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Should tar and feather Barry O'bama and then send him back from where he came, Kenya, Indonesia, doesn't matter, take your pick.
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Should tar and feather Barry O'bama and then send him back from where he came, Kenya, Indonesia, doesn't matter, take your pick.
Are you're so called "Palestinians" Arabs? You can't have a peace agreement with a nonexistent country now can we? But come on now.. Tell me you liked the videos. If you didn't watch then you should, one of the greatest military slaughters in the history of warfare
Hater...
georgephillip
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What historical proof do you have for the claim that Arabs "would have slaughtered all the Jews" had Islam "won all those wars?" Do you honestly believe the US would have allowed the Arabs to win any of those wars?
Your arrogant assumption about irrelevant facts and Israel's immortal existence reminds me of Nazis proclaiming their "Thousand Year Reich" and white South Africans maintaining their ethnic "superiority" as both racist states were swirling History's drain.
Some Jews are among the most brilliant lights this specie has yet produced; however, the Jewish State of Israel, as it presently exists, isn't guaranteed eternal dominion over the Arab much less a "right to exist" in its current form.
As more and more Americans wake up to the racist nature of the Jewish state in the same way they awoke to South Africa in the 1980s, Israel will follow in the footsteps of its African partner.
Probably through the same mechanism, i.e., cutting the financial head off the racist enterprise through banking sanctions that make it impossible to pay for imports or receive payments for exports.
"SWIFT (Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication) links 8,740 financial institutions in 209 countries. Without access to SWIFT and its interbank payment network, countries are unable either to pay for imports or to receive payment for exports. In short, no payment -- no trade."
To End the Occupation
The U.S. Wasn't even involved at that time idiot. And they did stand by for a while, when they knew the Jews were being slaughtered in Europe. The U.S. would have done nothing at that time, and if you don't believe those muslim bastards would have killed all the Jews they could, You're in serious denial
The Jews seek no empire hater, they only want a small little piece of land in the Mideast, their ancestral homeland, they have given back much more conquered land then they now have.
Well I'll say this..If Israel ever falls the rest of the free world is not far behind
Maybe the rest of the world should worry about the muslim Arabs persecution of their own people.. The Israeli Arabs are fine more freedom then most Arab muslim countries
Dream on... it aint gonna happen. Look....all the Arabs had to do was show the world they could have a functioning society next to Israel, look what happened a new terrorist entity was formed..
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mdn2000
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Racist nature of the Jewish state, must be a simple mistake on your part, as you know Arabs and Jews are the same race. If you speak of Judaism as to being racist than you let me correct you, there are Jews from Africa living in Israel, there are Jews from dozens of ethnicities living in Israel.
You cannot even say its a religious divide, Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are all practiced in Jerusalem. Jews did not destroy the Mosque built atop Solomon's temple.
Nope, the average person on either side of the fence are more than happy to live together. Its just a small group within the Arab population in Israel that are the agitators and murderers. Its hard to break a long tradition ingrained into a segment of the culture. Sadly the great history of the Arabs is tribes coming to power through coups, raids, or war.
If the Jews are to survive they should march in and capture the leaders, no matter what that takes.
georgephillip
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Do you believe there's a racial component to Zionism?
"It was anti-Semitism – alone – that generated Zionism.
"Herzl could not ground his movement in anything positively Jewish. Although he sought the support of the rabbis, he personally was not devout.
"He had no special concern for Palestine, the ancient homeland; he was quite eager to accept the Kenya Highlands, at least on a temporary basis.
"He had no interest in Hebrew; he saw his Jewish state as a linguistic Switzerland.
"He had to think of race, for it was in the air; the Teutonic anti-Semites were talking of the Jews as a race,...
"Unconcerned with religion, he even proposed that an atheist, the then world-famous author, Max Nordau, should succeed him as the WZO’s President. Again, the disciple was less liberal than the master. Nordau was married to a Christian, and was afraid that his wife would be resented by the Orthodox among the ranks. [2]
"He was already married when he converted to Zionism and, despite his own Gentile wife, he soon became a confirmed Jewish racist.
"On 21 December 1903 he gave an interview to Eduard Drumont’s rabid anti-Semitic newspaper, La Libre Parole, in which he said that Zionism wasn’t a question of religion, but exclusively of race,..."Lenni Brenner: Zionism in the Age of the Dictators (Chap. 2)
There are bad people among the Arabs, Jews and Christians getting rich from the violence in the Middle East. Laying all the blame on Arabs makes it hard to take anything you write seriously.
It certainly wasn't Arabs who imposed a Jewish state in the heart of Arab oil. And that is where the current problem began.
"It was anti-Semitism – alone – that generated Zionism.
"Herzl could not ground his movement in anything positively Jewish. Although he sought the support of the rabbis, he personally was not devout.
