Arctic Sea Ice Continues Its Astonishing Streak of Lows

[skookerasbil]

Again......the alarmist hysterics don't want to tell you the cold has moved south........a normal and regular occurrence ( see my post earlier in this thread ).

Thread title should be.................


PROGRESSIVES CONTINUE THEIR ASTONISHING STREAK OF LOSE

 

[Old Rocks]

Now SSo DDumb, if there were a spike in temperature due to CO2, we would see a very slow return from that spike due to the residence time of CO2 in the atmosphere. Pretty damned obvious to anyone that understands the physics of CO2 in the atmosphere. If you need some tutoring in that;

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

There never has been, nor will there ever be a spike in temperate from CO2...and anyone who understands the physics of CO2 in the atmosphere would not claim that it can cause warming...the sensitivity of the climate to CO2 in the literature is well on its way to zero...only idiots, and truly dishonest people claim that CO2 can cause the temperature to increase.

And you are totally full of shit.

High-precision timeline for Earth’s most severe extinction

High-precision timeline for Earth’s most severe extinction

1. Seth D. Burgessa,1,
2. Samuel Bowringa, and
3. Shu-zhong Shenb

Author Affiliations

1. Edited by Dennis Kent, Rutgers University and Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, Palisades, NY, and approved January 2, 2014 (received for review September 18, 2013)
   

Abstract
The end-Permian mass extinction was the most severe loss of marine and terrestrial biota in the last 542 My. Understanding its cause and the controls on extinction/recovery dynamics depends on an accurate and precise age model. U-Pb zircon dates for five volcanic ash beds from the Global Stratotype Section and Point for the Permian-Triassic boundary at Meishan, China, define an age model for the extinction and allow exploration of the links between global environmental perturbation, carbon cycle disruption, mass extinction, and recovery at millennial timescales. The extinction occurred between 251.941 ± 0.037 and 251.880 ± 0.031 Mya, an interval of 60 ± 48 ka. Onset of a major reorganization of the carbon cycle immediately precedes the initiation of extinction and is punctuated by a sharp (3‰), short-lived negative spike in the isotopic composition of carbonate carbon. Carbon cycle volatility persists for ∼500 ka before a return to near preextinction values. Decamillenial to millennial level resolution of the mass extinction and its aftermath will permit a refined evaluation of the relative roles of rate-dependent processes contributing to the extinction, allowing insight into postextinction ecosystem expansion, and establish an accurate time point for evaluating the plausibility of trigger and kill mechanisms.

Full text available at the link.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Again......the alarmist hysterics don't want to tell you the cold has moved south........a normal and regular occurrence ( see my post earlier in this thread ).

Thread title should be.................


PROGRESSIVES CONTINUE THEIR ASTONISHING STREAK OF LOSE

And yet the ice is at its lowest levels in thousands of years...What happen to evidence and facts based thinking?

 

[westwall]

Now SSo DDumb, if there were a spike in temperature due to CO2, we would see a very slow return from that spike due to the residence time of CO2 in the atmosphere. Pretty damned obvious to anyone that understands the physics of CO2 in the atmosphere. If you need some tutoring in that;

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

There never has been, nor will there ever be a spike in temperate from CO2...and anyone who understands the physics of CO2 in the atmosphere would not claim that it can cause warming...the sensitivity of the climate to CO2 in the literature is well on its way to zero...only idiots, and truly dishonest people claim that CO2 can cause the temperature to increase.

And you are totally full of shit.

High-precision timeline for Earth’s most severe extinction

High-precision timeline for Earth’s most severe extinction

1. Seth D. Burgessa,1,
2. Samuel Bowringa, and
3. Shu-zhong Shenb

Author Affiliations

1. Edited by Dennis Kent, Rutgers University and Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, Palisades, NY, and approved January 2, 2014 (received for review September 18, 2013)

Abstract
The end-Permian mass extinction was the most severe loss of marine and terrestrial biota in the last 542 My. Understanding its cause and the controls on extinction/recovery dynamics depends on an accurate and precise age model. U-Pb zircon dates for five volcanic ash beds from the Global Stratotype Section and Point for the Permian-Triassic boundary at Meishan, China, define an age model for the extinction and allow exploration of the links between global environmental perturbation, carbon cycle disruption, mass extinction, and recovery at millennial timescales. The extinction occurred between 251.941 ± 0.037 and 251.880 ± 0.031 Mya, an interval of 60 ± 48 ka. Onset of a major reorganization of the carbon cycle immediately precedes the initiation of extinction and is punctuated by a sharp (3‰), short-lived negative spike in the isotopic composition of carbonate carbon. Carbon cycle volatility persists for ∼500 ka before a return to near preextinction values. Decamillenial to millennial level resolution of the mass extinction and its aftermath will permit a refined evaluation of the relative roles of rate-dependent processes contributing to the extinction, allowing insight into postextinction ecosystem expansion, and establish an accurate time point for evaluating the plausibility of trigger and kill mechanisms.

