Are Democrats smart enough ...

[dblack]

... to realize that "reforming" the filibuster so that they can ram their agenda down our throats will allow Republicans to do exactly the same thing the next time they control Congress? Prolly not.

They clearly didn't learn this lesson after they removed it for judicial nominees.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Congress is a group who routinely does not see the forest through the trees.

 

[Mac1958]

They didn't learn from Harry Reid's nuclear option screwup.

Politicians are incredibly short-sighted, because all they care about is the next election.

 

[WTH_Progs?]

Problem with PROGS is they don't understand the cause for things, so effect is WELL beyond them.

I saw this on a professional level quite heavily. "Liberal" welfare setting right. They insert 100+ man-hours into what should take one, and they often end up doing it wrong anyway. The problem (cause) is fucked up so logically the solution (effect) has to be fucked up.

 

[AFrench2]

... to realize that "reforming" the filibuster so that they can ram their agenda down our throats will allow Republicans to do exactly the same thing the next time they control Congress? Prolly not.

They clearly didn't learn this lesson after they removed it for judicial nominees.

The Republican party will never get a majority again. Enjoy watching them eat eachother to vie for Trump's support.

Congress is a group who routinely does not see the forest through the trees.

They see just fine. Hence them...you know...introducing over 50 bills to take voting rights. They may play stupid on TV, but they get it IRL.

 

[Lastamender]

They didn't learn from Harry Reid's nuclear option screwup.

Politicians are incredibly short-sighted, because all they care about is the next election.

And how to steal it.

 

[Votto]

... to realize that "reforming" the filibuster so that they can ram their agenda down our throats will allow Republicans to do exactly the same thing the next time they control Congress? Prolly not.

They clearly didn't learn this lesson after they removed it for judicial nominees.

They know that the GOP will never do much with it as where the DNC will reshape/transform/mutilate the entire globe to their liking with the filibuster crap.

The GOP are like tits on a bore hog in that they are mostly useless.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

The Republican party will never get a majority again. Enjoy watching them eat each other to vie for Trump's support.

LOL. If I had a nickel every time I heard a partisan claim the other party will never be in power again I'd be a very wealthy man.

Odds are in the Republicans' favor to take the majority in the House and Senate after the next midterms. Doesn't mean they will, of course, but history heavily favors that result.

 

[AFrench2]

The Republican party will never get a majority again. Enjoy watching them eat each other to vie for Trump's support.

LOL. If I had a nickel every time I heard a partisan claim the other party will never be in power again I'd be a very wealthy man.

Odds are in the Republicans' favor to take the majority in the House and Senate after the next midterms. Doesn't mean they will, of course, but history heavily favors that result.

The 2022 Midterms are extremely friendly to Democrats. If Biden continues to use Reconciliation to send money to people, it'll be a blowout.


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Alaska	R+9	Rep	Split[a]	Rep	Rep 1–0
Arizona	R+5	Rep	Rep	Dem	Dem 5–4
Arkansas	R+15	Rep	Rep	Rep	Rep 4–0
California	D+12	Dem	Dem	Dem	Dem 42-11
Colorado	D+1	Dem	Dem	Dem	Dem 4–3
Connecticut	D+6	Dem	Dem	Dem	Dem 5–0
Delaware	D+6	Dem	Dem	Dem	Dem 1–0	Dem		Dem
Florida	R+2	Rep	Rep	Rep	Rep 16–11
Georgia	R+5	Rep	Rep	Dem	Rep 8–6
Hawaii	D+18	Dem	Dem	Dem	Dem 2–0
Idaho	R+19	Rep	Rep	Rep	Rep 2–0
Illinois	D+7	Dem	Dem	Dem	Dem 13–5
Indiana	R+9	Rep	Rep	Rep	Rep 7–2	Rep
Iowa	R+3	Rep	Rep	Rep	Rep 3–1
Kansas	R+13	Dem	Rep	Rep	Rep 3–1
Kentucky	R+15	Dem	Rep	Rep	Rep 5–1	Dem
Louisiana	R+11	Dem	Rep	Rep	Rep 5–1	Dem	Rep
Maine	D+3	Dem	Dem	Split R/I2022 United States elections

