What China did with this virus, and how it affected their best trading partners was China's own doing. I don't think anyone knew the depths of irresponsibility of the Lying Outlaw Slavers of Beijing, but, we know it now, and the Civilized world is, in a very orderly fashion, shifting it's critical supply chains to more responsible partners.
Are China and America doomed to conflict?
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Well, not really, we do a lot of business with China, but, we can't them in control of our critical supply lies which we are in the process of shifting to more reliable partners. They are lying thieves and we can't have their spyware in our critical military technologies, that's obvious. We are free nation, when we want to move some of our business to someone else, we will. For China to threaten war over business setbacks just shows the world what nuts they are.
Well yes. We will not let them close international shipping lanes. They are signatories to the international law of the sea that recognizes freedom of navigation and, working with our allies in the region, we will hold them to their commitments.
The cooperating naval forces of the QUAD US/Japan/India/Australia is a formidable force should China, through aggressive belligerence make such a response necessary that should they force us into a naval blockade, regime change could be the price of rejoining the community of civilized nations as a valued responsible trading partner and peaceful neighbor.
China could do themselves and their people a great big favor by focusing on being a peaceful neighbor and a trustworthy trading partner.
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Wow !!! I read every post, and this was some interesting reading material, including both facts and opinions.
So when asking rhetorically, how has recent opinions of the CCP changed militarily, post covid ? I mean when factoring in that China had planned on this virus completely shutting down the U.S., battleships, etc..., combined with the fact that Trump and Pompeo have been rallying other countries, of whom most countries are very upset with China and now look up to America as big brother, and now that China has ALL eyes on them ?
I personally feel that Trump knew that China had been contemplating a virus attack, and has had a strategy in place should they go down that road, and they did.
So when asking rhetorically, how has recent opinions of the CCP changed militarily, post covid ? I mean when factoring in that China had planned on this virus completely shutting down the U.S., battleships, etc..., combined with the fact that Trump and Pompeo have been rallying other countries, of whom most countries are very upset with China and now look up to America as big brother, and now that China has ALL eyes on them ?
I personally feel that Trump knew that China had been contemplating a virus attack, and has had a strategy in place should they go down that road, and they did.
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Here is what I think. The Damn UN rewarded China for releasing Corona, attacking the US Economy, Threatening The President's Re-Election and inching the entire world towards The UN Global New World Order, aka The AntiChrist Global Government, but putting China Russia and Cuba on the Human Rights Council.
Is that a joke? Nope. They were voted on to it.
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Two new articles appeared in the Chinese mainland Global Times yesterday. One responded to outgoing Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s personal declaration that “Taiwan is not part of China.” The other announced a new policy of sanctions and legal actions against individual “die hard” Taiwan secessionists and their economic interests. The latter implied that the Mainland would not likely respond with sudden military measures so long as Pompeo remained a lame duck who only talks about this matter. Here are excerpts from both articles:
Pompeo's Taiwan remarks are against reality, total nonsense
US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo seems to love attention as much as his boss, President Donald Trump. Pompeo is often seen making gaffes about different issues ... "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole”… Pompeo said in Texas on April 15, 2019.... an open confession from a former CIA boss about covert actions.
No criticism could stop him from making controversial comments, especially with regard to China.... he might be second only to Trump in slandering China. As is his habit, Pompeo continues making controversial, sometimes insane, remarks against China even at the end of his tenure. However, the entire world was taken aback by his recent comments that "Taiwan is not a part of China." Pompeo made the remarks on a nationally syndicated US radio show on Thursday.
Pompeo's comment is completely against ... international law and the charter of the United Nations. They are against the long-standing official stance of the US about its one-China policy. His remarks are a direct attack on his country's written commitments to China, based on which Sino-US ties have been established and still stand....
The world has also recognized that the island is an inseparable part of China. The United Nations (UN) has adopted a resolution to accept the legitimate claim of China over Taiwan. On October 25, 1971, the 26th session of the UN General Assembly passed Resolution No. 2,758. The resolution announced in clear and definite language that Taiwan is part of the People's Republic of China (PRC).
The UN General Assembly also recognizes that the representatives of the government of the PRC are the sole legal representatives of China in the UN and that the PRC is one of the permanent members of the UN Security Council.
On July 23, 2007, former UN secretary-general Ban Ki-moon rejected Taiwan's bid to "join the UN under the name of Taiwan," citing Resolution 2,758 as acknowledging that Taiwan is part of China. The UN is an international organization composed of sovereign states. Taiwan as a province of China is not qualified and has no right to participate in the global body.