Full text available at the link.

And the "study" relies entirely on computer derived fiction. There are however very real glacial striations all over the world from that time so the only actual empirical evidence we have is of global ice box. Not global warming.

 

[westwall]

Again......the alarmist hysterics don't want to tell you the cold has moved south........a normal and regular occurrence ( see my post earlier in this thread ).

Thread title should be.................


PROGRESSIVES CONTINUE THEIR ASTONISHING STREAK OF LOSE

And yet the ice is at its lowest levels in thousands of years...What happen to evidence and facts based thinking?

This is pure unadulterated bull poo. Whaling vessels in the 1850's were able to sail at least 200 miles further south than they can today. Your claim is bullshit.

 

[Old Rocks]

Now SSo DDumb, if there were a spike in temperature due to CO2, we would see a very slow return from that spike due to the residence time of CO2 in the atmosphere. Pretty damned obvious to anyone that understands the physics of CO2 in the atmosphere. If you need some tutoring in that;

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

There never has been, nor will there ever be a spike in temperate from CO2...and anyone who understands the physics of CO2 in the atmosphere would not claim that it can cause warming...the sensitivity of the climate to CO2 in the literature is well on its way to zero...only idiots, and truly dishonest people claim that CO2 can cause the temperature to increase.

And you are totally full of shit.

High-precision timeline for Earth’s most severe extinction

High-precision timeline for Earth’s most severe extinction

1. Seth D. Burgessa,1,
2. Samuel Bowringa, and
3. Shu-zhong Shenb

Author Affiliations

1. Edited by Dennis Kent, Rutgers University and Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, Palisades, NY, and approved January 2, 2014 (received for review September 18, 2013)

Abstract
The end-Permian mass extinction was the most severe loss of marine and terrestrial biota in the last 542 My. Understanding its cause and the controls on extinction/recovery dynamics depends on an accurate and precise age model. U-Pb zircon dates for five volcanic ash beds from the Global Stratotype Section and Point for the Permian-Triassic boundary at Meishan, China, define an age model for the extinction and allow exploration of the links between global environmental perturbation, carbon cycle disruption, mass extinction, and recovery at millennial timescales. The extinction occurred between 251.941 ± 0.037 and 251.880 ± 0.031 Mya, an interval of 60 ± 48 ka. Onset of a major reorganization of the carbon cycle immediately precedes the initiation of extinction and is punctuated by a sharp (3‰), short-lived negative spike in the isotopic composition of carbonate carbon. Carbon cycle volatility persists for ∼500 ka before a return to near preextinction values. Decamillenial to millennial level resolution of the mass extinction and its aftermath will permit a refined evaluation of the relative roles of rate-dependent processes contributing to the extinction, allowing insight into postextinction ecosystem expansion, and establish an accurate time point for evaluating the plausibility of trigger and kill mechanisms.

Full text available at the link.

And the "study" relies entirely on computer derived fiction. There are however very real glacial striations all over the world from that time so the only actual empirical evidence we have is of global ice box. Not global warming.

What bullshit, Mr. Westwall.

The Ending of the Late Paleozoic Ice Age During the Permian Period

• J. C. Crowell

Abstract
The climate on Earth has varied between times of coolness accompanied by widespread continental glaciation and times of relative warmth when glaciers disappeared except in mountainous regions. This chapter examines the geologic record bearing on the waning and ending of the strong continental glaciations that gave way during the Permian Period to the moderate climates of the Mesozoic Era. The direct record of the Late Paleozoic Ice Age is primarily preserved within the Gondwanan continents during Carboniferous and Permian times when Gondwana layover and near the South Pole. Since then, tectonic blocks such as those in India, have drifted northward and are now lodged within the continents of the Northern Hemisphere. An indirect record of this Gondwanan glaciation is also provided by some cyclothems preserved in Laurasian strata of the Northern Hemispere. In addition, in Siberia and Arctic Canada, probable glacial marine beds and cold-water faunas attest to mid-Permian cool climates in far-northern latitudes that were part of Laurasia. Climate interpretations based on the geochemical record, and especially plots of isotopic ratios through time, reveal as well that the ice age was a widespread worldwide event and waned rapidly in mid- Late Permian time.

