Are Democrats tired of the fight or are they coming around?

[Foxfyre]

Nope. It was a riot. They had already busted through the outer permittee of police and smashed through barriers to reach the Capitol grounds where the police were backed up behind additional barriers that the rioters were pushing against.

They fired nonlethal rounds against them because it was a riot.

I'm sure you want to believe that. The reality via video supports my version though.

Now would you care to participate in the discussion in the OP or are you determined to make this yet another J6 thread?

 

[Marener]

I'm sure you want to believe that. The reality via video supports my version though.

Now would you care to participate in the discussion in the OP or are you determined to make this yet another J6 thread?

Reality supports my version. You’re running on narrative.

As for the OP, there’s nothing to fight. Trump hasn’t done anything except say he will nominate a lot of losers to important positions. We already tore down one of them. More to follow.

Of course maybe they’re just tired. It’s not like anything we say has any effect on the MAGA cult they’ve made themselves insulated from any outside voices.

 

[Foxfyre]

Reality supports my version. You’re running on narrative.

As for the OP, there’s nothing to fight. Trump hasn’t done anything except say he will nominate a lot of losers to important positions. We already tore down one of them. More to follow.

Of course maybe they’re just tired. It’s not like anything we say has any effect on the MAGA cult they’ve made themselves insulated from any outside voices.

I run on the verifiable evidence and not on assigned talking points issued by anybody.

What specific policy suggested by Trump and/or anyone on his team do you consider to be a losing policy proposed by a loser?

How you answer that question will be enlightening as to who has insulated himself/herself from any outside voices.

 

[LuckyDuck01!]

This essay suggests Democrats are still just as anti-Trump, anti-MAGA as ever but are just weary of fighting the battle. They're tired. And that's why they aren't as loud and noisy as they were in 2016. They are already speculating that the planned D.C. demonstration opposing Trump's inauguration next month won't be anywhere nearly as well attended as it was in 2017.

‘We’re still in this fight’: the resistance to Trump considers its options after bruising election defeat​

Demoralized but unbowed, the opposition ponders its next move as Trump prepares to re-enter the White House

www.theguardian.com

But I wonder.

Is it possible at least some in the TDS crowd, some who have been diehard Democrat supporters, are wishing their party proposed real solutions to problems and issues important to people as the MAGA agenda does?

Is it possible at least some never Trumpers are wishing their party had the positive enthusiasm and real joy in an agenda that is good for America and Americans?

Is it possible that at least some of the hardcore anti-Trump people are taking a second look and realizing how wrong they have been about him and his agenda?

As long as we just look at the left, calling themselves Democrats as just some US only organization that will "come around" to some of the Conservative goals, pro-US citizens will eventually fail. They are part of a massive global plan to put all nations under one Marxist Oligarchic government run by the World Economic Forum and the Global Elites. They will not stop unless they are completely broken up. Individuals like Klaus Schwab and Alexander and George Soros have been at the forefront of the scheme. Bring all of the WEF members down and you end the corrupt plan.

 

[Foxfyre]

This dialogue between Megyn Kelly and Jillian Michaels illustrates where we are. Megyn's unwillingness to see any redeeming qualities in Joe Scarborough and Jillian's more conciliatory perspective.

It is the dichotomy many of us feel that we are in now.

Noting that both women are or have been Democrats, Megyn went from being a strong, passionate, outspoken anti-Trumper and critic of all things Trump in 2016 to, based on his track record, eloquently and passionately campaigning for him in 2024. Jillian had also been a passionate anti-Trumper but came around with his commitment to government not aiding and abetting government policies that have contributed to America becoming one of the unhealthiest countries among all developed nations as well as many third world countries. Jillian still doesn't like Trump but she likes his policies.

If these two strong women can shake off Democrat dogma and propaganda and support and defend better policies, maybe there is hope for others?

