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15 million
Russian Civil War (1917–22): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 million
Soviet Union, Stalin’s regime (1924–53): . . . . . . . . . 20 million
Second World War (1937–45): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 55 million
Chinese Civil War (1945–49): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.5 million
People’s Republic of China, Mao Zedong’s
regime (1949–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 40 million
Tibet (1950 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 600,000
Congo Free State (1886–1908): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 million
Mexico (1910–20): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Turkish massacres of Armenians (1915–23): . . . . . 1.5 million
China (1917–28): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 800,000
China, Nationalist era (1928–37): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.1 million
Korean War (1950–53): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.8 million
North Korea (1948 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 million
Rwanda and Burundi (1959–95): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.35 million
Second Indochina War (1960–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.5 million
Ethiopia (1962–92): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Nigeria (1966–70): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Bangladesh (1971): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.25 million
Cambodia, Khmer Rouge (1975–78): . . . . . . . . . . . 1.65 million
Mozambique (1975–92): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Afghanistan (1979–2001): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.8 million
Iran–Iraq War (1980–88): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Sudan (1983 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.9 million
Kinshasa, Congo (1998 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.8 million
Philippines Insurgency (1899–1902): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 220,000
Brazil (1900 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Amazonia (1900–1912): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250,000
Portuguese colonies (1900–1925): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 325,000
French colonies (1900–1940): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
Japanese War (1904–5): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 130,000
German East Africa (1905–7): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 175,000
Libya (1911–31): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 125,000
Balkan Wars (1912–13): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 140,000
Greco–Turkish War (1919–22): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250,000
Spanish Civil War (1936–39): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 365,000
Franco Regime (1939–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 100,000
Abyssinian Conquest (1935–41): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Finnish War (1939–40): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Greek Civil War (1943–49): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 158,000
Yugoslavia, Tito’s regime (1944–80): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
First Indochina War (1945–54): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Colombia (1946–58): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
India (1947): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Romania (1948–89): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Burma/Myanmar (1948 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 130,000
Algeria (1954–62): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 537,000
Sudan (1955–72): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Guatemala (1960–96): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
Indonesia (1965–66): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Uganda, Idi Amin’s regime (1972–79): . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Vietnam, postwar Communist regime
(1975 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 430,000
Angola (1975–2002): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 550,000
East Timor, conquest by Indonesia (1975–99): . . . . . 200,000
Lebanon (1975–90): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Cambodian Civil War (1978–91): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 225,000
Iraq, Saddam Hussein (1979–2003): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Uganda (1979–86): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Kurdistan (1980s, 1990s): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Liberia (1989–97): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Iraq (1990– ): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 350,000
Bosnia and Herzegovina (1992–95): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 175,000
Somalia (1991 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
David Berlinski, "The Devil's Delusion"



Have you been sufficiently chastised?

Please don't spread the same slander again.

Nope. Looking through your list, none of those had religious elements eh? When Arab Muslims kill each other it's not because of differences in religion (Sunni v Shia?) Some of those were valid, WWI for example. Some were not.

In the words of the Brown Bomber....'You can run, but you can't hide.'




Glad to be able to add Solzhenitsyn's comparison:

1. Before the Russian Revolution, the number of execution by the czarist government came to seventeen (17) per year, according to Solzhenitsyn. He pointed out that, in comparison, the Spanish Inquisition, at its height, destroyed 10 people per month.

a. But, during the revolutionary years 1918-1919, Lenin's Cheka executed, without trial, more than one thousand (1,000) people a month.

b. At the height of Stalin's terror, 1937-1938, tens of thousands of people were shot per month.
Solzhenitsyn, "Warning To The West."



2. From Solzhenitsyn's "Warning To The West,"... "Here are the figures: 17 a year, 10 a month, more than 1 ,000 a month, more than 40,000 a month! Thus, that which had made it difficult for the democratic West to form an alliance with pre-revolutionary Russia had, by 1941, grown to such an extent and still did not prevent the entire united democracy of the world — England, France, the United States, Canada, and other small countries — from entering into a military alliance with the Soviet Union, How is this to be explained? How can we understand it? " Full text of "Solzhenitsyn: The Voice of Freedom"




That is the comparison from the Soviet communists versus the Inquisition.