"He had no special concern for Palestine, the ancient homeland; he was quite eager to accept the Kenya Highlands, at least on a temporary basis.
"He had no interest in Hebrew; he saw his Jewish state as a linguistic Switzerland.
"He had to think of race, for it was in the air; the Teutonic anti-Semites were talking of the Jews as a race,...
"Unconcerned with religion, he even proposed that an atheist, the then world-famous author, Max Nordau, should succeed him as the WZO’s President. Again, the disciple was less liberal than the master. Nordau was married to a Christian, and was afraid that his wife would be resented by the Orthodox among the ranks. [2]
"He was already married when he converted to Zionism and, despite his own Gentile wife, he soon became a confirmed Jewish racist.
"On 21 December 1903 he gave an interview to Eduard Drumont’s rabid anti-Semitic newspaper, La Libre Parole, in which he said that Zionism wasn’t a question of religion, but exclusively of race,..."Lenni Brenner: Zionism in the Age of the Dictators (Chap. 2)
There are bad people among the Arabs, Jews and Christians getting rich from the violence in the Middle East. Laying all the blame on Arabs makes it hard to take anything you write seriously.
It certainly wasn't Arabs who imposed a Jewish state in the heart of Arab oil. And that is where the current problem began.
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I have never been a fan of Zionism, history in Israel is not exclusive to the Zionist, if Israel's history was exclusively Zionist Israel's validity would be in question. To a large part that is why we have problems, propaganda describing Israel as Zionist is very effective.
So you will not get arguments from me when it comes to most critiques of Zionism.
Politicians do not make a nation.
hipeter924
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In which case you are the author of your own failure, as by hating Jews you only make it worse for yourself, and increase the size of the problem, the only racists here are "Anti-Zionists" like you.
"[The Holy Land was] desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds - a silent mournful expanse . . . A desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action . . . We never saw a human being on the whole route . . . There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country"
- Mark Twain, The Innocents Abroad, or The New Pilgrim's Progress (1869).
The area was underpopulated and remained economically stagnant until the arrival of the first Zionist pioneers in the 1880's, who came to rebuild the Jewish land. The country had remained "The Holy Land" in the religious and historic consciousness of mankind, which associated it with the Bible and the history of the Jewish people. Jewish development of the country also attracted large numbers of other immigrants - both Jewish and Arab.
"The road leading from Gaza to the north was only a summer track suitable for transport by camels and carts ... Houses were all of mud. No windows were anywhere to be seen.... The plows used were of wood.... The yields were very poor.... The sanitary conditions in the village [Yabna] were horrible.... Schools did not exist.... The rate of infant mortality was very high.... The western part, toward the sea, was almost a desert.... The villages in this area were few and thinly populated. Many ruins of villages were scattered over the area, as owing to the prevalence of malaria, many villages were deserted by their inhabitants."
- The report of the British Royal Commission, 1913
We found it inhabited by fellahin who lived in mud hovels and suffered severely from the prevalent malaria....Large areas...were uncultivated....The fellahin, if not themselves cattle thieves, were always ready to harbor these and other criminals. The individual plots...changed hands annually. There was little public security, and the fellahin's lot was an alternation of pillage and blackmail by their neighbors, the Bedouin.
- Lewis French, the British Director of Development
There are many proofs, such as ancient ruins, broken aqueducts, and remains of old roads, which show that it has not always been so desolate as it seems now. In the portion of the plain between Mount Carmel and Jaffa one sees but rarely a village or other sights of human life.
There are some rude mills here which are turned by the stream. A ride of half an hour more brought us to the ruins of the ancient city of Cæsarea, once a city of two hundred thousand inhabitants, and the Roman capital of Palestine, but now entirely deserted.
As the sun was setting we gazed upon the desolate harbor, once filled with ships, and looked over the sea in vain for a single sail. In this once crowded mart, filled with the din of traffic, there was the silence of the desert. After our dinner we gathered in our tent as usual to talk over the incidents of the day, or the history of the locality.
Yet it was sad, as I laid upon my couch at night, to listen to the moaning of the waves and to think of the desolation around us.
- by B. W. Johnson, in Young Folks in Bible Lands: Chapter IV, 1892
Then we entered the hill district, and our path lay through the clattering bed of an ancient stream, whose brawling waters have rolled away into the past, along with the fierce and turbulent race who once inhabited these savage hills. There may have been cultivation here two thousand years ago. The mountains, or huge stony mounds environing this rough path, have level ridges all the way up to their summits; on these parallel ledges there is still some verdure and soil: when water flowed here, and the country was thronged with that extraordinary population, which, according to the Sacred Histories, was crowded into the region, these mountain steps may have been gardens and vineyards, such as we see now thriving along the hills of the Rhine. Now the district is quite deserted, and you ride among what seem to be so many petrified waterfalls. We saw no animals moving among the stony brakes; scarcely even a dozen little birds in the whole course of the ride.
