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Life is a guaranteed right.I think life is the very backbone - the foundation of all other rights.I think that every single person uses health care.
It was ruled like a tax in this way, as taxes are justified b.c. everyone benefits from that which they pay for - National Defense, for instance. Police and Fire Rescue, for instance.
Everyone benefits, so everyone (as scaled by the ugly progressive tax system) pays. That is its justification, as with having health insurance, yes insurance, the cost of care for the uninsured was so vast that when the uninsured cant pay, costs plow upward for EVERYone (for care AND insurance).
To me the mandate is justified by this. EVERYone has skin in the game, i.e. WILL use health care. Its as basic as the very right to life, especially at this point in science and history.
Health care is as important if not MORE important than National Defense.
Just because the founders werent bright enough at the time to realize this doesnt mean its unAmerican. We progress. They some of them thought slavery was completely kosher, too. So yea, they missed some shit and were lacking.
G.T. - I'm curious about this idea that healthcare is a right because it's a necessity. Would you say all of life's necessities are rights?
But this isnt a discussion of guaranteed rights, its a discussion of government responsibility.
Ahh.... well, in my view, the responsibility of government is protecting our guaranteed rights. I assume you see it differently.
Your life is like a million more times likely to be taken by a health issue than a murder.
Im talking about using our brains here, thats all.
Yes but unlike murder which is a crime, it is not a crime to run up health care costs from addictive smoking drinking and now pot use. Since we cant have govt regulate all the private choices that can affect health, why should hardworking citizens who take responsibilty get punished by losing rights liberty and income to pay for ppl who didnt watch their costs or who smoked pot till they lost their ability to work.
If we separate by party, then members who believe in spiritual healing to reduce incidence and costs of crime, abuse, addiction, mental or physical illness can require that for people they pay fir under their prolife programs.
While ppl who want freedom to gamble with drugs or wild sex etc. Can be required to pay the mandated insurance and gamble that way.
People want free choice in different areas. So dont mix the two together and they cant complain about how the other half operates, just pay for the system they agree to. And let citizens choose either path that fits with their beliefs so nobodys gets violated or imposed on by govt.
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