Anthropomorphic Physiology and Higher Intelligence

[Cassandro]

I have been watching some science fiction videos on YouTube which describe human-like aliens in other galaxies. Assuming they might exist, I wonder about any connection between anthropomorphic physiology and higher intelligence. For example, it seems plausible that such beings would be warm blooded in order to provide a constant source of nutrients for the brain. Other prerequisites might be an upright bipedal structure to allow for more specialized appendages and binocular vision to aid in three dimensional perception.

What do you think of these as necessary traits? One could also add a long gestation period (as opposed to external eggs) and a hybrid eating/breathing/communication system. (Maybe the only independent variables would be ear shape and eye/skin/hair color.) Since none of the other life forms on Earth show any potential for developing higher intelligence, maybe the same would be true for other worlds?

 

[scruffy]

I have been watching some science fiction videos on YouTube which describe human-like aliens in other galaxies. Assuming they might exist, I wonder about any connection between anthropomorphic physiology and higher intelligence. For example, it seems plausible that such beings would be warm blooded in order to provide a constant source of nutrients for the brain. Other prerequisites might be an upright bipedal structure to allow for more specialized appendages and binocular vision to aid in three dimensional perception.

Temperature control, cephalization, lateralization, and a unified sensorium. The biological attractors for evolution are the same everywhere.

What do you think of these as necessary traits? One could also add a long gestation period (as opposed to external eggs) and a hybrid eating/breathing/communication system.

Precise dynamic control of communication is important. It's nothing special though. It's an early requirement, it happens in single cells at the molecular level.

(Maybe the only independent variables would be ear shape and eye/skin/hair color.) Since none of the other life forms on Earth show any potential for developing higher intelligence, maybe the same would be true for other worlds?

Elephants, whales, and dolphins all demonstrate higher intelligence. Dolphins can talk, elephants communicate with low frequency vibrations. Elephants are spiritual, they ritually mourn their dead.

 

[ReinyDays]

I have been watching some science fiction videos on YouTube which describe human-like aliens in other galaxies. Assuming they might exist, I wonder about any connection between anthropomorphic physiology and higher intelligence. For example, it seems plausible that such beings would be warm blooded in order to provide a constant source of nutrients for the brain. Other prerequisites might be an upright bipedal structure to allow for more specialized appendages and binocular vision to aid in three dimensional perception.

What do you think of these as necessary traits? One could also add a long gestation period (as opposed to external eggs) and a hybrid eating/breathing/communication system. (Maybe the only independent variables would be ear shape and eye/skin/hair color.) Since none of the other life forms on Earth show any potential for developing higher intelligence, maybe the same would be true for other worlds?

Too many counter-examples here on Earth ... monitor lizards are quite advanced and still cold-blooded ... plotting, deception, scheming, thieving ... all signs of higher intelligence ... honey bees as a hive are amazingly smart, yet with six legs ... most birds have binocular vision ... what all these have in common is respiration, taking in oxygen and breathing out carbon dioxide ... that would certainly be a requirement for any life as advanced as pond scum ...

Anne McCaffrey explored a reptilian form with six appendages in her Pern series ... and an intelligence completely alien to human's ... although later, Ms McCaffrey visited a dolphin pen and said they were very very close to her dragon-kind ... except for the breathing of fire I suppose ... H.G. Wells' Martians in War of the World were three-limbed ... but with intelligence just like ours: "kill what's not like us" ... that's fiction and maybe there's evolutionary economy best served by four limbs, as we find in our reptile lineage ...

Nothing is beating songbirds for complexity of communication ... all reptilians have vocal cords, including all birds ... in addition, songbirds have an oscine structure at their tracheal branch, where the air pipe splits into two ... and that's what makes the vast variety of complex communications ... one could say bird brains are more and better evolved, they can sing these songs and fly all with ... you know ... tiny bird brains ...

Are cosmic events involved? ... our Moon causes the tides and without those ... does life ever colonize land? ... how about an enormous meteor like the one 65 million years ago ... could humans evolve if dinosaurs still occupy the megafauna niche? ...

Birds are bi-pedal ... they use their arms for better things ... like flying ... same with humans, except we use our arms to carry things ... a chimp has to leave his tools behind when he moves with the food supply, humans could carry their tools with them, saving time and resources ... AND it was worth making the tools better, giving their design more thought ... which lead to better intelligence ...

