Anti-Islam ads on NYC buses. Whose side are you on?

[irosie91]

for some insight into Islamic genocide------talk to an Iranian----
of course-----for Iranians it is called SUNNI GENOCIDE. The real animosity between arabs and Iranians is not the
sunni ---- Shiite divide It is the fact that iran was overrun
by arabs and the minions of Genghis Khan-----and millions
were slaughtered and Persian culture was destroyed----make that scores of millions

 

[Osomir]

for some insight into Islamic genocide------talk to an Iranian----
of course-----for Iranians it is called SUNNI GENOCIDE. The real animosity between arabs and Iranians is not the
sunni ---- Shiite divide It is the fact that iran was overrun
by arabs and the minions of Genghis Khan-----and millions
were slaughtered and Persian culture was destroyed----make that scores of millions

The Mongols in the Middle East converted to Islam AFTER the conquest of Persia (which was largely Islamic at the time of the Mongol invasion). They were brutal to Muslim populations. Trying to lay their campaign at the feet of Muslims isn't very honest, in fact it is turning the victims into the perpetrators.

 

[irosie91]

The Islamic DENIAL of Genghis Khan as ----a convert to islam is something like the modern denial of the murdering maniac CONSTANTINE as convert to Christianity-----it is
BULLSHIT. I am, by no means, insisting that either of these two murdering animals were "pious saints" of any religion----but both did what they did USING the pertinent religions as UNIFYING and INSPIRING forces in mass murder. They depended on islam and Christianity as TOTALITARIAN UTOPIA IDEOLOGIES I the same way that Stalin depended on communism and adolf ---on Nazism and SADAAAM depended on BAATHISM (arab Islamic national socialism)

 

[Osomir]

The Islamic DENIAL of Genghis Khan as ----a convert to islam is something like the modern denial of the murdering maniac CONSTANTINE as convert to Christianity-----it is
BULLSHIT. I am, by no means, insisting that either of these two murdering animals were "pious saints" of any religion----but both did what they did USING the pertinent religions as UNIFYING and INSPIRING forces in mass murder. They depended on islam and Christianity as TOTALITARIAN UTOPIA IDEOLOGIES I the same way that Stalin depended on communism and adolf ---on Nazism and SADAAAM depended on BAATHISM (arab Islamic national socialism)

The Mongol invasion of Persia (which was Islamic) took place between 1219 - 1221. The Mongol empire didn't "convert" to Islam until 1295. In fact the Mongol Invasion is often cited within Islamic history as one of the downfalls of the Islamic Golden Age with the mass murders the invading hoard engaged in as well as with blows like the destruction of the House of Wisdom in Baghdad by the Mongols.

 

[irosie91]

The Islamic DENIAL of Genghis Khan as ----a convert to islam is something like the modern denial of the murdering maniac CONSTANTINE as convert to Christianity-----it is
BULLSHIT. I am, by no means, insisting that either of these two murdering animals were "pious saints" of any religion----but both did what they did USING the pertinent religions as UNIFYING and INSPIRING forces in mass murder. They depended on islam and Christianity as TOTALITARIAN UTOPIA IDEOLOGIES I the same way that Stalin depended on communism and adolf ---on Nazism and SADAAAM depended on BAATHISM (arab Islamic national socialism)

The Mongol invasion of Persia (which was Islamic) took place between 1219 - 1221. The Mongol empire didn't "convert" to Islam until 1295. In fact the Mongol Invasion is often cited within Islamic history as one of the downfalls of the Islamic Golden Age with the mass murders the invading hoard engaged in as well as with blows like the destruction of the House of Wisdom in Baghdad by the Mongols.

you are playing with semantics -------whatta ya know-----it took a whole 75 years to shove islam down the throats of the ENTIRE MONGOL EMPIRE------so islam had nothing to do with the situation during the SHOVING TIME. Guess what------the ENTIRE ROMAN empire did not become Christian overnite either-----in fact all of the Christians did not become all that "CHRISTIAN" overnite either. Such
religious TRANSFORMATIONS are long bloody affairs. As to ISLAMIC PERSIA------not so easy either------lots of ARAB INVASION -----damned bloody too.
I understand your dilemma ------I had a high school history book too-------I even read it and remember the picture of
CONSTANTINE having a HEAVENLY REVELATION ---
galvanizing the SUDDEN INSTANTNEOUS conversion of the ROMAN EMPIRE TO CHRISTIANITY --------of course my second grade history book featured happy American
Indians with a feather on the head-------rejoicing over the MAYFLOWER

 

[Osomir]