History reflects that same pattern of the murders by atheism vs religion.

 

[PoliticalChic]

People are most conservative on issues that they know most about. --Ann Coulter

Quoting bozo diminishes your credibility.

Thank you for reporting what your Leftist masters have programmed you to mutter.

 

[PoliticalChic]

No prob.....


First World War (1914–18): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15 million
Russian Civil War (1917–22): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 million
Soviet Union, Stalin’s regime (1924–53): . . . . . . . . . 20 million
Second World War (1937–45): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 55 million
Chinese Civil War (1945–49): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.5 million
People’s Republic of China, Mao Zedong’s
regime (1949–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 40 million
Tibet (1950 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 600,000
Congo Free State (1886–1908): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 million
Mexico (1910–20): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Turkish massacres of Armenians (1915–23): . . . . . 1.5 million
China (1917–28): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 800,000
China, Nationalist era (1928–37): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.1 million
Korean War (1950–53): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.8 million
North Korea (1948 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 million
Rwanda and Burundi (1959–95): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.35 million
Second Indochina War (1960–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.5 million
Ethiopia (1962–92): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Nigeria (1966–70): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Bangladesh (1971): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.25 million
Cambodia, Khmer Rouge (1975–78): . . . . . . . . . . . 1.65 million
Mozambique (1975–92): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Afghanistan (1979–2001): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.8 million
Iran–Iraq War (1980–88): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Sudan (1983 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.9 million
Kinshasa, Congo (1998 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.8 million
Philippines Insurgency (1899–1902): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 220,000
Brazil (1900 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Amazonia (1900–1912): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250,000
Portuguese colonies (1900–1925): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 325,000
French colonies (1900–1940): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
Japanese War (1904–5): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 130,000
German East Africa (1905–7): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 175,000
Libya (1911–31): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 125,000
Balkan Wars (1912–13): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 140,000
Greco–Turkish War (1919–22): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250,000
Spanish Civil War (1936–39): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 365,000
Franco Regime (1939–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 100,000
Abyssinian Conquest (1935–41): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Finnish War (1939–40): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Greek Civil War (1943–49): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 158,000
Yugoslavia, Tito’s regime (1944–80): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
First Indochina War (1945–54): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Colombia (1946–58): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
India (1947): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Romania (1948–89): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Burma/Myanmar (1948 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 130,000
Algeria (1954–62): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 537,000
Sudan (1955–72): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Guatemala (1960–96): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
Indonesia (1965–66): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Uganda, Idi Amin’s regime (1972–79): . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Vietnam, postwar Communist regime
(1975 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 430,000
Angola (1975–2002): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 550,000
East Timor, conquest by Indonesia (1975–99): . . . . . 200,000
Lebanon (1975–90): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Cambodian Civil War (1978–91): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 225,000
Iraq, Saddam Hussein (1979–2003): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Uganda (1979–86): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Kurdistan (1980s, 1990s): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Liberia (1989–97): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Iraq (1990– ): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 350,000
Bosnia and Herzegovina (1992–95): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 175,000
Somalia (1991 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
David Berlinski, "The Devil's Delusion"



Have you been sufficiently chastised?

Please don't spread the same slander again.

Nope. Looking through your list, none of those had religious elements eh? When Arab Muslims kill each other it's not because of differences in religion (Sunni v Shia?) Some of those were valid, WWI for example. Some were not.

I swear, cons compete to be the most ignorant morons. Polockchic just tried to out stupid Sarah Palins, "I can see Russia from my porch" statement.

…countered these mountains of hard facts with a big helping of the usual supercilious sneering. …a mountain of unassailable empirical data…leaving you with nothing but "oh, yeah...that's what you think!"

Brilliant....just brilliant.

What better proof of your having attended a government school!




