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No, there is no legitimate evidence, just Hasbara Fellows editing Wiki. As the official records conclude, there were only a handful of Jews in Palestine prior to 1850.
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That's as senseless now as it is every time you cut and paste it.Bzzz. wrong. The evidence for the land belonging to Jews lies in the hundreds of thousands of artifacts and archeological sites that prove without a doubt the land is ancient Jewish land. On the other hand, there is no evidence that proves there is this fictional Palestinian state or country, ever.Arab Muslim groups have made every effort to suppress the truth. Refusing to debate openly those who wish to confront the the Arab Muslim half truths and lies.
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As the ideological assault against Israel and Jews intensified on university campuses, and pro-Israel individuals began answering back to their ideological opponents, the student groups leading the pro-Palestinian charge (including such groups as the radical Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP)) decided that their tactic of unrelenting demonization of Israel was insufficient, and the best way to optimize the propaganda effect of their anti-Israel message was also to suppress or obscure opposing views.
The pronouncements of these groups are now frequently defined by the baleful whining of these ideological bullies intent on having only their views aired while suppressing the contradictory views of others. In fact, a leaked memorandum from the Binghamton University Students for Justice in Palestine chapter revealed that members would be required to never even engage in dialogue with pro-Israel groups on their campus, they would be prohibited from “engaging in any form of official collaboration, cooperation, or event co-sponsorship with [pro-Israel] student organizations and groups,” and SJP members “shall in no manner engage in any form of official collaboration with any student group which actively opposes the cause of Palestinian liberation nor with groups which have aided and abetted Zionist student organizations,” meaning, of course, that the so-called intellectual debate that universities purport to promote in exactly this type of discussion will never take place when SJP is involved.
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Its simple, the Fakestinians are fine as long as they're crying foul, but ask them to justify their claims and they refuse to even remotely speak to those asking for some honesty.
Posting links to yet another Hasbara site. How can anyone, except Zionist fanatics, take the piece seriously?
Would accept the conclusions or any assertions in a piece from Electronic Intifada?
In any case any debate with Zionists ends up with the absurd claim that God gave the land to the Jews. In a book of fiction written for and by Jews. Why debate with fanatics?
The ancestors of the native people of Palestine that now practice Islam and Judaism once practiced Roman religions, Judaism, the Samaritan religion and other religions. they are the same people that have always been there. The Zionists came from Europe.
How could the people of Pal'istan have always been there when Pal'istan didn't exist as a nation?Well, the people of Palestine have always been there, of whatever religion they worshipped. I think we know who is confused. You seem to think that Europeans that converted to Judaism have more right to Palestine than the native people who converted to different religions through the ages.
Of course there is corroborating legitimate evidence. The Ottoman census.No, there is no legitimate evidence, just Hasbara Fellows editing Wiki. As the official records conclude, there were only a handful of Jews in Palestine prior to 1850.
Well, the people of Palestine have always been there, of whatever religion they worshipped. I think we know who is confused. You seem to think that Europeans that converted to Judaism have more right to Palestine than the native people who converted to different religions through the ages.
Arab Muslim groups have made every effort to suppress the truth. Refusing to debate openly those who wish to confront the the Arab Muslim half truths and lies.
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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...ByOlS__vqjPxsr3mwZ5vUQ&bvm=bv.119745492,d.amc
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As the ideological assault against Israel and Jews intensified on university campuses, and pro-Israel individuals began answering back to their ideological opponents, the student groups leading the pro-Palestinian charge (including such groups as the radical Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP)) decided that their tactic of unrelenting demonization of Israel was insufficient, and the best way to optimize the propaganda effect of their anti-Israel message was also to suppress or obscure opposing views.
The pronouncements of these groups are now frequently defined by the baleful whining of these ideological bullies intent on having only their views aired while suppressing the contradictory views of others. In fact, a leaked memorandum from the Binghamton University Students for Justice in Palestine chapter revealed that members would be required to never even engage in dialogue with pro-Israel groups on their campus, they would be prohibited from “engaging in any form of official collaboration, cooperation, or event co-sponsorship with [pro-Israel] student organizations and groups,” and SJP members “shall in no manner engage in any form of official collaboration with any student group which actively opposes the cause of Palestinian liberation nor with groups which have aided and abetted Zionist student organizations,” meaning, of course, that the so-called intellectual debate that universities purport to promote in exactly this type of discussion will never take place when SJP is involved.
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Its simple, the Fakestinians are fine as long as they're crying foul, but ask them to justify their claims and they refuse to even remotely speak to those asking for some honesty.
How could the people of Pal'istan have always been there when Pal'istan didn't exist as a nation?
How could the people of Pal'istan have always been there when Pal'istan didn't exist as a nation?
