Anti-abortion activist killed in front High School

[jillian]

Actually, he's late...we've been discussing this since 10:15 this a.m. It doesn't appear that the murder had anything to do with the one victim's activism. The first victim seems to have no such ties and it seems that it's more of a personal grudge since there was also a planned attack on a local real estate broker.

and I'm figuring this thread should be merged into the one that was open all day.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/curre...ion-activist-killed-in-front-high-school.html

Thank you Princess, I generally just read the first 2 pages of the politics board, then post a new thread. I wonder at your assumption that this had nothing to do with the victims activism and you reducing it to a grudge. Does that really make it OK for you?

What a bizarre question.

it's cause he wants it to be a political killing...same stuff we were talking about earlier.

 

[Lumpy 1]

Sadly, Jim Pouillon, while sitting by Owosso High School in Michigan was shot and killed as he was protesting for LIFE of the Innocent Unborn. This was a drive by shooting as terrified teenagers watched in horror.
I guess, if you don't torture, murder or profit from the Innocent Unborn you just don't make the news on ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC or the other government dependent news channels. No outrage, no caring, no liberal news!

Prosecutors: Gunman With Grudge Kills 2 in Mich. - ABC News

Anti-abortion activist killed near school - Crime & courts- msnbc.com

2 Slain, Including Abortion Activist - CBS News

You fail, and fail BADLY.

I just saw this on CNN and, of all places, the Rachel Maddow Show.

Way to jump on a tragedy to politicize.

Nice they could reduce it to a grudge for you, make you feel good about it...

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Actually, he's late...we've been discussing this since 10:15 this a.m. It doesn't appear that the murder had anything to do with the one victim's activism. The first victim seems to have no such ties and it seems that it's more of a personal grudge since there was also a planned attack on a local real estate broker.

and I'm figuring this thread should be merged into the one that was open all day.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/curre...ion-activist-killed-in-front-high-school.html

Thank you Princess, I generally just read the first 2 pages of the politics board, then post a new thread. I wonder at your assumption that this had nothing to do with the victims activism and you reducing it to a grudge. Does that really make it OK for you?

Murder is never ok. However, saying it's about the activism is misleading given there was a first victim who owned a local business and another intended victim who is a real estate broker. There doesn't seem to be anything poltiical about this, so why make it that way. And why is the activist's life of any greater value than the business owner?

This isn't like the murder of doctors by religious loonies... and it's deceptive to pretend it is. So I'll refer you to thedrisin's post...

Wait? How many doctors have been murdered Jillian? Go ahead provide us this massive list accumulated since 1974.

 

[jillian]

Sadly, Jim Pouillon, while sitting by Owosso High School in Michigan was shot and killed as he was protesting for LIFE of the Innocent Unborn. This was a drive by shooting as terrified teenagers watched in horror.
I guess, if you don't torture, murder or profit from the Innocent Unborn you just don't make the news on ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC or the other government dependent news channels. No outrage, no caring, no liberal news!

According to the left, he got what he deserved.

liar...

 

[Article 15]

Threads merged

~A15

 

[jillian]

Nice they could reduce it to a grudge for you, make you feel good about it...

the better question is why do you want to LIE and pretend it's a political killing?

you get some sick satisfaction in that?

 

[Article 15]

Sadly, Jim Pouillon, while sitting by Owosso High School in Michigan was shot and killed as he was protesting for LIFE of the Innocent Unborn. This was a drive by shooting as terrified teenagers watched in horror.
I guess, if you don't torture, murder or profit from the Innocent Unborn you just don't make the news on ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC or the other government dependent news channels. No outrage, no caring, no liberal news!

According to the left, he got what he deserved.

That's pretty hilarious when you think about how some people treated the death of Dr. Tiller.

 

[jillian]

That's pretty hilarious when you think about how some people treated the death of Dr. Tiller.

he lets his fevered imagination run away with him.

 

[JW Frogen]

liar...

A minimalist rebute.

 

[jillian]

liar...

A minimalist rebute.

