Are Children A Part Of The Gay Marriage Conversation?

[bendog]

Why would anyone bother to reply? Your drivel is based upon crackpot websites. Gay pride parades are now corporate sponsored events. No doubt there are some idiots in the gay pride attendees, but your entire "thought process" is just more of your exhibition of your intolerance and frankly creepy obsession with other people's sexuality.

Well if you're addressing me, I'm not the one putting on gay sex act parades and inviting children to attend. It would be harder indeed to be obsessed with the topic if it wasn't on parade in front of kids on main street, wouldn't you say? I think you're placing the blame for all the exposure of the topic on the wrong person...lol..

yeah I was responding to you. Apple was a sponsor of one parade and you had dick duban and Emmanuel marching in Chicago and I think the freaking boy scouts were in NYC. You seem to think its a bunch of guys dressed like the Village People wanking off in public. I'm sure there are a few idiots but come into the present century.

 

[RKMBrown]

I will enjoy my night, thank you.

Ricechickie exposed ricechickie, you described heterosexual parents teachings as indoctrination, correct that if that is not what you meant.

Ricechickie also stated heterosexuals can not describe our intimacy with our wife to our children.

I will sleep good knowing all is quoted and saved so that those who read without posting, know the facts as well as the tactics of those who are homosexual activists.

The Icing on the Cake is when I asked a specific relevant question in which if anyone answered, would show their views contradictory to their position.

I am a sick ****, proven here, as ricechickie states, should sick - ****'s adopt 9 year old boys, and remember, I am gay, so as a gay sick ****, should I be allowed to adopt 9 year old boys?

Once again, a question put to ricechickie,

Is English not your first language? That would explain a lot.

Here is the perception of what YOU are saying:

Elektra: Gays should not be able to adopt because they have sex

Explain to us how we got that wrong, because that is what I've gotten out of your posts. You seem to think that gays cannot have children because they have sex, but you have no problem with straights having children and sex. Explain this double standard to us, please.

Same sex coupling is a form of sex, like a tricycle is a form of transportation.

Learn to ride a trike and you think you deserve a pilots license.

So, you think the government should rank kinds of sex and award marriage licenses based on what kind of sex one can or does perform?

It already does.

Oh...so missionary position sex gets a different license than oral sex gets?

I think I saw that in a pron once.

 

[Rikurzhen]

So, you think the government should rank kinds of sex and award marriage licenses based on what kind of sex one can or does perform?

It already does.

Oh...so missionary position sex gets a different license than oral sex gets?

One, when performed by opposing genders can, and often does created population, the other is a form of masturbation.

What about the above do you not understand

That is why a tricycle and a jet are both referred to as modes of transportation, but only one required a license.

Are you really that simple?

Yes, she is. When they know they have lost the point, they pretend to be stupid and incapable of committing logic.

Says the individual ridiculously arguing that procreation has anything to do with civil marriage. What state requires procreation for a marriage license? None is it?

Why do the phrases "dial the number" and "tape the show" exist when no one is any longer making rotary telephones or VCR machines?

Think McFly, think!

 

[Seawytch]

It already does.

Oh...so missionary position sex gets a different license than oral sex gets?

One, when performed by opposing genders can, and often does created population, the other is a form of masturbation.

What about the above do you not understand

That is why a tricycle and a jet are both referred to as modes of transportation, but only one required a license.

Are you really that simple?

Yes, she is. When they know they have lost the point, they pretend to be stupid and incapable of committing logic.

Says the individual ridiculously arguing that procreation has anything to do with civil marriage. What state requires procreation for a marriage license? None is it?

Why do the phrases "dial the number" and "tape the show" exist when no one is any longer making rotary telephones or VCR machines?

Think McFly, think!

Oh, so you can cite when procreation was EVER a requirement for a marriage license? When did this requirement ever exist and when did it go away?

 

[Pop23]

Oh...so missionary position sex gets a different license than oral sex gets?

One, when performed by opposing genders can, and often does created population, the other is a form of masturbation.

What about the above do you not understand

That is why a tricycle and a jet are both referred to as modes of transportation, but only one required a license.