The Islamic DENIAL of Genghis Khan as ----a convert to islam is something like the modern denial of the murdering maniac CONSTANTINE as convert to Christianity-----it is
BULLSHIT. I am, by no means, insisting that either of these two murdering animals were "pious saints" of any religion----but both did what they did USING the pertinent religions as UNIFYING and INSPIRING forces in mass murder. They depended on islam and Christianity as TOTALITARIAN UTOPIA IDEOLOGIES I the same way that Stalin depended on communism and adolf ---on Nazism and SADAAAM depended on BAATHISM (arab Islamic national socialism)

The Mongol invasion of Persia (which was Islamic) took place between 1219 - 1221. The Mongol empire didn't "convert" to Islam until 1295. In fact the Mongol Invasion is often cited within Islamic history as one of the downfalls of the Islamic Golden Age with the mass murders the invading hoard engaged in as well as with blows like the destruction of the House of Wisdom in Baghdad by the Mongols.

you are playing with semantics -------whatta ya know-----it took a whole 75 years to shove islam down the throats of the ENTIRE MONGOL EMPIRE------so islam had nothing to do with the situation during the SHOVING TIME. Guess what------the ENTIRE ROMAN empire did not become Christian overnite either-----in fact all of the Christians did not become all that "CHRISTIAN" overnite either. Such
religious TRANSFORMATIONS are long bloody affairs. As to ISLAMIC PERSIA------not so easy either------lots of ARAB INVASION -----damned bloody too.
I understand your dilemma ------I had a high school history book too-------I even read it and remember the picture of
CONSTANTINE having a HEAVENLY REVELATION ---
galvanizing the SUDDEN INSTANTNEOUS conversion of the ROMAN EMPIRE TO CHRISTIANITY --------of course my second grade history book featured happy American
Indians with a feather on the head-------rejoicing over the MAYFLOWER

I'm not playing with semantics, the leader of the empire was not Muslim until that time. They converted thinking it would make ruling the Middle East easier. The simple fact is that they were not an Islamic polity or army when they invaded Persia. Persia on the other hand was Islamic and was brutalized. You were simply wrong.

 

[irosie91]

Oh yes----BAGHDAD-----that CITY OF LEARNING invented by ISLAM-------well----not really------the city was a center of
culture long before the rapist pig was born-----arab conquorers simply shoved islam upon it and RETROACTIVELY DECLARED IT THE CAPITAL OF THE ISLAMIC EMPIRE ------on the coat-tails of
Zoroastrian, jewish and Christian scholars------the new
JIZYA paying servants of the filth of that shariah society.
My own journey thru real history began when I read -----as a child----1001 Arabian nights . Historical fiction is a terrific
way to gain insight into what REALLY HAPPENED. I am fascinated that my own journey-----FROM BAGHDAD at age ten---------has come back to BAGHDAD at age (well--nevermind) -----once again THE CALIPHATE. To understand THE CALIPHATE-----try to find some sort of version of 1001 Arabian nights-----no matter how juvenile and Disney level

 

[Osomir]

Oh yes----BAGHDAD-----that CITY OF LEARNING invented by ISLAM-------well----not really------the city was a center of
culture long before the rapist pig was born-----arab conquorers simply shoved islam upon it and RETROACTIVELY DECLARED IT THE CAPITAL OF THE ISLAMIC EMPIRE ------on the coat-tails of
Zoroastrian, jewish and Christian scholars------the new
JIZYA paying servants of the filth of that shariah society.
My own journey thru real history began when I read -----as a child----1001 Arabian nights . Historical fiction is a terrific
way to gain insight into what REALLY HAPPENED. I am fascinated that my own journey-----FROM BAGHDAD at age ten---------has come back to BAGHDAD at age (well--nevermind) -----once again THE CALIPHATE. To understand THE CALIPHATE-----try to find some sort of version of 1001 Arabian nights-----no matter how juvenile and Disney level

I am already familiar with it. I am also familiar enough with NON-fiction too, so I easily know that you were simply incorrect. I'll cite Vernon O. Egger's History of the Muslim World to 1405. Perhaps you should supplement your fiction with an actual history text.

 

[irosie91]

The Islamic DENIAL of Genghis Khan as ----a convert to islam is something like the modern denial of the murdering maniac CONSTANTINE as convert to Christianity-----it is
BULLSHIT. I am, by no means, insisting that either of these two murdering animals were "pious saints" of any religion----but both did what they did USING the pertinent religions as UNIFYING and INSPIRING forces in mass murder. They depended on islam and Christianity as TOTALITARIAN UTOPIA IDEOLOGIES I the same way that Stalin depended on communism and adolf ---on Nazism and SADAAAM depended on BAATHISM (arab Islamic national socialism)

The Mongol invasion of Persia (which was Islamic) took place between 1219 - 1221. The Mongol empire didn't "convert" to Islam until 1295. In fact the Mongol Invasion is often cited within Islamic history as one of the downfalls of the Islamic Golden Age with the mass murders the invading hoard engaged in as well as with blows like the destruction of the House of Wisdom in Baghdad by the Mongols.