I never protest too much.

And sometimes one has no need to overstate the obvious.

 

[paperview]

Thank you Princess, I generally just read the first 2 pages of the politics board, then post a new thread. I wonder at your assumption that this had nothing to do with the victims activism and you reducing it to a grudge. Does that really make it OK for you?

Murder is never ok. However, saying it's about the activism is misleading given there was a first victim who owned a local business and another intended victim who is a real estate broker. There doesn't seem to be anything poltiical about this, so why make it that way. And why is the activist's life of any greater value than the business owner?

This isn't like the murder of doctors by religious loonies... and it's deceptive to pretend it is. So I'll refer you to thedrisin's post...

Wait? How many doctors have been murdered Jillian? Go ahead provide us this massive list accumulated since 1974.

Here's a start:

Murders

In the U.S., violence directed toward abortion providers has killed at least nine people, including five doctors, two clinic employees, a security guard, and a clinic escort.[5]

• March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn of Pensacola, Florida was fatally shot during a protest. He had been the subject of wanted-style posters distributed by Operation Rescue in the summer of 1992. Michael F. Griffin was found guilty of Dr. Gunn's murder and was sentenced to life in prison.
• July 29, 1994: Dr. John Britton and James Barrett, a clinic escort, were both shot to death outside of another facility in Pensacola. Rev. Paul Jennings Hill was charged with the killings, received a death sentence, and was executed September 3, 2003.
• December 30, 1994: Two receptionists, Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols, were killed in two clinic attacks in Brookline, Massachusetts. John Salvi, who prior to his arrest was distributing pamphlets from Human Life International,[6] was arrested and confessed to the killings. He died in prison and guards found his body under his bed with a plastic garbage bag tied around his head. Salvi had also confessed to a non-lethal attack in Norfolk, Virginia days before the Brookline killings.
• January 29, 1998: Robert Sanderson, an off-duty police officer who worked as a security guard at an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, was killed when his workplace was bombed. Eric Robert Rudolph, who was also responsible for the 1996 Centennial Olympic Park bombing, was charged with the crime and received two life sentences as a result.
• October 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot to death at his home in Amherst, New York. His was the last in a series of similar shootings against providers in Canada and northern New York state which were all likely committed by James Kopp. Kopp was convicted of Dr. Slepian's murder after finally being apprehended in France in 2001.
• May 31, 2009: Dr. George Tiller was shot and killed as he served as an usher at his church in Wichita, Kansas.[7]

Another doctor, George Patterson, was shot and killed in Mobile, Alabama on August 21, 1993, but it is uncertain whether his death was the direct result of his profession or rather a robbery.[8]

Attempted murder, assault, and threats

According to statistics gathered by the National Abortion Federation (NAF), an organization of abortion providers, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, there have been 17 attempted murders, 383 death threats, 153 incidents of assault or battery, and 3 kidnappings committed against abortion providers.[9] The attempted murders were:[5][10][11]

• July 12, 1992: Musician Kurt Cobain of the band Nirvana was a vocal supporter of the pro-choice movement, participating in the Rock for Choice movement organized by the band L7. Cobain would receive death threats from pro-life acitivsts for doing so, one activist threatening that Cobain would be shot the moment he stepped on stage.[12]
• August 19, 1993: Dr. George Tiller was shot outside of an abortion facility in Wichita, Kansas. Shelley Shannon was charged with the crime and received an 11-year prison sentence (20 years were later added for arson and acid attacks on clinics).
• July 29, 1994: June Barret was shot in the same attack which claimed the lives of James Barrett, her husband, and Dr. John Britton.
• December 30, 1994: Five individuals were wounded in the same-day shootings which killed Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols.
• December 18, 1996: Dr. Calvin Jackson of New Orleans, Louisiana was stabbed 15 times, losing 4 pints of blood. Donald Cooper was charged with second-degree attempted murder and sentenced to 20 years.[13]
• October 28, 1997: Dr. David Gandell of Rochester, New York was injured by flying glass when a shot was fired through the window of his home.[14]
• January 29, 1998: Emily Lyons, a nurse, was severely injured in the bombing which also killed Robert Sanderson.