Are you really that simple?

Yes, she is. When they know they have lost the point, they pretend to be stupid and incapable of committing logic.

Says the individual ridiculously arguing that procreation has anything to do with civil marriage. What state requires procreation for a marriage license? None is it?

Why do the phrases "dial the number" and "tape the show" exist when no one is any longer making rotary telephones or VCR machines?

Think McFly, think!

Oh, so you can cite when procreation was EVER a requirement for a marriage license? When did this requirement ever exist and when did it go away?

Were airline pilots required to have a license before planes were invented?

Hmmmm

 

[RKMBrown]

It already does.

Oh...so missionary position sex gets a different license than oral sex gets?

One, when performed by opposing genders can, and often does created population, the other is a form of masturbation.

What about the above do you not understand

That is why a tricycle and a jet are both referred to as modes of transportation, but only one required a license.

Are you really that simple?

Yes, she is. When they know they have lost the point, they pretend to be stupid and incapable of committing logic.

Says the individual ridiculously arguing that procreation has anything to do with civil marriage. What state requires procreation for a marriage license? None is it?

Why do the phrases "dial the number" and "tape the show" exist when no one is any longer making rotary telephones or VCR machines?

Think McFly, think!

Pretty sure that was seawytch's point. You folks claiming homosexual marriage should be restricted because it's not heterosexual marriage is the same as arguing you can't use touch tones to make a rotary connection.

 

[RKMBrown]

One, when performed by opposing genders can, and often does created population, the other is a form of masturbation.

What about the above do you not understand

That is why a tricycle and a jet are both referred to as modes of transportation, but only one required a license.

Are you really that simple?

Yes, she is. When they know they have lost the point, they pretend to be stupid and incapable of committing logic.

Says the individual ridiculously arguing that procreation has anything to do with civil marriage. What state requires procreation for a marriage license? None is it?

Why do the phrases "dial the number" and "tape the show" exist when no one is any longer making rotary telephones or VCR machines?

Think McFly, think!

Oh, so you can cite when procreation was EVER a requirement for a marriage license? When did this requirement ever exist and when did it go away?

Were airline pilots required to have a license before planes were invented?

Hmmmm

Are stewardesses still required to join the mile high club?

Hmmm..

 

[bendog]

Oh...so missionary position sex gets a different license than oral sex gets?

One, when performed by opposing genders can, and often does created population, the other is a form of masturbation.

What about the above do you not understand

That is why a tricycle and a jet are both referred to as modes of transportation, but only one required a license.

Are you really that simple?

Yes, she is. When they know they have lost the point, they pretend to be stupid and incapable of committing logic.

Says the individual ridiculously arguing that procreation has anything to do with civil marriage. What state requires procreation for a marriage license? None is it?

Why do the phrases "dial the number" and "tape the show" exist when no one is any longer making rotary telephones or VCR machines?

Think McFly, think!

Oh, so you can cite when procreation was EVER a requirement for a marriage license? When did this requirement ever exist and when did it go away?

Not to argue, but imo refuting the argument against gay marriage on the basis of procreation is just falling into the trap of finding false differences. I think one honestly has to acknowledge that both civil and religious marriage is generally founded on one purpose being the raising of kids. But no religion finds a marriage invalid for failure of fertility, and civil marriage certainly never required procreation, as you point out.

But the point should be that some gay marriages WILL result in procreation. Obviously females have an biological advantage because there's no great leap in how two lesbians can find a donor, or even how the semen can be delivered. I mean you don't need a doc or lawyer here. But, two males can contract with a surrogate female. Not to mention adoption, which was the choice of billions of infertile hetero couples over thousands of years, and is an option open to gay/lesbians.

But the analysis should be: since some gay/lesbian couples will have kids, how can they be treated differently so long as we have equal protection.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Oh...so missionary position sex gets a different license than oral sex gets?

One, when performed by opposing genders can, and often does created population, the other is a form of masturbation.

What about the above do you not understand

That is why a tricycle and a jet are both referred to as modes of transportation, but only one required a license.

Are you really that simple?