The rodents got chased by carnivores into the trees and evolved into primates ... when the trees got full, the extra rodents jumped to the ground and got eaten ... "It's the Circle of Life, young Simba" ... until one came that tasted really really bad, so bad that nothing ate it ... and the little semi-evolved hairless rodents scampered about stealing food and resources driving everything else into extinction ... now they cover the planet make life impossible for everything else that lives ...

I just hope the aliens aren't hungry when they get here ... or they're in for a nasty surprise ...

 

[Zavulon]

Too many counter-examples here on Earth ... monitor lizards are quite advanced and still cold-blooded ... plotting, deception, scheming, thieving ... all signs of higher intelligence ... honey bees as a hive are amazingly smart, yet with six legs ... most birds have binocular vision ... what all these have in common is respiration, taking in oxygen and breathing out carbon dioxide ... that would certainly be a requirement for any life as advanced as pond scum ...

Anne McCaffrey explored a reptilian form with six appendages in her Pern series ... and an intelligence completely alien to human's ... although later, Ms McCaffrey visited a dolphin pen and said they were very very close to her dragon-kind ... except for the breathing of fire I suppose ... H.G. Wells' Martians in War of the World were three-limbed ... but with intelligence just like ours: "kill what's not like us" ... that's fiction and maybe there's evolutionary economy best served by four limbs, as we find in our reptile lineage ...

Nothing is beating songbirds for complexity of communication ... all reptilians have vocal cords, including all birds ... in addition, songbirds have an oscine structure at their tracheal branch, where the air pipe splits into two ... and that's what makes the vast variety of complex communications ... one could say bird brains are more and better evolved, they can sing these songs and fly all with ... you know ... tiny bird brains ...

Are cosmic events involved? ... our Moon causes the tides and without those ... does life ever colonize land? ... how about an enormous meteor like the one 65 million years ago ... could humans evolve if dinosaurs still occupy the megafauna niche? ...

Birds are bi-pedal ... they use their arms for better things ... like flying ... same with humans, except we use our arms to carry things ... a chimp has to leave his tools behind when he moves with the food supply, humans could carry their tools with them, saving time and resources ... AND it was worth making the tools better, giving their design more thought ... which lead to better intelligence ...

The rodents got chased by carnivores into the trees and evolved into primates ... when the trees got full, the extra rodents jumped to the ground and got eaten ... "It's the Circle of Life, young Simba" ... until one came that tasted really really bad, so bad that nothing ate it ... and the little semi-evolved hairless rodents scampered about stealing food and resources driving everything else into extinction ... now they cover the planet make life impossible for everything else that lives ...

I just hope the aliens aren't hungry when they get here ... or they're in for a nasty surprise ...

Plus octopuses are really smart things. Tchaikovsky's in his "Children of Ruin" depicted the nice picture of such a civilisation.

 

[scruffy]

Plus octopuses are really smart things. Tchaikovsky's in his "Children of Ruin" depicted the nice picture of such a civilisation.

The Broccoli brothers depicted one in a James Bond movie.

 

[Cassandro]

Too many counter-examples here on Earth ... monitor lizards are quite advanced and still cold-blooded ... plotting, deception, scheming, thieving ... all signs of higher intelligence ... honey bees as a hive are amazingly smart, yet with six legs ... most birds have binocular vision ... what all these have in common is respiration, taking in oxygen and breathing out carbon dioxide ... that would certainly be a requirement for any life as advanced as pond scum ...

Perhaps "higher intelligence" requires higher intelligence in order to understand the term. Do you think that dinosaurs would have eventually gone to the Moon if they had been allowed to evolve?

 

[ReinyDays]

Perhaps "higher intelligence" requires higher intelligence in order to understand the term. Do you think that dinosaurs would have eventually gone to the Moon if they had been allowed to evolve?

Of course ... humans evolved from the common ancestor with dinosaurs ... and for the record, only 12 humans reached the Moon ... most of whom were military test pilots ... now perhaps you should explain how going to the Moon improves the ability of test pilots to procreate ...

If you define "higher intelligence" in strictly human terms, then only humans will qualify ... we don't fly so that's not considered "intelligent" ... today's dinosaurs do fly ... which does improve their ability to procreate ... is it better to nest in treetops or is it better to go to the Moon? ... "think of the children ... my God ... think of the children" ...

 

[scruffy]

I will be merciful!

 

[Cassandro]

If you define "higher intelligence" in strictly human terms, then only humans will qualify ... we don't fly so that's not considered "intelligent"

Only a bird brain would think that.

