Andrew Yang and Richard Ojeda: "Why wasn't there a blue wave? "

[basquebromance]

Ojeda says Trump used his Latino heritage and last name to scare West Virginia voters, and it worked, Ojeda's poll numbers dropped and he lost his congressional race

Yang laments Democrats losing ground and forfeiting ex-swing states like Iowa and Ohio

 

[candycorn]

There was a slogan, "defund the police". What it means is reallocating funds to try to mitigate the factors that cause crime and the violent interactions between police and people of color. But what voters heard was "defund the police." Lots of liberals embraced it...and not surprisingly...that didn't go over too well with voters.

 

[White 6]

There was a slogan, "defund the police". What it means is reallocating funds to try to mitigate the factors that cause crime and the violent interactions between police and people of color. But what voters heard was "defund the police." Lots of liberals embraced it...and not surprisingly...that didn't go over too well with voters.

Defund police not a popular slogan with centrist and anybody on the right.

 

[Rocko]

I can answer that question. It’s because of the radicals that have taken over the democrat party

 

[candycorn]

There was a slogan, "defund the police". What it means is reallocating funds to try to mitigate the factors that cause crime and the violent interactions between police and people of color. But what voters heard was "defund the police." Lots of liberals embraced it...and not surprisingly...that didn't go over too well with voters.

Defund police not a popular slogan with centrist and anybody on the right.

Or a lot of us on the left as well. The idea that you send a mediator out first in some cases is a good idea. Fewer arrests, less friction, less fallout from the arrests... calling it "defund the police" is dumb and democrats paid for it.

 

[Rambunctious]

Why wasn't there a blue wave?....

BLM....AOC....ANTIFA...PELOSI...SCHUMER...CUOMO...DEBLASIO...NBA...KNEELING NFL...RIOTS and DOXING.....

 

[366h34d]

There was a slogan, "defund the police". What it means is reallocating funds to try to mitigate the factors that cause crime and the violent interactions between police and people of color. But what voters heard was "defund the police." Lots of liberals embraced it...and not surprisingly...that didn't go over too well with voters.

Defund police not a popular slogan with centrist and anybody on the right.

Or a lot of us on the left as well. The idea that you send a mediator out first in some cases is a good idea. Fewer arrests, less friction, less fallout from the arrests... calling it "defund the police" is dumb and democrats paid for it.

What is the %?
The issue is that almost all of the cases that a black man ended up lying on the street involve weapons already.

 

[BluesLegend]

Ah because Dems are assholes who threatened to raise taxes and slap jobs killing economy stifling climate change regulations on us?

 

[candycorn]

There was a slogan, "defund the police". What it means is reallocating funds to try to mitigate the factors that cause crime and the violent interactions between police and people of color. But what voters heard was "defund the police." Lots of liberals embraced it...and not surprisingly...that didn't go over too well with voters.

Defund police not a popular slogan with centrist and anybody on the right.

Or a lot of us on the left as well. The idea that you send a mediator out first in some cases is a good idea. Fewer arrests, less friction, less fallout from the arrests... calling it "defund the police" is dumb and democrats paid for it.

What is the %?
The issue is that almost all of the cases that a black man ended up lying on the street involve weapons already.

For every George Floyd, there are probably tens of thousands of police/offender interactions that never elevate to an arrest. And probably tens of thousands of more that do. You'd have to ask the police.

The point is that not every complaint by a citizen end up with an arresting authority going out to the scene of the disturbance.

 

[366h34d]

There was a slogan, "defund the police". What it means is reallocating funds to try to mitigate the factors that cause crime and the violent interactions between police and people of color. But what voters heard was "defund the police." Lots of liberals embraced it...and not surprisingly...that didn't go over too well with voters.

Defund police not a popular slogan with centrist and anybody on the right.

Or a lot of us on the left as well. The idea that you send a mediator out first in some cases is a good idea. Fewer arrests, less friction, less fallout from the arrests... calling it "defund the police" is dumb and democrats paid for it.

What is the %?
The issue is that almost all of the cases that a black man ended up lying on the street involve weapons already.

For every George Floyd, there are probably tens of thousands of police/offender interactions that never elevate to an arrest. And probably tens of thousands of more that do. You'd have to ask the police.

The point is that not every complaint by a citizen end up with an arresting authority going out to the scene of the disturbance.

I understand where you're coming from The number just don't add up. From your last pt, they are already doing that, why you need to defund the cops. Then, bact to your first pt, why is the police in the scene in the first place?
At the end, the leftist dolts believed "defund the police" is a woke slogan. Too bad, they had BLM at the same time. People were scared.

 

[candycorn]

There was a slogan, "defund the police". What it means is reallocating funds to try to mitigate the factors that cause crime and the violent interactions between police and people of color. But what voters heard was "defund the police." Lots of liberals embraced it...and not surprisingly...that didn't go over too well with voters.