To call you stupid would be an insult to stupid people! I’ve known sheep that could outwit you. I’ve worn dresses with higher IQs.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

No prob.....


First World War (1914–18): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15 million
Russian Civil War (1917–22): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 million
Soviet Union, Stalin’s regime (1924–53): . . . . . . . . . 20 million
Second World War (1937–45): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 55 million
Chinese Civil War (1945–49): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.5 million
People’s Republic of China, Mao Zedong’s
regime (1949–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 40 million
Tibet (1950 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 600,000
Congo Free State (1886–1908): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 million
Mexico (1910–20): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Turkish massacres of Armenians (1915–23): . . . . . 1.5 million
China (1917–28): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 800,000
China, Nationalist era (1928–37): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.1 million
Korean War (1950–53): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.8 million
North Korea (1948 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 million
Rwanda and Burundi (1959–95): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.35 million
Second Indochina War (1960–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.5 million
Ethiopia (1962–92): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Nigeria (1966–70): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Bangladesh (1971): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.25 million
Cambodia, Khmer Rouge (1975–78): . . . . . . . . . . . 1.65 million
Mozambique (1975–92): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Afghanistan (1979–2001): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.8 million
Iran–Iraq War (1980–88): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Sudan (1983 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.9 million
Kinshasa, Congo (1998 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.8 million
Philippines Insurgency (1899–1902): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 220,000
Brazil (1900 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Amazonia (1900–1912): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250,000
Portuguese colonies (1900–1925): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 325,000
French colonies (1900–1940): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
Japanese War (1904–5): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 130,000
German East Africa (1905–7): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 175,000
Libya (1911–31): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 125,000
Balkan Wars (1912–13): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 140,000
Greco–Turkish War (1919–22): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250,000
Spanish Civil War (1936–39): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 365,000
Franco Regime (1939–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 100,000
Abyssinian Conquest (1935–41): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Finnish War (1939–40): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Greek Civil War (1943–49): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 158,000
Yugoslavia, Tito’s regime (1944–80): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
First Indochina War (1945–54): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Colombia (1946–58): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
India (1947): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Romania (1948–89): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Burma/Myanmar (1948 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 130,000
Algeria (1954–62): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 537,000
Sudan (1955–72): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Guatemala (1960–96): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
Indonesia (1965–66): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Uganda, Idi Amin’s regime (1972–79): . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Vietnam, postwar Communist regime
(1975 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 430,000
Angola (1975–2002): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 550,000
East Timor, conquest by Indonesia (1975–99): . . . . . 200,000
Lebanon (1975–90): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Cambodian Civil War (1978–91): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 225,000
Iraq, Saddam Hussein (1979–2003): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Uganda (1979–86): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Kurdistan (1980s, 1990s): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Liberia (1989–97): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Iraq (1990– ): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 350,000
Bosnia and Herzegovina (1992–95): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 175,000
Somalia (1991 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
David Berlinski, "The Devil's Delusion"



Have you been sufficiently chastised?

Please don't spread the same slander again.

Nope. Looking through your list, none of those had religious elements eh? When Arab Muslims kill each other it's not because of differences in religion (Sunni v Shia?) Some of those were valid, WWI for example. Some were not.

In the words of the Brown Bomber....'You can run, but you can't hide.'




Glad to be able to add Solzhenitsyn's comparison:

1. Before the Russian Revolution, the number of execution by the czarist government came to seventeen (17) per year, according to Solzhenitsyn. He pointed out that, in comparison, the Spanish Inquisition, at its height, destroyed 10 people per month.

a. But, during the revolutionary years 1918-1919, Lenin's Cheka executed, without trial, more than one thousand (1,000) people a month.

b. At the height of Stalin's terror, 1937-1938, tens of thousands of people were shot per month.
Solzhenitsyn, "Warning To The West."