Anthrax threats

The first letters claiming to contain anthrax were mailed to U.S. clinics in October 1998, a few days after the Slepian shooting, and since then, there have been a total of 655 such bioterror threats made against abortion providers. None of the "anthrax" in these cases was real.[10][15]

• November 2001: After the genuine 2001 anthrax attacks, Clayton Waagner mailed hoax letters containing a white powder to 554 clinics. Waagner was convicted of 51 charges relating to the anthrax scare on December 3, 2003.

Arson, bombing, and property crime

According to NAF, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, property crimes committed against abortion providers have included 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, 1630 incidents of trespassing, 1264 incidents of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric acid ("stink bombs").[9] The first clinic arson occurred in Oregon in March 1976 and the first bombing occurred in February 1978 in Ohio.[16] More recent incidents have included:[5]

• December 25, 1984: An abortion clinic and two physicians' offices in Pensacola, Florida were bombed in the early morning of Christmas Day by a quartet of young people (Matt Goldsby, Jimmy Simmons, Kathy Simmons, Kaye Wiggins) who later called the bombings "a gift to Jesus on his birthday."[17][18][19]
• October 1999: Martin Uphoff set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, causing US$100 worth of damage. He was later sentenced to 60 months in prison.[20]
• May 28, 2000: An arson at a clinic in Concord, New Hampshire on resulted in damage estimated at US$20,000. The case remains unsolved.[21]
• September 30, 2000: A Catholic priest drove his car into the Northern Illinois Health Clinic after learning that the FDA had approved the drug RU-486. He pulled out an ax before being shot at by a security guard.[22]
• June 11, 2001: An unsolved bombing at a clinic in Tacoma, Washington destroyed a wall, resulting in US$6000 in damages. [20]
• July 4, 2005: A clinic Palm Beach, Florida was the target of an arson. The case remains open.[20]
• December 12, 2005: Patricia Hughes and Jeremy Dunahoe threw a Molotov cocktail at a clinic in Shreveport, Louisiana. The device missed the building and no damage was caused. In August 2006, Hughes was sentenced to six years in prison, and Dunahoe to one year. Hughes claimed the bomb was a “memorial lamp” for an abortion she had had there. [23]
• September 13, 2006 David McMenemy of Rochester Hills, Michigan crashed his car into the Edgerton Women's Care Center in Davenport, Iowa. He then doused the lobby in gasoline and then started a fire. McMenemy committed these acts in the belief that the center was performing abortions, however Edgerton is not an abortion clinc.[24]
• April 25, 2007: A package left at a women's health clinic in Austin, Texas contained an explosive device capable of inflicting serious injury or death. A bomb squad detonated the device after evacuating the building. Paul Ross Evans (who had a criminal record for armed robbery and theft) was found guilty of the crime. [25]
• May 9, 2007: An unidentified person deliberately set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Virginia Beach, Virginia.[26]
• December 6, 2007: Chad Altman and Sergio Baca were arrested for the arson of Dr. Curtis Boyd's clinic in Albuquerque. Altman’s girlfriend had scheduled an appointment for an abortion at the clinic. [27]
• January 22, 2009 Matthew L. Derosia, 32, who was reported to have h

 

[hjmick]

Actually, he's late...we've been discussing this since 10:15 this a.m. It doesn't appear that the murder had anything to do with the one victim's activism. The first victim seems to have no such ties and it seems that it's more of a personal grudge since there was also a planned attack on a local real estate broker.

and I'm figuring this thread should be merged into the one that was open all day.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/curre...ion-activist-killed-in-front-high-school.html

Thank you Princess, I generally just read the first 2 pages of the politics board, then post a new thread. I wonder at your assumption that this had nothing to do with the victims activism and you reducing it to a grudge. Does that really make it OK for you?