you are playing with semantics -------whatta ya know-----it took a whole 75 years to shove islam down the throats of the ENTIRE MONGOL EMPIRE------so islam had nothing to do with the situation during the SHOVING TIME. Guess what------the ENTIRE ROMAN empire did not become Christian overnite either-----in fact all of the Christians did not become all that "CHRISTIAN" overnite either. Such
religious TRANSFORMATIONS are long bloody affairs. As to ISLAMIC PERSIA------not so easy either------lots of ARAB INVASION -----damned bloody too.
I understand your dilemma ------I had a high school history book too-------I even read it and remember the picture of
CONSTANTINE having a HEAVENLY REVELATION ---
galvanizing the SUDDEN INSTANTNEOUS conversion of the ROMAN EMPIRE TO CHRISTIANITY --------of course my second grade history book featured happy American
Indians with a feather on the head-------rejoicing over the MAYFLOWER

I'm not playing with semantics, the leader of the empire was not Muslim until that time. They converted thinking it would make ruling the Middle East easier. The simple fact is that they were not an Islamic polity or army when they invaded Persia. Persia on the other hand was Islamic and was brutalized. You were simply wrong.

wrong----not wrong at all----Persia was brutalized in stages -----and Islamized in stages------it started with arab brutalizing. It's Zoroastrian population in its millions was genocided out of existence in stages------not over night by a declaration of ISLAMIZATION OF MONGOLIA-----something like the ROMAN EMPIRE was Christianized in bloody stages

 

[Osomir]

The Islamic DENIAL of Genghis Khan as ----a convert to islam is something like the modern denial of the murdering maniac CONSTANTINE as convert to Christianity-----it is
BULLSHIT. I am, by no means, insisting that either of these two murdering animals were "pious saints" of any religion----but both did what they did USING the pertinent religions as UNIFYING and INSPIRING forces in mass murder. They depended on islam and Christianity as TOTALITARIAN UTOPIA IDEOLOGIES I the same way that Stalin depended on communism and adolf ---on Nazism and SADAAAM depended on BAATHISM (arab Islamic national socialism)

The Mongol invasion of Persia (which was Islamic) took place between 1219 - 1221. The Mongol empire didn't "convert" to Islam until 1295. In fact the Mongol Invasion is often cited within Islamic history as one of the downfalls of the Islamic Golden Age with the mass murders the invading hoard engaged in as well as with blows like the destruction of the House of Wisdom in Baghdad by the Mongols.

you are playing with semantics -------whatta ya know-----it took a whole 75 years to shove islam down the throats of the ENTIRE MONGOL EMPIRE------so islam had nothing to do with the situation during the SHOVING TIME. Guess what------the ENTIRE ROMAN empire did not become Christian overnite either-----in fact all of the Christians did not become all that "CHRISTIAN" overnite either. Such
religious TRANSFORMATIONS are long bloody affairs. As to ISLAMIC PERSIA------not so easy either------lots of ARAB INVASION -----damned bloody too.
I understand your dilemma ------I had a high school history book too-------I even read it and remember the picture of
CONSTANTINE having a HEAVENLY REVELATION ---
galvanizing the SUDDEN INSTANTNEOUS conversion of the ROMAN EMPIRE TO CHRISTIANITY --------of course my second grade history book featured happy American
Indians with a feather on the head-------rejoicing over the MAYFLOWER

I'm not playing with semantics, the leader of the empire was not Muslim until that time. They converted thinking it would make ruling the Middle East easier. The simple fact is that they were not an Islamic polity or army when they invaded Persia. Persia on the other hand was Islamic and was brutalized. You were simply wrong.

wrong----not wrong at all----Persia was brutalized in stages -----and Islamized in stages------it started with arab brutalizing. It's Zoroastrian population in its millions was genocided out of existence in stages------not over night by a declaration of ISLAMIZATION OF MONGOLIA-----something like the ROMAN EMPIRE was Christianized in bloody stages

Look you made a silly statement and you got called on it. You were wrong. deal with it and move on.