2. From Solzhenitsyn's "Warning To The West,"... "Here are the figures: 17 a year, 10 a month, more than 1 ,000 a month, more than 40,000 a month! Thus, that which had made it difficult for the democratic West to form an alliance with pre-revolutionary Russia had, by 1941, grown to such an extent and still did not prevent the entire united democracy of the world — England, France, the United States, Canada, and other small countries — from entering into a military alliance with the Soviet Union, How is this to be explained? How can we understand it? " Full text of "Solzhenitsyn: The Voice of Freedom"




That is the comparison from the Soviet communists versus the Inquisition.

History reflects that same pattern of the murders by atheism vs religion.

Way to dodge the question by dumping more text. Unfortunately, I'm not a lefty-lucy or righty-tighty or whatever. I'm like lady justice, blind-folded with a scales. A true moderate. Describing myself as liberal is not in the political sense. So maybe burying others with text scares them off and that's what you're used to so thought it'd work on me.

"Don't try your powers on me. Try looking into that plac eyou dare not look, you'll find me there staring back at you." - "Dune"

 

[PoliticalChic]

Nope. Looking through your list, none of those had religious elements eh? When Arab Muslims kill each other it's not because of differences in religion (Sunni v Shia?) Some of those were valid, WWI for example. Some were not.

In the words of the Brown Bomber....'You can run, but you can't hide.'




Glad to be able to add Solzhenitsyn's comparison:

1. Before the Russian Revolution, the number of execution by the czarist government came to seventeen (17) per year, according to Solzhenitsyn. He pointed out that, in comparison, the Spanish Inquisition, at its height, destroyed 10 people per month.

a. But, during the revolutionary years 1918-1919, Lenin's Cheka executed, without trial, more than one thousand (1,000) people a month.

b. At the height of Stalin's terror, 1937-1938, tens of thousands of people were shot per month.
Solzhenitsyn, "Warning To The West."



2. From Solzhenitsyn's "Warning To The West,"... "Here are the figures: 17 a year, 10 a month, more than 1 ,000 a month, more than 40,000 a month! Thus, that which had made it difficult for the democratic West to form an alliance with pre-revolutionary Russia had, by 1941, grown to such an extent and still did not prevent the entire united democracy of the world — England, France, the United States, Canada, and other small countries — from entering into a military alliance with the Soviet Union, How is this to be explained? How can we understand it? " Full text of "Solzhenitsyn: The Voice of Freedom"




That is the comparison from the Soviet communists versus the Inquisition.

History reflects that same pattern of the murders by atheism vs religion.

Way to dodge the question by dumping more text. Unfortunately, I'm not a lefty-lucy or righty-tighty or whatever. I'm like lady justice, blind-folded with a scales. A true moderate. Describing myself as liberal is not in the political sense. So maybe burying others with text scares them off and that's what you're used to so thought it'd work on me.

"Don't try your powers on me. Try looking into that plac eyou dare not look, you'll find me there staring back at you." - "Dune"

Diaphanous attempt to ignore the facts....and those were facts that I provided.

You can call yourself what ever you wish.

And I'll decided what I wish to call you based on behavior such as this.



My turn to quote?

In his 1855 book "Table Talk", John Doran recounts the story of a curate at Basse Bretagne, noted for his wit, who found that his duty at the confessional interfered with a number of invitations to dine. Seeking to indulge his stomach, the curate declared from the pulpit:
“In order to avoid confusion, my brethren, I have to announce that tomorrow, Monday, I will receive at confession the liars only; on Tuesday, the misers; on Wednesday, the slanderers; on Thursday, the thieves; Friday, the libertines; and Saturday, the women of evil life.”

Looks like you can pick Monday, or Wednesday.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

In the words of the Brown Bomber....'You can run, but you can't hide.'




Glad to be able to add Solzhenitsyn's comparison:

1. Before the Russian Revolution, the number of execution by the czarist government came to seventeen (17) per year, according to Solzhenitsyn. He pointed out that, in comparison, the Spanish Inquisition, at its height, destroyed 10 people per month.

a. But, during the revolutionary years 1918-1919, Lenin's Cheka executed, without trial, more than one thousand (1,000) people a month.

b. At the height of Stalin's terror, 1937-1938, tens of thousands of people were shot per month.
Solzhenitsyn, "Warning To The West."