 

[DennisPTate]

I have been watching some science fiction videos on YouTube which describe human-like aliens in other galaxies. Assuming they might exist, I wonder about any connection between anthropomorphic physiology and higher intelligence. For example, it seems plausible that such beings would be warm blooded in order to provide a constant source of nutrients for the brain. Other prerequisites might be an upright bipedal structure to allow for more specialized appendages and binocular vision to aid in three dimensional perception.

What do you think of these as necessary traits? One could also add a long gestation period (as opposed to external eggs) and a hybrid eating/breathing/communication system. (Maybe the only independent variables would be ear shape and eye/skin/hair color.) Since none of the other life forms on Earth show any potential for developing higher intelligence, maybe the same would be true for other worlds?

I am of the belief that Intelligence began and learned and in a sense evolved in Energy from Quantum Vacuum over infinite time in the past. Now that Being seems to be doing eight billion reality film projects with all of our lives. The evidence is the "Life Review" of near death experience fame.

What former Atheist Mellen Benedict reports being shown during his 1982 brush with death fits perfectly with The Anthropic Principle and the Cyclic Model of the Universe.

6. The Void​

At this point of my NDE, I found myself in a profound stillness, beyond all silence. I could see or perceive FOREVER, beyond Infinity. I was in the Void.

I was in pre-creation, before the Big Bang. I had crossed over the beginning of time / the First Word / the First vibration. I was in the Eye of Creation. I felt as if I was touching the Face of God. It was not a religious feeling. Simply, I was at one with Absolute Life and Consciousness. When I say that I could see or perceive forever, I mean that I could experience all of creation generating itself. It was without beginning and without end. That’s a mind-expanding thought, isn’t it? Scientists perceive the Big Bang as a single event that created the Universe. I saw during my life after death experience that the Big Bang is only one of an infinite number of Big Bangs creating Universes endlessly and simultaneously. The only images that even come close in human terms would be those created by super computers using fractal geometry equations.

The ancients knew of this. They said God had periodically created new Universes by breathing out, and recreated other Universes by breathing in. These epochs were called Yugas. Modern science called this the Big Bang. I was in absolute, pure consciousness. I could see or perceive all the Big Bangs or Yugas creating and recreating themselves. Instantly I entered into them all simultaneously. I saw that each and every little piece of creation has the power to create. It is very difficult to try to explain this. I am still speechless about this.

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[Dante]

I have been watching some science fiction videos on YouTube which describe human-like aliens in other galaxies. Assuming they might exist, I wonder about any connection between anthropomorphic physiology and higher intelligence. For example, it seems plausible that such beings would be warm blooded in order to provide a constant source of nutrients for the brain. Other prerequisites might be an upright bipedal structure to allow for more specialized appendages and binocular vision to aid in three dimensional perception.

What do you think of these as necessary traits? One could also add a long gestation period (as opposed to external eggs) and a hybrid eating/breathing/communication system. (Maybe the only independent variables would be ear shape and eye/skin/hair color.) Since none of the other life forms on Earth show any potential for developing higher intelligence, maybe the same would be true for other worlds?

I've seen this argued: "upright bipedal structure"

"Warm blooded?" not necessarily

That said, it begs credibility that anybody has seen anything like a being in other galaxies.

 

[Dante]

Temperature control, cephalization, lateralization, and a unified sensorium. The biological attractors for evolution are the same everywhere.



Precise dynamic control of communication is important. It's nothing special though. It's an early requirement, it happens in single cells at the molecular level.



Elephants, whales, and dolphins all demonstrate higher intelligence. Dolphins can talk, elephants communicate with low frequency vibrations. Elephants are spiritual, they ritually mourn their dead.

Deep sea observations? Vents in the Ocean floors?

 

[Dante]

Perhaps "higher intelligence" requires higher intelligence in order to understand the term. Do you think that dinosaurs would have eventually gone to the Moon if they had been allowed to evolve?

Evolve into what? Beings capable of building things?

 

[Stryder50]

I've seen this argued: "upright bipedal structure"

"Warm blooded?" not necessarily

That said, it begs credibility that anybody has seen anything like a being in other galaxies.

I think you might mean "other star with planet systems" within this galaxy.

So far human tech has barely discovered other(billions of?) galaxies with their own billions of "star with planets systems".

Meanwhile, given the billion+ star&planet systems within our Milky Way galaxy, there's a high probability of some of those having conditions like or similar to Earth that could evolve their own sentient and industrial species.

