anti gunners do not like "Gunsplaining" because it requires knowing the truth, the facts and reality

[ThunderKiss1965]

Well yeah its a semi-automatic that means every time I use my pointy finger to pull the trigger thingy it fires a round.

Again, 45 times a minute... That's a lot of damage.

So. Law abiding citizen here. Shall not infringe.

 

[PredFan]

Looks like one? You're too stupid to have been allowed to have a gun, let alone be in the army.

Well, they promoted me to Staff Sergeant, so what did they know.

They also failed to press send on the paperwork that would have kept the Church shooter from getting his weapon.....falling back on the military competence is not a strong argument...

When he knows nothing about guns, but claims to have been in the army, you have to question everything he says.

 

[Flash]

[Q


John Oliver did a show this weekend that pegged your nutjob ass to a T.

John Oliver explains what the NRA’s TV channel actually does

So you get your news from HBO Comedy? Pathetic. No wonder you Moon Bats never get anything right. Where next Democratunderground, Rachael Maddow or Comedy Central?

The nut jobs are you antigun assholes that hate the Bill of Rights.

 

[PredFan]

Just donated again. The 2nd time since the shooting. We will beat you fascist lefties.

 

[PredFan]

One of the reasons that lefties need to be gunsplained to is because their stupidity not only leads to useless infringements on our rights but because it is dangerous. We wouldn’t have to gunsplain if you gun grabbers weren’t such brainless idiots.

Sure, let’s ban bump stocks! Think of all the lives it will save. Stupid is as stupid does.

 

[Rustic]

One of the reasons that lefties need to be gunsplained to is because their stupidity not only leads to useless infringements on our rights but because it is dangerous. We wouldn’t have to gunsplain if you gun grabbers weren’t such brainless idiots.

Sure, let’s ban bump stocks! Think of all the lives it will save. Stupid is as stupid does.

Yep, Progressives know nothing about firearms....

 

[Skull Pilot]

They banned and confiscated guns....and it isn't a small increase...and it is growing each year.....as well, they are reducing their police forces, and cutting their resources because they can't afford to pay for all their social welfare programs...on top of that, their politically correct policies are tying the hands of their police...

again, any European country has a lot less crime than we do. "Ohhh, they went up by 2 murders a year" isn't impressing anyone.

Their gun problems are just starting, and they do not know how to deal with them...

Seems to me they have a better handle on this than we do.

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no they do not

The UK has 3 times more crimes per capita than does the USA

Countries Compared by Crime > Total crimes per 1000. International Statistics at NationMaster.com

if you can actually understand this simple table you will see that the US is not even in the top 20 of countries in the number of crimes per capita

 

[JoeB131]

There is no enforcement of traffic during rush hour in my area. The police are overwhelmed by accidents alone.
School speed zones are widely ignored and rarely enforced. Some drivers exceeding 20 or more over limit.
Point being that a stupid sign or feel good law has done nothing to stop a careless driver or stopped drugs or ANY type of weapon being brought to a school.

A focus on gun enforcement?
How about law enforcement.
Oh, that's right, your side openly advocates law breaking, especially regarding immigration.

Buddy, try to stick to one topic, you are all over the map.

Your side has had 10 years to reform immigration and you haven't.

No, a sign isn't going to stop a shooter, but it will stop the teacher who brings a gun onto campus because he feels bad about his 'Shortcomings", and that's the point.

 

[JoeB131]

So. Law abiding citizen here. Shall not infringe.

Well Regulated Militia. When you join one of those, we let you bear arms.

 

[petro]

There is no enforcement of traffic during rush hour in my area. The police are overwhelmed by accidents alone.
School speed zones are widely ignored and rarely enforced. Some drivers exceeding 20 or more over limit.
Point being that a stupid sign or feel good law has done nothing to stop a careless driver or stopped drugs or ANY type of weapon being brought to a school.

