Kalem, what do you know, you know enough to completely ignore what this topic is about and for good reason, again you speak of "disbeleivers" when this topic is about APOSTASY.
I cite the Qur'an, and you claim that it isn't the most important text in Islam. I cite ahadith, and you claim that I haven't. I cite the works that define Islam, and you claim that one can only understand Islam through worthless travel books that were written some 1200 years after the foundation of the religion. How oh how did we Muslims exist for 1200 years without brilliant "scholars of Islam" such as yourself and Doughty to explain our own religion to us? You're dismissed, fool.
You cite the Koran and than lie about my claims, I never made the claim it was not the most important text, so why must a Moslem lie, simple, the truth is not on this moslems side, further according to the koran, its okay for a moslem to lie to the infidels.
I thought I would let you have the last word on this but you prove to be to big of an idioit.
Coloring books, gee, you dismiss all western works as coloring books. This shows Kalem as being completely biased.
How can one debate or discuss with a person who's position is all western books are coloring books, you cannot, its this kind of bigotry that was exhibited by the man that ran over his daughter.
As far as everything Kalem posts in response to my posts, it is very clear that Kalem knows nothing of muslem culture.
Kalem has resorted to attacking the messenger, nice tactic of the liberal/marxist, attack and demean the messenger while misquoting and telling complete lies.
Kalem is actually the sound I make when I clear my throat and hack up a green piece of phlem.
So there is nothing to address in Kalem's response to my post, what one should note is kalem is biased, has only studied the koran, has cherry picked the koran in order to avoid the relevant text in other moslem words such as the Hadith.
Had Kalem not dismissed all western works as biased coloring books kalem would of been educated on the moslem culture and recognized this murder as being an Islamic moslem murder based on the religion of Islam, based on the culture of Islam, based on the traditions of moslem people. Being so narrow minded and concentrated only on a passage in the Koran blinded kalem to the truth.
Or of course, the more sinister explanation is Kalem knows the truth and and wishes to hide the truth.
This is the problem with some Moslems, Kalem will defend Islam and be completely ignorant to the harm kalem does to Islam. My perception is there are religous zealots, religous extremists in the Islamic religion, Kalem is Moslem extremist.
Kalem is the problem with Islam
Kalem you did not mention the Hadith until I brought up how kalem is ignoring the hadith, Kalem allowed posts to stand citing the quran when kalem supposedly knew the hadith contained the relevant facts.
Kalem you put word in my mouth and twisted my word into things I never said nor implied.
Kalem shows how according to the quran and mohammed its okay to lie and deceive.
That is our next bit topic, in Islam it is okay, it is condoned, its perfectly okay to lie and cheat an Infidel. The Hadiths and Quran speak of this, of course Kalem is not familiar with the culture of Islam so he dont know this.
In closing, I will quote another book or as KALEM likes to call them, biased-western-coloring books.
The termination of the Iraq Mandate in 1932, which was so significant a landmark in the political development of that country, unfortunately marked the beginning of the a decline in the flow of documentary material and books on the development of this new State.
From the Oxford University Press
You see, western sources are the best non-biased source for facts on Moslems. You can dismiss one or two books as "coloring books" as Kalem has, but you cannot dismiss all the books. What Kalem does not know or chooses to ignore is that very few moslems per captia compared to the wertern world were educated, that is why the west is the best source. Only the very elite in the Moslem world became educated. That may of changed I do not know. What is true is the best Moslem scholars, if there are any, all became educated in western schools.
Thats right, Moslems had no chance of a university level educatation in the moslem world, that is why the western world is the best source.
The Oxford University Press cannot be argued with, they state there was a decline in printed works after the moslems took over, that is the fact. The reason being so few moslems had the education to write.
