Anyone who sneers at pro-abortion/Nazi parallels should watch this:

[Gadawg73]

No, it's not. Progressives like to play word games; they pretend if there's a bad law that makes it legal to kill, then the killing isn't murder.

It's still murder. The law is a bad one. Just because the head of state gives permission doesn't mean it's ok. Keep that in mind in the future, when you're asked to escort granny to the doctor for euthanasiation.

In your mind it is murder as you believe it is murder.
Obvious you were spoiled as a child and now as an adult and you always get your way but abortion is not murder in America and never has been no matter how bad you want it to be.
It is not, will never be and even if Roe was overturned tomorrow it never would be murder even if it was a felony.
Quit acting like a spoiled brat 5 year old and learn the law and history of abortion.
If you put as much effort into helping women that need help as you do pouting because you can not get your way this time no telling how much good you could do.
But abortion is not murder, never has been murder in America and never will be murder in America.
Get used to it. Facts are a real ***** for spoiled brats to accept but work on it and get back to us.

 

[koshergrl]

Someone please change gadawg's diaper. He's messed himself.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Not a diversion at all. Unless you can demonstrate the imposition of abortion upon the individual then there is no comparison. Of course, I suspect imposing your views upon others is precisely where you are coming from, so there may be a comparison on your side. But certainly not upon those who would leave that decision up to the individual who has to live with it.

Unless you can demonstrate where the OP was talking about "imposition of abortion", then you're changing the subject. Of course, I suspect that was the point of your post.

Call me if you sack up and want to address the topic.

The subject is the comparison between the "pro-abortionists" and the nazis. I am discussing the comparison, or rather the lack thereof. Call me if you sack up and want to address my points rather than just pretend they don't matter.

::sigh:: Here's the OP:

Nazi Medicine: The Cross and the Star

In the first 10 minutes you will hear every single proposal and argument you have ever heard from progressives who support abortion and euthanasia. It's chilling.

Watch Nazi Medicine / The Cross and the Star: Double Feature Online | Netflix

Here's the second post in the thread (also from the Original Poster):

Keep in mind the doctors were at the heart of the death camps.

"NAZI MEDICINE is considered "a work of truth and timeliness" (Allan A. Ryan, U.S. Department of Justice) that studies the step-by-step process that led the German medical profession down an unethical road to genocide. It graphically documents the racial theories and eugenics principles that set the stage for the doctors' participation in sterilization and euthanasia, the selections at the death camps, as well as inhuman and unethical human experimentation. It is "a chilling chronicle of the road traveled by the Nazi physicians from providing a medical justification for the 1933 Nuremberg sterilization laws to trying to justify their role in the holocaust as defendants in the 1946-7 Nuremberg Doctor s Trial." (George Annas, co-editor, 'The Nazi Doctors and the Nuremberg Code'). It also "obliges us to see how our tragic American history in eugenics theory helped to prepare the way for Nazi racial laws, especially sterilization legislation." (Robert F. Drinan, Professor, Georgetown University Law Center)"


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And here's the third post from the Original Poster:

In 1975 Germany nixed legalizing abortion based on recognition of the slippery slope they had previously descended.

In 1972, we legalized it.

Go figure. America has always been the breeding ground and support of negative eugenics in all its depravity. We still are, and we're poised to take it even further. You'll hear people on here railing for mass euthanisations of coma patients and disabled children. It's common, and it's accepted, rhetoric in the US. And when you remind them of the German descent into madness, and point out how it started and what the worst elements were (doctor-guided death camps, justified by the goal of "improving" the population) they laugh and post images of kitty cats and change the subject.

It's the same thing. Only more disgusting now than it was then...at least then the goal was to improve and increase the population of a group of people...now the goal is to eliminate mankind altogether.

Nazis propagandists also claimed the way to eliminate poverty and sickness was to abort/euthanise certain groups.

So you tell me. Is the thread about comparing laws and governmental behaviors between Nazis and modern American progressives, or is it about comparing attitudes and philosophies?

Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing. You should get some. Of course, that would still require you to have actually READ the posts, and I really doubt you did.

 

[Lipush]

Sure it is, you just confirmed it. "It's not murder if it's legal!"

You're wrong, of course.

If I may join the discussion by asking a simple question.

Why can a woman decide for herself about marriage, future decision, but is not allowed to chose radical decisions concerning her body and health?

