Anti-Russian Propaganda Getting Real... For Effect.

This is so sad.

I just wish the West would stop putting us all into so much debt, and negotiate already.

We are all being destroyed. Ukraine, the west's economy, Russia's economy, and Ukraine, literally.

Meanwhile, the undeveloped world which depends on the rest of us. . . . . . .


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Russia's economy is just fine .
GDP boosted by the failed sanctions .
Gas and Oil selling everywhere except to the US and EU which are bankrupt and freezing .
And the US led Ukey force has yet to win a single strategic objective .
 
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This is so sad.

I just wish the West would stop putting us all into so much debt, and negotiate already.

We are all being destroyed. Ukraine, the west's economy, Russia's economy, and Ukraine, literally.

Meanwhile, the undeveloped world which depends on the rest of us. . . . . . .


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So you want to reward Russian belligerence?
 
Russia's economy is just fine .
Sure. And climate change is completely due to the activities of humans, the pandemic was a total accident, and just as serious as the media told us it was, the Sputnik V jab they mandate on every Russian soldier and citizen is safe and effective, and much better than the western versions, and all Russian propaganda is COMPLETELY TRUE!!!!!!!!

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Russia's romance with "sustainable development" is getting freaky​

Is it sustainable, though?​


Let's talk about martial law (and other things): OPEN THREAD​

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World leaders agree to cattle-tag the planet​

Washington and Moscow put aside their differences for the greater good​



First Israel Shamir, Now Paul Craig Roberts - People Are Starting to Reject the 5D Judo-Chess Narrative!​


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Now, are they in as bad a shape as the EU or Ukraine? No, probably not.

But they could probably be made to suffer, and suffer seriously, if a petroleum friendly administration was put into the white-house. Their economy is too heavily reliant on oil and gas IMO, if the folk in the WH really wanted to win this, they would make amping up domestic production and crashing world prices on that a priority.

Pro-Russian propagandists are as bad as Pro-western propagandists.

It just might be, like climate change, the pseudo-pandemic, and the previous world wars, this chaos was manufactured for a far greater agenda, by much larger players and organizations that rarely if ever, even make the news.
 
We have an open invitation to Russia. The problem is they won’t sit down unless we reward them for their belligerence.
So here is the situation.

In 2014, the US, the CIA and several western backed foundations helped stage a coup in Ukraine, while Russia and ethnic Russians protested, and the legally elected leader of Ukraine fled.

Russia denounces all of it as illegitimate, but lets it slide, while citizens of Crimea vote to leave, and laws are passed making ethnic Russians in the Donbas region second class citizens, sparking a revolt.

The US and NATO start backing far right politicians and militias in Ukraine. Atrocities like the notorious bloodbath in Odessa visited upon ethnic Russians, become frequent over the ensuing next six years.

Fast forward to December 2021, Ukraine builds up a quarter million troops along the border to Crimea and the Donbas region, and Russia desperately makes overtures to the US and NATO for a comprehensive European security structure. They are rejected, Wikileaks release CIA cabals indicated that war is preferred.

Russia builds up between a 150 to 200 thousand troops along western Ukraine and southern Belarus. It makes one last appeal to the US for a reworking of NATO, to guarantee Russian security and to keep Ukraine neutral. Russia is rebuked.

Oblasts in the Donbas vote to secede from Ukraine and join Russia. Hectic negotiations continue between DC and Moscow till late January, DC will not yield any ground at all.

And eventually invasion starts which catches the world by surprise, but does not in the least surprise the planners in DC or the capitals of Europe, and all of those bureaucrats, have, to be sure, already invested all their portfolios heavily in the weapons industry, for they have been engineering this for the past decade. Hell, they probably even rigged an election in the US to make sure it comes off. . . .
 
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So here is the situation.

In 2014, the US, the CIA and several western backed foundations helped stage a coup in Ukraine, while Russia and ethnic Russians protested, and the legally elected leader of Ukraine fled.

