Zone1 Appreciating/Loving Jesus

[Meriweather]

Now in more enlightened times its popularity is fast disappearing as its untruths become self evidently false .

What do you consider untruths?

 

[Meriweather]

All the Jesus material is old hat in terms of its historical roots. Way, way before his time .
But it took extremists from his circle to then invent a News story to promote what became a Cult.
Mainly the nonsense about the Crucifixion, Resurrection and the notion of theTrinity .
Without those fabrications it is just a tale about a nice chap who had picked up eastern traditions and tried to apply them.

Without the crucifixion and resurrections would there have been a story? What are you imagining the world would be like if no one heard of Jesus or his story? It is a pretty big hole to fill...what would best replace it?

 

[OneIsTheWord]

This is for people of all faiths/beliefs and of no belief. It is about Jesus’ basic teachings.

A well-known teaching from Leviticus was wonderfully put into these words by Hillel: What is hateful to you, do not do to others. What a great proverb, a terrific slogan.

Ever try opposites to see how that works. I have had fun doing that all my life, and as a young adult first reading about Hillel, I was delighted with the idea Jesus perhaps enjoyed playing with opposites as well. Jesus remarked, Do to others what you would like others to do for you.

Another thought that was presented in Jewish writing is that love of the law leads to love of God. Christianity took the opposite approach of love of God leads to love of God’s Laws/Ways.

Without letting religion get into the way—at least overly much--what is it that draws you not only to Jesus, but to any religious figure? What is loved and appreciated about them?

Wise Words ​

 

[lg325]

Without the crucifixion and resurrections would there have been a story? What are you imagining the world would be like if no one heard of Jesus or his story? It is a pretty big hole to fill...what would best replace it?

It would end up run by Barbarians and whoever had the mightiest and most ruthless army.

 

[OneIsTheWord]

John 17:1-26 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do.
And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
"I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word.
Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You.
For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me.
I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them.
Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are.
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves.
I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.
I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one.
They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.
Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world.
And for their sakes, I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth.
"I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.
And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:
I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. O, righteous Father! The world has not known You, but I have known You; these have known that You sent Me. And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them."

 

[OneIsTheWord]

The Trial​

Matt 27:1-27 When morning came, all the chief priests and elders of the people plotted against Jesus to put Him to death.
And when they had bound Him, they led Him away and delivered Him to Pontius Pilate the governor.
Then Judas, His betrayer, seeing that He had been condemned, was remorseful and brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, saying, "I have sinned by betraying innocent blood." And they said, "What is that to us? You see to it!"
Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed and went and hanged himself. But the chief priests took the silver pieces and said, "It is not lawful to put them into the treasury, because they are the price of blood."
And they consulted together and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in.
Therefore that field has been called the Field of Blood to this day.
Then was fulfilled what was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying, "And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the value of Him who was priced, whom they of the children of Israel priced,
and gave them for the potter's field, as the Lord directed me."
Now Jesus stood before the governor. And the governor asked Him, saying, "Are You the King of the Jews?" So Jesus said to him, "It is as you say."
And while He was being accused by the chief priests and elders, He answered nothing.
Then Pilate said to Him, "Do You not hear how many things they testify against You?"
But He answered him not one word, so that the governor marveled greatly.
Now at the feast the governor was accustomed to releasing to the multitude one prisoner whom they wished.*
and at that time they had a notorious prisoner called Barabbas.
Therefore, when they had gathered together, Pilate said to them, "Whom do you want me to release to you? Barabbas, or Jesus who is called Christ?"
For he knew that they had handed Him over because of envy.
While he was sitting on the judgment seat, his wife sent to him, saying, "Have nothing to do with that just Man, for I have suffered many things today in a dream because of Him."
But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitudes that they should ask for Barabbas and destroy Jesus.
The governor answered and said to them, "Which of the two do you want me to release to you?" They said, "Barabbas!"
Pilate said to them, "What then shall I do with Jesus who is called Christ?" They all said to him, "Let Him be crucified!"
Then the governor said, "Why, what evil has He done?" But they cried out all the more, saying, "Let Him be crucified!"
When Pilate saw that he could not prevail at all, but rather that a tumult was rising, he took water and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, "I am innocent of the blood of this just Person. You see to it."
And all the people answered and said, "His blood be on us and on our children."
Then he released Barabbas to them; and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered Him to be crucified.
Then the soldiers of the