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Massachusetts	D+12	Rep	Dem	Dem	Dem 9–0			Dem
Michigan	D+1	Dem	Rep	Dem	Split 7-7			Dem
Minnesota	D+1	Dem	Split	Dem	Split 4-4			Dem
Mississippi	R+9	Rep	Rep	Rep	Rep 3–1	Rep	Rep	Rep
Missouri	R+9	Rep	Rep	Rep	Rep 6–2	Rep
Montana	R+11	Rep	Rep	Split	Rep 1–0	Rep		Split
Nebraska	R+14	Rep	NP	Rep	Rep 3–0			Rep
Nevada	D+1	Dem	Dem	Dem	Dem 3–1
New Hampshire	Even	Rep	Rep	Dem	Dem 2–0
New Jersey	D+7			Dem	Dem 10–2			Dem
New Mexico	D+3	Dem	Dem	Dem	Dem 2–1			Dem
New York	D+11	Dem	Dem	Dem	Dem 19-8
North Carolina	R+3	Dem	Rep	Rep	Rep 8–5	Dem
North Dakota	R+17	Rep	Rep	Rep	Rep 1–0	Rep
Ohio	R+3	Rep	Rep	Split	Rep 12–4
Oklahoma	R+20	Rep	Rep	Rep	Rep 5-0
Oregon	D+5	Dem	Dem	Dem	Dem 4–1
Pennsylvania	Even	Dem	Rep	Split	Split 9–9
Rhode Island	D+10	Dem	Dem	Dem	Dem 2–0			Dem
South Carolina	R+8	Rep	Rep	Rep	Rep 6–1
South Dakota	R+14	Rep	Rep	Rep	Rep 1–0
Tennessee	R+14	Rep	Rep	Rep	Rep 7–2			Rep
Texas	R+8	Rep	Rep	Rep	Rep 23–13			Rep
Utah	R+20	Rep	Rep	Rep	Rep 4-0	Rep
Vermont	D+15	Rep	Dem	Split D/I[c]	Dem 1–0
Virginia	D+1			Dem	Dem 7–4			Dem
Washington	D+7	Dem	Dem	Dem	Dem 7–3	Dem
West Virginia	R+20	Rep	Rep	Split	Rep 3–0	Rep		Split
Wisconsin	Even	Dem	Rep	Split	Rep 5–3
Wyoming	R+25	Rep	Rep	Rep	Rep 1–0			Rep
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Washington, D.C.	D+43	Dem[d]	Dem[d]	N/A	Dem			N/A
American Samoa	N/A	NP/D[e]	NP	Rep	NP/D[e]	NP
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[Dont Taz Me Bro]

The Republican party will never get a majority again. Enjoy watching them eat each other to vie for Trump's support.

LOL. If I had a nickel every time I heard a partisan claim the other party will never be in power again I'd be a very wealthy man.

Odds are in the Republicans' favor to take the majority in the House and Senate after the next midterms. Doesn't mean they will, of course, but history heavily favors that result.

The 2022 Midterms are extremely friendly to Democrats. If Biden continues to use Reconciliation to send money to people, it'll be a blowout.

The 2022 midterms are not friendly to Democrats. The party not in the White House almost always makes gains. Showing the map of what is open and who has to defend what has never been an accurate barometer. I remember Democrats thinking they were going to clean up in 2010 after the blowout election they had in 2008 with Obama and the Republicans having to defend a whole bunch of seats because of how well they did in the Senate in 2004 and you know what happened? The Republicans had a historical midterm. They won six Senate seats and 63 House seats because Obama's popularity tanked after the passage of ObamaCare.

If you think throwing paltry crumbs to people in form of stimulus checks over and over is going to garner votes for the Democrats you don't have a good grasp on what's going on out there. People don't want table scraps thrown to them. They want their lives back and the longer this drags out the more it's going to hurt Biden's popularity. Not to mention additional factors of some of the radical legislation being proposed and some of the extremist loons he's been appointing to his cabinet.