Russia denounces all of it as illegitimate, but lets it slide, while citizens of Crimea vote to leave, and laws are passed making ethnic Russians in the Donbas region second class citizens, sparking a revolt.

The US and NATO start backing far right politicians and militias in Ukraine. Atrocities like the notorious bloodbath in Odessa visited upon ethnic Russians, become frequent over the ensuing next six years.

Fast forward to December 2021, Ukraine builds up a quarter million troops along the border to Crimea and the Donbas region, and Russia desperately makes overtures to the US and NATO for a comprehensive European security structure. They are rejected, Wikileaks release CIA cabals indicated that war is preferred.

Russia builds up between a 150 to 200 thousand troops along western Ukraine and southern Belarus. It makes one last appeal to the US for a reworking of NATO, to guarantee Russian security and to keep Ukraine neutral. Russia is rebuked.

Oblasts in the Donbas vote to secede from Ukraine and join Russia. Hectic negotiations continue between DC and Moscow till late January, DC will not yield any ground at all.

And eventually invasion starts which catches the world by surprise, but does not in the least surprise the planners in DC or the capitals of Europe, and all of those bureaucrats, have, to be sure, already invested all their portfolios heavily in the weapons industry, for they have been engineering this for the past decade. Hell, they probably even rigged an election in the US to make sure it comes off. . . .
It’s amazing. This but of propaganda couldn’t have been written better by the Kremlin itself.

You so conveniently forgot so many details about Russian aggression and culpability.

The 2014 Ukrainian revolution was a popular uprising against a corrupt anti-democratic Russian backed leader. The Ukrainians had long been suffering under the echos of soviet corruption.

Russia didn’t “stand by”, they invaded Crimea.

The supposed massacres against Russians are nearly entirely fabricated. The clash in Odessa in 2014 started with pro-Russian mobs attacking a march for Ukrainian unity.

Russian demands for a “reworking of NATO” were absurd on their face and disgraceful to the notion of sovereignty, which Russia doesn’t understand or respect.

Russia has only their own arrogance to blame.
 
It’s amazing. This but of propaganda couldn’t have been written better by the Kremlin itself.

You so conveniently forgot so many details about Russian aggression and culpability.

The 2014 Ukrainian revolution was a popular uprising against a corrupt anti-democratic Russian backed leader. The Ukrainians had long been suffering under the echos of soviet corruption.

Russia didn’t “stand by”, they invaded Crimea.

The supposed massacres against Russians are nearly entirely fabricated. The clash in Odessa in 2014 started with pro-Russian mobs attacking a march for Ukrainian unity.

Russian demands for a “reworking of NATO” were absurd on their face and disgraceful to the notion of sovereignty, which Russia doesn’t understand or respect.

Russia has only their own arrogance to blame.
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It was revealed in the Wikileaks cabals. Everyone that has followed the story, and watched when Tory Nuland orchestrated coup, said the EU could pound sand, everyone knows this. You are either ignorant, or gaslighting the forum and yourself. I'd like to think you are a decent fellow, but we all know, when it comes to stuff like this, you are an out and out liar.


US gov’t knew NATO expansion to Ukraine would force Russia to intervene​


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". . . Ukraine and Georgia’s NATO aspirations not only touch a raw nerve in Russia, they engender serious concerns about the consequences for stability in the region. Not only does Russia perceive encirclement, and efforts to undermine Russia’s influence in the region, but it also fears unpredictable and uncontrolled consequences which would seriously affect Russian security interests. Experts tell us that Russia is particularly worried that the strong divisions in Ukraine over NATO membership, with much of the ethnic-Russian community against membership, could lead to a major split, involving violence or at worst, civil war. In that eventuality, Russia would have to decide whether to intervene; a decision Russia does not want to have to face.. . .

Burns’ warnings came true just a few years later.. . ."




The CIA knew what it was doing. . . it wanted war, and it got one.

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NATO should have never have been expanded. . . guarantees were given to Gorbachev, the west was NOT to be allowed to, and Putin is right. Nor were they allowed to place missiles in any of the new NATO members, which they have, since talks about the unification of Germany occurred.