 

[irosie91]

Oh yes----BAGHDAD-----that CITY OF LEARNING invented by ISLAM-------well----not really------the city was a center of
culture long before the rapist pig was born-----arab conquorers simply shoved islam upon it and RETROACTIVELY DECLARED IT THE CAPITAL OF THE ISLAMIC EMPIRE ------on the coat-tails of
Zoroastrian, jewish and Christian scholars------the new
JIZYA paying servants of the filth of that shariah society.
My own journey thru real history began when I read -----as a child----1001 Arabian nights . Historical fiction is a terrific
way to gain insight into what REALLY HAPPENED. I am fascinated that my own journey-----FROM BAGHDAD at age ten---------has come back to BAGHDAD at age (well--nevermind) -----once again THE CALIPHATE. To understand THE CALIPHATE-----try to find some sort of version of 1001 Arabian nights-----no matter how juvenile and Disney level

I am already familiar with it. I am also familiar enough with NON-fiction to easily know that you were simply incorrect. I'll cite Vernon O. Egger's History of the Muslim World to 1405. Perhaps you should supplement your fiction with an actual history text.

try again-----HISTORIANS are the real writers of FICTION----armchair idiots. The entire version of history written by the staff of the ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA is a huge 4 o'clock teatime joke-----thems the jokesters that wrote our grammar school history books------the ones upon which you depend

 

[Osomir]

Oh yes----BAGHDAD-----that CITY OF LEARNING invented by ISLAM-------well----not really------the city was a center of
culture long before the rapist pig was born-----arab conquorers simply shoved islam upon it and RETROACTIVELY DECLARED IT THE CAPITAL OF THE ISLAMIC EMPIRE ------on the coat-tails of
Zoroastrian, jewish and Christian scholars------the new
JIZYA paying servants of the filth of that shariah society.
My own journey thru real history began when I read -----as a child----1001 Arabian nights . Historical fiction is a terrific
way to gain insight into what REALLY HAPPENED. I am fascinated that my own journey-----FROM BAGHDAD at age ten---------has come back to BAGHDAD at age (well--nevermind) -----once again THE CALIPHATE. To understand THE CALIPHATE-----try to find some sort of version of 1001 Arabian nights-----no matter how juvenile and Disney level

I am already familiar with it. I am also familiar enough with NON-fiction to easily know that you were simply incorrect. I'll cite Vernon O. Egger's History of the Muslim World to 1405. Perhaps you should supplement your fiction with an actual history text.

try again-----HISTORIANS are the real writers of FICTION----armchair idiots. The entire version of history written by the staff of the ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA is a huge 4 o'clock teatime joke-----thems the jokesters that wrote our grammar school history books------the ones upon which you depend

Considering how poor your grammar is, I hope you'll excuse me when I don't put much stock in your tea-time literary critiques.

Vernon O Egger's work also has nothing to do with either Encyclopedia Britannica nor with grammar school history books. So feel free to try again.

 

[irosie91]

Oh yes----BAGHDAD-----that CITY OF LEARNING invented by ISLAM-------well----not really------the city was a center of
culture long before the rapist pig was born-----arab conquorers simply shoved islam upon it and RETROACTIVELY DECLARED IT THE CAPITAL OF THE ISLAMIC EMPIRE ------on the coat-tails of
Zoroastrian, jewish and Christian scholars------the new
JIZYA paying servants of the filth of that shariah society.
My own journey thru real history began when I read -----as a child----1001 Arabian nights . Historical fiction is a terrific
way to gain insight into what REALLY HAPPENED. I am fascinated that my own journey-----FROM BAGHDAD at age ten---------has come back to BAGHDAD at age (well--nevermind) -----once again THE CALIPHATE. To understand THE CALIPHATE-----try to find some sort of version of 1001 Arabian nights-----no matter how juvenile and Disney level

I am already familiar with it. I am also familiar enough with NON-fiction to easily know that you were simply incorrect. I'll cite Vernon O. Egger's History of the Muslim World to 1405. Perhaps you should supplement your fiction with an actual history text.

try again-----HISTORIANS are the real writers of FICTION----armchair idiots. The entire version of history written by the staff of the ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA is a huge 4 o'clock teatime joke-----thems the jokesters that wrote our grammar school history books------the ones upon which you depend

Considering how poor your grammar is, I hope you'll excuse me when I don't put much stock in your tea-time literary critiques.

Vernon O Egger's work also has nothing to do with either Encyclopedia Britannica nor with grammar school history books. So feel free to try again.

There is nothing wrong with my grammar. You are desperate to push your agenda by nit-picking. Vernon O Egger------did not work------he wrote a glorified term paper.

 

[Osomir]

Oh yes----BAGHDAD-----that CITY OF LEARNING invented by ISLAM-------well----not really------the city was a center of
culture long before the rapist pig was born-----arab conquorers simply shoved islam upon it and RETROACTIVELY DECLARED IT THE CAPITAL OF THE ISLAMIC EMPIRE ------on the coat-tails of
Zoroastrian, jewish and Christian scholars------the new
JIZYA paying servants of the filth of that shariah society.
My own journey thru real history began when I read -----as a child----1001 Arabian nights . Historical fiction is a terrific
way to gain insight into what REALLY HAPPENED. I am fascinated that my own journey-----FROM BAGHDAD at age ten---------has come back to BAGHDAD at age (well--nevermind) -----once again THE CALIPHATE. To understand THE CALIPHATE-----try to find some sort of version of 1001 Arabian nights-----no matter how juvenile and Disney level

I am already familiar with it. I am also familiar enough with NON-fiction to easily know that you were simply incorrect. I'll cite Vernon O. Egger's History of the Muslim World to 1405. Perhaps you should supplement your fiction with an actual history text.

try again-----HISTORIANS are the real writers of FICTION----armchair idiots. The entire version of history written by the staff of the ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA is a huge 4 o'clock teatime joke-----thems the jokesters that wrote our grammar school history books------the ones upon which you depend

Considering how poor your grammar is, I hope you'll excuse me when I don't put much stock in your tea-time literary critiques.

