Are Biden's issuance of presidential pardons going too far?

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I can't. Not trying to because that would conflict with the very nature of the Constitution.

So, by that, you admit that I am correct?

 

[jc456]

Now he pardoned Fauci and Milley. Pardoned from what? When have these people ever been convicted and sentenced for any crimes?

Biden pardons Fauci and Milley in an effort to guard against potential ‘revenge’ by Trump​

"WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden has pardoned Dr. Anthony Fauci, retired Gen. Mark Milley and members of the House committee that investigated the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, using the extraordinary powers of his office in his final hours to guard against potential “revenge” by the incoming Trump administration.

The decision by Biden comes after Donald Trump warned of an enemies list filled with those who have crossed him politically or sought to hold him accountable for his attempt to overturn his 2020 election loss and his role in the storming of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. Trump has selected Cabinet nominees who backed his election lies and who have pledged to punish those involved in efforts to investigate him.

“The issuance of these pardons should not be mistaken as an acknowledgment that any individual engaged in any wrongdoing, nor should acceptance be misconstrued as an admission of guilt for any offense,” Biden said in a statement. “Our nation owes these public servants a debt of gratitude for their tireless commitment to our country.”

It’s customary for a president to grant clemency at the end of his term, but those acts of mercy are usually offered to everyday Americans who have been convicted of crimes. But Biden has used the power in the broadest and most untested way possible: to pardon those who have not even been investigated yet. And with the acceptance comes a tacit admission of guilt or wrongdoing, even though those who have been pardoned have not been formally accused of any crimes."

https://wgno.com/news/health/ap-bid...-to-guard-against-potential-revenge-by-trump/

They confirm guilt of them all

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Just make it up as you go.

The Constitution defines "offenses".

Nothing about " offenses unknown or those to be named at a later date."

Wow! Repeating my own points does not win the argument for you, but loses it.

 

[Hollie]

So, by that, you admit that I am correct?

Correct about what?

 

[Edgetho]

If pardons can be retroactive for unnamed offenses why not pre-emptive?

Is there anything in the Constituion that prohibits such a thing?

Remind me to never get into another discussion with an Oozlum Bird

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Correct about what?

Everything I have posted, you basically agreed to it being correct.

 

[Hollie]

Everything I have posted, you basically agreed to it being correct.

Nonsense. I literally disagreed with most of your rants. Read what you posted and my responses.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

He already did the first time around.

Prove it

 

[martybegan]

Impeachment does count. Remember? They are never voted on. Sorry! That's an epic fail.

Impeachment is the only case of a proactive pardon we have seen so far. It's the only precedent we have.

 

[martybegan]

The only reason it "backfired" is because there's so many delusional hacks like yourself that can't act like adults.

Ah. the "Mee Soes Smartzer than youze" accusation, the typical trope of the SJW leftist idiot.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Nonsense. I literally disagreed with most of your rants. Read what you posted and my responses.

You repeated my arguments as though you agreed. Perhaps you should reread your own posts.

"Pre-emptive" is where you erred in your thinking. Pre-emptive does not mean a pardon can pardon for future crimes, which is not even a topic we are discussing. That's called immunity. Pre-emptive means prior to any actual charges or prosecution for a crime that has occurred. Biden's pardons are pre-empive if you want to think of them that way, just as Ford's pardon of Nixon.

Do I like they are getting off Scot free? No. Do I like there is nothing we can do about it? Yes! Why? Because do I like it that Trump can do the same thing, with precedent! Absolutely!

 

[martybegan]

The worst of the worst.

Biden is showing to be far worse, because with him we don't know who was actually running things the past 2 or 3 years.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Impeachment is the only case of a proactive pardon we have seen so far. It's the only precedent we have.

Not any more! Biden just named new ones to go with Hunter's pardon. Forgot that one, didn't you?

 

[martybegan]

Irrelevant as those where never implemented.

It shows the process had started, it's not a complete indictment, but further along the process than any of these other pre-emptive pardons.

I was also a unique case involving a resigning President.

 

[Marener]

Ah. the "Mee Soes Smartzer than youze" accusation, the typical trope of the SJW leftist idiot.

Your trope is to make shit up that suits your argument and then lash out at people who don't accept your fantasies.

 

[martybegan]

Your trope is to make shit up that suits your argument and then lash out at people who don't accept your fantasies.

And now you copy accusations, the pee-wee herman method used by idiot trolls everywhere.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It shows the process had started, it's not a complete indictment, but further along the process than any of these other pre-emptive pardons.

I was also a unique case involving a resigning President.

It was a pardon nonetheless and unable to be reviewed by anyone, just like these and other past pardons.

 

[Hollie]

You repeated my arguments as though you agreed. Perhaps you should reread your own posts.

"Pre-emptive" is where you erred in your thinking. Pre-emptive does not mean a pardon can pardon for future crimes, which is not even a topic we are discussing. That's called immunity. Pre-emptive means prior to any actual charges or prosecution for a crime that has occurred. Biden's pardons are pre-empive if you want to think of them that way, just as Ford's pardon of Nixon.

Do I like they are getting off Scot free? No. Do I like there is nothing we can do about it? Yes! Why? Because do I like it that Trump can do the same thing, with precedent! Absolutely!

I never repeated your arguments. That's a nonsense claim. Biden has granted a sweeping, retroactive pardon for his kid and insists that is legal. There's no reason he couldn't try and grant a Pre-emptive pardon before today's inauguration is finished.

 

[martybegan]

It was a pardon nonetheless and unable to be reviewed by anyone, just like these and other past pardons.

No one wanted to review that one, but I have a feeling people will want to review this one.

The SC already said they can look into things like this going back to Marbury vs. Madison.

 

[d0gbreath]

By pardoning people not charged with a crime Biden is admitting they are guilty of crimes.

If only Kash Patel hadn't published the list.