Dragonlady
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No it’s not. Even if you take out the so-called urban crime, your murder rate is still much higher than any other first world country. And mass murders, are a mostly white crime, as are spree killings.
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No it’s not. Even if you take out the so-called urban crime, your murder rate is still much higher than any other first world country. And mass murders, are a mostly white crime, as are spree killings.
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No, I am criticizing the stupid ass mantra of "armed citizens overwhelmingly stop crime."
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That is because armed citizens do not overwhelmingly interfere with criminal activity.
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You lie as easily as you breathe. Yes, they did what they were supposed to do. They did not interfere with the criminal.
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Not really. 70% or more of our murders are criminal on criminal.
Take those out and our murder rate is on par with any other country
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There were not 470 mass public shootings last year, that is a lie. They use gang shootings to push that lie, and even Mother Jones, the left wing, anti gun news source doesn't lie with that number....
Here is the actual list of mass public shootings from Mother Jones along with how many were murdered...
Keep in mind, knives are used to murder over 1,500 people every year, cars accidentally kill over 35,000 people every year...
US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation
2016....6
2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)
2014....2 (4)
2013....5
2012....7
2011....3
2010....1
2009....4
2008....3
2007....4
2006....3
2005...2
2004....1
2003...1
2002 not listed so more than likely 0
2001....1
2000....1
1999....5
1998...3
1997....2
1996....1
1995...1
1994...1
1993...4
1992...2
1991...3
1990...1
1989...2
1988....1
1987...1
1986...1
1985... not listed so probably 0
1984...2
1983...not listed so probably 0
1982...1
US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation
US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation
How many deaths on average according to Mother Jones...anti gun, uber left wing Mother Jones.......each year, well less than 73.
2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7
Because the culture in those countries are different.....and.....you haven't been paying attention to the crime rates in Britain, have you? I have posted that they are skyrocketing in that country and across Europe.....it has to do with cutting their police manpower, cutting police funding, and hamstringing police with politcal correct b.s. Also, their young males are no longer being civilized by their social welfare states, too many generations have now passed where single teenage mothers are raising young males without adult men to teach them how to be men......
Gun crime in Canada has gone up....gun crime in Britain has gone up....gun crime in Australia has gone up...
You guys refuse to see that it is culture, not guns that are the issue.
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Skull Pilot opines (wrongly), nothing else.
2aguy cannot deny that the UK gun death rate is so much lower than that of the US.
2aguy cannot deny that the UK gun death rate is so much lower than that of the US.
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Using a firearm in SELF DEFENSE does stop crime.
No CCW permit holder I now thinks they are supposed to chase down every criminal on the street
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I have not told any lies.
You would have criticized any one of those armed citizens if they decided to play cop.
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No....we have a high gun suicide rate, but our non gun suicide rate was higher in 2014 and 2015....and the suicide rates around the world in countries with absolute gun control are higher than ours....
They did not interfere because they are not police......and you guys who lie about how crazy concealed carry gun owners are were proven wrong...so now you have to change your line of attack and say they didn't do anything...as if that is a bad thing...They did the right thing and simply waited for the police..
Had this guy continued into the store...they could have and would have stopped him or slowed him down...while the police took 5 minutes to get there...
Notice...the guy was long gone before the police even arrived on the scene.....moron.
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Skull Pilot continues to falsify deliberately. I have not criticized CCWs at all. I am saying they did not interfere, which was the right move. So, by not interfering, one cannot argue that CCW overwhelmingly prevents crime.
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The alt right gang stalks trying to beat down opposition, but notice just how easily their arguments are swept away by logic and fact.
They are hopeless.
They are hopeless.
Dragonlady
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Suddenly Mother Jones is a reliable source? Not buying it.
This is a list of all 470+ mass shootings. It rightfully included family murders and other murders which aren’t included in the stats for public shootings.
Mass Shootings | Gun Violence Archive
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Yeah.....check out gun crime in Britain.....you know they banned and confiscated guns........right?
Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online
The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.
The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .
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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show
Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.
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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News
Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.
Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime
A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.
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He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.
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Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.
Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.
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Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.
He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.
Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.
He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”
Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest
But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.
The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.
Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.
Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.
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Two men stabbed dead within hours as violent crime soars in London
The shocking attacks come as new figures revealed crime overall in London is rising, with significant increases in cases of youth violence.
A total of 35 young people under the age of 25 have been murdered in the capital in the last 12 months, an 84 per cent rise on the same period last year.
The number of cases of serious youth violence - a measure of gang activity - also rose by 18 per cent.
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as well as a 16 per cent rise in the number of rapes.
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Gun crime rose by nearly 19 per cent and the number of shootings was up by 11 per cent to 338.
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London now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest
While both London and New York have populations of around 8 million, figures suggest you are almost six times more likely to be burgled in the British capital than in the US city, and one and a half times more likely to fall victim to a robbery.
London has almost three times the number of reported rapes and while the murder rate in New York remains higher, the gap is narrowing dramatically.
The change in fortunes of the two global cities has been put down largely to the difference in tactics adopted by the two police forces.
Both Scotland Yard and the New York City Police Department (NYPD) have just over 30,000 officers each and budgets of around ÂŁ3 billion a year.
But in the mid-1990s spiralling crime rates in New York - sparked by the crack cocaine epidemic - resulted in radical a new approach being adopted by the city's police department.