You should take note that even with toxic Trump at the top of the ticket this past election and him losing, the Republicans still gained several House seats (they were predicted to lose another ten to 20) and the Democrats still failed to win a decisive majority in the Senate (they were expected to do so easily.) The voters indicated they wanted Trump gone, but they weren't necessarily buying what your party was selling either, hence the mixed results.

 

[AFrench2]

The party not in the White House almost always makes gains.

Not when Donald Trump is the guy leading your party! Good luck with that! Didn't he say he was going to fly to Alaska and try and harm Lisa Murkowski's re-election (A Republican).

First, that fat fuck isn't going to Alaska lmao.

Second, lmao.

 

[Brain357]

... to realize that "reforming" the filibuster so that they can ram their agenda down our throats will allow Republicans to do exactly the same thing the next time they control Congress? Prolly not.

They clearly didn't learn this lesson after they removed it for judicial nominees.

You are right, probably not...

 

[dblack]

... to realize that "reforming" the filibuster so that they can ram their agenda down our throats will allow Republicans to do exactly the same thing the next time they control Congress? Prolly not.

They clearly didn't learn this lesson after they removed it for judicial nominees.

The Republican party will never get a majority again. Enjoy watching them eat eachother to vie for Trump's support.

You must be new to American politics.

 

[IM2]

... to realize that "reforming" the filibuster so that they can ram their agenda down our throats will allow Republicans to do exactly the same thing the next time they control Congress? Prolly not.

They clearly didn't learn this lesson after they removed it for judicial nominees.

Actually what democrats need to do is play like the republicans and watch them fold. End the jim crow fillibuster than ramrod everything down the republicans throat until 2022 and then watch what happens. Because republicans seem to think they are going to get the majority back in 2 years, that may not happen considering how they are acting now. So as liberals pass everything they want without a filibuster, we are will watch the right implode.

 

[Indeependent]

... to realize that "reforming" the filibuster so that they can ram their agenda down our throats will allow Republicans to do exactly the same thing the next time they control Congress? Prolly not.

They clearly didn't learn this lesson after they removed it for judicial nominees.

People who have adrenalin running through their arteries don't use their brains.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

The Republican party will never get a majority again.

Because of cheating?

 

[dblack]

... to realize that "reforming" the filibuster so that they can ram their agenda down our throats will allow Republicans to do exactly the same thing the next time they control Congress? Prolly not.

They clearly didn't learn this lesson after they removed it for judicial nominees.

Actually what democrats need to do is play like the republicans and watch them fold. End the jim crow fillibuster than ramrod everything down the republicans throat until 2022 and then watch what happens. Because republicans seem to think they are going to get the majority back in 2 years, that may not happen considering how they are acting now. So as liberals pass everything they want without a filibuster, we are will watch the right implode.

If Dems end the filibuster and slam everything through with a slim partisan majority - they'll pretty much ensure the Republicans come roaring back.

 

[AFrench2]

The Republican party will never get a majority again. Enjoy watching them eat each other to vie for Trump's support.

LOL. If I had a nickel every time I heard a partisan claim the other party will never be in power again I'd be a very wealthy man.

Odds are in the Republicans' favor to take the majority in the House and Senate after the next midterms. Doesn't mean they will, of course, but history heavily favors that result.

The 2022 Midterms are extremely friendly to Democrats. If Biden continues to use Reconciliation to send money to people, it'll be a blowout.

The 2022 midterms are not friendly to Democrats. The party not in the White House almost always makes gains. Showing the map of what is open and who has to defend what has never been an accurate barometer. I remember Democrats thinking they were going to clean up in 2010 after the blowout election they had in 2008 with Obama and the Republicans having to defend a whole bunch of seats because of how well they did in the Senate in 2004 and you know what happened? The Republicans had a historical midterm. They won six Senate seats and 63 House seats because Obama's popularity tanked after the passage of ObamaCare.

If you think throwing paltry crumbs to people in form of stimulus checks over and over is going to garner votes for the Democrats you don't have a good grasp on what's going on out there. People don't want table scraps thrown to them. They want their lives back and the longer this drags out the more it's going to hurt Biden's popularity. Not to mention additional factors of some of the radical legislation being proposed and some of the extremist loons he's been appointing to his cabinet.