Murder is never ok. However, saying it's about the activism is misleading given there was a first victim who owned a local business and another intended victim who is a real estate broker. There doesn't seem to be anything poltiical about this, so why make it that way. And why is the activist's life of any greater value than the business owner?

This isn't like the murder of doctors by religious loonies... and it's deceptive to pretend it is. So I'll refer you to thedrisin's post...

Actually, according to CNN:

Authorities say the suspect, Harlan James Drake, was offended by anti-abortion material that the activist had displayed across from the school all week.

And according to AP:

"The defendant had ill will toward these three individuals - not for the same reason necessarily, but had a grudge," Colbry said...

...

After Drake left the school, he drove seven miles to the Fuoss Gravel Co. where he gunned down Fuoss in his office, authorities said. The two men knew each other, but officials didn't say how.

So in truth, at least according to "authorities," it was his activism that made him a target. And he was the first victim.

And both lives are indeed equal, on this we agree.

As to equating the murder of Mr. Pouillon to the murder of Dr. Tiller, unless the facts prove otherwise and the man's anti-abortion stance was not a factor, I believe comparisons are valid with two exceptions:

1. This case in Flint had two victims apparently targeted for different reasons.

2. Dr. Tiller was well known on the national stage.

And in closing let me add this, I am of the opinion that anyone who commits murder has got to be a little "looney" to say the least.

 

[AllieBaba]

liar...

A minimalist rebute.

I never protest too much.

And sometimes one has no need to overstate the obvious.

And sometimes one just doesn't have anything pertinent to say.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Sadly, Jim Pouillon, while sitting by Owosso High School in Michigan was shot and killed as he was protesting for LIFE of the Innocent Unborn. This was a drive by shooting as terrified teenagers watched in horror.
I guess, if you don't torture, murder or profit from the Innocent Unborn you just don't make the news on ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC or the other government dependent news channels. No outrage, no caring, no liberal news!

Prosecutors: Gunman With Grudge Kills 2 in Mich. - ABC News

Anti-abortion activist killed near school - Crime & courts- msnbc.com

2 Slain, Including Abortion Activist - CBS News

You fail, and fail BADLY.

I just saw this on CNN and, of all places, the Rachel Maddow Show.

Way to jump on a tragedy to politicize.

Nice they could reduce it to a grudge for you, make you feel good about it...

Please point out exactly where I said anything about it being a grudge. While you're at it, you could point out where I said anything about feeling good about it. Or anything of the sort. I merely pointed out your lies about it not being reported by the "liberal" media.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Thank you Princess, I generally just read the first 2 pages of the politics board, then post a new thread. I wonder at your assumption that this had nothing to do with the victims activism and you reducing it to a grudge. Does that really make it OK for you?

Murder is never ok. However, saying it's about the activism is misleading given there was a first victim who owned a local business and another intended victim who is a real estate broker. There doesn't seem to be anything poltiical about this, so why make it that way. And why is the activist's life of any greater value than the business owner?

This isn't like the murder of doctors by religious loonies... and it's deceptive to pretend it is. So I'll refer you to thedrisin's post...

Actually, according to CNN:

Authorities say the suspect, Harlan James Drake, was offended by anti-abortion material that the activist had displayed across from the school all week.

And according to AP:

"The defendant had ill will toward these three individuals - not for the same reason necessarily, but had a grudge," Colbry said...

...

After Drake left the school, he drove seven miles to the Fuoss Gravel Co. where he gunned down Fuoss in his office, authorities said. The two men knew each other, but officials didn't say how.

So in truth, at least according to "authorities," it was his activism that made him a target. And he was the first victim.

And both lives are indeed equal, on this we agree.

As to equating the murder of Mr. Pouillon to the murder of Dr. Tiller, unless the facts prove otherwise and the man's anti-abortion stance was not a factor, I believe comparisons are valid with two exceptions:

1. This case in Flint had two victims apparently targeted for different reasons.

2. Dr. Tiller was well known on the National stage.

And in closing let me add this, I am of the opinion that anyone who commits murder has got to be a little "looney" to say the least.