Defund police not a popular slogan with centrist and anybody on the right.

Or a lot of us on the left as well. The idea that you send a mediator out first in some cases is a good idea. Fewer arrests, less friction, less fallout from the arrests... calling it "defund the police" is dumb and democrats paid for it.

What is the %?
The issue is that almost all of the cases that a black man ended up lying on the street involve weapons already.

For every George Floyd, there are probably tens of thousands of police/offender interactions that never elevate to an arrest. And probably tens of thousands of more that do. You'd have to ask the police.

The point is that not every complaint by a citizen end up with an arresting authority going out to the scene of the disturbance.

I understand where you're coming from The number just don't add up. From your last pt, they are already doing that, why you need to defund the cops. Then, bact to your first pt, why is the police in the scene in the first place?
At the end, the leftist dolts believed "defund the police" is a woke slogan. Too bad, they had BLM at the same time. People were scared.

Sort of confused at the last point, first point stuff.

I'll try to catch up here:

I'll give you an example. If you have a couple of kids racing their motorcycles on the street right in front of your house at 2AM...what do you do? Call 911 or the Police non-emergency line. They send out the cops to tell the kids to knock it off. Which isn't really a problem unless there was another real crime taking place and this is sapping the resources. The idea behind "defunding the police" is to shift resources to a mediator whom can be dispatched to the scene of the race.

The police are sent to the scene of the bike racing because there is nobody else to send.

 

[citygator]

Guys it’s super easy to understand. In the 2018 midterms the democrats cleaned up and took a bunch of moderate republican seats. The turnout in 2020 was so high that many traditionally Republican areas that went Democrat swung back even as many of those areas split their ticket and went Biden+Republican down ticket.

Trump lost the moderate Republican suburbs. The down ticket is likely to lose them next election. Moderate suburban republicans are not nuts. They like stability and low taxes with stability as the number 1. Republicans offer whackos and nuts.

 

[Mac1958]

There wasn't a Blue Wave because the Left is only somewhat less annoying than Trump.

The loudest voices on the Left are pushing defunding the police, socialism, political correctness, identity politics and cancel culture.

Just as the GOP is stuck with Trump and his sheep, the Democrats are stuck with these people.

This isn't all that complicated. But both parties refuse to look in the mirror, and they both feed into the worst impulses of the other.

 

[TheParser]

But there WAS a blue wave -- in the Presidential race.

Down ballot, not so much.

Could the Presidential race have been rigged?

Nah! Impossible! The government says it was the cleanest election in our history!

 

[SweetTea]

There wasn't a Blue Wave because the Left is only somewhat less annoying than Trump.

The loudest voices on the Left are pushing defunding the police, socialism, political correctness, identity politics and cancel culture.

Just as the GOP is stuck with Trump and his sheep, the Democrats are stuck with these people.

This isn't all that complicated. But both parties refuse to look in the mirror, and they both feed into the worst impulses of the other.

And yet you weighed the two options and felt going with the party that controls Biden/Harris and supports defunding the police, socialism, PC, identity politics and cancel culture, not to mention free healthcare for illegals, less border control,etc. as a better option than voting for someone whose personatility really rubs you the wrong way. For all the talk, that is what it boils down to for the majority of independents or any Republicans that didn’t vote for Trump. If Trump speeches gave them the warm fuzzies like Obama’s, they would all have vote for him. For those with TDS, this election was at most 10% about policy and 90% about not liking the man just as Obama was elected for the exact opposite reasons.

 

[Mac1958]

There wasn't a Blue Wave because the Left is only somewhat less annoying than Trump.

The loudest voices on the Left are pushing defunding the police, socialism, political correctness, identity politics and cancel culture.

Just as the GOP is stuck with Trump and his sheep, the Democrats are stuck with these people.

This isn't all that complicated. But both parties refuse to look in the mirror, and they both feed into the worst impulses of the other.

And yet you weighed the two options and felt going with the party that controls Biden/Harris and supports defunding the police, socialism, PC, identity politics and cancel culture, not to mention free healthcare for illegals, less border control,etc. as a better option than voting for someone whose personatility really rubs you the wrong way. For all the talk, that is what it boils down to for the majority of independents or any Republicans that didn’t vote for Trump. If Trump speeches gave them the warm fuzzies like Obama’s, they would all have vote for him. For those with TDS, this election was at most 10% about policy and 90% about not liking the man just as Obama was elected for the exact opposite reasons.

In your mind, sure. Nothing I can do about that.

 

[JoeB131]

There was a slogan, "defund the police". What it means is reallocating funds to try to mitigate the factors that cause crime and the violent interactions between police and people of color. But what voters heard was "defund the police." Lots of liberals embraced it...and not surprisingly...that didn't go over too well with voters.