You should take note that even with toxic Trump at the top of the ticket this past election and him losing, the Republicans still gained several House seats (they were predicted to lose another ten to 20) and the Democrats still failed to win a decisive majority in the Senate (they were expected to do so easily.) The voters indicated they wanted Trump gone, but they weren't necessarily buying what your party was selling either, hence the mixed results.

tl;dr

... to realize that "reforming" the filibuster so that they can ram their agenda down our throats will allow Republicans to do exactly the same thing the next time they control Congress? Prolly not.

They clearly didn't learn this lesson after they removed it for judicial nominees.

Actually what democrats need to do is play like the republicans and watch them fold. End the jim crow fillibuster than ramrod everything down the republicans throat until 2022 and then watch what happens. Because republicans seem to think they are going to get the majority back in 2 years, that may not happen considering how they are acting now. So as liberals pass everything they want without a filibuster, we are will watch the right implode.

If Dems end the filibuster and slam everything through with a slim partisan majority - they'll pretty much ensure the Republicans come roaring back.

If the Dems end the filibuster and "slam" SR-1 through, the Republicans won't come back anytime soon.

 

[dblack]

The Republican party will never get a majority again. Enjoy watching them eat each other to vie for Trump's support.

LOL. If I had a nickel every time I heard a partisan claim the other party will never be in power again I'd be a very wealthy man.

Odds are in the Republicans' favor to take the majority in the House and Senate after the next midterms. Doesn't mean they will, of course, but history heavily favors that result.

The 2022 Midterms are extremely friendly to Democrats. If Biden continues to use Reconciliation to send money to people, it'll be a blowout.

The 2022 midterms are not friendly to Democrats. The party not in the White House almost always makes gains. Showing the map of what is open and who has to defend what has never been an accurate barometer. I remember Democrats thinking they were going to clean up in 2010 after the blowout election they had in 2008 with Obama and the Republicans having to defend a whole bunch of seats because of how well they did in the Senate in 2004 and you know what happened? The Republicans had a historical midterm. They won six Senate seats and 63 House seats because Obama's popularity tanked after the passage of ObamaCare.

If you think throwing paltry crumbs to people in form of stimulus checks over and over is going to garner votes for the Democrats you don't have a good grasp on what's going on out there. People don't want table scraps thrown to them. They want their lives back and the longer this drags out the more it's going to hurt Biden's popularity. Not to mention additional factors of some of the radical legislation being proposed and some of the extremist loons he's been appointing to his cabinet.

You should take note that even with toxic Trump at the top of the ticket this past election and him losing, the Republicans still gained several House seats (they were predicted to lose another ten to 20) and the Democrats still failed to win a decisive majority in the Senate (they were expected to do so easily.) The voters indicated they wanted Trump gone, but they weren't necessarily buying what your party was selling either, hence the mixed results.

tl;dr

... to realize that "reforming" the filibuster so that they can ram their agenda down our throats will allow Republicans to do exactly the same thing the next time they control Congress? Prolly not.

They clearly didn't learn this lesson after they removed it for judicial nominees.

Actually what democrats need to do is play like the republicans and watch them fold. End the jim crow fillibuster than ramrod everything down the republicans throat until 2022 and then watch what happens. Because republicans seem to think they are going to get the majority back in 2 years, that may not happen considering how they are acting now. So as liberals pass everything they want without a filibuster, we are will watch the right implode.

If Dems end the filibuster and slam everything through with a slim partisan majority - they'll pretty much ensure the Republicans come roaring back.

If the Dems end the filibuster and "slam" SR-1 through, the Republicans won't come back anytime soon.

If they end the filibuster and force their whole agenda in that way, it will turn more and more independents against them. It won't take much to turn the tide.

 

[Jets]

The Democratic Party is in a catch 22. The Presidents party generally loses during the midterms. That leaves two years for the party to convince the voters to buck the trend.

If they pass too little legislation, they will be painted as feckless and lose the party majority.

If they jettison the filibuster and pass as much legislation as they can, they will be painted as imperious and still lose the majority.

Just my opinion here, but the latter seems to be the better option. If the electorate agrees with the legislation passed, it increases the odds of staying in power.