A focus on gun enforcement?
How about law enforcement.
Oh, that's right, your side openly advocates law breaking, especially regarding immigration.

Buddy, try to stick to one topic, you are all over the map.

Your side has had 10 years to reform immigration and you haven't.

No, a sign isn't going to stop a shooter, but it will stop the teacher who brings a gun onto campus because he feels bad about his 'Shortcomings", and that's the point.

Wow, a penis size reference, and that sums up the typical response.
No one destroys your arguments better than you.
We all know you despise the rights of gun owners and seek continued demonization. You are convincing absolutely no one.

 

[JoeB131]

The UK has 3 times more crimes per capita than does the USA

No, they don't. They just count things as crimes we don't because our cops are so overwhelmed with murders.

Wow, a penis size reference, and that sums up the typical response.
No one destroys your arguments better than you.
We all know you despise the rights of gun owners and seek continued demonization. You are convincing absolutely no one.

Guy, I never expected to convince the gun nutters of anything.

My point is to point out to the 78% of us who don't need to "compensate" by owning a gun that we shouldn't be held hostage by the 3% of the population that does.

 

[petro]

The UK has 3 times more crimes per capita than does the USA

No, they don't. They just count things as crimes we don't because our cops are so overwhelmed with murders.

Wow, a penis size reference, and that sums up the typical response.
No one destroys your arguments better than you.
We all know you despise the rights of gun owners and seek continued demonization. You are convincing absolutely no one.

Guy, I never expected to convince the gun nutters of anything.

My point is to point out to the 78% of us who don't need to "compensate" by owning a gun that we shouldn't be held hostage by the 3% of the population that does.

More of your made up "facts" I see.

 

[PredFan]

One of the reasons that lefties need to be gunsplained to is because their stupidity not only leads to useless infringements on our rights but because it is dangerous. We wouldn’t have to gunsplain if you gun grabbers weren’t such brainless idiots.

Sure, let’s ban bump stocks! Think of all the lives it will save. Stupid is as stupid does.

Yep, Progressives know nothing about firearms....

For the vast majority of them, they don’t. That’s why they have to be gunsplained to.

 

[JoeB131]

More of your made up "facts" I see.

Nope. Just can't correct your ignorance.

3% of Americans own half the country's 265 million guns

Overall, Americans own an estimated 265 million guns – more than one gun for every American adult, according to the study by researchers at Harvard and Northeastern universities. Half of those guns – 133 million – were in the hands of just 3% of American adults, so-called “super owners” who possessed an average of 17 guns each, it showed.

• An estimated 55 million Americans own guns.
• The percentage of the U.S. population who own guns decreased slightly from 25% in 1994 to 22% last year.
• Between 300,000 and 600,000 guns are stolen each year.

 

[Skull Pilot]

The UK has 3 times more crimes per capita than does the USA

No, they don't. They just count things as crimes we don't because our cops are so overwhelmed with murders.

Wow, a penis size reference, and that sums up the typical response.
No one destroys your arguments better than you.
We all know you despise the rights of gun owners and seek continued demonization. You are convincing absolutely no one.

Guy, I never expected to convince the gun nutters of anything.

My point is to point out to the 78% of us who don't need to "compensate" by owning a gun that we shouldn't be held hostage by the 3% of the population that does.

Oh so now it matters how they count crimes but when I post the actual British document from the house of commons stating that the UK only counts murders as those homicides that result in a conviction you tell em I'm wrong

But it doesn't matter the Brits call them crimes and they are reported as crimes so the UK actually does have 3 times more crime per capita than the US

 

[JoeB131]

Oh so now it matters how they count crimes but when I post the actual British document from the house of commons stating that the UK only counts murders as those homicides that result in a conviction you tell em I'm wrong

Except that's not what htey do, and the documents you presented said nothing of the sort. English clearly isn't your strong point.