Alongside the UN resolution, the US itself, in three Joint US-China Communiqués, has also acknowledged that ... there is but one China and that Taiwan is a part of China. The US government attaches great importance to its relations with China and has reiterated that it has no intention of infringing on Chinese sovereignty and territorial integrity, or interfering in China's internal affairs, or pursuing a policy of "two Chinas" or "one China, one Taiwan."
Pompeo's Taiwan remarks are against reality, total nonsense - Global Times
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Leaders of separatist forces 'should be blacklisted' ...
Chinese mainland to sanction Taiwan secessionists ...
After a Hong Kong newspaper reported on Sunday that the Chinese mainland will formulate a blacklist of "stubborn Taiwan secessionists," both sides of the Taiwan Straits wondered who will make the list, as mainland experts said the blacklist should include the leaders, influential personnel of the secessionist forces, and the head of Taiwan's executive body.
According to Taiwan media, some Taiwan secessionist politicians questioned the validity of a "blacklist" to show they are not worried about being on the blacklist. Tsai Ing-wen, the head of the separatist Democratic Progressive Party (DPP), and regional leader of the island, has remained silent.
Yang Lixian, deputy secretary general of the National Society of Taiwan Studies, told the Global Times that by releasing the blacklist, the mainland will conduct much stricter and severer crackdown against the Taiwan secessionists, to "reaffirm the mainland's firm stance of showing zero tolerance for Taiwan secessionism."
Tang Xiang-long, a Taiwan TV commentator and expert on cross-Straits relations, told the Global Times that after Tsai Ing-wen won local elections in Taiwan earlier this year, pro-secessionist politicians and media in Taiwan have unscrupulously flooded society with anti-China sentiments, hatred against the Chinese mainland and secessionism....
Chinese mainland experts said once the blacklist is officially released, it would have the same significance as "the war criminals list of the civil war" which was issued by the Communist Party of China (CPC) in December 1948 and January 1949, a few months before the last major battle launched by the People's Liberation Army against the KMT military forces to reunify the Chinese mainland....
Most Taiwan secessionists that would likely be on the blacklist are politicians, heads of Taiwan secessionist NGOs, and people who sponsor them.... But Taiwan-based experts reminded that some Taiwan entrepreneurs ... actually have no choice ... as the separatist party is now controlling the island and ... will seek revenge if they don't show support. "So if the mainland authorities want to put some sponsors on the list, they need to be careful and clearly figure out who are the real funder and who is being forced to contribute, to avoid hurting the innocent," Tang said.
The first blacklist won't be long, and it might have some names added to list in the future ... Chinese mainland experts noted that Su Tseng-chang, head of Taiwan's executive body is being extremely ... hostile toward the mainland, and has caused harm to cross-Straits relations, is very likely to be included on the blacklist.
Su is a typical extreme, die-hard Taiwan secessionist ideologue who holds strong hatred against the Chinese mainland. On January 24 ... Su banned Taiwan suppliers from sending medical masks to the mainland... According to Taiwan's local media, Su has also made great efforts to push a so-called "constitutional amendment" in recent years, which is intended to wipe out the one-China principle, a crucial legal step to realize Taiwan secessionism....
In February 2019, Su said if the Chinese mainland launched a military operation to reunify the island he "would fight the People's Liberation Army until the end" even if he "only had a broom to show his "determination and bravery." His remarks were mocked by Taiwan-based media outlets. Some mainland netizens even couriered a broom to Su....
At present, Taiwan secessionists are not only operating within the island, but are taking actions that has spilled into the other regions, as they have ganged up with separatists in Hong Kong, Tibet, Xinjiang, as well as ... in other countries, Tang said, noting that "it is impossible for Beijing to be tolerant and step back in the face of these matters."
A Beijing-based expert on Taiwan affairs who asked for anonymity told the Global Times on Sunday that with the blacklist, "the mainland authorities are sending a signal not only to the island [of Taiwan] but the whole country and the entire world that the Chinese mainland is seriously preparing for reunification of the island by any means."
"Those Taiwan secessionists who conduct rampant and even high-profile activities to damage cross-Straits ties and gang up with foreign forces to pursue Taiwan secessionism should know that they, sooner or later, will be judged and punished," he said.
Leaders of separatist forces 'should be blacklisted' as report says Chinese mainland to sanction Taiwan secessionists: analysts - Global Times
Pompeo's Taiwan remarks are against reality, total nonsense
US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo seems to love attention as much as his boss, President Donald Trump. Pompeo is often seen making gaffes about different issues ... "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole”… Pompeo said in Texas on April 15, 2019.... an open confession from a former CIA boss about covert actions.
