Are Private Schools Immoral?

[Carl in Michigan]

Thanks for doing the dirty work so I don't have to.

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You mean aside from the fact that you haven't figured out how to click on a link.

No, I don't like to pollute my virgin brain with impure leftist "thought."

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

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I haven't seen any indications by the replies here, that anyone actually read the entire interview with Nikole Hannah-Jones, a far-left, investigative reporter. Personally, I don't agree with her loony opinions but she is popular with the far left.

Not true. I read the article and summed up the way it related to the OP's question pretty succinctly, by my own estimation. The main theme was that, even though we passed laws against active racial segregation in schools, the choices of individuals have yielded a schooling system wherein the segregation still exists, and that liberals with kids in private schools are hypocritical because the advantage their child gains comes, according to her, at the expense of other children.

Essentially, letting people choose what's best for their children is immoral because they can't be relied upon to choose what the progressives want.

 

[Windparadox]

No, I don't like to pollute my virgin brain with impure leftist "thought."

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No doubt. Just so you know, clicking on links which contain knowledge will not cause the devil to ruin your life, it will not cause evil spirits to invade your soul and you will not lose your place in line during the Rapture.

 

[Windparadox]

Not true. I read the article and summed up the way it related to the OP's question pretty succinctly, by my own estimation. The main theme was that, even though we passed laws against active racial segregation in schools, the choices of individuals have yielded a schooling system wherein the segregation still exists, and that liberals with kids in private schools are hypocritical because the advantage their child gains comes, according to her, at the expense of other children.Essentially, letting people choose what's best for their children is immoral because they can't be relied upon to choose what the progressives want.

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It sounds to me you are already part of the far left. My opinion still stands. My apologies.

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

Not true. I read the article and summed up the way it related to the OP's question pretty succinctly, by my own estimation. The main theme was that, even though we passed laws against active racial segregation in schools, the choices of individuals have yielded a schooling system wherein the segregation still exists, and that liberals with kids in private schools are hypocritical because the advantage their child gains comes, according to her, at the expense of other children.Essentially, letting people choose what's best for their children is immoral because they can't be relied upon to choose what the progressives want.

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It sounds to me you are already part of the far left. My opinion still stands. My apologies.

Part of the far left? What about being anti-progressive and pro school choice makes me far left, exactly?

 

[Windparadox]

Part of the far left? What about being anti-progressive and pro school choice makes me far left, exactly?

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You stated it yourself. Far left and far right ideology serves to keep people apart, not bring them together. They exist on conflict. You believe in the ideology. That makes you far left, semantically at least, in my book.

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

Part of the far left? What about being anti-progressive and pro school choice makes me far left, exactly?

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You stated it yourself. Far left and far right ideology serves to keep people apart, not bring them together. They exist on conflict. You believe in the ideology. That makes you far left, semantically at least, in my book.

I'm still confused. What ideology do I believe in? Near as I can tell, the only ideology I've presented a viewpoint on lately is progressivism, and only to say that I'm not a fan.

 

[Esmeralda]

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I haven't seen any indications by the replies here, that anyone actually read the entire interview with Nikole Hannah-Jones, a far-left, investigative reporter. Personally, I don't agree with her loony opinions but she is popular with the far left.

It also seems that most of the posters on this thread know little to nothing about education.

 

[Windparadox]

I'm still confused. What ideology do I believe in? Near as I can tell, the only ideology I've presented a viewpoint on lately is progressivism, and only to say that I'm not a fan.

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I agree. You are confused.

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

I'm still confused. What ideology do I believe in? Near as I can tell, the only ideology I've presented a viewpoint on lately is progressivism, and only to say that I'm not a fan.

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I agree. You are confused.

I'm asking where you're getting this opinion because I'm actually a right leaning libertarian, and I'm anti-ideology in general. Methinks I'm only confused because you're talking out of your ass.

 

[GHook93]

Are Private Schools Immoral?

Public schools in gentrifying neighborhoods seem on the cusp of becoming truly diverse, as historically underserved neighborhoods fill up with younger, whiter families. But the schools remain stubbornly segregated. Nikole Hannah-Jones has chronicled this phenomenon around the country, and seen it firsthand in her neighborhood in Brooklyn.

“White communities want neighborhood schools if their neighborhood school is white,” she says. “If their neighborhood school is black, they want choice.” Charter schools and magnet schools spring up in place of neighborhood schools, where white students can be in the majority. We have a system where white people control the outcomes, and the outcome that most white Americans want is segregation,” she says.

(snip)

“If one were to believe that having people who are different from you makes you smarter, that you engage in a higher level of thinking, that you solve problems better, there are higher-level ways that integration is good for white folks,” Jones says.

For black children, the benefits of attending an integrated school are much more drastic. “It’s literally, will you receive a quality education or not? Will you be a full citizen in the country of your birth?”

Are Private Schools Immoral?

Excellent interview and a lot to chew on.

It must suck to be you. I doubt you have achieved anything in your life. Many inhabitants of Charter schools are Black kids. The reason for private schools is because the DEMOCRATS refuse to allow school choice so if a child whose parents can afford a good private school and not have them go to a bad and dangerous public school then they do it.

Word to stupid liberal, white kids can survive in an all or majority black school. It is the god’s honest truth. Not to mention the worst and most dangerous schools are always the black schools. Not because of funding, but because of the black students themselves.

No private schools are not immoral. To the contrary, how could an organization be immoral that provides a quality education in a safe environment to children?


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[Carl in Michigan]

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No doubt. Just so you know, clicking on links which contain knowledge will not cause the devil to ruin your life, it will not cause evil spirits to invade your soul and you will not lose your place in line during the Rapture.