Here is the exchange between the two:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/11/30/megyn_kelly_the_scarboroughs_of_the_world_must_be_brought_to_heel_they_must_be_defeated_not_tolerated.html

 

[Foxfyre]

As long as we just look at the left, calling themselves Democrats as just some US only organization that will "come around" to some of the Conservative goals, pro-US citizens will eventually fail. They are part of a massive global plan to put all nations under one Marxist Oligarchic government run by the World Economic Forum and the Global Elites. They will not stop unless they are completely broken up. Individuals like Klaus Schwab and Alexander and George Soros have been at the forefront of the scheme. Bring all of the WEF members down and you end the corrupt plan.

It takes us dismissing the labels and instead focusing on the policy and supporting the group or groups who are promoting policy that is good for America and Americans.

Once we do that, those with bad agendas lose their power quickly.

 

[Marener]

I run on the verifiable evidence and not on assigned talking points issued by anybody.

I know you believe this, but it doesn’t make it true. Even if it were true, when cops shoot rubber bullets and flash bangs at you, it’s because you’re supposed to disperse. It does not mean it’s time to beat the shit out of cops.

What specific policy suggested by Trump and/or anyone on his team do you consider to be a losing policy proposed by a loser?

I said he nominated losers. Matt Gaetz is a loser. RFK Jr is a loser. Kash Patel is a loser. His policies are very nebulous. We really have no idea what he is planning on doing. Anything he claims he will do could just be a bluff or aspirational or bluster. I gave up trying to predict what Trump believes and wants. It appears to be pointless to figure out what he intends.

How you answer that question will be enlightening as to who has insulated himself/herself from any outside voices.

For you? I doubt it. You are not a rational thinker.

 

[task0778]

IMHO, the democrats will obstruct as much as they can the Trump agenda, killing legislation and bringing lawsuits against Trump's Executive Orders to delay if not deny him any successes. I don't believe the democrats will help Trump at all, hoping to take back the Senate and maybe the House in 2026. In that election there are around twice as many GOP seats up for re-election as democrat seats, and so unless Trump can show a lot of positive outcomes over the next 2 years, the chances are that he and the repubs could lose control of Congress. So, aided and abetted by the media, academia, Hollywood and others, I think the democrats will live to fight another day. Long story short, those hard-core democrats ain't gonna change their minds.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

I would like to think at least some, hopefully most, are capable of finally seeing that abortion rights, while important to them, are not a winning strategy when they object to any moral restrictions on that.

I would like to think at least some, hopefully most, are capable of finally seeing that DEI is not a winning strategy when it promotes the most weird and perverse tiny minorities as a norm, when it denigrates and endangers women by forcing them to accept biological males in their private spaces and sports, when it is considered more important than competence and effectiveness,.

I would like to think at least some, hopefully most, are capable of seeing that it is wrong to force parents to allow their children to transgender, to sever parental rights to have a say in that, to force racist and inappropriate sexual content onto children, especially the very young, to expose children to vulgar, sexually explicit language and gestures in entertainment and parade exhibits etc.

I would like to think at least some, hopefully most, are capable of seeing millions of migrants invading our country as unacceptable/indefensible and to denounce the draining of our resources, the easy access to assault/abuse women and children and traffic them along with tons of dangerous illegal substances, the sharp increase in criminal acts and the danger some present to America and Americans.

I would like to think at least some, hopefully most, are capable of denouncing as unacceptable the waste of seven trillion dollars in four years without being able to show how that money improved the lives of any rank and file Americans.

I would like to think at least some, hopefully most, are capable of appreciating the closest thing to world peace any of us had ever known during the last Trump presidency and who deplore the wars now draining our resources as well as the thousands of bodies piling up even as we teeter on the brink of WWIII.

That is why the Democrats lost the 2024 election.

I would like to think at least some, hopefully most, would now reject those unacceptable policies and see the wisdom and agenda of the MAGA vision as at least an acceptable alternative.

Some might but the nutbags are to loud.

 

[Foxfyre]

I know you believe this, but it doesn’t make it true. Even if it were true, when cops shoot rubber bullets and flash bangs at you, it’s because you’re supposed to disperse. It does not mean it’s time to beat the shit out of cops.

I said he nominated losers. Matt Gaetz is a loser. RFK Jr is a loser. Kash Patel is a loser. His policies are very nebulous. We really have no idea what he is planning on doing. Anything he claims he will do could just be a bluff or aspirational or bluster. I gave up trying to predict what Trump believes and wants. It appears to be pointless to figure out what he intends.