No criticism could stop him from making controversial comments, especially with regard to China.... he might be second only to Trump in slandering China. As is his habit, Pompeo continues making controversial, sometimes insane, remarks against China even at the end of his tenure. However, the entire world was taken aback by his recent comments that "Taiwan is not a part of China." Pompeo made the remarks on a nationally syndicated US radio show on Thursday.
Pompeo's comment is completely against ... international law and the charter of the United Nations. They are against the long-standing official stance of the US about its one-China policy. His remarks are a direct attack on his country's written commitments to China, based on which Sino-US ties have been established and still stand....
The world has also recognized that the island is an inseparable part of China. The United Nations (UN) has adopted a resolution to accept the legitimate claim of China over Taiwan. On October 25, 1971, the 26th session of the UN General Assembly passed Resolution No. 2,758. The resolution announced in clear and definite language that Taiwan is part of the People's Republic of China (PRC).
The UN General Assembly also recognizes that the representatives of the government of the PRC are the sole legal representatives of China in the UN and that the PRC is one of the permanent members of the UN Security Council.
On July 23, 2007, former UN secretary-general Ban Ki-moon rejected Taiwan's bid to "join the UN under the name of Taiwan," citing Resolution 2,758 as acknowledging that Taiwan is part of China. The UN is an international organization composed of sovereign states. Taiwan as a province of China is not qualified and has no right to participate in the global body.
Alongside the UN resolution, the US itself, in three Joint US-China Communiqués, has also acknowledged that ... there is but one China and that Taiwan is a part of China. The US government attaches great importance to its relations with China and has reiterated that it has no intention of infringing on Chinese sovereignty and territorial integrity, or interfering in China's internal affairs, or pursuing a policy of "two Chinas" or "one China, one Taiwan."
Pompeo's Taiwan remarks are against reality, total nonsense - Global Times
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Leaders of separatist forces 'should be blacklisted' ...
Chinese mainland to sanction Taiwan secessionists ...
After a Hong Kong newspaper reported on Sunday that the Chinese mainland will formulate a blacklist of "stubborn Taiwan secessionists," both sides of the Taiwan Straits wondered who will make the list, as mainland experts said the blacklist should include the leaders, influential personnel of the secessionist forces, and the head of Taiwan's executive body.
According to Taiwan media, some Taiwan secessionist politicians questioned the validity of a "blacklist" to show they are not worried about being on the blacklist. Tsai Ing-wen, the head of the separatist Democratic Progressive Party (DPP), and regional leader of the island, has remained silent.
Yang Lixian, deputy secretary general of the National Society of Taiwan Studies, told the Global Times that by releasing the blacklist, the mainland will conduct much stricter and severer crackdown against the Taiwan secessionists, to "reaffirm the mainland's firm stance of showing zero tolerance for Taiwan secessionism."
Tang Xiang-long, a Taiwan TV commentator and expert on cross-Straits relations, told the Global Times that after Tsai Ing-wen won local elections in Taiwan earlier this year, pro-secessionist politicians and media in Taiwan have unscrupulously flooded society with anti-China sentiments, hatred against the Chinese mainland and secessionism....
Chinese mainland experts said once the blacklist is officially released, it would have the same significance as "the war criminals list of the civil war" which was issued by the Communist Party of China (CPC) in December 1948 and January 1949, a few months before the last major battle launched by the People's Liberation Army against the KMT military forces to reunify the Chinese mainland....
Most Taiwan secessionists that would likely be on the blacklist are politicians, heads of Taiwan secessionist NGOs, and people who sponsor them.... But Taiwan-based experts reminded that some Taiwan entrepreneurs ... actually have no choice ... as the separatist party is now controlling the island and ... will seek revenge if they don't show support. "So if the mainland authorities want to put some sponsors on the list, they need to be careful and clearly figure out who are the real funder and who is being forced to contribute, to avoid hurting the innocent," Tang said.
The first blacklist won't be long, and it might have some names added to list in the future ... Chinese mainland experts noted that Su Tseng-chang, head of Taiwan's executive body is being extremely ... hostile toward the mainland, and has caused harm to cross-Straits relations, is very likely to be included on the blacklist.
Su is a typical extreme, die-hard Taiwan secessionist ideologue who holds strong hatred against the Chinese mainland. On January 24 ... Su banned Taiwan suppliers from sending medical masks to the mainland... According to Taiwan's local media, Su has also made great efforts to push a so-called "constitutional amendment" in recent years, which is intended to wipe out the one-China principle, a crucial legal step to realize Taiwan secessionism....