 

[OneIsTheWord]

Four aspects of Christ and his suffering. ​

(1) physical suffering at the hands of men, tied Jesus to a post and whipped down and scorned by men for six hours non-stop after they fashion a crown and trusted upon his head, then tried by his people, and sentenced to death, he carry his cross about 3 hours across a road called by Via Dolorosa (Latin for Way of Grief or Way of Suffering) at 9 am begin to put him on the cross.

(2) physical suffering, at stretched him on the cross, drove stakes into his hands and feet, and then crucifixion, was a death of slow suffocation, every time he wanted to breathe the pain in his wrist and hands, then his feet once he could no longer use the wrist and hands. From the tip of his fingers to the tip of his toes and all in between, he felt the horrible pain of crucifixion at 12 noon.

(3) All the guilt for all the sin of all his elect, God the Father said, he bore our sin in his body and said this that Jesus Christ on the cross became the object of God’s judgment and punishment. On top of that, he took our shame, guilt, sins, complaints, selfishness, pride, and every drop of our faults, we are just one of these persons, multiply the guilt, shame, sins, etc. by a billion people, you and I could never begin to acknowledge it. The crucifixion was not just a man dying, it was the son of God, which hated sin, had no part of sin, and was bearing the guilt, the awesome powerful weight of all of the elect.

(4) part of his suffering was the fact that with those he loved, the disciples which he ate, slept, and taught with, he shared the revelation of the truth of God with them, things no one had ever heard, here he was crying out to his Father on the toughest night if it be you will let this cup pass over me, the disciples fell asleep in his moment of need. When he was hanging on the cross, he said 12 hours my God, my God why have you forsaken me, and 3 hours in hell, it was bad enough he was abandoned by his friends, but abandoned by his heavenly father, my God, my God why have you forsaken me. He knew why he came, to give his life for a ransom for many and brought up those in hell. When God saw him he saw him as sin, the sin-bearer. All the judgment of God came upon Jesus. All that God saw in Jesus was pure sin. All the judgment of God came on sin that he had hated so much; the wickedness of sin poured down his fury and came upon him. The object of God’s hatred and animosity.

(5) All the sin stored up all those years from time pass to every president, and the future God in all his fury and hatred of sin came upon the Lord Jesus Christ, he punished Jesus for your sin and my sin. Everything God the Father hated about sin he punished Jesus with, wave after wave of God’s wrath, wave after wave of God’s judgment, then it subsided and Jesus said it was finished. The final sacrifice, the atonement of the son of the elect, Suddenly was over and then Jesus said, into thy hands I commend my spirit, there is no death like the death of Jesus, cause no one ever bore the weight of our sin or the wrath of God as he did. The grace of God the Father. For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.

 

[shockedcanadian]

And all those basic ideas were around before there were any organized religions.

Really? Maybe you and I read from different history books.

 

[OneIsTheWord]

 

[Meriweather]

It would end up run by Barbarians and whoever had the mightiest and most ruthless army.

Jesus' mission wasn't about how to run or even rule the world. It was more about the best care we can offer those in our immediate vicinity.

Remember, the Jews were a people set apart and weren't that interested in involving outsiders--or being involved with outsiders. Their scrolls weren't widely read outside of their community. If not for Jesus, would many of known about seeking God, finding a relationship with Him?

For that matter would Islam have even developed. Muhammad was inspired to by Jews and Christians to have a national religion for his own people.

Religion does unite people. Without Christianity would the world and/or nations be more divided? What would be our greatest belief?

 

[Blues Man]

Really? Maybe you and I read from different history books.

You think the bible is a history book , it isn't.

 

[there4eyeM]

You think the bible is a history book , it isn't.

On the contrary, the Bible is a history book, at least of human psychology.

 

[Blues Man]

On the contrary, the Bible is a history book, at least of human psychology.

No it isn't.

It's fiction that just happens to use a specific historical time as a background.