2. From Solzhenitsyn's "Warning To The West,"... "Here are the figures: 17 a year, 10 a month, more than 1 ,000 a month, more than 40,000 a month! Thus, that which had made it difficult for the democratic West to form an alliance with pre-revolutionary Russia had, by 1941, grown to such an extent and still did not prevent the entire united democracy of the world — England, France, the United States, Canada, and other small countries — from entering into a military alliance with the Soviet Union, How is this to be explained? How can we understand it? " Full text of "Solzhenitsyn: The Voice of Freedom"




That is the comparison from the Soviet communists versus the Inquisition.

History reflects that same pattern of the murders by atheism vs religion.

Way to dodge the question by dumping more text. Unfortunately, I'm not a lefty-lucy or righty-tighty or whatever. I'm like lady justice, blind-folded with a scales. A true moderate. Describing myself as liberal is not in the political sense. So maybe burying others with text scares them off and that's what you're used to so thought it'd work on me.

"Don't try your powers on me. Try looking into that plac eyou dare not look, you'll find me there staring back at you." - "Dune"

Diaphanous attempt to ignore the facts....and those were facts that I provided.

You can call yourself what ever you wish.

And I'll decided what I wish to call you based on behavior such as this.



My turn to quote?

In his 1855 book "Table Talk", John Doran recounts the story of a curate at Basse Bretagne, noted for his wit, who found that his duty at the confessional interfered with a number of invitations to dine. Seeking to indulge his stomach, the curate declared from the pulpit:
“In order to avoid confusion, my brethren, I have to announce that tomorrow, Monday, I will receive at confession the liars only; on Tuesday, the misers; on Wednesday, the slanderers; on Thursday, the thieves; Friday, the libertines; and Saturday, the women of evil life.”

Looks like you can pick Monday, or Wednesday.

Still ignoring my rebuttal. You cited various wars throughout history to substantiate your claim religions aren't worse than atheist conflicts. I pointed out some of those wars you cited had religious elements thus disqualifying them. Some were qualified.

I'm not gonna jump down into the mud to play grab-ass with you like you seem to be used to insulting people. If you can back up you original assertion I'll review it. But changing the thread introducing new elements doesn't work around here.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Way to dodge the question by dumping more text. Unfortunately, I'm not a lefty-lucy or righty-tighty or whatever. I'm like lady justice, blind-folded with a scales. A true moderate. Describing myself as liberal is not in the political sense. So maybe burying others with text scares them off and that's what you're used to so thought it'd work on me.

"Don't try your powers on me. Try looking into that plac eyou dare not look, you'll find me there staring back at you." - "Dune"

Diaphanous attempt to ignore the facts....and those were facts that I provided.

You can call yourself what ever you wish.

And I'll decided what I wish to call you based on behavior such as this.



My turn to quote?

In his 1855 book "Table Talk", John Doran recounts the story of a curate at Basse Bretagne, noted for his wit, who found that his duty at the confessional interfered with a number of invitations to dine. Seeking to indulge his stomach, the curate declared from the pulpit:
“In order to avoid confusion, my brethren, I have to announce that tomorrow, Monday, I will receive at confession the liars only; on Tuesday, the misers; on Wednesday, the slanderers; on Thursday, the thieves; Friday, the libertines; and Saturday, the women of evil life.”

Looks like you can pick Monday, or Wednesday.

Still ignoring my rebuttal. You cited various wars throughout history to substantiate your claim religions aren't worse than atheist conflicts. I pointed out some of those wars you cited had religious elements thus disqualifying them. Some were qualified.

I'm not gonna jump down into the mud to play grab-ass with you like you seem to be used to insulting people. If you can back up you original assertion I'll review it. But changing the thread introducing new elements doesn't work around here.

I only insult folks who deserve being insulted.


And, in that connection, you appear to me to be one who would sell your car to buy gas.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Whatever. I see you can't defend your position at all. I win, you lose, 'twas ever thus.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Whatever. I see you can't defend your position at all. I win, you lose, 'twas ever thus.

