Another example of climate models being wrong

You appear to have none ... climate is average weather ... ∆t vs. dt ...
I'll stick with scientists over some weatherman :auiqs.jpg:
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Whereas weather refers to short-term changes in the atmosphere, climate describes what the weather is like over a long period of time in a specific area. Different regions can have different climates.

 
The climate model predictions have been excellent. If someone told you otherwise, they lied to your face, so you should ask them why they lied.

In contrast, the denier predictions have been as bad as it's possible for any prediction to be. Deniers are still predicting a new ice age soon, just as they've been doing continuously for the past 40+ years.

The funny thing? Deniers, despite having a perfect and unblemished record of failure, demand respect for being such consistent failures.

Remember, deniers, you can't gaslight anyone who isn't part of your liars' cult. We know the facts, so we know you're wrong, and we know you're lying. You may as well be preaching Flat Earth dogma, which your cult will probably soon be demanding you profess belief in. Being very obedient cultists, you'll all obey.
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I'll stick with scientists over some weatherman :auiqs.jpg:
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Whereas weather refers to short-term changes in the atmosphere, climate describes what the weather is like over a long period of time in a specific area. Different regions can have different climates.


Climate is what we expect ... weather is what we actually get ...

You don't think Meteorology or Atmospheric Science are actual sciences? ... how strange ... is that because they are mathematically driven, and you don't understand math? ...

Please ... point to where climate is changing:


Latitude and longitude if you know ...
 
Climate is what we expect ... weather is what we actually get ...

You don't think Meteorology or Atmospheric Science are actual sciences? ... how strange ... is that because they are mathematically driven, and you don't understand math? ...

Please ... point to where climate is changing:


Latitude and longitude if you know ...
Science.

 
Science.


The science begins at the air/water interface ... and the thermodynamics that occurs there ... are you capable of discussion of the Equal Partition Theorem in this system? ... it doesn't sound like you're allowing energy flow into evaporating water ... or the eventual disposition of the resulting water vapor ...

Precipitation and wind direction are far more important to climate than temperature ... just look at water's latent heat of condensation (= 2,100 J/g) and know that's 1% of the atmosphere ... on average ...

I posted a map for you ... you ignore it because you know climate isn't changing ...
 
The science begins at the air/water interface ... and the thermodynamics that occurs there ... are you capable of discussion of the Equal Partition Theorem in this system? ... it doesn't sound like you're allowing energy flow into evaporating water ... or the eventual disposition of the resulting water vapor ...

Precipitation and wind direction are far more important to climate than temperature ... just look at water's latent heat of condensation and know that's 1% of the atmosphere ... on average ...

I posted a map for you ... you ignore it because you know climate isn't changing ...
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

trying to impress somebody with what you find online?

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So ... not capable of discussing energy in this system ... I see ... science must be some magical thing for you ... burning coal to complain about burning coal ... real smart ...
His science is limited to what he reads from MSNBC.
 
I have been critical of computer models being used to predict the effects of human on the climate. The main reason is that they are always wrong and are nothing more than shit in shout models that are paid for by the Environmental Wacko lobby. Mostly in the universities but also with the government agencies like NASA and NOAA.

These are models that the Environmental Wackos refer to when they tell us we are all going to be dead in seven, or ten or 20 years because of man made warming.

The Climate Change scam research mostly is nothing more than grifting for government grants and a power-grab tool for government itself.

It looks like we have now discovered a main reason the models are always wrong. 40 years of observed data trumps some grad student's computer program, doesn't it?



New Study: Climate Models Get Water Vapor Wildly Wrong – A ‘Major Gap in Our Understanding’



By Kenneth Richard on 19. February 2024

“Here, we have demonstrated a major discrepancy between observation-based and climate model-based historical trends in near-surface atmospheric water vapor in arid and semi-ari regions.” – Simpson et al.,


A new study published in PNAS has demonstrated, once again, that climate models fail to simulate what happens in the real world with regard to fundamental climate change variables like water vapor. This is a devastating finding, as water vapor is the most significant greenhouse gas due to its alleged “feedback” capacity, accelerating warming well beyond what CO2 is said to be capable of alone.


The authors do not understate the significance of this climate modeling failure.


“This represents a major gap in our understanding and in climate model fidelity that must be understood and fixed as soon as possible in order to provide reliable hydroclimate projections for arid/semi-arid regions in the coming decades.”


Per state-of-the-art climate models, specific humidity (SH) should increase as a consequence of CO2-induced global warming. But 40 years of observations (1980-) show no increasing SH trend over arid/semi-arid regions.