- by William Thackeray in From Jaffa To Jerusalem, 1844
- Mark Twain, The Innocents Abroad, or The New Pilgrim's Progress (1869).
The area was underpopulated and remained economically stagnant until the arrival of the first Zionist pioneers in the 1880's, who came to rebuild the Jewish land. The country had remained "The Holy Land" in the religious and historic consciousness of mankind, which associated it with the Bible and the history of the Jewish people. Jewish development of the country also attracted large numbers of other immigrants - both Jewish and Arab.
"The road leading from Gaza to the north was only a summer track suitable for transport by camels and carts ... Houses were all of mud. No windows were anywhere to be seen.... The plows used were of wood.... The yields were very poor.... The sanitary conditions in the village [Yabna] were horrible.... Schools did not exist.... The rate of infant mortality was very high.... The western part, toward the sea, was almost a desert.... The villages in this area were few and thinly populated. Many ruins of villages were scattered over the area, as owing to the prevalence of malaria, many villages were deserted by their inhabitants."
- The report of the British Royal Commission, 1913
We found it inhabited by fellahin who lived in mud hovels and suffered severely from the prevalent malaria....Large areas...were uncultivated....The fellahin, if not themselves cattle thieves, were always ready to harbor these and other criminals. The individual plots...changed hands annually. There was little public security, and the fellahin's lot was an alternation of pillage and blackmail by their neighbors, the Bedouin.
- Lewis French, the British Director of Development
There are many proofs, such as ancient ruins, broken aqueducts, and remains of old roads, which show that it has not always been so desolate as it seems now. In the portion of the plain between Mount Carmel and Jaffa one sees but rarely a village or other sights of human life.
There are some rude mills here which are turned by the stream. A ride of half an hour more brought us to the ruins of the ancient city of Cæsarea, once a city of two hundred thousand inhabitants, and the Roman capital of Palestine, but now entirely deserted.
As the sun was setting we gazed upon the desolate harbor, once filled with ships, and looked over the sea in vain for a single sail. In this once crowded mart, filled with the din of traffic, there was the silence of the desert. After our dinner we gathered in our tent as usual to talk over the incidents of the day, or the history of the locality.
Yet it was sad, as I laid upon my couch at night, to listen to the moaning of the waves and to think of the desolation around us.
- by B. W. Johnson, in Young Folks in Bible Lands: Chapter IV, 1892
Then we entered the hill district, and our path lay through the clattering bed of an ancient stream, whose brawling waters have rolled away into the past, along with the fierce and turbulent race who once inhabited these savage hills. There may have been cultivation here two thousand years ago. The mountains, or huge stony mounds environing this rough path, have level ridges all the way up to their summits; on these parallel ledges there is still some verdure and soil: when water flowed here, and the country was thronged with that extraordinary population, which, according to the Sacred Histories, was crowded into the region, these mountain steps may have been gardens and vineyards, such as we see now thriving along the hills of the Rhine. Now the district is quite deserted, and you ride among what seem to be so many petrified waterfalls. We saw no animals moving among the stony brakes; scarcely even a dozen little birds in the whole course of the ride.
- by William Thackeray in From Jaffa To Jerusalem, 1844
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A British missionary who lived in Beirut and visited Palestine in 1859 described the southern coastal area as "a very ocean of wheat," and the British Consul in Jerusalem, James Finn, reported that "the fields would do credit to British farming."(5)
The German geographer Alexander Scholch concluded that between 1856 and 1882 "Palestine produced a relatively large agricultural surplus which was marketed in neighboring countries, such as Egypt and Lebanon, and increasingly exported to Europe. These exports included wheat, barley, dura, maise, sesame, olive oil, soap, oranges, vegetables and cotton. Among the European importers of Palestinian produce were France, England, Turkey, Greece, Italy and Malta."(6)
Lawrence Oliphant, who visited Palestine in 1887, wrote that Palestine's Valley of Esdraelon was "a huge green lake of waving wheat, with its village-crowned mounds rising from it like islands; and it presents one of the most striking pictures of luxuriant fertility which it is possible to conceive."(7) This Palestinian wheat had historically played an important part in international commerce. According to Paul Masson, a French economic historian, "wheat shipments from the Palestinian port of Acre had helped to save southern France from famine on numerous occasions in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries."(8)
Agricultural techniques in Palestine, especially in citriculture, were among the most advanced in the world long before the first Zionist settlers came to its shores. In 1856, the American consul in Jerusalem, Henry Gillman, "outlined reasons why orange growers in Florida would find it advantageous to adopt Palestinian techniques of grafting directly onto lemon trees."^ In 1893, the British Consul advised his government of the value of importing "young trees procured from Jaffa" to improve production in Australia and South Africa.(10)
All of this historical evidence from unimpeachable eyewitnesses destroys Israel's contention that it developed Palestine through its colonization. The legend that the Zionists have created, that they made "the desert bloom with roses," is totally without foundation. It is a ploy to gain donations from naive Jews throughout the world and to help extort economic aid from the American Congress. The economic achievements of Israel today are built totally on the capital base of lands, property and possessions usurped from the Palestinian Arabs.