Mid late Permian was well before the P-T Extinction event.

 

[Old Rocks]

Again......the alarmist hysterics don't want to tell you the cold has moved south........a normal and regular occurrence ( see my post earlier in this thread ).

Thread title should be.................


PROGRESSIVES CONTINUE THEIR ASTONISHING STREAK OF LOSE

And yet the ice is at its lowest levels in thousands of years...What happen to evidence and facts based thinking?

This is pure unadulterated bull poo. Whaling vessels in the 1850's were able to sail at least 200 miles further south than they can today. Your claim is bullshit.

Link, and full map of the ice extant for that time?

 

[skookerasbil]

Again......the alarmist hysterics don't want to tell you the cold has moved south........a normal and regular occurrence ( see my post earlier in this thread ).

Thread title should be.................


PROGRESSIVES CONTINUE THEIR ASTONISHING STREAK OF LOSE

And yet the ice is at its lowest levels in thousands of years...What happen to evidence and facts based thinking?

s0n.........you have the political IQ of a small soap dish. People have been hearing about this ice crap for decades........it falls on deaf ears now. Dummies like you think there is only one set of facts..........but nobody alive knows dick about what will happen 2 decades from now or 100 years from now. They are based upon climate "computer models" which have been wrong for decades......but you and the alarmist eggheads, being part of a religion, believe everything the rigged industry dishes out............

http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/28/climate-models-have-been-wrong-about-global-warming-for-six-decades/

 

[frigidweirdo]

Arctic Sea Ice Continues Its Astonishing Streak of Lows
By Brian Kahn

Published: March 6th, 2017Quote

Here’s your monthly reminder: something just isn’t right in the Arctic. February continued a string of record or near-record monthly sea ice lows.

Warm weather ensured Arctic sea ice hit its lowest extent ever recorded for February. Sea ice covered 5.51 million square miles, which is 455,600 square miles below average or a chunk of missing sea ice four times the size of Italy. That just isn’t normal.

Arctic Sea Ice Continues Its Astonishing Streak of Lows

I will keep posting updates until I have no more data to display...The threat to our environment is too severe.

^ Fake News

Barrow, -17F
Alert -33F
Kotelny -2F
and completing the 4 cardinal point tour around the Arctic:
Golomjannyj Is -11F

Arctic Weather Map

So, because some places are cold, this means there isn't GLOBAL warming? Er... what?

It's like saying they should close the bathrooms because YOU don't need to pee.

 

[skookerasbil]

What the climate k00ks don't want you to know.................

Read all about it HERE....its called >>>

Arctic Oscillation (AO)



https://weather.com/science/weather-explainers/news/polar-vortex-shifting-away-from-north-america-climate


http://nbc4i.com/2016/11/03/polar-vortex-this-winter-not-so-fast/


https://watchers.news/2016/10/29/arctic-polar-vortex-shift/


https://climate.ncsu.edu/climate/patterns/NAO.html


These juiceheads act like the cold has disappeared...........its moved south...........happens from time to time!!



Another example of how phony these religious OCD warmers are.............

 

[frigidweirdo]

What the climate k00ks don't want you to know.................

Read all about it HERE....its called >>>

Arctic Oscillation (AO)



https://weather.com/science/weather-explainers/news/polar-vortex-shifting-away-from-north-america-climate


http://nbc4i.com/2016/11/03/polar-vortex-this-winter-not-so-fast/


https://watchers.news/2016/10/29/arctic-polar-vortex-shift/


https://climate.ncsu.edu/climate/patterns/NAO.html


These juiceheads act like the cold has disappeared...........its moved south...........happens from time to time!!



Another example of how phony these religious OCD warmers are.............

So what is YOUR point here? What you have written doesn't seem to say much at all.

 

[skookerasbil]

What the climate k00ks don't want you to know.................

Read all about it HERE....its called >>>

Arctic Oscillation (AO)



https://weather.com/science/weather-explainers/news/polar-vortex-shifting-away-from-north-america-climate


http://nbc4i.com/2016/11/03/polar-vortex-this-winter-not-so-fast/


https://watchers.news/2016/10/29/arctic-polar-vortex-shift/


https://climate.ncsu.edu/climate/patterns/NAO.html


These juiceheads act like the cold has disappeared...........its moved south...........happens from time to time!!



