What is in the Koran is passages dealing with the unclean, which this killing would fall under, you know why the father used his car, because in Islam the holy do not touch the filthy unholy which in the eyes of the father is what this girl became.
The disbelievers and idolaters are unclean in belief and action, yes. So are those who attempt to force their beliefs onto others:
And if thy Lord had pleased, all those who are in the earth would have believed, all of them. Wilt thou then force men till they are believers? And it is not for any soul to believe except by AllahÂ’s permission. And he casts uncleanness on those who will not understand. - 10:99-100
Refusing to touch disbelievers because their beliefs are unclean is silly; only Shi'ah Muslims think that disbelievers are
najis (ritually impure) by their very nature.
The clean and the unclean, the holy and the unholy, according to the Koran the whole world is thus divided, unbelievers, christians, jews are unclean, unholy. Touching the unholy renders a Moslem impure. Hence the father ran his daughter over with a car.
Have you read it?
O mankind, surely We have created you from a male and a female, and made you tribes and families that you may know each other. Surely the noblest of you with Allah is the most dutiful of you. Surely Allah is Knowing, Aware. - 49:13
Allah forbids you not respecting those who fight you not for religion, nor drive you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly. Surely Allah loves the doers of justice. - 60:8
Do you make this up as you go along? There is no "prayer of purification." Ablution, wudu, requires bathing oneself with water and the only things that may be recited are the bismillah and the shahada.
So why have the "islamic experts" not pointed out where Mohammed explicitly speaks of Apotasy,
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: A Bedouin gave the Pledge of allegiance to Allah's Apostle for Islam and the Bedouin got a fever where upon he said to the Prophet "Cancel my Pledge." But the Prophet refused. He came to him (again) saying, "Cancel my Pledge.' But the Prophet refused. Then (the Bedouin) left (Medina). Allah's Apostle said: "Medina is like a pair of bellows: It expels its impurities and brightens and clears its good."
- Sahih Bukhari, Ahkaam (Judgment), no. 316
The same account is related in numbers 318 and 323 of that book, as well as no. 424 of book 92 ("Holding Fast to the Qur'an and Sunnah.")
simple, those posting know very little of Islam.
Ah, how can I possibly respond to such a post so articulate and accurate. Its actually real easy, the Koran (intentional use of spelling of 1800's) is written in Arabic. Being written in Arabic there are thousands of translations, which translation one uses is of the utmost importance, not all translations or interpetations are the same. So what the hell is Kalem quoting, the Koran or the Hadith, I actually cannot respond quote for quote, passage for passage without knowing which translation or which book.
It dont matter though, what I have written is simple fact.
The Holy and Unholy, the clean and unclean, this point is factual, any translation of the Koran or Hadith, any book on the culture of the Middle East will explain clean and unclean.
For the world of Islam nothing is as unclean as the dead, Moslems do not touch the dead and if they do they must undergo a purification prosess, depending on the sect this can be a ritual that lasts nine days. Touching the unclean is why in the Moslem world someone will be stoned to death, there is no chance of touching the corpse.
Kalem cannot despute my facts without at first determining which sect said father belongs to, was this man Sunni or Shia, was he Wahabbi Sunni. This is of extreme importance yet kalem has not gone into this detail. Still it does not matter, the clean and unclean is common to all sects.
Maybe Kalem should explain that the pure and the unpure fall in two catagories thus there are two processes of purification, great and small.
Touching a corpse, which this man's daughter becomes in the course of murder falls into the catagory of unpure that requires a "great" purification. Depending on the sect of the Islamic religion depends on if the Great Purification is needed. I will not pretend to know the details of the Great Purification but in one sect instead of using water Bull's Urine is used. Is this type of purification still used today, I dont know, did this man read the same book I did and thus beleive if he touched the corpse of the one he murdered and thus would need great purification, its possible, why would not a moslem know more than me, I am still learning. So nobody can dispute that this man deliberatly committed a murder where it was impossible for said man to touch the corpse thus becoming unclean and needing a purification in which Bull's urine is needed.
Need a source, I already gave my sources and they are at this time not in despute.
Kalem sites a passage or two without being specific as to the translation Kalem chooses to use, kalem demonstrates he knows nothing of purifcation, no bathing in water, sure, that is true, the bath is not water, its Bull Urine, unfortunately one or two books is not sufficient, its possible Camel Urine can be used for purification. Some sects even use Urine to baptize babies. Either way purification is real, there is holy and unholy.
No prayer of purification, Kalem knows a tiny amount if anything about Islam and the culture.
The Koran is remarkable for its disconnected, fragmentary form and absence of any system in its composition. It is full of obscure passages giving rise to much discussion among modern commentators. Pierre Ponafidine, Life in the Moslem East. (download the full copy at google books).