Isn't the right of wanting to become a parent the same as the right NOT TO?

 

[Lipush]

There is no comparison between Nazism and pro-abortion. I don't get where this thinking comes from, anyway.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Killing the unborn isn't freedom. It's a human rights violation and it represents a huge step away from individual liberty and the concept of human rights.

Just as euthanasia is.

Is it freedom for government to say to a woman or young girl that they must carry the pregnancy to term, and that her womb is now the property of the state?

I think thats what she means, Older, pasty, white men deciding what women can & can't do, just like the bible

Tell me, has this shamelessly pathetic pandering and sucking-up to women EVER gotten you laid? Even once?

You DO know how utterly ridiculous it sounds, you coming in here and telling a pair of WOMEN how pro-life positions are all about MEN oppressing women, right? In fact, if I'm not mistaken, KG and I are both Caucasian, as well.

 

[koshergrl]

There is no comparison between Nazism and pro-abortion. I don't get where this thinking comes from, anyway.

Read the thread, all will be revealed, nitwit.

 

[Cecilie1200]

There's nothing deluded about it. I hear the exact same crap out of the putrid pie holes of progressives day in and day out.

Not in this thread, because they know the similarities are glaring.

No, in this thread, they're throwing around more red herrings than a fish cannery.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Godwin's Law is strong in this thread.

Allow me to refer you to posts #29 and #30 in this very thread. They weren't originally directed at you, but they serve just as well.

"It is generally accepted" is another way of saying, "We've shouted this meme into the public consciousness forever". The fact that you want to block off any chance of learning from history does not mean you have convinced everyone else to cooperate.

So here's an idea. Instead of telling us how you believe you've silenced opposition to the point where you don't have to answer questions, why don't you answer them?

* * * * *

No, Sparkles. You don't get to move on to "next" until you've dealt with "first". Just because you think shouting, "Godwin's Law! Godwin's Law!" makes Nazi Germany some irrelevant aberration with no lessons to ever be learned by anyone for anything else doesn't make it so. And I see nothing about you that recommends your arrogant and ignorant attitude toward history as a model for imitation.

So either sack up and address the point, or run the **** off with your tail between your legs screeching, "Godwin's Law!" like a mindless drone.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I'm a dyed-in-the -wool Progressive & we base our views on policy based on contemporary pragmatism (what works now regardless of mythological mores)

Interesting how you've just rationalized yourself with YET ANOTHER excuse that was also used by the Nazis. THEY thought they were "contemporary" and "pragmatic" too.

I guess Godwin's Law runs strong through whatever passes for your brain, huh?

 

[Koios]

And changing what you call a baby doesn't change it; it's still a baby.

No argument. Ditto on a fetus, embrio, gamete, and so on.

 

[Cecilie1200]

In 1975 Germany nixed legalizing abortion based on recognition of the slippery slope they had previously descended.

In 1972, we legalized it.

I think we can start undoing some of this escalation
by agreeing that the point of Roe V Wade was to get rid of the "criminalization"
aspect of the law "without due process" that got the law struck down as unconstitutional.

I'm sorry, but WHY do I have to agree to that? It's not true, so I can only assume I'm being importuned to agree with it as a way of giving a measure of respect to pro-abortionists by pretending their attitudes and behavior haven't been utterly egregious.

Ain't gonna happen.

There needs to be a consensus before any laws can be passed
to replace what was ruled out.

That is also not going to happen. Know why? Because pro-abortionists don't WANT a consensus. They don't want the people having any say about this at all. That's why they do these end-runs around written law in the courts: as a way of keeping the peasant from interfering in what the leftist elites have already decided is best for them. We already HAD a consensus, comprised of state laws duly and legally passed by either the people themselves, or their elected representatives, and Roe v. Wade tossed that consensus in the crapper in favor of Justice Blackmun's personal frigging opinion.

I firmly believe that one of the reasons that abortion remains such a contentious hot-button issue is because it was imposed on the people by fiat and taken competely out of their hands. If it had been brought about by any sort of vote, the debate would still exist, but it would be a lot calmer.

The problem remains on how NOT to target, burden, criminalize or penalize "women more than men" who are equally responsible for the pregnancy in question, if not the men being more responsible in cases of rape/incest or other coercion/abuse situations.