Yes, she is. When they know they have lost the point, they pretend to be stupid and incapable of committing logic.

Says the individual ridiculously arguing that procreation has anything to do with civil marriage. What state requires procreation for a marriage license? None is it?

Why do the phrases "dial the number" and "tape the show" exist when no one is any longer making rotary telephones or VCR machines?

Think McFly, think!

Oh, so you can cite when procreation was EVER a requirement for a marriage license? When did this requirement ever exist and when did it go away?

It was a natural outcome of being married throughout all of human history up until the invention of the birth control pill.

There was a very high signal to noise ratio that the few infertile couples who did get married or the old couples who remarried didn't erode the justification for the institution. That's why there is no test.

Times have changed but the institution is behind the times. There is no valid reason for society to grant benefits to a man and a woman who get married solely because they love each other and then don't have children. This is now becoming more common due to birth control. Society gets absolutely no benefit from a childless married couple.

 

[Rikurzhen]

One, when performed by opposing genders can, and often does created population, the other is a form of masturbation.

What about the above do you not understand

That is why a tricycle and a jet are both referred to as modes of transportation, but only one required a license.

Are you really that simple?

Yes, she is. When they know they have lost the point, they pretend to be stupid and incapable of committing logic.

Says the individual ridiculously arguing that procreation has anything to do with civil marriage. What state requires procreation for a marriage license? None is it?

Why do the phrases "dial the number" and "tape the show" exist when no one is any longer making rotary telephones or VCR machines?

Think McFly, think!

Oh, so you can cite when procreation was EVER a requirement for a marriage license? When did this requirement ever exist and when did it go away?

Not to argue, but imo refuting the argument against gay marriage on the basis of procreation is just falling into the trap of finding false differences. I think one honestly has to acknowledge that both civil and religious marriage is generally founded on one purpose being the raising of kids. But no religion finds a marriage invalid for failure of fertility, and civil marriage certainly never required procreation, as you point out.

But the point should be that some gay marriages WILL result in procreation. Obviously females have an biological advantage because there's no great leap in how two lesbians can find a donor, or even how the semen can be delivered. I mean you don't need a doc or lawyer here. But, two males can contract with a surrogate female. Not to mention adoption, which was the choice of billions of infertile hetero couples over thousands of years, and is an option open to gay/lesbians.

But the analysis should be: since some gay/lesbian couples will have kids, how can they be treated differently so long as we have equal protection.

And that procreation violates the human rights of the child and that's why Europe, enlightened Europe, comes down hard on the practice. Every child has a right to know and be raised by his parents. To be connected to the long and deep ancestry to which he belongs. It's a crime against his rights to deny him his identity.

 

[bripat9643]

One, when performed by opposing genders can, and often does created population, the other is a form of masturbation.

What about the above do you not understand

That is why a tricycle and a jet are both referred to as modes of transportation, but only one required a license.

Are you really that simple?

Yes, she is. When they know they have lost the point, they pretend to be stupid and incapable of committing logic.

Says the individual ridiculously arguing that procreation has anything to do with civil marriage. What state requires procreation for a marriage license? None is it?

Why do the phrases "dial the number" and "tape the show" exist when no one is any longer making rotary telephones or VCR machines?

Think McFly, think!

Oh, so you can cite when procreation was EVER a requirement for a marriage license? When did this requirement ever exist and when did it go away?

It was a natural outcome of being married throughout all of human history up until the invention of the birth control pill.

There was a very high signal to noise ratio that the few infertile couples who did get married or the old couples who remarried didn't erode the justification for the institution. That's why there is no test.

Times have changed but the institution is behind the times. There is no valid reason for society to grant benefits to a man and a woman who get married solely because they love each other and then don't have children. This is now becoming more common due to birth control. Society gets absolutely no benefit from a childless married couple.

Liberals would be the first to object if any politician suggest imposing a fertility test as a condition of getting married.

 

[Seawytch]

Yes, she is. When they know they have lost the point, they pretend to be stupid and incapable of committing logic.

Says the individual ridiculously arguing that procreation has anything to do with civil marriage. What state requires procreation for a marriage license? None is it?