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WAR IN EUROPE AND THE RISE OF RAW PROPAGANDA​

". . . Setting aside the manoeuvres and cynicism of geopolitics, whomever the players, this historical memory is the driving force behind Russia’s respect-seeking, self-protective security proposals, which were published in Moscow in the week the UN voted 130-2 to outlaw Nazism. They are:

- NATO guarantees that it will not deploy missiles in nations bordering Russia. (They are already in place from Slovenia to Romania, with Poland to follow)
- NATO to stop military and naval exercises in nations and seas bordering Russia.
- Ukraine will not become a member of NATO.
- the West and Russia to sign a binding East-West security pact.
- the landmark treaty between the US and Russia covering intermediate-range nuclear weapons to be restored. (The US abandoned it in 2019)


These amount to a comprehensive draft of a peace plan for all of post-war Europe and ought to be welcomed in the West. But who understands their significance in Britain? What they are told is that Putin is a pariah and a threat to Christendom.. . . "

Newly Declassified Documents: Gorbachev Told NATO Wouldn't Move Past East German Border​

". . .Gorbachev only accepted German reunification—over which the Soviet Union had a legal right to veto under treaty—because he received assurances that NATO would not expand after he withdrew his forces from Eastern Europe from James Baker, President George H.W. Bush, West German foreign minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher, West German Chancellor Helmut Kohl, the CIA Director Robert Gates, French President Francois Mitterrand, British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, British foreign minister Douglas Hurd, British Prime Minister John Major, and NATO secretary-general Manfred Woerner.

Indeed, as late as March 1991, the British were reassuring Gorbachev that they could not foresee circumstances under which NATO might expand into Eastern and Central Europe. As former British Ambassador to the Soviet Union recounted in March 5, 1991, Rodric Braithwaite, both British foreign minister Douglas Hurd and British Prime Minister John Major told the Soviet that NATO would not expand eastwards.

“I believe that your thoughts about the role of NATO in the current situation are the result of misunderstanding,” Major had told Gorbachev. We are not talking about strengthening of NATO. We are talking about the coordination of efforts that is already happening in Europe between NATO and the West European Union, which, as it is envisioned, would allow all members of the European Community to contribute to enhance [our] security.”



". . The 2+4 negotiations were talks in 1990 that allowed for the reunification of Germany, featuring capitalist West Germany and socialist East Germany (the 2) along with the United States, Soviet Union, Britain, and France (the 4).

Chrobog’s comments in the notes, therefore, confirm that the Western powers had promised the USSR in 1990 that they would not expand NATO eastward after German reunification.

Further clarifying this fact, the document adds that there was a “general agreement that membership of NATO and security guarantees [are] unacceptable” for countries east of Germany.. . ."

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It’s amazing. This but of propaganda couldn’t have been written better by the Kremlin itself.

You so conveniently forgot so many details about Russian aggression and culpability.

The 2014 Ukrainian revolution was a popular uprising against a corrupt anti-democratic Russian backed leader. The Ukrainians had long been suffering under the echos of soviet corruption.

Russia didn’t “stand by”, they invaded Crimea.

The supposed massacres against Russians are nearly entirely fabricated. The clash in Odessa in 2014 started with pro-Russian mobs attacking a march for Ukrainian unity.

Russian demands for a “reworking of NATO” were absurd on their face and disgraceful to the notion of sovereignty, which Russia doesn’t understand or respect.

Russia has only their own arrogance to blame.

Meanwhile, Obama stood around with his dick in his hand, as the Russians invaded Ukraine. He did send them some blankets and shit, but nothing useful for stopping the invasion of their country.

Of course Biden being the old racist white man he is, he just had to outdo his former boss Obama, so he threw a shitload of weapons and money at Ukraine, just to show Obama "This is how we white people do it, boy."

Like Joe said, "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man." But once old white Joe got in the White House, he had to prove to his former boss just how much better he could do things.

Damn, Joe. You is gonna give Obama an inferiority complex or something.
 

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