Another traitor in our midst?

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ALOHA, Ore. — The lawyer whom FBI agents arrested in Portland, Ore., as part of the investigation into the deadly multiple train bombings in Spain has ties to a group of people found guilty of helping Al Qaeda and the Taliban.


Brandon Mayfield (search), a U.S. citizen, was taken into custody Thursday on a material witness warrant, said a senior law enforcement official in Washington, D.C. The arrest, first reported in Newsweek, is the first known in the United States with connections to the March 11 bombings (search) in Madrid.

Newsweek said Mayfield had done child custody work for one of six Portland Muslims convicted last year of trying to travel to Afghanistan to help Usama bin Laden's (search) terror network Al Qaeda (search).

Earlier this year, the last of the six was sentenced on charges of conspiring to wage war against the United States by helping Al Qaeda and the former Taliban rulers of Afghanistan.

Mayfield represented one of those people, Jeffrey Leon Battle, in a custody case involving Battle's son. Law enforcement officials did not know of any further contacts between Mayfield and any of the other Portland terrorism defendants.

Mayfield had attempted to have Battle's son, who went by the Muslim name Esau in Portland, placed in the custody of an uncle who had also converted to Islam, rather than with his biological mother and Battle's former wife Angela Rowden of Houston. Rowden was awarded custody of the boy, who now goes by the name Geoffrey.

Beth Anne Steele, a spokeswoman for the FBI in Portland, confirmed two search warrants had been served Thursday in Washington County, which includes Aloha. She would not release further details.

The FBI on Thursday also searched the man's home, which he shares with his wife, a law enforcement official said.

Mayfield's fingerprints were found on materials related to the Madrid bombings, said a second senior law enforcement official.

Officials would not provide any further details about the man or his alleged connection with the Madrid bombings, which killed 191 people and injured 2,000 others. Spanish authorities blame the attack on Islamic extremists, possibly linked to Al Qaeda.

Eighteen people have been charged to date in Spain -- six charged with mass murder and the others with collaboration or with belonging to a terrorist organization.

The FBI and other U.S. agencies have warned that Al Qaeda or its sympathizers might attempt to attack mass transit systems in major U.S. cities this summer.

Outside Mayfield's suburban Portland home Thursday evening, his wife, Mona, told reporters, "as you can imagine, today has been quite dramatic. My husband is a good man, a good father, a good husband. It's just unfair. It's unfair to myself and it is unfair to my children."

She said her husband is 37, and that the two have three children, two boys ages 10 and 15 and a girl, aged 12. Her husband was born in the small Oregon coastal community of Coos Bay, she said, and he is a former Army officer.

His undergraduate degree is from Portland State University, she said, and his law degree is from Lewis & Clark University in Portland. Mayfield passed the Oregon bar in 2000, according to the Oregon Bar Association.

He converted to Islam in 1989 and attends a mosque in nearby Beaverton.

Neighbors Arlene Witt, 71, and her husband, Roy Witt, also 71, said the Mayfields have been a pleasure. They used to exchange cookies, and the Witt's grandchildren would play ball with the Mayfield children over the back fence.

"A kind of shock went through me," said Arlene Witt, "There is no safe place anymore. We've tried to be neighborly and they've been friendly."

Arlene Witt said the Mayfields didn't do anything in particular that was suspicious. But their Muslim dress and children's names, Shane, Sharia and Samir, stood out.

Portland attorney Tom Nelson, who described himself as Mayfield's friend and mentor, said Thursday afternoon that he received a call from Mayfield Thursday, pleading for help. Nelson said Mayfield would be represented by a public defender.

"His wife was in tears because of the way the search was conducted. The FBI apparently hurt things in the house, left things in disarray," Nelson told reporters outside Mayfield's home. "He is a regular run-of-the-mill guy."

Nelson also said Mayfield had never traveled to Spain.

Material witness warrants, usually kept confidential by a federal judge, are used by the government to hold people suspected of having direct knowledge about a crime or to allow time for further investigation into the witness. Suspects may be held indefinitely without formal charges.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.
 
Boy. It is a good thing islam is a peaceful religion and that religion plays no part in the terrorism.

:rolleyes:
 
jumping the gun a bit, arent we? the only connection specified so far is that he helped with a child custody issue. let the investigation run its course before we tie him to the stake, eh?
 
Originally posted by DKSuddeth
jumping the gun a bit, arent we? the only connection specified so far is that he helped with a child custody issue. let the investigation run its course before we tie him to the stake, eh?

I wasn't intending to tie HIM to the stake. It is just a rather funny thing how the religious tie is always a constant.
 
"I wasn't intending to tie HIM to the stake. It is just a rather funny thing how the religious tie is always a constant."

That is because Al-Quieda IS a radical Islamic sect. If the news were reporting on the terrorist actions of the KKK you would find that the religious affiliation would be overwhelmingly protestant. Now are all protestants racist, idiot, cross-burners? No. Are all Muslims Terrorists? No.
 
Originally posted by Palestinian Jew
"I wasn't intending to tie HIM to the stake. It is just a rather funny thing how the religious tie is always a constant."

That is because Al-Quieda IS a radical Islamic sect. If the news were reporting on the terrorist actions of the KKK you would find that the religious affiliation would be overwhelmingly protestant. Now are all protestants racist, idiot, cross-burners? No. Are all Muslims Terrorists? No.