Liberal philosophy, being a mental disorder, lacks knowledge. That's where you begin down the wrong path.

 

[jasonnfree]

I once asked my Niece who used to teach in public schools, if unions had any say so about curriculum, she said no, they were about pension, pay and other issues like that. Unions have influence in job protection and no, it's not impossible to fire a teacher except there are probably some places where this has occurred, but it's not the norm.

 

[jasonnfree]

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No doubt. Just so you know, clicking on links which contain knowledge will not cause the devil to ruin your life, it will not cause evil spirits to invade your soul and you will not lose your place in line during the Rapture.

Liberal philosophy, being a mental disorder, lacks knowledge. That's where you begin down the wrong path.

Liberalism is a mental disorder...hmmm let's see. Yep, another student of Dr. Michael Savage, whom I believe has mental issues himself.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Public education is immoral. Kids get progressively less informed because the Democrat Party, which runs public education, needs a permanent, government dependent underclass

Please explain how the Democrats run education with Republican governors, Republicans in control of the state houses, and Republicans sitting on the state and local school boards.

Want to try that one on for size?

Teachers unions are VERY Democrat control and it just so happens the direct socialist narrative and instructions come from them.

OK, explain states where there are NO TEACHER'S UNIONS.

Oops! That explosion you just heard was your theory blowing up in your face!

 

[Two Thumbs]

Are Private Schools Immoral?

Public schools in gentrifying neighborhoods seem on the cusp of becoming truly diverse, as historically underserved neighborhoods fill up with younger, whiter families. But the schools remain stubbornly segregated. Nikole Hannah-Jones has chronicled this phenomenon around the country, and seen it firsthand in her neighborhood in Brooklyn.

“White communities want neighborhood schools if their neighborhood school is white,” she says. “If their neighborhood school is black, they want choice.” Charter schools and magnet schools spring up in place of neighborhood schools, where white students can be in the majority. We have a system where white people control the outcomes, and the outcome that most white Americans want is segregation,” she says.

(snip)

“If one were to believe that having people who are different from you makes you smarter, that you engage in a higher level of thinking, that you solve problems better, there are higher-level ways that integration is good for white folks,” Jones says.

For black children, the benefits of attending an integrated school are much more drastic. “It’s literally, will you receive a quality education or not? Will you be a full citizen in the country of your birth?”

Are Private Schools Immoral?

Excellent interview and a lot to chew on.

How far down the IQ chain do you need to be to even think that private schools are immoral?


Anyone and everyone that can afford a private school for their kids, would send them. It would be foolish not to.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I once asked my Niece who used to teach in public schools, if unions had any say so about curriculum, she said no, they were about pension, pay and other issues like that. Unions have influence in job protection and no, it's not impossible to fire a teacher except there are probably some places where this has occurred, but it's not the norm.

Your comments are dead on with one exception. Teacher tenure, which everyone bitches about but does not understand, is the problem.

Firing a teacher is easy if they are doing a poor job. The problem is that what most people see as doing a poor job is exactly the kind of teacher that school administrators want these days.

Let me explain how tenure is a double-edged sword.

In my first job, I taught for 8 and 1/2 years and attained tenure status. I then became an administrator and my boss did not like the fact that I was a threat to her job, so she did not renew my contract and hired her close friend in my place. I was already in training for a principal position with the school district at the time.

In my next job, they were having fewer students the next year and I was the building union rep. Gone. Ex-military officer/administrator qualified in a Department of Defense school and union rep. You do the math.

I went to work in a public middle school and the district budget was slashed. Gone. last hired, first let go.

Moved to an inner city all-boys middle school which was ranked the worst in the state. Taught there three years. The last year, students were physically assaulting each other in my classroom, and when I stopped them, I got an ass-chewing from the principal. Gone. I was leaving anyway.

Spent 1/2 a year replacing a teacher fired for sexual misconduct with a student. Outstanding evaluation, but since I only taught a half-year, I was not eligible for rehire in that position.

Took another job at a school closer to home, and spent 4 years there. I loved every minute of it and received outstanding evaluations. Up for tenure on day one of year 5, so they let me go after 4 years, no reason required, so I was up the creek without a paddle. Gone.

Last year, any teacher without tenure is automatically not renewed. They found someone cheaper. Gone.

This year, districts looked at my series of non-renewals and justified that as a reason not to hire me. Took a long term substitute position. I taught first 25 days of school for reduced pay. When they had to pay me my regular salary. I had to turn in my ID badge and keys. No reason was given. Principal banned me from working at the school despite my having done nothing wrong. He didn't want students asking questions as to why I suddenly left.

That's the side of tenure that none of the public gets to see. It sucks if you are on the wrong side of the barrier.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Only to those who are against kids getting better education. Private-schoolers and Home-schoolers consistently score higher in tests. That's not surprising, as the government can't do anything right.

Here we have another statistically-challenged individual commenting on education.

Where is she wrong? Hint: she's not.

Using stats the way they're used, I can prove that chimpanzees are smarter than most liberals. You test all liberals, no matter how stupid they are, (but I repeat myself) and only test the very smartest chimpanzees who really want to take the test. It is called self-selection bias, and renders any comparison unreliable.

Test every public school student, and test every private school student on the exact same test and you will get results that say private school students who want to go to college and have greater parent involvement will always do better than all of the public school students.

Unfortunately, that doesn't mean diddly squat.

 

[Muhammed]

Private schools are in no way immoral.

Actually, in some areas it is immoral to send your kid to a public school if you have a choice. And not only because they will not receive a good education in a public school. Many public schools are extremely dangerous.

I also disagree with the premise that segregated schools are somehow immoral.