For you? I doubt it. You are not a rational thinker.

So you can't name a single MAGA policy that you object to. A Pity. Do have a pleasant afternoon.

 

[Foxfyre]

IMHO, the democrats will obstruct as much as they can the Trump agenda, killing legislation and bringing lawsuits against Trump's Executive Orders to delay if not deny him any successes. I don't believe the democrats will help Trump at all, hoping to take back the Senate and maybe the House in 2026. In that election there are around twice as many GOP seats up for re-election as democrat seats, and so unless Trump can show a lot of positive outcomes over the next 2 years, the chances are that he and the repubs could lose control of Congress. So, aided and abetted by the media, academia, Hollywood and others, I think the democrats will live to fight another day. Long story short, those hard-core democrats ain't gonna change their minds.

I can't say that you're wrong, but if that is the case, the Democrats didn't learn a damn thing did they.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Nobody was firing rubber bullets and flash grenades into that crowd as they were on Jan 6, 2021. If they had it likely would not have been at all peaceful.

Now perhaps you would like to address the OP or are you here just to troll?

Of course, your question is rhetorical.

Just look who it's addressed to.

In some language Procrustes Stretched must mean troll.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Of course maybe they’re just tired. It’s not like anything we say has any effect on the MAGA cult they’ve made themselves insulated from any outside voices.

"Outside voices" like who ?

Kamala Harris ?

 

[BluesLegend]

Democrats are REJECTING the tiny minority of radical left wing lunatics who run the Dem party. Rejecting, bailing and voting Republican because the radical left wing is full on crazy pants.

 

[BluesLegend]

IMHO, the democrats will obstruct as much as they can the Trump agenda

Only one problem with that, Trump has a clear MANDATE from the people. When you obliterate the Dem blue wall, crush Harris like a bug and win the popular vote, when the Dem base starts to flee to Trump Dems better be very careful about obstructing or they won't be a party in 2028.

 

[task0778]

I can't say that you're wrong, but if that is the case, the Democrats didn't learn a damn thing did they.

My guess, probably not. I could be wrong though, usually am. Some unknown person could rise up in the DNP and move that party back to the center a little bit, for practical reasons if nothing else. Or maybe a 3rd party evolves from moderates on both sides that marginalizes the extremes, but I won't be holding my breath waiting for that to happen. Or maybe somebody in the RNP moves that party a little bit back to be less populist. I think populism has it's place but shouldn't override practicality and good common sense.

 

[airplanemechanic]

???

Her mansion in Britain flooded.

Ellen DeGeneres’s England home floods weeks after her move to the UK following Donald Trump’s victory

The flood was caused following the aftermath of Storm Bert

www.yahoo.com

 

[Foxfyre]

My guess, probably not. I could be wrong though, usually am. Some unknown person could rise up in the DNP and move that party back to the center a little bit, for practical reasons if nothing else. Or maybe a 3rd party evolves from moderates on both sides that marginalizes the extremes, but I won't be holding my breath waiting for that to happen. Or maybe somebody in the RNP moves that party a little bit back to be less populist. I think populism has it's place but shouldn't override practicality and good common sense.

I can't quarrel with much, if anything, in the RNC agenda. Yes some conservative states/cities have overreached such as mandating the 10 Commandments be posted in classrooms rather than just encouraging that, requiring Bible study in the public schools rather than just allowing it, passing draconian abortion laws that are far too restrictive to be acceptable a well intended but wrong headed effort to protect the unborn.

But that's where the 10th Amendment comes in. Usually the people themselves will force their leaders to shelve or modify bad policy. Or if it violates constitutional principles, the courts may overrule some things. But one state overreaching only messes up that one state.

When the federal government overreaches, it messes up everybody.

 

[Foxfyre]

Her mansion in Britain flooded.

Ah okay. Well as we saw in "Forrest Gump" sh*t happens.

 

[Marener]

"Outside voices" like who ?

Kamala Harris ?

Anyone who offers facts they don’t want to hear.