Per state-of-the-art climate models, relative humidity (RH) should decline slightly as a consequence of CO2-induced global warming. But 40 years of observations (1980-) show not a slight declining trend, but a declining trend that is “about an order of magnitude more than the models on average.” In other words, the climate models are wrong by a factor of 10


The models say the tropical warming rate should have been nearly 3 times larger than the observations show – “0.389 ± 0.173°C per decade (models) and 0.142 ± 0.115°C per decade (observed)” – due to the assumed feedback response to CO2 forcing over warm regions. Instead, there is a “clear and significant tendency on the part of the models to overstate warming.”
/-----/ Further proof that climate change is a natural process. REMEMBER Trust the Science.
New research has identified oceanic transform faults as significant, previously underestimated sinks for CO2, challenging existing notions about the Earth’s geological carbon cycle. This research emphasizes the crucial role of natural geological emissions in shaping Earth’s climate history and highlights the need for a deeper understanding of these processes in the context of addressing contemporary climate change. Above is a cut slice of altered mantle rock. Credit: Solvin Zankl

As the paper states, “global anthropogenic CO2 emissions are estimated to be on the order of 36 gigatons (Gt) per year, dwarfing estimates of average geological emissions (0.26 Gt per year) to the atmosphere and hydrosphere. Yet, over geological timescales, emissions of CO2 sourced from Earth’s mantle have been pivotal in regulating Earth’s climate and habitability, as well as the C [carbon]-concentration in surface reservoirs, including the oceans, atmosphere, and lithosphere.” Klein adds that “this is before anthropogenic combustion of fossil fuels, of course.”
 
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/-----/ Further proof that climate change is a natural process. REMBER Trust the Science.
New research has identified oceanic transform faults as significant, previously underestimated sinks for CO2, challenging existing notions about the Earth’s geological carbon cycle. This research emphasizes the crucial role of natural geological emissions in shaping Earth’s climate history and highlights the need for a deeper understanding of these processes in the context of addressing contemporary climate change. Above is a cut slice of altered mantle rock. Credit: Solvin Zankl

As the paper states, “global anthropogenic CO2 emissions are estimated to be on the order of 36 gigatons (Gt) per year, dwarfing estimates of average geological emissions (0.26 Gt per year) to the atmosphere and hydrosphere. Yet, over geological timescales, emissions of CO2 sourced from Earth’s mantle have been pivotal in regulating Earth’s climate and habitability, as well as the C [carbon]-concentration in surface reservoirs, including the oceans, atmosphere, and lithosphere.” Klein adds that “this is before anthropogenic combustion of fossil fuels, of course.”

The main problem with this AGW BS is that it is a scam perpetrated by people with an agenda that has nothing to do with climate science. Because of that we get lies and dishonesty.

However, put that aside. The main problem these Environmental Wackos have with trying to sell the scam is not really understanding (or being purposely dishonest about) the Atmospheric COs science. They are hell bent to think that CO2 at the levels we see now are a greenhouse gas and the science doesn't support it. They are science deniers.

They ignore the fact there have been times when CO2 levels have been higher and the earth cooler. There have been times when the CO2 levels have been lower and the earth warmer. They ignore the fact that CO2 levels have a record of lagging increases in CO2 levels. If is was a greenhouse gas it would lead increases in temperatures.
 
The main problem with this AGW BS is that it is a scam perpetrated by people with an agenda that has nothing to do with climate science. Because of that we get lies and dishonesty.

However, put that aside. The main problem these Environmental Wackos have with trying to sell the scam is not really understanding (or being purposely dishonest about) the Atmospheric COs science. They are hell bent to think that CO2 at the levels we see now are a greenhouse gas and the science doesn't support it. They are science deniers.

They ignore the fact there have been times when CO2 levels have been higher and the earth cooler. There have been times when the CO2 levels have been lower and the earth warmer. They ignore the fact that CO2 levels have a record of lagging increases in CO2 levels. If is was a greenhouse gas it would lead increases in temperatures.

I agree with all this, but a correction of facts ... if the Earth gets any lower CO2 concentration, plants would die off ... it's as cold today as it's been since the advent of multi-cellular organisms ... maybe not a ton of time, but a billion years is getting up there, climatologically speaking ...

If we want to fix the Earth ... we should be burning tires ...
 
I agree with all this, but a correction of facts ... if the Earth gets any lower CO2 concentration, plants would die off ... it's as cold today as it's been since the advent of multi-cellular organisms ... maybe not a ton of time, but a billion years is getting up there, climatologically speaking ...

If we want to fix the Earth ... we should be burning tires ...
CO2 is a good thing.

You want to reduce life on earth? Reduce CO2.

You want to destroy all life on earth? Do away with all CO2.

CO2 is just as important to life as O2.

When we had ten times the CO2 as we have now the earth had significantly more life.

450 PPM atmospheric CO2 is not a greenhouse gas that will destroy life on earth.
 
Alarmists believe computer models is settled science, I kid you not. I know the world's IQ is slipping and we can see how the Left are dragging it down.
That’s a lie. You deniers make up shit because Fox and Friends your only source along with the other science illiterates, are the only thing your TV us tuned to.
the phrase “ settled science “ is contradictory idiot derived bull shit.
 
That’s a lie. You deniers make up shit because Fox and Friends your only source along with the other science illiterates, are the only thing you TV us tuned to.
I'm in the UK, I don't have or use Fox here, I use science journals.

Computer models are no good, conclusions and predictions by alarmists based on these are no good too. That's why all alarmist predictions fail. Reality and proven fact.
 
Climate change is real. It is part of Nature and has been going on since the earth came into existence.

However, there is absolutely no scientifically credible proof that humans are altering the climate. Just a stupid correlation, shit in shit out computer models funded by Environmental Wacko sources and a lot of fraudulent and cherry picked bogus proxy data from sources that been caught being dishonest.
Another science illiterate trying to precedent that AGW is only about the weather. The only thing there is no credible proof of, is you know what you’re talking about.
 

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