Probably the same way that these so called "Jews" existed when "Israel" didn't exist as a nation.
There is no such thing as an Arab Hasbara, Hasbara is a Hebrew word and Jewish invention.
Here are some of the Hasbara Fellows I![]()
Palestine is the anglicized Palaestina (Latin), which is in turn the latinized word for the Greek Palaistinē of the 5th century BC.
Palaestina was the name applied to the area by the Romans from the Greek name for the area which was the name Herodotus used for his historical treatises 500 years earlier. The name Herodotus used was derived from Philistine, who were an Aegean people, probably Mycenaean Greeks, that settled in the area before there was a Judea.
Here we go again with the irrelevant off topic revisionist history according to a Jew hater. Yes, Pelestina was the name Europeans gave to the region, which had absolutely nothing to do with Muslims or Arabs. Then it was invaded by Arab Muslims and shortly thereafter, it was invaded by Ottoman's who held in to it for about 700 years up to the 20th century. Both the Arabs and the Ottomans are on record having found Jewish communities living and flourishing at the time of their invasion. And during the last 700 years of Ottoman rule there was no such thing as Palestine or Palestinians.Palaestina was the name applied to the area by the Romans from the Greek name for the area which was the name Herodotus used for his historical treatises 500 years earlier. The name Herodotus used was derived from Philistine, who were an Aegean people, probably Mycenaean Greeks, that settled in the area before there was a Judea.
It's always the same irrelevant off topic IskamoNazi talking points. And the same five to seven documents that are obviously saved on the 'puter. There really is nothing else. Create a thread about Israeli science and inventions and the topic will immediately go to the evil European Jews who stole this invented land of these invented people.Palaestina was the name applied to the area by the Romans from the Greek name for the area which was the name Herodotus used for his historical treatises 500 years earlier. The name Herodotus used was derived from Philistine, who were an Aegean people, probably Mycenaean Greeks, that settled in the area before there was a Judea.
LOL You sure do love just dreaming shit up. The philistines are a mythical construct of religious dogma and have virtually no reality in archeology.
You are just too funny, do you make this shit up yourself or are you reading some islamoNazi playbook ?
Again our subject which you seem completely incapable of respecting is that Arab muslims everywhere are desperately trying to stifle the dissenting opinion. Some are even just making shit up if they think it helps there sorry cause. Yourself or instance ;--)
Judea in reference to the Judiac ( jewish ) people and remained with that meaning for nearly 2000 years.
Judea in reference to the Judiac ( jewish ) people and remained with that meaning for nearly 2000 years.
Judea was a geographical area of highlands where "Judeans" came from, as did Judean monotheistic religious cults over time. One such cult achieved dominance in Jerusalem and we have a temple cult, that came to be called Judaism in modern times. The people took their "name" from the region, as did the religion. Judeans that survived the various conquests, and exterminations and who didn't emigrate elsewhere, eventually converted to Islam and adopted Arab culture; those who did, emigrate adopted the languages and cultures where they settled. The religion called Judaism competed with Christianity and Islam for converts but Christianity and Islam won out leaving a few pockets of die-hard believers scattered throughout Europe and the Mediterranean. Around the 12th century people got bored with calling these religious nuts jobs, Judeans, so called them "Jews" as a perjorative, regardless of their origins.
Bzzzz wrong. IslamoNazi talking points. This "no Jews ever lived in 'Fakestine'" lie is getting quite old.Bzzz. wrong. The evidence for the land belonging to Jews lies in the hundreds of thousands of artifacts and archeological sites that prove without a doubt the land is ancient Jewish land. On the other hand, there is no evidence that proves there is this fictional Palestinian state or country, ever.Arab Muslim groups have made every effort to suppress the truth. Refusing to debate openly those who wish to confront the the Arab Muslim half truths and lies.
See
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...ByOlS__vqjPxsr3mwZ5vUQ&bvm=bv.119745492,d.amc
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As the ideological assault against Israel and Jews intensified on university campuses, and pro-Israel individuals began answering back to their ideological opponents, the student groups leading the pro-Palestinian charge (including such groups as the radical Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP)) decided that their tactic of unrelenting demonization of Israel was insufficient, and the best way to optimize the propaganda effect of their anti-Israel message was also to suppress or obscure opposing views.
The pronouncements of these groups are now frequently defined by the baleful whining of these ideological bullies intent on having only their views aired while suppressing the contradictory views of others. In fact, a leaked memorandum from the Binghamton University Students for Justice in Palestine chapter revealed that members would be required to never even engage in dialogue with pro-Israel groups on their campus, they would be prohibited from “engaging in any form of official collaboration, cooperation, or event co-sponsorship with [pro-Israel] student organizations and groups,” and SJP members “shall in no manner engage in any form of official collaboration with any student group which actively opposes the cause of Palestinian liberation nor with groups which have aided and abetted Zionist student organizations,” meaning, of course, that the so-called intellectual debate that universities purport to promote in exactly this type of discussion will never take place when SJP is involved.