There's no award for 'Stupid.' Stop competing.

Dunce.

If the math is beyond you, get out your calculator....clearly non-religion is responsible for far more murders than religion.

You may continue to believe as you wish...but you'll continue to be wrong.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Ultimately, does Delat4Embassy know how to think?

Was thinking about this last night watching the various news channels. And the thought occured 'if all religions are teaching us how to be good, but they're all ultimately lies, is the fact they're lies overriding their messages of being good?' Since it's beyond dispute nothing caused more war and strife than disagreements over religion, is it redeemable that they're teaching goodness, if the balance of religion is mired in blood and bigotry? If gods exist, but refuse to prove it, or do anything overt and undeniable, should they even be worshipped as gods? Like the children's tv show, "Pirate Who Don't Do Anything" I figure if a deity never does anything, is it still a deity? Is it still worthy of being worshipped?

Beyond dispute? Seriously?

Are you aware that historians have disputed that for years, and that the mythical consensus is that religion is rarely the cause of a dispute?

Didn't think so.

There's more reason to worship the Sun as a deity than any anthropomorphic being who never does anything. Whether you believe in the Sun as a deity or not, if you lie out naked and exposed to it all day during summer you'll become convinced it's real when it burns your skin. And surely we're all the products of stars going nova and forming the atoms which make up our bodies "creating" us. And surely without the Sun there could be no life here on Earth. Compare this to any deity wit an extant religion woven around it and they all come up short on the empirical side of things.

It is entirely possible to lay out in the sun all day in the summer and not be affected. Does that make you wrong, or just stupid?

So while our religions teach us to be good, the plethora of versions (some 25,000 distinct religions to date and many more denominations within each) cause so much hate and violence are they really worth clinging to in the 21st century? They may have been good ideas when they were founded, and before large scale governments came to be imposing laws onto those they governed, but if all they do now is cause misery and fear, why are we keeping them around?

Since you said it is beyond dispute that religions cause wars, you should be able to point to all the wars that exist in the US because people are forced to live in the same neighborhood as people of other religions. If that is too hard for you, perhaps you can show me where it is happening in Europe. Would it help if I point out that Germany actually engaged in systemic religious persecution in the last century, or would it make it harder because that persecution had nothing to do with the religion of the people who promoted it?

Secular humanism teaches everything the Abramic faiths do minus the need for an unproveable deity who never does anything.

Two questions:

1. What makes you think it is impossible to prove the existence of a deity?
2. What the fuck is an Abramic faith?

Humanist Manifesto III

If any one 'religion' could unite the entire world, surely one that doesn't claim to be the only true one would be it. I think that that's humanism.

If any religion could actually unite the world it would have to be one that could unite people of different backgrounds and cultures with a common goal and no internal conflict. Since Secular Humanism is split into factions that argue about what is, and is not, part of their belief system, it is demonstrably not capable of uniting even its own followers, much less those of different beliefs.

That brings us back to the question I started this post with.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Was thinking about this last night watching the various news channels. And the thought occured 'if all religions are teaching us how to be good, but they're all ultimately lies, is the fact they're lies overriding their messages of being good?' Since it's beyond dispute nothing caused more war and strife than disagreements over religion,

Jesus said to Nicodemas, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

This is what separates the gospel from religion.

Religion is man's effort to reach up to God; but Christianity is God reaching Man.
In his heart man knows there is a God. That is why there are so many religions in the world, because man has invented so many to account for the knowledge that is in him.
Salvation is God coming down to man and making him a new creation (2 Cor. 5:17).
Not religion, but relationship.

2 Peter 3:17-18, Growing in Grace | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

Religion means to re-link to God but you can't re-link because:

Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

There is nothing you can do because God won't hear. You have to let Jesus come down to you and you have to accept His gift of eternal life.