I would go so far as to stipulate that the motives in either case were irrelevant - both were terrible acts of murder - no more, no less.

 

[AllieBaba]

Murder is never ok. However, saying it's about the activism is misleading given there was a first victim who owned a local business and another intended victim who is a real estate broker. There doesn't seem to be anything poltiical about this, so why make it that way. And why is the activist's life of any greater value than the business owner?

This isn't like the murder of doctors by religious loonies... and it's deceptive to pretend it is. So I'll refer you to thedrisin's post...

Wait? How many doctors have been murdered Jillian? Go ahead provide us this massive list accumulated since 1974.

Here's a start:

Murders

In the U.S., violence directed toward abortion providers has killed at least nine people, including five doctors, two clinic employees, a security guard, and a clinic escort.[5]

• March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn of Pensacola, Florida was fatally shot during a protest. He had been the subject of wanted-style posters distributed by Operation Rescue in the summer of 1992. Michael F. Griffin was found guilty of Dr. Gunn's murder and was sentenced to life in prison.
• July 29, 1994: Dr. John Britton and James Barrett, a clinic escort, were both shot to death outside of another facility in Pensacola. Rev. Paul Jennings Hill was charged with the killings, received a death sentence, and was executed September 3, 2003.
• December 30, 1994: Two receptionists, Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols, were killed in two clinic attacks in Brookline, Massachusetts. John Salvi, who prior to his arrest was distributing pamphlets from Human Life International,[6] was arrested and confessed to the killings. He died in prison and guards found his body under his bed with a plastic garbage bag tied around his head. Salvi had also confessed to a non-lethal attack in Norfolk, Virginia days before the Brookline killings.
• January 29, 1998: Robert Sanderson, an off-duty police officer who worked as a security guard at an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, was killed when his workplace was bombed. Eric Robert Rudolph, who was also responsible for the 1996 Centennial Olympic Park bombing, was charged with the crime and received two life sentences as a result.
• October 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot to death at his home in Amherst, New York. His was the last in a series of similar shootings against providers in Canada and northern New York state which were all likely committed by James Kopp. Kopp was convicted of Dr. Slepian's murder after finally being apprehended in France in 2001.
• May 31, 2009: Dr. George Tiller was shot and killed as he served as an usher at his church in Wichita, Kansas.[7]

Another doctor, George Patterson, was shot and killed in Mobile, Alabama on August 21, 1993, but it is uncertain whether his death was the direct result of his profession or rather a robbery.[8]

Attempted murder, assault, and threats

According to statistics gathered by the National Abortion Federation (NAF), an organization of abortion providers, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, there have been 17 attempted murders, 383 death threats, 153 incidents of assault or battery, and 3 kidnappings committed against abortion providers.[9] The attempted murders were:[5][10][11]

• July 12, 1992: Musician Kurt Cobain of the band Nirvana was a vocal supporter of the pro-choice movement, participating in the Rock for Choice movement organized by the band L7. Cobain would receive death threats from pro-life acitivsts for doing so, one activist threatening that Cobain would be shot the moment he stepped on stage.[12]
• August 19, 1993: Dr. George Tiller was shot outside of an abortion facility in Wichita, Kansas. Shelley Shannon was charged with the crime and received an 11-year prison sentence (20 years were later added for arson and acid attacks on clinics).
• July 29, 1994: June Barret was shot in the same attack which claimed the lives of James Barrett, her husband, and Dr. John Britton.
• December 30, 1994: Five individuals were wounded in the same-day shootings which killed Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols.
• December 18, 1996: Dr. Calvin Jackson of New Orleans, Louisiana was stabbed 15 times, losing 4 pints of blood. Donald Cooper was charged with second-degree attempted murder and sentenced to 20 years.[13]
• October 28, 1997: Dr. David Gandell of Rochester, New York was injured by flying glass when a shot was fired through the window of his home.[14]
• January 29, 1998: Emily Lyons, a nurse, was severely injured in the bombing which also killed Robert Sanderson.