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Its simple, the Fakestinians are fine as long as they're crying foul, but ask them to justify their claims and they refuse to even remotely speak to those asking for some honesty.
Posting links to yet another Hasbara site. How can anyone, except Zionist fanatics, take the piece seriously?
Would accept the conclusions or any assertions in a piece from Electronic Intifada?
In any case any debate with Zionists ends up with the absurd claim that God gave the land to the Jews. In a book of fiction written for and by Jews. Why debate with fanatics?
The ancestors of the native people of Palestine that now practice Islam and Judaism once practiced Roman religions, Judaism, the Samaritan religion and other religions. they are the same people that have always been there. The Zionists came from Europe.
History of the Jews and Judaism in the Land of Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Byzantine period (324–638)
Jews probably constituted the majority of the population of Palestine until the 4th-century, when Constantine converted to Christianity.
Jews lived in at least forty-three Jewish communities in Palestine: twelve towns on the coast, in the Negev, and east of the Jordan, and thirty-one villages in Galilee and in the Jordan valley. The persecuted Jews of Palestine revolted twice against their Christian rulers. In the 5th century, the Western Roman Empire collapsed leading to Christian migration into Palestine and development of a Christian majority. Jews numbered 10–15% of the population. Judaism was the only non-Christian religion tolerated, but there were bans on Jews building new places of worship, holding public office or owning slaves. There were also two Samaritan revolts in this period.[65]
In 438, The Empress Eudocia removed the ban on Jews' praying at the Temple site and the heads of the Community in Galilee issued a call "to the great and mighty people of the Jews": "Know that the end of the exile of our people has come"!
In about 450, the Jerusalem Talmud was completed.
According to Procopius, in 533 Byzantine general Belisarius took the treasures of the Jewish temple from Vandals who had taken them from Rome.
In 611, Sassanid Persia invaded the Byzantine Empire. In 613, a Jewish revolt against the Byzantine Empire joined forces with these Persian invaders to capture Jerusalem in 614. The Jews gained autonomy in Jerusalem, until in 617 when the Persians betrayed agreements and withdrew their forces from the region. With return of the Byzantines in 628, the Byzantine Emperor Heraclius promised to restore Jewish rights and received Jewish help in ousting the Persians with the aid of Jewish leader Benjamin of Tiberias.
Middle Ages (636–1517)
After the conquest, Jewish communities began to grow and flourish. Umar allowed and encouraged Jews to settle in Jerusalem. It was first time, after almost 500 years of oppressive Christian rule, that Jews were allowed to enter and worship freely in their holy city.
In the mid-8th-century, taking advantage of the warring Islamic factions in Palestine, a false messiah named Abu Isa Obadiah of Isfahan inspired and organised a group of 10,000 armed Jews who hoped to restore the Holy Land to the Jewish nation.
In 1039, part of the synagogue in Ramla was still in ruins, probably resulting from the earthquake of 1033. Jews also returned to Rafah and documents from 1015 and 1080 attest to a significant community there.
A large Jewish community existed in Ramle and smaller communities inhabited Hebron and the coastal cities of Acre, Caesarea, Jaffa, Ashkelon and Gaza.[citation needed]Al-Muqaddasi (985) wrote that "for the most part the assayers of corn, dyers, bankers, and tanners are Jews." Under the Islamic rule, the rights of Jews and Christians were curtailed and residence was permitted upon payment of the special tax.
Between the 7th and 11th centuries, Masoretes (Jewish scribes) in the Galilee and Jerusalem were active in compiling a system of pronunciation and grammatical guides of the Hebrew language. They authorised the division of the Jewish Tanakh, known as the Masoretic Text, which is regarded as authoritative till today.
Ottoman rule (1517–1917)
The 16th-century nevertheless saw a resurgence of Jewish life in Palestine. Palestinian rabbis were instrumental producing a universally accepted manual of Jewish law and some of the most beautiful liturgical poems. Much of this activity occurred at Safed which had become a spiritual centre, a haven for mystics. Joseph Karo's comprehensive guide to Jewish law, the Shulchan Aruch, was considered so authoritative that the variant customs of German-Polish Jewry were merely added as supplement glosses. Some of the most celebrated hymns were written at in Safed by poets such as Israel Najara andSolomon Alkabetz. The town was also a centre of Jewish mysticism, notable kabbalists included Moses Cordovero and the German-born Naphtali Hertz ben Jacob Elhanan. A new method of understanding the kabbalah was developed by Palestinian mystic Isaac Luria, and espoused by his student Chaim Vital. In Safed, the Jews developed a number of branches of trade, especially in grain, spices, textiles and dyeing. In 1577, a Hebrewprinting press was established in Safed. The 8,000 or 10,000 Jews in Safed in 1555 grew to 20,000 or 30,000 by the end of the century.