Vernon O Egger's work also has nothing to do with either Encyclopedia Britannica nor with grammar school history books. So feel free to try again.

There is nothing wrong with my grammar. You are desperate to push your agenda by nit-picking. Vernon O Egger------did not work------he wrote a glorified term paper.

I like O Egger specifically because he is succinct, but if you would like something longer then I'd reference the collective works of The Venture of Islam by Marshall Hodgson. It's brutally long enough that it should suffice

 

[irosie91]

Oh yes----BAGHDAD-----that CITY OF LEARNING invented by ISLAM-------well----not really------the city was a center of
culture long before the rapist pig was born-----arab conquorers simply shoved islam upon it and RETROACTIVELY DECLARED IT THE CAPITAL OF THE ISLAMIC EMPIRE ------on the coat-tails of
Zoroastrian, jewish and Christian scholars------the new
JIZYA paying servants of the filth of that shariah society.
My own journey thru real history began when I read -----as a child----1001 Arabian nights . Historical fiction is a terrific
way to gain insight into what REALLY HAPPENED. I am fascinated that my own journey-----FROM BAGHDAD at age ten---------has come back to BAGHDAD at age (well--nevermind) -----once again THE CALIPHATE. To understand THE CALIPHATE-----try to find some sort of version of 1001 Arabian nights-----no matter how juvenile and Disney level

I am already familiar with it. I am also familiar enough with NON-fiction to easily know that you were simply incorrect. I'll cite Vernon O. Egger's History of the Muslim World to 1405. Perhaps you should supplement your fiction with an actual history text.

try again-----HISTORIANS are the real writers of FICTION----armchair idiots. The entire version of history written by the staff of the ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA is a huge 4 o'clock teatime joke-----thems the jokesters that wrote our grammar school history books------the ones upon which you depend

Considering how poor your grammar is, I hope you'll excuse me when I don't put much stock in your tea-time literary critiques.

Vernon O Egger's work also has nothing to do with either Encyclopedia Britannica nor with grammar school history books. So feel free to try again.

There is nothing wrong with my grammar. You are desperate to push your agenda by nit-picking. Vernon O Egger------did not work------he wrote a glorified term paper.

I like O Egger specifically because he is succinct, but if you would like something longer then I'd reference the collective works of The Venture of Islam by Marshall Hodgson. It's brutally long enough that it should suffice

no thanks-----my insights into world history do not come from career "historians" or dissertations. ---of course I have looked at many of those "documents" just as I look at WIKKI and just as I read newspapers (another poor source of real information) ----I gain my information -----sideways--------thru windows. I mentioned historical fiction-----but far better are the short stories emanating from
"the natives" of the lands. For a glimpse of west Bengal----no one beats Satyajit Ray----or---very simply ---real natives of here and there and THEIR family legacies---and that with which they have been inculcated since infancy.------thru windows--------the variable moods that afflict the local small grocer, newspaper seller from
Yemen-----with family in SANAA -----tell me (actually hubby----I do not talk to the guy) more about the situation
over there than do the newspaper reports from AL JEZEERAH. For the record------I am not at all surprised over the recent announcement regarding the
LIBERATION OF MECCA-------I have been predicting it for years. Does Egger have anything to add?

 

[Osomir]

I am already familiar with it. I am also familiar enough with NON-fiction to easily know that you were simply incorrect. I'll cite Vernon O. Egger's History of the Muslim World to 1405. Perhaps you should supplement your fiction with an actual history text.

try again-----HISTORIANS are the real writers of FICTION----armchair idiots. The entire version of history written by the staff of the ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA is a huge 4 o'clock teatime joke-----thems the jokesters that wrote our grammar school history books------the ones upon which you depend

Considering how poor your grammar is, I hope you'll excuse me when I don't put much stock in your tea-time literary critiques.

Vernon O Egger's work also has nothing to do with either Encyclopedia Britannica nor with grammar school history books. So feel free to try again.

There is nothing wrong with my grammar. You are desperate to push your agenda by nit-picking. Vernon O Egger------did not work------he wrote a glorified term paper.