Anthrax threats

The first letters claiming to contain anthrax were mailed to U.S. clinics in October 1998, a few days after the Slepian shooting, and since then, there have been a total of 655 such bioterror threats made against abortion providers. None of the "anthrax" in these cases was real.[10][15]

• November 2001: After the genuine 2001 anthrax attacks, Clayton Waagner mailed hoax letters containing a white powder to 554 clinics. Waagner was convicted of 51 charges relating to the anthrax scare on December 3, 2003.

Arson, bombing, and property crime

According to NAF, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, property crimes committed against abortion providers have included 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, 1630 incidents of trespassing, 1264 incidents of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric acid ("stink bombs").[9] The first clinic arson occurred in Oregon in March 1976 and the first bombing occurred in February 1978 in Ohio.[16] More recent incidents have included:[5]

• December 25, 1984: An abortion clinic and two physicians' offices in Pensacola, Florida were bombed in the early morning of Christmas Day by a quartet of young people (Matt Goldsby, Jimmy Simmons, Kathy Simmons, Kaye Wiggins) who later called the bombings "a gift to Jesus on his birthday."[17][18][19]
• October 1999: Martin Uphoff set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, causing US$100 worth of damage. He was later sentenced to 60 months in prison.[20]
• May 28, 2000: An arson at a clinic in Concord, New Hampshire on resulted in damage estimated at US$20,000. The case remains unsolved.[21]
• September 30, 2000: A Catholic priest drove his car into the Northern Illinois Health Clinic after learning that the FDA had approved the drug RU-486. He pulled out an ax before being shot at by a security guard.[22]
• June 11, 2001: An unsolved bombing at a clinic in Tacoma, Washington destroyed a wall, resulting in US$6000 in damages. [20]
• July 4, 2005: A clinic Palm Beach, Florida was the target of an arson. The case remains open.[20]
• December 12, 2005: Patricia Hughes and Jeremy Dunahoe threw a Molotov cocktail at a clinic in Shreveport, Louisiana. The device missed the building and no damage was caused. In August 2006, Hughes was sentenced to six years in prison, and Dunahoe to one year. Hughes claimed the bomb was a “memorial lamp” for an abortion she had had there. [23]
• September 13, 2006 David McMenemy of Rochester Hills, Michigan crashed his car into the Edgerton Women's Care Center in Davenport, Iowa. He then doused the lobby in gasoline and then started a fire. McMenemy committed these acts in the belief that the center was performing abortions, however Edgerton is not an abortion clinc.[24]
• April 25, 2007: A package left at a women's health clinic in Austin, Texas contained an explosive device capable of inflicting serious injury or death. A bomb squad detonated the device after evacuating the building. Paul Ross Evans (who had a criminal record for armed robbery and theft) was found guilty of the crime. [25]
• May 9, 2007: An unidentified person deliberately set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Virginia Beach, Virginia.[26]
• December 6, 2007: Chad Altman and Sergio Baca were arrested for the arson of Dr. Curtis Boyd's clinic in Albuquerque. Altman’s girlfriend had scheduled an appointment for an abortion at the clinic. [27]
• January 22, 2009 Matthew L. Derosia, 32, who was reported to have h

Lol...Kurt Cobain was KILLED because he supported abortion?

Well done. You just obliterated any credibility your post might have had. Because once one reads that, it's all over. Please, mods, for the love of all you hold important, transport this to "Conspiracy Theories".

 

[hjmick]

Murder is never ok. However, saying it's about the activism is misleading given there was a first victim who owned a local business and another intended victim who is a real estate broker. There doesn't seem to be anything poltiical about this, so why make it that way. And why is the activist's life of any greater value than the business owner?

This isn't like the murder of doctors by religious loonies... and it's deceptive to pretend it is. So I'll refer you to thedrisin's post...

Actually, according to CNN:



And according to AP:

"The defendant had ill will toward these three individuals - not for the same reason necessarily, but had a grudge," Colbry said...

...