Old Yishuv
Jewish life in the Land of Israel
Key events
- Aliya of Nachmanides (1267)
- Hebron and Safed massacres (1517)
- Revival of Tiberias (1563)
- Sack of Tiberias (1660)
- Hebron massacre (1834)
- Safed attack (1838)
- Jerusalem expansion
- Petach Tikva founded (1878)
Key figures
In around 1563, Joseph Nasi secured permission from Sultan Selim II to acquire Tiberias and seven surrounding villages to create a Jewish city-state. He hoped that large numbers of Jewish refugees and Marranos would settle there, free from fear and oppression; indeed, the persecuted Jews of Cori, Italy, numbering about 200 souls, decided to emigrate to Tiberias.Nasi had the walls of the town rebuilt by 1564 and attempted to turn it into a self-sufficient textile manufacturing center by planting mulberry trees for the cultivation of silk. Nevertheless, a number of factors during the following years contributed to the plan's ultimate failure. Nasi's aunt, Doña Gracia Mendes Nasi supported ayeshiva in the town for many years until her death in 1569.
- Ishtori Haparchi (d. 1313)
- Joseph Saragossi (d. 1507)
- Obadiah MiBartenura (d. 1515)
- Levi ibn Habib (d. 1545)
- Jacob Berab (d. 1546)
- Joseph Nasi (d. 1579)
- Moses Galante (d. 1689)
- Moses ibn Habib (d. 1696)
- Yehuda he-Hasid (d. 1700)
- Haim Abulafia (d. 1744)
- Menachem Mendel (d. 1788)
- Haim Farhi (d. 1820)
- Jacob Saphir (d. 1886)
- Haim Aharon Valero (d. 1923)
In 1567, a Yemenite scholar and Rabbi, Zechariah Dhahiri, visited Safed and wrote of his experiences in a book entitled Sefer Ha-Musar. His vivid descriptions of the town Safed and of Rabbi Joseph Karo’s yeshiva are of primary importance to historians, seeing that they are a first-hand account of these places, and the only extant account which describes the yeshiva of the great Sephardic Rabbi, Joseph Karo.[127]
In 1576, the Jewish community of Safed faced an expulsion order: 1,000 prosperous families were to be deported to Cyprus, "for the good of the said island", with another 500 the following year.[128] The order was later rescinded due to the realisation of the financial gains of Jewish rental income.[129] In 1586, the Jews of Istanbul agreed to build a fortified khan to provide a refuge for Safed's Jews against "night bandits and armed thieves."[128]
In 1569, the Radbaz moved to Jerusalem, but soon moved to Safed to escape the high taxes imposed on Jews by the authorities.
In 1610, the Yochanan ben Zakai Synagogue in Jerusalem was completed.[130] It became the main synagogue of the Sephardic Jews, the place where their chief rabbi was invested. The adjacent study hall which had been added by 1625 later became the Synagogue of Elijah the Prophet.[130]
Installation of the Chacham Bashi at the Ben Zakai Synagogue, 1893. According to legend, the synagogue stands on the site of the study hall of 1st-century sage, RabbanYochanan ben Zakai. The current building was constructed in 1610.
The Near East earthquake of 1759 destroys much of Safed killing 2000 people with 190 Jews among the dead, and also destroys Tiberias.
The disciples of the Vilna Gaon settled in the land of Israel almost a decade after the arrival of two of his pupils, R. Hayim of Vilna and R. Israel ben Samuel of Shklov. In all there were three groups of the Gaon's students which emigrated to the land of Israel. They formed the basis of the Ashkenazi communities of Jerusalem and Safed, setting up what was known as the Kollel Perushim. Their arrival encouraged an Ashkenazi revival in Jerusalem, whose Jewish community until this time was mostly Sephardi. Many of the descendants of the disciples became leading figures in modern Israeli society. The Gaon himself also set forth with his pupils to the Land, but for an unknown reason he turned back and returned to Vilna where he died soon after.
During the Peasants' Revolt under Muhammad Ali of Egypt's occupation, Jews were targeted in the 1834 looting of Safed and the 1834 Hebron massacre. By 1844,some sources report that Jews had become the largest population group in Jerusalem and by 1890 an absolute majority in the city.
Edited Wiki and Hasbara fantasy doesn't prove anything.
I provided an official Governmental source.