I like O Egger specifically because he is succinct, but if you would like something longer then I'd reference the collective works of The Venture of Islam by Marshall Hodgson. It's brutally long enough that it should suffice

no thanks-----my insights into world history do not come from career "historians" or dissertations. ---of course I have looked at many of those "documents" just as I look at WIKKI and just as I read newspapers (another poor source of real information) ----I gain my information -----sideways--------thru windows. I mentioned historical fiction-----but far better are the short stories emanating from
"the natives" of the lands. For a glimpse of west Bengal----no one beats Satyajit Ray----or---very simply ---real natives of here and there and THEIR family legacies---and that with which they have been inculcated since infancy.------thru windows--------the variable moods that afflict the local small grocer, newspaper seller from
Yemen-----with family in SANAA -----tell me (actually hubby----I do not talk to the guy) more about the situation
over there than do the newspaper reports from AL JEZEERAH. For the record------I am not at all surprised over the recent announcement regarding the
LIBERATION OF MECCA-------I have been predicting it for years. Does Egger have anything to add?

Don't get me wrong, I find a lot of value in the short stories and cultural tales of different regions. I also enjoy travel logs and memoirs. It is a big part of my studies of African histories, but they can only provide so much and are best coupled with other works and more rigorous examinations of history. Sitting down and listening to Ashanti folk tales for example is useful, but it isn't going to make me well informed on the new railroad deal that Ghana is commencing, or allow me to speak authoritatively on their contemporary involvement with extractive resources transparency initiatives, or even allow me to explain the nuances associated with British colonial invasion. If affords me some insights sure, but those insights need to be fostered and applied to larger bases of understanding for full effect. If you want to be viewed as an expert then you need to have a well rounded base and that is difficult to do if you shun academia.

 

[irosie91]

try again-----HISTORIANS are the real writers of FICTION----armchair idiots. The entire version of history written by the staff of the ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA is a huge 4 o'clock teatime joke-----thems the jokesters that wrote our grammar school history books------the ones upon which you depend

Considering how poor your grammar is, I hope you'll excuse me when I don't put much stock in your tea-time literary critiques.

Vernon O Egger's work also has nothing to do with either Encyclopedia Britannica nor with grammar school history books. So feel free to try again.

There is nothing wrong with my grammar. You are desperate to push your agenda by nit-picking. Vernon O Egger------did not work------he wrote a glorified term paper.

I like O Egger specifically because he is succinct, but if you would like something longer then I'd reference the collective works of The Venture of Islam by Marshall Hodgson. It's brutally long enough that it should suffice

no thanks-----my insights into world history do not come from career "historians" or dissertations. ---of course I have looked at many of those "documents" just as I look at WIKKI and just as I read newspapers (another poor source of real information) ----I gain my information -----sideways--------thru windows. I mentioned historical fiction-----but far better are the short stories emanating from
"the natives" of the lands. For a glimpse of west Bengal----no one beats Satyajit Ray----or---very simply ---real natives of here and there and THEIR family legacies---and that with which they have been inculcated since infancy.------thru windows--------the variable moods that afflict the local small grocer, newspaper seller from
Yemen-----with family in SANAA -----tell me (actually hubby----I do not talk to the guy) more about the situation
over there than do the newspaper reports from AL JEZEERAH. For the record------I am not at all surprised over the recent announcement regarding the
LIBERATION OF MECCA-------I have been predicting it for years. Does Egger have anything to add?

Don't get me wrong, I find a lot of value in the short stories and cultural tales of different regions. I also enjoy travel logs and memoirs. It is a big part of my studies of African histories, but they can only provide so much and are best coupled with other works and more rigorous examinations of history. Sitting down and listening to Ashanti folk tales for example is useful, but it isn't going to make me well informed on the new railroad deal that Ghana is commencing, or allow me to speak authoritatively on their contemporary involvement with extractive resources transparency initiatives, or even allow me to explain the nuances associated with British colonial invasion. If you want to be viewed as an expert then you need to have a well rounded base and that is difficult to do if you shun academia.

you used some very good words. "NUANCES" is one of them------for "NUANCES" I do not depend on college dissertations or textbooks. A good phrase was ----'if you want to be viewed as an expert"-------nope---not me----I prefer a real understanding. ALSO----"academia"------yeah-----the last approach to insight

BRITISH COLONIAL INVASION---<<<< a good one------
I got that "WESTERN COLONIALISM" right from
'the horse's mouth'---------all of the problems
experienced by the muslims of south-east asia
are a result of "WESTERN COLONIALISM"
and ALL THINGS GOOD are of the
*)))))))))))GLORIOUS MOGHUL EMPIRE(((((*

see??-----I understand your armchair historian POV
without even reading the textbook

 

[Osomir]

Considering how poor your grammar is, I hope you'll excuse me when I don't put much stock in your tea-time literary critiques.