After Drake left the school, he drove seven miles to the Fuoss Gravel Co. where he gunned down Fuoss in his office, authorities said. The two men knew each other, but officials didn't say how.

So in truth, at least according to "authorities," it was his activism that made him a target. And he was the first victim.

And both lives are indeed equal, on this we agree.

As to equating the murder of Mr. Pouillon to the murder of Dr. Tiller, unless the facts prove otherwise and the man's anti-abortion stance was not a factor, I believe comparisons are valid with two exceptions:

1. This case in Flint had two victims apparently targeted for different reasons.

2. Dr. Tiller was well known on the National stage.

And in closing let me add this, I am of the opinion that anyone who commits murder has got to be a little "looney" to say the least.

I would go so far as to stipulate that the motives in either case were irrelevant - both were terrible acts of murder - no more, no less.

And then there's that.

 

[JW Frogen]

I never protest too much.
.

Yeah, I don't have a permenent sense of outrage either. No raging against the machine, better to just let it rust.

Only in the morning, before the liqour stores open.

24 HOUR LIQOUR STORES!!!!!!!!

How hard is that?

Anyhoo......

 

[JW Frogen]

Lol...Kurt Cobain was KILLED because he supported abortion?.

True, but only retrospectively, and only with Courtney Love .

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Wait? How many doctors have been murdered Jillian? Go ahead provide us this massive list accumulated since 1974.

Here's a start:

Murders

In the U.S., violence directed toward abortion providers has killed at least nine people, including five doctors, two clinic employees, a security guard, and a clinic escort.[5]

• March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn of Pensacola, Florida was fatally shot during a protest. He had been the subject of wanted-style posters distributed by Operation Rescue in the summer of 1992. Michael F. Griffin was found guilty of Dr. Gunn's murder and was sentenced to life in prison.
• July 29, 1994: Dr. John Britton and James Barrett, a clinic escort, were both shot to death outside of another facility in Pensacola. Rev. Paul Jennings Hill was charged with the killings, received a death sentence, and was executed September 3, 2003.
• December 30, 1994: Two receptionists, Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols, were killed in two clinic attacks in Brookline, Massachusetts. John Salvi, who prior to his arrest was distributing pamphlets from Human Life International,[6] was arrested and confessed to the killings. He died in prison and guards found his body under his bed with a plastic garbage bag tied around his head. Salvi had also confessed to a non-lethal attack in Norfolk, Virginia days before the Brookline killings.
• January 29, 1998: Robert Sanderson, an off-duty police officer who worked as a security guard at an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, was killed when his workplace was bombed. Eric Robert Rudolph, who was also responsible for the 1996 Centennial Olympic Park bombing, was charged with the crime and received two life sentences as a result.
• October 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot to death at his home in Amherst, New York. His was the last in a series of similar shootings against providers in Canada and northern New York state which were all likely committed by James Kopp. Kopp was convicted of Dr. Slepian's murder after finally being apprehended in France in 2001.
• May 31, 2009: Dr. George Tiller was shot and killed as he served as an usher at his church in Wichita, Kansas.[7]

Another doctor, George Patterson, was shot and killed in Mobile, Alabama on August 21, 1993, but it is uncertain whether his death was the direct result of his profession or rather a robbery.[8]

Attempted murder, assault, and threats

According to statistics gathered by the National Abortion Federation (NAF), an organization of abortion providers, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, there have been 17 attempted murders, 383 death threats, 153 incidents of assault or battery, and 3 kidnappings committed against abortion providers.[9] The attempted murders were:[5][10][11]