Before saying something in the NT is counterindicated because of something in the OT, it's important to realize they're two mutually exclusive religions seperated by centuries in their authorship. The Bible should include only the NT. Adding the OT is like if Islam added the NT to their Qur'an. Not only is it offensive, but it's obviously not going to make any sense.

Before exposing your absolute ignorance on religion it is best if you learn to think.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Was thinking about this last night watching the various news channels. And the thought occured 'if all religions are teaching us how to be good, but they're all ultimately lies, is the fact they're lies overriding their messages of being good?' Since it's beyond dispute nothing caused more war and strife than disagreements over religion, is it redeemable that they're teaching goodness, if the balance of religion is mired in blood and bigotry? If gods exist, but refuse to prove it, or do anything overt and undeniable, should they even be worshipped as gods? Like the children's tv show, "Pirate Who Don't Do Anything" I figure if a deity never does anything, is it still a deity? Is it still worthy of being worshipped?

There's more reason to worship the Sun as a deity than any anthropomorphic being who never does anything. Whether you believe in the Sun as a deity or not, if you lie out naked and exposed to it all day during summer you'll become convinced it's real when it burns your skin. And surely we're all the products of stars going nova and forming the atoms which make up our bodies "creating" us. And surely without the Sun there could be no life here on Earth. Compare this to any deity wit an extant religion woven around it and they all come up short on the empirical side of things.

So while our religions teach us to be good, the plethora of versions (some 25,000 distinct religions to date and many more denominations within each) cause so much hate and violence are they really worth clinging to in the 21st century? They may have been good ideas when they were founded, and before large scale governments came to be imposing laws onto those they governed, but if all they do now is cause misery and fear, why are we keeping them around?

Secular humanism teaches everything the Abramic faiths do minus the need for an unproveable deity who never does anything.

Humanist Manifesto III

If any one 'religion' could unite the entire world, surely one that doesn't claim to be the only true one would be it. I think that that's humanism.

" Since it's beyond dispute nothing caused more war and strife than disagreements over religion,.."


Absolutely false.

So...Your arguement is only "nuh-uh." No supporting evidence?

I am sorry, did you provide any evidence to support your absolute statement that it is beyond dispute? You do understand that all anyone has to do to prove you wrong is provide a single example of someone disputing your assertion, don't you? At this point I personally have seen it disputed by both PoliticalChic and myself, which is evidence in and of itself that it is not beyond dispute.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Would say believing He made a difference, and empiricly doing so is the difference. Regardless of what you believe about the Sun, it'll burn you if you lie out exposed to it. Whereas religions proper are all basicly a placebo-effect. If you believe, things can happen. But the Sun's effects happen regardless of what you might believe.

Ever hear of Nicky Cruz? The guy was a gang member and addict, and claims that God changed his life. The empirical evidence for that is that he went from being a gang member and addict to a preacher. I can, quite literally, provide you with thousands of examples of people who claim God changed their lives and give you the empircal evidence of that change with what happened after that point. You can ignore that all you want, and claim that it isn't real, but it would mean that you have to chose to deny your own manifesto which says that nature is real.

 

[hangover]

People are most conservative on issues that they know most about. --Ann Coulter

Quoting bozo diminishes your credibility.

Thank you for reporting what your Leftist masters have programmed you to mutter.

Independents like me don't have masters. But keep showing your ignorance, it's fun to watch.

There's no award for 'Stupid.' Stop competing.

Yes there is, you won the trophy. We all agree.

It is entirely possible to lay out in the sun all day in the summer and not be affected. Does that make you wrong, or just stupid?

Oops, sorry polockchic, looks like the windbag wants to compete for the trophy.

 

[hangover]

Since you said it is beyond dispute that religions cause wars, you should be able to point to all the wars that exist in the US because people are forced to live in the same neighborhood as people of other religions.

This is some serious competition. We may have to take that trophy from you chic.

 

[Chuckt]

Was thinking about this last night watching the various news channels. And the thought occured 'if all religions are teaching us how to be good, but they're all ultimately lies, is the fact they're lies overriding their messages of being good?'

They are basically heresies.

Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Galatians 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Revelation 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.