Why do the phrases "dial the number" and "tape the show" exist when no one is any longer making rotary telephones or VCR machines?

Think McFly, think!

Oh, so you can cite when procreation was EVER a requirement for a marriage license? When did this requirement ever exist and when did it go away?

It was a natural outcome of being married throughout all of human history up until the invention of the birth control pill.

There was a very high signal to noise ratio that the few infertile couples who did get married or the old couples who remarried didn't erode the justification for the institution. That's why there is no test.

Times have changed but the institution is behind the times. There is no valid reason for society to grant benefits to a man and a woman who get married solely because they love each other and then don't have children. This is now becoming more common due to birth control. Society gets absolutely no benefit from a childless married couple.

Liberals would be the first to object if any politician suggest imposing a fertility test as a condition of getting married.

Oh, I believe most thinking people, liberal or conservative, would balk at such a requirement.

 

[bripat9643]

So, you think the government should rank kinds of sex and award marriage licenses based on what kind of sex one can or does perform?

It already does.

Oh...so missionary position sex gets a different license than oral sex gets?

One, when performed by opposing genders can, and often does created population, the other is a form of masturbation.

What about the above do you not understand

That is why a tricycle and a jet are both referred to as modes of transportation, but only one required a license.

Are you really that simple?

Yes, she is. When they know they have lost the point, they pretend to be stupid and incapable of committing logic.

Says the individual ridiculously arguing that procreation has anything to do with civil marriage. What state requires procreation for a marriage license? None is it?

Only a brain damaged moron would insist that marriage has nothing to do with procreation. Marriage is a prerequisite for procreation, not the other away around. The homo marriage dolts can even seem to get the sequence of events right.

 

[bripat9643]

Says the individual ridiculously arguing that procreation has anything to do with civil marriage. What state requires procreation for a marriage license? None is it?

Why do the phrases "dial the number" and "tape the show" exist when no one is any longer making rotary telephones or VCR machines?

Think McFly, think!

Oh, so you can cite when procreation was EVER a requirement for a marriage license? When did this requirement ever exist and when did it go away?

It was a natural outcome of being married throughout all of human history up until the invention of the birth control pill.

There was a very high signal to noise ratio that the few infertile couples who did get married or the old couples who remarried didn't erode the justification for the institution. That's why there is no test.

Times have changed but the institution is behind the times. There is no valid reason for society to grant benefits to a man and a woman who get married solely because they love each other and then don't have children. This is now becoming more common due to birth control. Society gets absolutely no benefit from a childless married couple.

Liberals would be the first to object if any politician suggest imposing a fertility test as a condition of getting married.

Oh, I believe most thinking people, liberal or conservative, would balk at such a requirement.

Nevertheless, that's exactly what all the homos and their apologists in this forum are suggesting.

 

[bripat9643]

Yes Pop, we have sex, we have relationships and we have children. We also have legal civil marriage in 19 states and the District of Columbia. Our inability to procreate with each other, is not a consideration in whether or not we achieve marriage equality. Your strawman is irrelevant and your analogy way off. It is more like you wish to deny me a license because my car runs on something other than gasoline.

It may not be a consideration for you, but it is a consideration for the voters and for rational people. The is no rational basis to extend marriage to gay couples. None.

Actually, the rational judges are ruling against what voters and legislators did. Voters have changed their minds too since those initiatives passed.

Civil Rights should never be put to majority vote.

Those aren't rational judges. They are partisan hacks. There is no civil right for gay people to marry. Marriage is the union of a man and a woman, and that's all it will ever be. So called "gay marriage" is an oxymoron.

Riiiggght...despite the FACT that judges appointed by both Democrats and Republicans have ruled for marriage equality..."procreation boy" calls them partisan.

Name the judges appointed by Republicans who have ruled against state constitutional amendments outlawing "gay marriage."

 

[Jarhead]

Why do the phrases "dial the number" and "tape the show" exist when no one is any longer making rotary telephones or VCR machines?

Think McFly, think!

Oh, so you can cite when procreation was EVER a requirement for a marriage license? When did this requirement ever exist and when did it go away?