In February 2019, Su said if the Chinese mainland launched a military operation to reunify the island he "would fight the People's Liberation Army until the end" even if he "only had a broom to show his "determination and bravery." His remarks were mocked by Taiwan-based media outlets. Some mainland netizens even couriered a broom to Su....
At present, Taiwan secessionists are not only operating within the island, but are taking actions that has spilled into the other regions, as they have ganged up with separatists in Hong Kong, Tibet, Xinjiang, as well as ... in other countries, Tang said, noting that "it is impossible for Beijing to be tolerant and step back in the face of these matters."
A Beijing-based expert on Taiwan affairs who asked for anonymity told the Global Times on Sunday that with the blacklist, "the mainland authorities are sending a signal not only to the island [of Taiwan] but the whole country and the entire world that the Chinese mainland is seriously preparing for reunification of the island by any means."
"Those Taiwan secessionists who conduct rampant and even high-profile activities to damage cross-Straits ties and gang up with foreign forces to pursue Taiwan secessionism should know that they, sooner or later, will be judged and punished," he said.
Leaders of separatist forces 'should be blacklisted' as report says Chinese mainland to sanction Taiwan secessionists: analysts - Global Times
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Fake News. The resolution says no such thing.
Why would you post the lies of Lying Outlaw Slaver Beijing when you know that they can be easily checked?
The resolution is only 4 sentences long, and none of the 4 sentences even pretend to make the claim that you state is made in "clear and definite language."
Pathetic!
The sources you are posting from are threatening clear offensive war against their peaceful neighbors, even while they slander the President and the Secretary of State, something you seem to be all for. Are you an America hating warmonger?
If the Lying Outlaw Slavers of Beijing launch a war of aggression against their peaceful neighbors in Taiwan, are you going to cry if the lying outlaw slavers get their asses kicked off the rocky cliffs and drown by the thousands in the stormy seas of the strait?
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Most of the world plays this little game and goes along with the "official story," but most of the world knows - all diplomatic doublespeak aside - that Taiwan has been independent from China since the end of the last Chinese Civil War. It is a practical reality that everyone knows despite the performance dialog found at embassy dinner parties.
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It said "world government."
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There is a “One China” policy. It has been confirmed and accepted by both Republican and Democratic administrations for almost 50 years. It was internationally recognized when the ROC was kicked out of the UN and the PRC was recognized in 1971. Numerous presidents of both parties have gone out of their way to restrain any Taiwanese politicians who wished to call openly for secession or Taiwanese “Independence.”
The Mainland has always said it would not tolerate an “independent” Taiwan and expected eventual re-unification. Those are facts. Pompeo is now openly encouraging secessionists to “stand up” against China. As in U.S. & British encouragement of HongKong secessionists, this can only bring an earlier mainland crackdown (though the situations are certainly different in important respects).
Everybody who wants a peaceful resolution of this difficult longstanding problem must oppose the new Pompeo language and provocations. The Trump policy of trying to force Taiwan industry and high tech companies to “disengage” from its closest and largest trading partner is madness and will lead to Chinese retaliation and war.
Those who live in a bubble of U.S. media misinformation (or worse — Trumptard misinformation) will be unhappily surprised by China’s reaction. Real knowledge of the Chinese position and the relationship of forces is not being a “warmonger,” but it is certainly essential if Americans are to have any hope of stopping new American overseas provocations and a drift towards war with China.
The Mainland has always said it would not tolerate an “independent” Taiwan and expected eventual re-unification. Those are facts. Pompeo is now openly encouraging secessionists to “stand up” against China. As in U.S. & British encouragement of HongKong secessionists, this can only bring an earlier mainland crackdown (though the situations are certainly different in important respects).
Everybody who wants a peaceful resolution of this difficult longstanding problem must oppose the new Pompeo language and provocations. The Trump policy of trying to force Taiwan industry and high tech companies to “disengage” from its closest and largest trading partner is madness and will lead to Chinese retaliation and war.
Those who live in a bubble of U.S. media misinformation (or worse — Trumptard misinformation) will be unhappily surprised by China’s reaction. Real knowledge of the Chinese position and the relationship of forces is not being a “warmonger,” but it is certainly essential if Americans are to have any hope of stopping new American overseas provocations and a drift towards war with China.
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You lazy shit. If YOU post a claim then YOU support that claim.
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