Another example of how phony these religious OCD warmers are.............

So what is YOUR point here? What you have written doesn't seem to say much at all.

Click on any of the links s0n........but most people wouldn't even need to do that!!

 

[frigidweirdo]

What the climate k00ks don't want you to know.................

Read all about it HERE....its called >>>

Arctic Oscillation (AO)



https://weather.com/science/weather-explainers/news/polar-vortex-shifting-away-from-north-america-climate


http://nbc4i.com/2016/11/03/polar-vortex-this-winter-not-so-fast/


https://watchers.news/2016/10/29/arctic-polar-vortex-shift/


https://climate.ncsu.edu/climate/patterns/NAO.html


These juiceheads act like the cold has disappeared...........its moved south...........happens from time to time!!



Another example of how phony these religious OCD warmers are.............

So what is YOUR point here? What you have written doesn't seem to say much at all.

Click on any of the links s0n........but most people wouldn't even need to do that!!

Look, this is YOUR argument. Sources aren't there for people to be clicking on unless they want to verify that the information you used for your argument might be different to how you're stating it.

Make your argument, back it up with information that you POST, and then provide the sources to go with this. It's not hard is it?

 

[skookerasbil]

What the climate k00ks don't want you to know.................

Read all about it HERE....its called >>>

Arctic Oscillation (AO)



https://weather.com/science/weather-explainers/news/polar-vortex-shifting-away-from-north-america-climate


http://nbc4i.com/2016/11/03/polar-vortex-this-winter-not-so-fast/


https://watchers.news/2016/10/29/arctic-polar-vortex-shift/


https://climate.ncsu.edu/climate/patterns/NAO.html


These juiceheads act like the cold has disappeared...........its moved south...........happens from time to time!!



Another example of how phony these religious OCD warmers are.............

So what is YOUR point here? What you have written doesn't seem to say much at all.

Click on any of the links s0n........but most people wouldn't even need to do that!!

Look, this is YOUR argument. Sources aren't there for people to be clicking on unless they want to verify that the information you used for your argument might be different to how you're stating it.

Make your argument, back it up with information that you POST, and then provide the sources to go with this. It's not hard is it?

s0n......the way threads work in a community forum is information is posted in a number of posts. That's why they call it a thread, thus, my argument goes waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in the post count. Nobody pays me for this.....readers are either all in on a thread or they are what we call trolls. Just sayin'........that's how it works

 

[frigidweirdo]

What the climate k00ks don't want you to know.................

Read all about it HERE....its called >>>

Arctic Oscillation (AO)



https://weather.com/science/weather-explainers/news/polar-vortex-shifting-away-from-north-america-climate


http://nbc4i.com/2016/11/03/polar-vortex-this-winter-not-so-fast/


https://watchers.news/2016/10/29/arctic-polar-vortex-shift/


https://climate.ncsu.edu/climate/patterns/NAO.html


These juiceheads act like the cold has disappeared...........its moved south...........happens from time to time!!



Another example of how phony these religious OCD warmers are.............

So what is YOUR point here? What you have written doesn't seem to say much at all.

Click on any of the links s0n........but most people wouldn't even need to do that!!

Look, this is YOUR argument. Sources aren't there for people to be clicking on unless they want to verify that the information you used for your argument might be different to how you're stating it.

Make your argument, back it up with information that you POST, and then provide the sources to go with this. It's not hard is it?

s0n......the way threads work in a community forum is information is posted in a number of posts. That's why they call it a thread, thus, my argument goes waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in the post count. Nobody pays me for this.....readers are either all in on a thread or they are what we call trolls. Just sayin'........that's how it works

Yeah, well, I hold myself to higher standards than what would just make a pass in 3rd grade... Just sayin'....... that's how it works.

 

[skookerasbil]

What the climate k00ks don't want you to know.................

Read all about it HERE....its called >>>

Arctic Oscillation (AO)



https://weather.com/science/weather-explainers/news/polar-vortex-shifting-away-from-north-america-climate


http://nbc4i.com/2016/11/03/polar-vortex-this-winter-not-so-fast/


https://watchers.news/2016/10/29/arctic-polar-vortex-shift/


https://climate.ncsu.edu/climate/patterns/NAO.html


These juiceheads act like the cold has disappeared...........its moved south...........happens from time to time!!



Another example of how phony these religious OCD warmers are.............

So what is YOUR point here? What you have written doesn't seem to say much at all.