Nope. The problem remains a core group of elitists who are going to remake the world in their image, come hell or high water, will of the people be damned. If that core group is ever moved out of the way so that abortion law can start to reflect the will of the people, THEN the problem will be how to do it. And by the way, the idea that abortion law is going to criminalize the women is a canard propagated by the pro-abortionists, insofar as that was not the case before Roe v. Wade, and there is therefore no reason to believe it would be the case now. THEY are the ones who say that if we overturn Roe, that means we MUST penalize women, and so how are you going to punish those women? It's a debate-killing line, and nothing more.

Could stronger laws be written holding the men responsible for rape and sexual abuse?

The issue of abortion itself has been totally clouded by this other issue
that has never seriously been addressed! If you resolve that issue first,
the other issues (including abortion itself) could be more clearly addressed without all the
impossible emotional and political conflict over woman's rights getting in the way.

What makes you think the laws for rape and sexual abuse aren't strong enough? The problem with these laws vis a vis abortion isn't their strength or lack thereof, it's the fact that they're being circumvented and not enforced.

You haven't really listed any "issues" that need to be resolved. All I've seen is a lot of pro-abort propaganda that you've swallowed hook, line, and sinker as gospel truth.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Nazi Medicine: The Cross and the Star

In the first 10 minutes you will hear every single proposal and argument you have ever heard from progressives who support abortion and euthanasia. It's chilling.

Watch Nazi Medicine / The Cross and the Star: Double Feature Online | Netflix

The Nazi's were not pro-choice. They forced people to have abortions. That's the opposite of pro-choice. That's anti-choice. Do you understand what words mean?

Ohmigod, the Nazis didn't use the same euphemistic name that we do, so there are no parallels!

Spare me.

 

[del]

i can see why most people prefer you wear a ball gag.

 

[koshergrl]

i can see why most people prefer you wear a ball gag.

Scram, puke:

 

[del]

i can see why most people prefer you wear a ball gag.

Scram, puke:

bite me, crankhead

 

[koshergrl]

Nazi Medicine: The Cross and the Star

In the first 10 minutes you will hear every single proposal and argument you have ever heard from progressives who support abortion and euthanasia. It's chilling.

Watch Nazi Medicine / The Cross and the Star: Double Feature Online | Netflix

The Nazi's were not pro-choice. They forced people to have abortions. That's the opposite of pro-choice. That's anti-choice. Do you understand what words mean?

Ohmigod, the Nazis didn't use the same euphemistic name that we do, so there are no parallels!

Spare me.

Before they forced them, they "educated" them about the wonderful benefits of legalized abortion, and encouraged them to abort their own children. For health, economic and work/educational purposes. Sound familiar?

They targeted the Poles because they wanted that population to die out, to make room for families that had the stamp of approval.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Sure it is, you just confirmed it. "It's not murder if it's legal!"

You're wrong, of course.

If I may join the discussion by asking a simple question.

Why can a woman decide for herself about marriage, future decision, but is not allowed to chose radical decisions concerning her body and health?

Isn't the right of wanting to become a parent the same as the right NOT TO?

A woman IS allowed to make radical decisions concerning her body and her health. The issue in abortion, and the one leftist poltroons always pretend not to hear, is that it's NOT about HER body. An unborn baby is NOT part of her body, and mindlessly insisting that it is flies in the face of the medical and biological science that the left is normally trying to convince us they worship.

At the point where a woman decides to have sex or not to have sex, we're talking about the sam thing, and the same right. At the point where we're talking about her deciding to kill another human being, we're on completely different territory.

If you really want to join this discussion, be warned ahead of time that you WILL be forced to join it on the basis of medical fact, not on the basis of warm, fuzzy, feel-good euphemisms. The pro-lifers here have no interest in helping you feel like a nice person by just giving women what they want.

You've been warned. Don't whine later about how mean we are.

 

[Cecilie1200]

There is no comparison between Nazism and pro-abortion. I don't get where this thinking comes from, anyway.

Then you didn't read any of the OP's posts on the subject, and have no business posting in this thread.

If you can't be bothered to read what you're allegedly posting about, please shut up and don't waste our time and space.

 

[Lipush]

There is no comparison between Nazism and pro-abortion. I don't get where this thinking comes from, anyway.

Read the thread, all will be revealed, nitwit.

I have, and there is no resemblence.

Now will you please answer my question in a civilized normal manner?