Under the leadership of Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and police commissioner, Bill Bratton, the NYPD introduced a zero tolerance approach to low level crime and flooded problem areas with patrols.
The force also put a huge amount of emphasis on community policing in order to build bridges between the police and members of the public.
As a result the murder plummeted from a high in 1990 of over 2,000 to a record low of 335 last year.
That figure is expected to fall even lower this year, and is currently in line to dip below 240.
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Arrests plunge by half in 10 years despite soaring crime rate
The new figures come just days after it was revealed the total number of crimes recorded year on year passed the 5 million mark for the first time in a decade.
In the year ending March 2017, only 11 per cent of crimes resulted in someone being charged. In almost half of all crimes (48 per cent) no suspects were identified.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/cri...f-destruction-as-cowboy-builder-a3668551.html
However, others have pointed to the pressure put on the dwindling number of officers, with a 13 per cent drop in numbers recorded by the Home Office between 2010 and 2016.
Lord Blunkett said: "Police are reluctant to arrest people because of the amount of paperwork involved, so officers are encouraged to give warnings rather than arrest people.
"That means people are on the street who might otherwise be prosecuted and it sends a signal that reverberates very quickly, leading criminals to think they can get away with it."
Campaigners have warned victims are losing confidence in police forces that increasingly treat crimes such as burglary and assault as minor incidents.
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Speaking to the Telegraph, David Green, chief executive of the Civitas think tank, said: "The police are unable to cope with the volume of crime, and the 20,000 drop in police numbers is bound to have made a difference."
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It prevents crime when used in SELF DEFENSE.
But that doesn't matter to you does it?
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Yeah....in other words the GVA lied...thanks. There is a specific definition of mass public shootings which all Americans understand, which is why they lie when they include gang shootings at a party over a crap game or a girlfriend.....
Mother JOnes uses the FBI definition, and gives all of the details, not one of them involves a gang shooting.
A stranger walking into a public space is not the same thing as a gang shooting over drug territory or a facebook insult...there is a reason the FBI categorizes them differently.
Dragonlady
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Your list doesn’t include mass shootings of family members either. This is one of the great sources of mass shootings. If you only count a mass shooting in a public place you can make it seem that gun violence isn’t that bad. That families with an abusive male head of household aren’t 7 times more likely to end up dead if said abusive male owns a gun.
You’ll go to any length to downplay the costs in human life that unrestricted gun ownership has wrought.
You’ll go to any length to downplay the costs in human life that unrestricted gun ownership has wrought.
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Because they can be killed by other means. The FBI defined this, not me, they do not use family killings as mass public shootings...the only reason the anti gunners do is because if they don't....they only get a small number of actual mass public shootings......and that doesn't sell well to the uninformed.....
And the gun in the home isn't the issue, twit. The history of crime, violence, drug and alcohol abuse is the issue in those homes....when you compare all the homes with guns in them where the families aren't murdered....twit.
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Get ready for higher and higher violent crime rates in Europe....they are doing exactly what the democrats here do....cutting police, cutting police funding, tying police hands with stupid policies.....and importing violent criminals, and creating more and more young male sociopaths .....
Calling the Cops in Europe? Don't Bother
Even as these establishment functionaries continue to insist that no-go zones are a myth, however, news reports are indicating that in several European countries, the policing problem has advanced beyond the mere fact of no-go zones. Earlier this month, for instance, the Dutch newspaper Het Parool reported that throughout the Netherlands, police departments are now so overburdened by “radicalization, terrorism, and the influx of asylum seekers” that they simply don't have the time to investigate a large percentage of crimes. In Rotterdam, 54% of crime reports are tossed at once, without even a cursory effort to track down a perpetrator; in The Hague, the figure is 48.5%; in Amsterdam, it's a whopping 64.8%. The overall national figure is 56%.
One night nineteen years ago, a few steps away from Muntplein, a busy square in the heart of Amsterdam, I was accosted by a young Muslim man who held a knife on me and demanded my money while a half dozen of his pals hovered threateningly nearby, at canal's edge.
More angry than scared, I responded with what may be described as foolish bravado, telling my assailant to hit the road. He backed off, and headed with his friends down the canal, presumably in search of someone else to mug.
For my part, I went to the nearest bar and ordered a gin and tonic. I was so stunned that it didn't even occur to me until I was halfway through my second drink that I should've gone immediately to the police. Even all those years ago, I doubted that filing a police report would've made any difference. Today, apparently, it would almost certainly be a waste of time.
The same thing's happening in Britain. On October 16, the Daily Mail reported that every police force in the country was now “abandoning inquiries into thousands of 'hard to solve' low-level offences.”
What kinds of offenses? The list includes “vandalism, theft, burglary and antisocial behaviour,” plus minor incidents of “grievous bodily harm” and “car crime.”
Of course, these are infractions that are committed, to a wildly disproportionate degree, by Muslims.
The message is clear: if you're the victim of a violation that falls into any one of these categories, you need not bother reporting it, unless you actually know who committed it or have evidence that seems likely to help police identify the perpetrator without too much time or effort.
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Cases will also be abandoned at once if there aren't any “viable lines of inquiry,” whatever that's supposed to mean. Sara Thornton, head of the National Police Chiefs' Council, defended this new opposite-of-zero-tolerance approach, explaining that “we must prioritise so we are using our resources to the best effect and protecting people who need it most.”
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