 

[Stryder50]

I have been watching some science fiction videos on YouTube which describe human-like aliens in other galaxies. Assuming they might exist, I wonder about any connection between anthropomorphic physiology and higher intelligence. For example, it seems plausible that such beings would be warm blooded in order to provide a constant source of nutrients for the brain. Other prerequisites might be an upright bipedal structure to allow for more specialized appendages and binocular vision to aid in three dimensional perception.

What do you think of these as necessary traits? One could also add a long gestation period (as opposed to external eggs) and a hybrid eating/breathing/communication system. (Maybe the only independent variables would be ear shape and eye/skin/hair color.) Since none of the other life forms on Earth show any potential for developing higher intelligence, maybe the same would be true for other worlds?

Bilateral symmetry, which can express as bipedal, appears to be the most efficient design for the least energy and resource investment. which might explain why we see it so much in terrestrial fauna.

For example three limbs are much more cumbersome, awkward for mobility than two pairs of limbs. And if one pair evolves to point of grasping objects then even better. The squirrel picking up nuts or the chimp using a stick to poke into an anthill to pull out the ants that attach for a snack.

And then comes the next major step, the ability to make fire and with such eventually to melt and shape metal. Both of which would require a planet with atmosphere and oceans similar to Earth.

 

[Dante]

I think you might mean "other star with planet systems" within this galaxy.

So far human tech has barely discovered other(billions of?) galaxies with their own billions of "star with planets systems".

Meanwhile, given the billion+ star&planet systems within our Milky Way galaxy, there's a high probability of some of those having conditions like or similar to Earth that could evolve their own sentient and industrial species.

having HAD conditions like or similar to Earth

 

[Dante]

I think you might mean "other star with planet systems" within this galaxy.

So far human tech has barely discovered other(billions of?) galaxies with their own billions of "star with planets systems".

Meanwhile, given the billion+ star&planet systems within our Milky Way galaxy, there's a high probability of some of those having conditions like or similar to Earth that could evolve their own sentient and industrial species.

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observable universe, there are approximately two trillion (2x10 - 12th power) galaxies. These estimates are based on surveys indicating that the observable universe, spanning 93 billion light-years, contains these massive,, unique structures, with the Milky Way alone containing 400 billion stars.

 

[Stryder50]

having HAD conditions like or similar to Earth

This and the next post confirm you are an idiot !
My point, right over your head, was we have NOT the ability to make out fine details in distant galaxies such as specific stars and/or their planets.
We can barely do such with near by stars within this galaxy.

 

[Dante]

This and the next post confirm you are an idiot !
My point, right over your head, was we have NOT the ability to make out fine details in distant galaxies such as specific stars and/or their planets.
We can barely do such with near by stars within this galaxy.

Your point was a deflection away from what was being posted.

You're not even half as smart as you have convinced yourself that you are

 

[Dante]

I have been watching some science fiction videos on YouTube which describe human-like aliens in other galaxies. Assuming they might exist, I wonder about any connection between anthropomorphic physiology and higher intelligence. For example, it seems plausible that such beings would be warm blooded in order to provide a constant source of nutrients for the brain. Other prerequisites might be an upright bipedal structure to allow for more specialized appendages and binocular vision to aid in three dimensional perception.

What do you think of these as necessary traits? One could also add a long gestation period (as opposed to external eggs) and a hybrid eating/breathing/communication system. (Maybe the only independent variables would be ear shape and eye/skin/hair color.) Since none of the other life forms on Earth show any potential for developing higher intelligence, maybe the same would be true for other worlds?

I've seen this argued: "upright bipedal structure"

"Warm blooded?" not necessarily

That said, it begs credibility that anybody has seen anything like a being in other galaxies.

I think you might mean "other star with planet systems" within this galaxy.

So far human tech has barely discovered other(billions of?) galaxies with their own billions of "star with planets systems".

Meanwhile, given the billion+ star&planet systems within our Milky Way galaxy, there's a high probability of some of those having conditions like or similar to Earth that could evolve their own sentient and industrial species.

having HAD conditions like or similar to Earth

This and the next post confirm you are an idiot !
My point, right over your head, was we have NOT the ability to make out fine details in distant galaxies such as specific stars and/or their planets.
We can barely do such with near by stars within this galaxy.

Your point was a deflection away from what was being posted.

You're not even half as smart as you have convinced yourself that you are

...and on it goes...