Vernon O Egger's work also has nothing to do with either Encyclopedia Britannica nor with grammar school history books. So feel free to try again.

There is nothing wrong with my grammar. You are desperate to push your agenda by nit-picking. Vernon O Egger------did not work------he wrote a glorified term paper.

I like O Egger specifically because he is succinct, but if you would like something longer then I'd reference the collective works of The Venture of Islam by Marshall Hodgson. It's brutally long enough that it should suffice

no thanks-----my insights into world history do not come from career "historians" or dissertations. ---of course I have looked at many of those "documents" just as I look at WIKKI and just as I read newspapers (another poor source of real information) ----I gain my information -----sideways--------thru windows. I mentioned historical fiction-----but far better are the short stories emanating from
"the natives" of the lands. For a glimpse of west Bengal----no one beats Satyajit Ray----or---very simply ---real natives of here and there and THEIR family legacies---and that with which they have been inculcated since infancy.------thru windows--------the variable moods that afflict the local small grocer, newspaper seller from
Yemen-----with family in SANAA -----tell me (actually hubby----I do not talk to the guy) more about the situation
over there than do the newspaper reports from AL JEZEERAH. For the record------I am not at all surprised over the recent announcement regarding the
LIBERATION OF MECCA-------I have been predicting it for years. Does Egger have anything to add?

Don't get me wrong, I find a lot of value in the short stories and cultural tales of different regions. I also enjoy travel logs and memoirs. It is a big part of my studies of African histories, but they can only provide so much and are best coupled with other works and more rigorous examinations of history. Sitting down and listening to Ashanti folk tales for example is useful, but it isn't going to make me well informed on the new railroad deal that Ghana is commencing, or allow me to speak authoritatively on their contemporary involvement with extractive resources transparency initiatives, or even allow me to explain the nuances associated with British colonial invasion. If you want to be viewed as an expert then you need to have a well rounded base and that is difficult to do if you shun academia.

you used some very good words. "NUANCES" is one of them------for "NUANCES" I do not depend on college dissertations or textbooks. A good phrase was ----'if you want to be viewed as an expert"-------nope---not me----I prefer a real understanding. ALSO----"academia"------yeah-----the last approach to insight

BRITISH COLONIAL INVASION---<<<< a good one------
I got that "WESTERN COLONIALISM" right from
'the horse's mouth'---------all of the problems
experienced by the muslims of south-east asia
are a result of "WESTERN COLONIALISM"
and ALL THINGS GOOD are of the
*)))))))))))GLORIOUS MOGHUL EMPIRE(((((*

see??-----I understand your armchair historian POV
without even reading the textbook

You apparently didn't understand anything that I said (which makes your post all the more ironic), the British colonial invasion was a reference to Ghana, in West Africa, not to any Islamic majority state or anyplace in the Middle East. I was referencing it relative to the subject of Ashanti folk tales.

 

[irosie91]

There is nothing wrong with my grammar. You are desperate to push your agenda by nit-picking. Vernon O Egger------did not work------he wrote a glorified term paper.

I like O Egger specifically because he is succinct, but if you would like something longer then I'd reference the collective works of The Venture of Islam by Marshall Hodgson. It's brutally long enough that it should suffice

no thanks-----my insights into world history do not come from career "historians" or dissertations. ---of course I have looked at many of those "documents" just as I look at WIKKI and just as I read newspapers (another poor source of real information) ----I gain my information -----sideways--------thru windows. I mentioned historical fiction-----but far better are the short stories emanating from
"the natives" of the lands. For a glimpse of west Bengal----no one beats Satyajit Ray----or---very simply ---real natives of here and there and THEIR family legacies---and that with which they have been inculcated since infancy.------thru windows--------the variable moods that afflict the local small grocer, newspaper seller from
Yemen-----with family in SANAA -----tell me (actually hubby----I do not talk to the guy) more about the situation
over there than do the newspaper reports from AL JEZEERAH. For the record------I am not at all surprised over the recent announcement regarding the
LIBERATION OF MECCA-------I have been predicting it for years. Does Egger have anything to add?