I have no intention of beating a dead horse, but you don't even know the text in the koran so you are not qualified to make that statement. You also do not understand the nature of the issue. One religion claims a following based on completely PEACEFUL actions promoted by their text while the other following claims a VIOLENT set of actions dictated by theirs.
 
PJ might not know the Koran, but I do and his analogy is comparable. Many muslims follow their religion peacefully, some don't. Many christians follow their religion peacefully, some don't. Many of the warlike passages of the Koran were written to appease the warring tribes of the time. Times change, some people just live in the past, and some people are just bastards who use religion to gain support for their cause.
 
"One religion claims a following based on completely PEACEFUL actions promoted by their text while the other following claims a VIOLENT set of actions dictated by theirs."

If the Bible is entirely peacefull then the Islam cannot be entirely violent. If you know your facts you would know that.
 
And the pope apologized and admitted that the crusades were an abuse of christianity. Islam is where christianity was during the crusades. When will they apologize? And when will they stop preaching hate?
 
Originally posted by deaddude
PJ might not know the Koran, but I do and his analogy is comparable. Many muslims follow their religion peacefully, some don't. Many christians follow their religion peacefully, some don't.

So which is it then? Is it that the case can be made islam is peaceful and the followers are the norm, radicals are violent?

Or is it that islam is violent and people who follow it do so either peacefully OR VIOLENTLY.

You cannot have it both ways, and you cannot even have it the second way if the followers all follow the same advocated behavior.

This means that they all have to be peaceful, islam is peaceful and only the radical "non-followers" are violent. -Which, for someone claiming to know the koran, is an incredibly stupid statement to make with zero fact to back it up.

Many of the warlike passages of the Koran were written to appease the warring tribes of the time. Times change, some people just live in the past, and some people are just bastards who use religion to gain support for their cause.

Wow. So islam is supposed to change with the times? And where does it say THAT in the koran?

Your last statement is correct. Some people DO use religion to gain support for their cause.

You just did.
 
Originally posted by deaddude


If the Bible is entirely peacefull then the Islam cannot be entirely violent. If you know your facts you would know that.

I DO know my facts.

So, if YOU want to make such a bold absolute claim, prove the Biblical verses to substantiate it.
 
Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
And the pope apologized and admitted that the crusades were an abuse of christianity. Islam is where christianity was during the crusades. When will they apologize? And when will they stop preaching hate?

-Correction (again) Roman catholocism is not Christianity.
 
This is kind of annoying, but that post that was made under my name wasn't made by me. I forgot to logout yesterday and some other student made a post. Although I do agree with his premise.
 
Originally posted by Palestinian Jew
I'm just glad most people don't believe that.

Majority belief does not create reality.

If you care to read the proof of my statement, it IS contained in the New Testament under the statements of the great "falling away", and then in another realm of issues under Revalation.
 
IS contained in the New Testament under the statements of the great "falling away", and then in another realm of issues under Revalation.

Tell me the exact part of the bible the falling away is under and I will read it. I've read the book of Revelation 3 times and made it to book 7 of the Left Behind series, I know that nobody knows what that means, its all educated guessing.
 
Originally posted by Palestinian Jew
Tell me the exact part of the bible the falling away is under and I will read it. I've read the book of Revelation 3 times and made it to book 7 of the Left Behind series, I know that nobody knows what that means, its all educated guessing.

Now, tell me why I should bother with this any longer when you think it is all educated guessing?
 
"I DO know my facts.

So, if YOU want to make such a bold absolute claim, prove the Biblical verses to substantiate it."


Since you DO know your facts then you know that the Muslims are one of the so called People of the Book, in other words they believe in the Old Testament. Now if the Christians are entirely peaceful then the Old Testament is peaceful, and if the Old Testament is peaceful then Islam cannot be entirely violent.
 
" So which is it then? Is it that the case can be made islam is peaceful and the followers are the norm, radicals are violent?

Or is it that islam is violent and people who follow it do so either peacefully OR VIOLENTLY.

You cannot have it both ways, and you cannot even have it the second way if the followers all follow the same advocated behavior."


Sure you can, some muslims (non-radicals) follow their religion peacefully, others (the radicals like al Qaeda) follow it violently.

Some Christians (the non-radicals) pracitice their religion peacefully, others ( the radicals like the KKK) practice it violently.
 
Originally posted by deaddude
"I DO know my facts.

So, if YOU want to make such a bold absolute claim, prove the Biblical verses to substantiate it."


Since you DO know your facts then you know that the Muslims are one of the so called People of the Book, in other words they believe in the Old Testament.

What are you talking about?

Point to ONE Biblical reference to that.

Now if the Christians are entirely peaceful then the Old Testament is peaceful,

More ignorance about the Bible. The followers of Jesus are to be peaceful. This was the New Testament which creates a NEW COVENANT to replace the rules of law created in the Old. -

Reason?

The Old Testament Covenant was illustrating that no man is perfect enough to follow the law. Jesus made the NEW covenant with Himself paying the price. All followers are to keep the commandments and follow Him.

In any reference to the Old Testament where you find what you THINK is an example of a Christian justifying violence against someone, it is a direct command from God to punish the idolitors or a Christian acting AGAINST GOD. This is called God's JUSTICE.

A Cristian God is a JUST God and cannot be absolutely peaceful unless acting without justice. Jesus created a way for followers to redeem themselves and be peaceful while taking the full brunt of Gods justice.

You need to read the Bible.

and if the Old Testament is peaceful then Islam cannot be entirely violent.

Improper rationale. Apples and oranges.
 

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