But it doesn't matter the Brits call them crimes and they are reported as crimes so the UK actually does have 3 times more crime per capita than the US

No, it doesn't matter. They call anyone coping a feel a rape, while we only count it if someone gets penetrated... We could also talk about reporting rates... a lot of stuff doesn't get reported in this country because the cops don't give a shit.

But on something we can concretely number...

48 gun homicides in the UK vs. 11,000 in the US.

We suck at this.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Oh so now it matters how they count crimes but when I post the actual British document from the house of commons stating that the UK only counts murders as those homicides that result in a conviction you tell em I'm wrong

Except that's not what htey do, and the documents you presented said nothing of the sort. English clearly isn't your strong point.

But it doesn't matter the Brits call them crimes and they are reported as crimes so the UK actually does have 3 times more crime per capita than the US

No, it doesn't matter. They call anyone coping a feel a rape, while we only count it if someone gets penetrated... We could also talk about reporting rates... a lot of stuff doesn't get reported in this country because the cops don't give a shit.

But on something we can concretely number...

48 gun homicides in the UK vs. 11,000 in the US.

We suck at this.

it absolutely did I even gave the section and paragraph

House of Commons - Home Affairs - Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence

Section 2 paragraph 35

Since 1967, homicide figures for England and Wales have been adjusted to exclude any cases which do not result in conviction

 

[JoeB131]

[Q
it absolutely did I even gave the section and paragraph

House of Commons - Home Affairs - Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence

Section 2 paragraph 35

Since 1967, homicide figures for England and Wales have been adjusted to exclude any cases which do not result in conviction

Here's the COMPLETE PASSAGE -

Homicide statistics too vary widely. In some developing countries, the statistics are known to be far from complete. Figures for crimes labelled as homicide in various countries are simply not comparable. Since 1967, homicide figures for England and Wales have been adjusted to exclude any cases which do not result in conviction, or where the person is not prosecuted on grounds of self defence or otherwise. This reduces the apparent number of homicides by between 13 per cent and 15 per cent. The adjustment is made only in respect of figures shown in one part of the Annual Criminal Statistics. In another part relating to the use of firearms, no adjustment is made.

Now, I think you are actually intelligent enough to have read the whole paragraph. If you were, you'd know that the adjustment for acquittals and self defense only budge the number 13-15% (of some 600 homicides a year) and in the case of gun homicides, they aren't moved AT ALL!

 

[Skull Pilot]

[Q
it absolutely did I even gave the section and paragraph

House of Commons - Home Affairs - Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence

Section 2 paragraph 35

Since 1967, homicide figures for England and Wales have been adjusted to exclude any cases which do not result in conviction

Here's the COMPLETE PASSAGE -

Homicide statistics too vary widely. In some developing countries, the statistics are known to be far from complete. Figures for crimes labelled as homicide in various countries are simply not comparable. Since 1967, homicide figures for England and Wales have been adjusted to exclude any cases which do not result in conviction, or where the person is not prosecuted on grounds of self defence or otherwise. This reduces the apparent number of homicides by between 13 per cent and 15 per cent. The adjustment is made only in respect of figures shown in one part of the Annual Criminal Statistics. In another part relating to the use of firearms, no adjustment is made.

Now, I think you are actually intelligent enough to have read the whole paragraph. If you were, you'd know that the adjustment for acquittals and self defense only budge the number 13-15% (of some 600 homicides a year) and in the case of gun homicides, they aren't moved AT ALL!

so what?

you denied the FACT that murders are not counted unless there is a conviction and I don't think the UK cops have an 85% murder clearance rate

 

[JoeB131]

so what?

you denied the FACT that murders are not counted unless there is a conviction and I don't think the UK cops have an 85% murder clearance rate

Meh, they probably have a higher clearance rate than we do because they aren't investigating nearly as many.

The point was that your own document said it was a combo of acquittals (which could mean anything) and self defense, but gun murders were counted one for one.

So when they said they had 48 gun murders compared to our 11,000... that's what they had.