Don't get me wrong, I find a lot of value in the short stories and cultural tales of different regions. I also enjoy travel logs and memoirs. It is a big part of my studies of African histories, but they can only provide so much and are best coupled with other works and more rigorous examinations of history. Sitting down and listening to Ashanti folk tales for example is useful, but it isn't going to make me well informed on the new railroad deal that Ghana is commencing, or allow me to speak authoritatively on their contemporary involvement with extractive resources transparency initiatives, or even allow me to explain the nuances associated with British colonial invasion. If you want to be viewed as an expert then you need to have a well rounded base and that is difficult to do if you shun academia.

you used some very good words. "NUANCES" is one of them------for "NUANCES" I do not depend on college dissertations or textbooks. A good phrase was ----'if you want to be viewed as an expert"-------nope---not me----I prefer a real understanding. ALSO----"academia"------yeah-----the last approach to insight

BRITISH COLONIAL INVASION---<<<< a good one------
I got that "WESTERN COLONIALISM" right from
'the horse's mouth'---------all of the problems
experienced by the muslims of south-east asia
are a result of "WESTERN COLONIALISM"
and ALL THINGS GOOD are of the
*)))))))))))GLORIOUS MOGHUL EMPIRE(((((*

see??-----I understand your armchair historian POV
without even reading the textbook

You apparently didn't understand anything that I said (which makes your post all the more ironic), the British colonial invasion was a reference to Ghana, in West Africa, not to any Islamic majority state or anyplace in the Middle East. I was referencing it relative to the subject of Ashanti folk tales.

SO? I referred to the other area of BRITISH COLONIAL
INVASION----since I know so many more people who
were AFFLICTED with it-----that which took place in South East Asia --------are you having a problem dealing with horror of that particular trauma upon the muslims of Ghana vs the muslims of South east asia? I, very specifically, referred to the nature of the MOGHUL EMPIRE as "NON COLONIAL" vs the WESTERN BRITISH COLONIAL POWER as "COLONIAL"
as a kind of pandering to your POV.
You seem to miss the NUANCES

 

[Osomir]

I like O Egger specifically because he is succinct, but if you would like something longer then I'd reference the collective works of The Venture of Islam by Marshall Hodgson. It's brutally long enough that it should suffice

no thanks-----my insights into world history do not come from career "historians" or dissertations. ---of course I have looked at many of those "documents" just as I look at WIKKI and just as I read newspapers (another poor source of real information) ----I gain my information -----sideways--------thru windows. I mentioned historical fiction-----but far better are the short stories emanating from
"the natives" of the lands. For a glimpse of west Bengal----no one beats Satyajit Ray----or---very simply ---real natives of here and there and THEIR family legacies---and that with which they have been inculcated since infancy.------thru windows--------the variable moods that afflict the local small grocer, newspaper seller from
Yemen-----with family in SANAA -----tell me (actually hubby----I do not talk to the guy) more about the situation
over there than do the newspaper reports from AL JEZEERAH. For the record------I am not at all surprised over the recent announcement regarding the
LIBERATION OF MECCA-------I have been predicting it for years. Does Egger have anything to add?

Don't get me wrong, I find a lot of value in the short stories and cultural tales of different regions. I also enjoy travel logs and memoirs. It is a big part of my studies of African histories, but they can only provide so much and are best coupled with other works and more rigorous examinations of history. Sitting down and listening to Ashanti folk tales for example is useful, but it isn't going to make me well informed on the new railroad deal that Ghana is commencing, or allow me to speak authoritatively on their contemporary involvement with extractive resources transparency initiatives, or even allow me to explain the nuances associated with British colonial invasion. If you want to be viewed as an expert then you need to have a well rounded base and that is difficult to do if you shun academia.

you used some very good words. "NUANCES" is one of them------for "NUANCES" I do not depend on college dissertations or textbooks. A good phrase was ----'if you want to be viewed as an expert"-------nope---not me----I prefer a real understanding. ALSO----"academia"------yeah-----the last approach to insight

BRITISH COLONIAL INVASION---<<<< a good one------
I got that "WESTERN COLONIALISM" right from
'the horse's mouth'---------all of the problems
experienced by the muslims of south-east asia
are a result of "WESTERN COLONIALISM"
and ALL THINGS GOOD are of the
*)))))))))))GLORIOUS MOGHUL EMPIRE(((((*

see??-----I understand your armchair historian POV
without even reading the textbook

You apparently didn't understand anything that I said (which makes your post all the more ironic), the British colonial invasion was a reference to Ghana, in West Africa, not to any Islamic majority state or anyplace in the Middle East. I was referencing it relative to the subject of Ashanti folk tales.

SO? I referred to the other area of BRITISH COLONIAL
INVASION----since I know so many more people who
were AFFLICTED with it-----that which took place in South East Asia --------are you having a problem dealing with horror of that particular trauma upon the muslims of Ghana vs the muslims of South east asia? I, very specifically, referred to the nature of the MOGHUL EMPIRE as "NON COLONIAL" vs the WESTERN BRITISH COLONIAL POWER as "COLONIAL"
as a kind of pandering to your POV.
You seem to miss the NUANCES

You seem to be having a hard time keeping the conversation straight. Ghana isn't a Muslim country, nor were the Ashanti an Islamic empire. You also seem to be under the impression that I am somehow supportive of the Moghul Empire when what I actually called it was "brutal". You may want to try reading our conversation again.