Chapter 2: Encyclopedia of the Palestine Problem
The German geographer Alexander Scholch concluded that between 1856 and 1882 "Palestine produced a relatively large agricultural surplus which was marketed in neighboring countries, such as Egypt and Lebanon, and increasingly exported to Europe. These exports included wheat, barley, dura, maise, sesame, olive oil, soap, oranges, vegetables and cotton. Among the European importers of Palestinian produce were France, England, Turkey, Greece, Italy and Malta."(6)
Lawrence Oliphant, who visited Palestine in 1887, wrote that Palestine's Valley of Esdraelon was "a huge green lake of waving wheat, with its village-crowned mounds rising from it like islands; and it presents one of the most striking pictures of luxuriant fertility which it is possible to conceive."(7) This Palestinian wheat had historically played an important part in international commerce. According to Paul Masson, a French economic historian, "wheat shipments from the Palestinian port of Acre had helped to save southern France from famine on numerous occasions in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries."(8)
Agricultural techniques in Palestine, especially in citriculture, were among the most advanced in the world long before the first Zionist settlers came to its shores. In 1856, the American consul in Jerusalem, Henry Gillman, "outlined reasons why orange growers in Florida would find it advantageous to adopt Palestinian techniques of grafting directly onto lemon trees."^ In 1893, the British Consul advised his government of the value of importing "young trees procured from Jaffa" to improve production in Australia and South Africa.(10)
All of this historical evidence from unimpeachable eyewitnesses destroys Israel's contention that it developed Palestine through its colonization. The legend that the Zionists have created, that they made "the desert bloom with roses," is totally without foundation. It is a ploy to gain donations from naive Jews throughout the world and to help extort economic aid from the American Congress. The economic achievements of Israel today are built totally on the capital base of lands, property and possessions usurped from the Palestinian Arabs.
Chapter 2: Encyclopedia of the Palestine Problem
P F Tinmore
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Lie number:
1) Israeli voluntarily withdraws from the Gaza strip and gives control of the Gaza Strip to the Palestinian Arabs.
Israel withdrew but still maintained a blockade.
2) The terrorist organization of Hamas solidifies control of this area in a violent coup.
Hamas was already the elected government in office. This statement makes no sense.
3) Their mission: "Free Palestine." In other words: "Annihilate Israel."
OK, this is not a lie, but Hamas is not the only ones opposed to the occupation.
4) They murder the opposition. They exploit their own people. They preach hatred to their children.
Maybe you could clarify these vague statements.
5) Since leaving Gaza in 2005, more than 10,000 rockets were fired into Israel.
There is no border between Gaza an Sderot. Sderot is an Israeli settlement that sits inside Palestine's borders.
hipeter924
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More of this nonsense.
1) There never was a blockade of aid and supplies, but there was a blockade of weapons, which you want lifted so Hamas can arm itself and kill more Jews.
2) Hamas may have been elected by a majority, but that does not justify persecuting Christians and forming an Islamic police state within that mandate, and not holding regular or free elections.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJCGqQrxCaA[/ame]
3) Thanks for admitting the obvious, and your plan to kill all the Jews.
4) Vague? It's pretty obvious to me they are implementing sharia law, Taliban style:
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5) Arab localities in Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Arabs are less than 5% of the population around Sderot, making your assumption that the Palestinians are a majority in the area and the Israeli town there is a 'settlement' ridiculous.
But you don't recognize Israel and from what I have learned so far, it doesn't matter what the reality is to you so long as you can hate the Jews.
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I did not say it was now. It was early in 1948 before the war. Israeli forces attacked the Palestinian village of Najd and destroyed it. In 1951 Israel created the settlement of Sderot on the ruins of Najd.
P F Tinmore
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Are you're so called "Palestinians" Arabs? You can't have a peace agreement with a nonexistent country now can we? But come on now.. Tell me you liked the videos. If you didn't watch then you should, one of the greatest military slaughters in the history of warfare
Someone should tell Israel and the US because they have been trying to hammer out a peace agreement with a non existent country for almost 20 years.
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Indeed. A transfer of arabs to arab lands should become an issue of the greatest humanitarian importance the world over. The next one should be shutting the UNWRA down.
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