Click on any of the links s0n........but most people wouldn't even need to do that!!

Look, this is YOUR argument. Sources aren't there for people to be clicking on unless they want to verify that the information you used for your argument might be different to how you're stating it.

Make your argument, back it up with information that you POST, and then provide the sources to go with this. It's not hard is it?

s0n......the way threads work in a community forum is information is posted in a number of posts. That's why they call it a thread, thus, my argument goes waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in the post count. Nobody pays me for this.....readers are either all in on a thread or they are what we call trolls. Just sayin'........that's how it works

Yeah, well, I hold myself to higher standards than what would just make a pass in 3rd grade... Just sayin'....... that's how it works.

Well take a bow s0n!!. I'll take the 3rd grade pass that's winning!!

 

[frigidweirdo]

So what is YOUR point here? What you have written doesn't seem to say much at all.

Click on any of the links s0n........but most people wouldn't even need to do that!!

Look, this is YOUR argument. Sources aren't there for people to be clicking on unless they want to verify that the information you used for your argument might be different to how you're stating it.

Make your argument, back it up with information that you POST, and then provide the sources to go with this. It's not hard is it?

s0n......the way threads work in a community forum is information is posted in a number of posts. That's why they call it a thread, thus, my argument goes waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in the post count. Nobody pays me for this.....readers are either all in on a thread or they are what we call trolls. Just sayin'........that's how it works

Yeah, well, I hold myself to higher standards than what would just make a pass in 3rd grade... Just sayin'....... that's how it works.

Well take a bow s0n!!. I'll take the 3rd grade pass that's winning!!

Do you actually have anything worthwhile to say or not? Because I could just stick you on ignore so I don't have to put up with this nonsense.

 

[SSDD]

What do you suppose the arctic has looked like for most of the past 10,00 years? How do you suppose the volume of ice today compares to the ice 900 years ago.....or 2000 years ago...or 6800 years ago....or 7800 years ago...or for the vast majority of the past 10,000 years?

You hand waving glassy eyed chanting cult hysterics have to be one of the stupidest groups of people to have come down the chute. Is it your politics that requires you to be this senseless or do you hold your political position because you are senseless?

This would be an excellent point if at any time in human history before now, the world had 7 billion people to feed with a large percentage living in tropical and/or oceanfront areas.

What does that have to do with natural cycles...we are only along for the ride on this rock and have zero control over things as big as the climate.

 

[Old Rocks]

What do you suppose the arctic has looked like for most of the past 10,00 years? How do you suppose the volume of ice today compares to the ice 900 years ago.....or 2000 years ago...or 6800 years ago....or 7800 years ago...or for the vast majority of the past 10,000 years?

You hand waving glassy eyed chanting cult hysterics have to be one of the stupidest groups of people to have come down the chute. Is it your politics that requires you to be this senseless or do you hold your political position because you are senseless?

This would be an excellent point if at any time in human history before now, the world had 7 billion people to feed with a large percentage living in tropical and/or oceanfront areas.

What does that have to do with natural cycles...we are only along for the ride on this rock and have zero control over things as big as the climate.

Here we go again. The idiot argument that we are just too small to affect anything on this planet. Well about 2 billion years ago, a single celled organism completely changed the Earth's atmosphere.

 

[SSDD]

What do you suppose the arctic has looked like for most of the past 10,00 years? How do you suppose the volume of ice today compares to the ice 900 years ago.....or 2000 years ago...or 6800 years ago....or 7800 years ago...or for the vast majority of the past 10,000 years?

You hand waving glassy eyed chanting cult hysterics have to be one of the stupidest groups of people to have come down the chute. Is it your politics that requires you to be this senseless or do you hold your political position because you are senseless?

This would be an excellent point if at any time in human history before now, the world had 7 billion people to feed with a large percentage living in tropical and/or oceanfront areas.

What does that have to do with natural cycles...we are only along for the ride on this rock and have zero control over things as big as the climate.

Here we go again. The idiot argument that we are just too small to affect anything on this planet. Well about 2 billion years ago, a single celled organism completely changed the Earth's atmosphere.

I never said that we couldn't effect anything on this planet...I said that we aren't altering the global climate and after decades and billions upon billions upon billions of dollars down the toilet, you can't provide the first piece of actual observed, measured, quantified evidence demonstrating that our contribution of 17ppm of the 110ppm rise in atmospheric CO2 since the beginning of the industrial revolution is overriding natural variability...not one piece.