It was a natural outcome of being married throughout all of human history up until the invention of the birth control pill.

There was a very high signal to noise ratio that the few infertile couples who did get married or the old couples who remarried didn't erode the justification for the institution. That's why there is no test.

Times have changed but the institution is behind the times. There is no valid reason for society to grant benefits to a man and a woman who get married solely because they love each other and then don't have children. This is now becoming more common due to birth control. Society gets absolutely no benefit from a childless married couple.

Liberals would be the first to object if any politician suggest imposing a fertility test as a condition of getting married.

Oh, I believe most thinking people, liberal or conservative, would balk at such a requirement.

Nevertheless, that's exactly what all the homos and their apologists in this forum are suggesting.

Be honest. Those that are suggesting it are responding to your statement that marriage is between two adults that can reproduce...as you said in another thread. So whereas it is ridiculous to suggest that a fertility test should be part of getting a license to marry, it is a response to an equally ridiculous statement.

 

[Seawytch]

One, when performed by opposing genders can, and often does created population, the other is a form of masturbation.

What about the above do you not understand

That is why a tricycle and a jet are both referred to as modes of transportation, but only one required a license.

Are you really that simple?

Yes, she is. When they know they have lost the point, they pretend to be stupid and incapable of committing logic.

Says the individual ridiculously arguing that procreation has anything to do with civil marriage. What state requires procreation for a marriage license? None is it?

Why do the phrases "dial the number" and "tape the show" exist when no one is any longer making rotary telephones or VCR machines?

Think McFly, think!

Oh, so you can cite when procreation was EVER a requirement for a marriage license? When did this requirement ever exist and when did it go away?

It was a natural outcome of being married throughout all of human history up until the invention of the birth control pill.

There was a very high signal to noise ratio that the few infertile couples who did get married or the old couples who remarried didn't erode the justification for the institution. That's why there is no test.

Times have changed but the institution is behind the times. There is no valid reason for society to grant benefits to a man and a woman who get married solely because they love each other and then don't have children. This is now becoming more common due to birth control. Society gets absolutely no benefit from a childless married couple.

What were the first civil court cases regarding marriage about? (It wasn't children)

The first registries of marriage WERE about children and procreation..,but it was a way of preventing too close a familial tie between the couple.

Civil marriage and the issuance of a license has NEVER been determined on an ability to have children.

 

[bripat9643]

Yes Pop, we have sex, we have relationships and we have children. We also have legal civil marriage in 19 states and the District of Columbia. Our inability to procreate with each other, is not a consideration in whether or not we achieve marriage equality. Your strawman is irrelevant and your analogy way off. It is more like you wish to deny me a license because my car runs on something other than gasoline.

It may not be a consideration for you, but it is a consideration for the voters and for rational people. The is no rational basis to extend marriage to gay couples. None.

There most certainly is...it's called equal protection under the law. If opposite gender couples have legal marriage, per the 14th amendment, same gender couples cannot be denied the same protections afforded under a legal marriage license.

The 14th Amendment doesn't apply.

 

[Jarhead]

It already does.

Oh...so missionary position sex gets a different license than oral sex gets?

One, when performed by opposing genders can, and often does created population, the other is a form of masturbation.

What about the above do you not understand

That is why a tricycle and a jet are both referred to as modes of transportation, but only one required a license.

Are you really that simple?

Yes, she is. When they know they have lost the point, they pretend to be stupid and incapable of committing logic.

Says the individual ridiculously arguing that procreation has anything to do with civil marriage. What state requires procreation for a marriage license? None is it?

Only a brain damaged moron would insist that marriage has nothing to do with procreation. Marriage is a prerequisite for procreation, not the other away around. The homo marriage dolts can even seem to get the sequence of events right.

Marriage is a prerequisite to procreation? So is a single mother breaking the law?

Or are you simply referring to the religious definition of marriage.

 

[bendog]

Marvelous, Bripat and Rikurzhen are now positing that marriage should be only allowed if parties pass a fertility test (which most GLBT folks can do btw) and that marriage has always been a prerequisite to getting pregnant. Marvelous.