• July 12, 1992: Musician Kurt Cobain of the band Nirvana was a vocal supporter of the pro-choice movement, participating in the Rock for Choice movement organized by the band L7. Cobain would receive death threats from pro-life acitivsts for doing so, one activist threatening that Cobain would be shot the moment he stepped on stage.[12]
• August 19, 1993: Dr. George Tiller was shot outside of an abortion facility in Wichita, Kansas. Shelley Shannon was charged with the crime and received an 11-year prison sentence (20 years were later added for arson and acid attacks on clinics).
• July 29, 1994: June Barret was shot in the same attack which claimed the lives of James Barrett, her husband, and Dr. John Britton.
• December 30, 1994: Five individuals were wounded in the same-day shootings which killed Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols.
• December 18, 1996: Dr. Calvin Jackson of New Orleans, Louisiana was stabbed 15 times, losing 4 pints of blood. Donald Cooper was charged with second-degree attempted murder and sentenced to 20 years.[13]
• October 28, 1997: Dr. David Gandell of Rochester, New York was injured by flying glass when a shot was fired through the window of his home.[14]
• January 29, 1998: Emily Lyons, a nurse, was severely injured in the bombing which also killed Robert Sanderson.

Anthrax threats

The first letters claiming to contain anthrax were mailed to U.S. clinics in October 1998, a few days after the Slepian shooting, and since then, there have been a total of 655 such bioterror threats made against abortion providers. None of the "anthrax" in these cases was real.[10][15]

• November 2001: After the genuine 2001 anthrax attacks, Clayton Waagner mailed hoax letters containing a white powder to 554 clinics. Waagner was convicted of 51 charges relating to the anthrax scare on December 3, 2003.

Arson, bombing, and property crime

According to NAF, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, property crimes committed against abortion providers have included 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, 1630 incidents of trespassing, 1264 incidents of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric acid ("stink bombs").[9] The first clinic arson occurred in Oregon in March 1976 and the first bombing occurred in February 1978 in Ohio.[16] More recent incidents have included:[5]

• December 25, 1984: An abortion clinic and two physicians' offices in Pensacola, Florida were bombed in the early morning of Christmas Day by a quartet of young people (Matt Goldsby, Jimmy Simmons, Kathy Simmons, Kaye Wiggins) who later called the bombings "a gift to Jesus on his birthday."[17][18][19]
• October 1999: Martin Uphoff set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, causing US$100 worth of damage. He was later sentenced to 60 months in prison.[20]
• May 28, 2000: An arson at a clinic in Concord, New Hampshire on resulted in damage estimated at US$20,000. The case remains unsolved.[21]
• September 30, 2000: A Catholic priest drove his car into the Northern Illinois Health Clinic after learning that the FDA had approved the drug RU-486. He pulled out an ax before being shot at by a security guard.[22]
• June 11, 2001: An unsolved bombing at a clinic in Tacoma, Washington destroyed a wall, resulting in US$6000 in damages. [20]
• July 4, 2005: A clinic Palm Beach, Florida was the target of an arson. The case remains open.[20]
• December 12, 2005: Patricia Hughes and Jeremy Dunahoe threw a Molotov cocktail at a clinic in Shreveport, Louisiana. The device missed the building and no damage was caused. In August 2006, Hughes was sentenced to six years in prison, and Dunahoe to one year. Hughes claimed the bomb was a “memorial lamp” for an abortion she had had there. [23]
• September 13, 2006 David McMenemy of Rochester Hills, Michigan crashed his car into the Edgerton Women's Care Center in Davenport, Iowa. He then doused the lobby in gasoline and then started a fire. McMenemy committed these acts in the belief that the center was performing abortions, however Edgerton is not an abortion clinc.[24]
• April 25, 2007: A package left at a women's health clinic in Austin, Texas contained an explosive device capable of inflicting serious injury or death. A bomb squad detonated the device after evacuating the building. Paul Ross Evans (who had a criminal record for armed robbery and theft) was found guilty of the crime. [25]
• May 9, 2007: An unidentified person deliberately set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Virginia Beach, Virginia.[26]
• December 6, 2007: Chad Altman and Sergio Baca were arrested for the arson of Dr. Curtis Boyd's clinic in Albuquerque. Altman’s girlfriend had scheduled an appointment for an abortion at the clinic. [27]
• January 22, 2009 Matthew L. Derosia, 32, who was reported to have h

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Have a reading comprehension problem?
Re-read the post. It says Kurt Cobain received death threats.