I agree to a point, BLM scared off some white voters.

Trump got 57% of the White vote in 2020. This is actually worse than he did in 2016, when he got 58% of the white vote.

He got 12% of the black vote (up from 8% in 2016) and 32% of the Hispanic vote (up from 28% in 2016). Both of these are trend lines, however, because Romney did better with whites and worse with minorities in 2012 than Trump did in 2016.

So if BLM really was that much of a factor, he would have done better with whites and worse with minorities, not the other way around.

I wouldn't read too much into any of this, however. The fact is, Trump had the power of incumbency. All other things being equal, people will go with the devil they know. Even Jerry Ford, who had a reputation as the bumbling fool with a WIN button who pardoned Nixon, STILL managed to squeak out 48% of the vote in 1976. Trump being a master of media manipulation, managed to dominate the conversation the whole time. Biden is going to have a serious discussion about policies, he had to contend with a bunch of crazy tweets that dominated the news cycle.

Now, on these congressional districts, again, this isn't too unusual. Most of these districts were drawn (gerrymandered) to favor Republicans. That a Democrat took some of them at all was a miracle in and of itself. What amazed me is that they managed to retain some of the ones they did.

For instance, Lauren Underwood managed to pick up Denny Hastert's old district, which is a strong R district in 2018. She was a black woman who managed to win in a district that is 85% white. She barely squeaked by to win a second term over Jim "the Milk Dud" Oberweis, who keeps running for things and losing. If I were a betting man, I wouldn't put much stock in her winning a third term in 2022. But it shows that "all politics are local". There were a whole lot of factors going on that had nothing to do with the national scene.

 

[JoeB131]

And yet you weighed the two options and felt going with the party that controls Biden/Harris and supports defunding the police, socialism, PC, identity politics and cancel culture, not to mention free healthcare for illegals, less border control,etc. as a better option than voting for someone whose personatility really rubs you the wrong way.

Political Correctness and Cancel Culture are here to stay no matter who wins the presidential election. If anything, Trump made them worse because he didn't use the clever code words Republicans usually use to frighten stupid white people, he was outwardly racist and forced people to make a stand.

If socialism appeals to people now, it's because most of us know that under Capitalism, we are one illness away from being wiped out economically. The foolishness of your health care being linked to your employment status was exposed when 65 million of us lost our jobs, either permanently or temporarily, during a public health crisis.

And to be clear, Trump signed off on Trillions of dollars in payments to individuals and businesses to keep the economy afloat. If that isn't socialism, then it's socialism with Groucho Glasses.

For all the talk, that is what it boils down to for the majority of independents or any Republicans that didn’t vote for Trump. If Trump speeches gave them the warm fuzzies like Obama’s, they would all have vote for him. For those with TDS, this election was at most 10% about policy and 90% about not liking the man just as Obama was elected for the exact opposite reasons.

Okay, now, I'm going to try to engage you, unlike Mitlaufer Mac.

Yes, Trump's personality had a lot to do with why people voted against him, even if they might have agreed with some of the things he was doing. Mostly because you don't want someone in charge who does erratic things. Hey, remember when he almost got us involved in a war with Iran when he assassinated an Iranian leader? Or when he attacked Denmark for rejecting his offer to buy Greenland?

Oh, wait, you barely remember those things because he's done so many crazy things since you forgot about them.

To put the analogy another way, the pilot who does barrel rolls might get you safely to the destination, but you are still going to be reluctant to get on his plane again.

Yes, I want a president who sends a clear message during a crisis, who isn't self-absorbed, who doesn't pettily go after not only his enemies, but occasionally his friends when they even show the slightest hint of having their own opinions.

So let me ask you a question, if you had a friend who acted like Trump, would that person still be your friend for very long?

 

[JoeB131]

There wasn't a Blue Wave because the Left is only somewhat less annoying than Trump.

The loudest voices on the Left are pushing defunding the police, socialism, political correctness, identity politics and cancel culture.

Just as the GOP is stuck with Trump and his sheep, the Democrats are stuck with these people.

This isn't all that complicated. But both parties refuse to look in the mirror, and they both feed into the worst impulses of the other.

Ho-hum... only a matter of time before Mitlaufer Mac managed to whine about his lost white privilege.

Hey, we are probably going to end up defunding the police, not because BLM screamed for it, but because the economic wreckage from Trump Plague means states and cities are going to have a lot less revenue to work with in the next year.

As for "Cancel Culture", I'm still waiting for the example of that actually happening where it wasn't deserved. Yes, we have cancelled people like Harvey Weinstein and Kevin Spacey. Um, why is this a bad thing, exactly.

 

[JoeB131]

I understand where you're coming from The number just don't add up. From your last pt, they are already doing that, why you need to defund the cops. Then, bact to your first pt, why is the police in the scene in the first place?
At the end, the leftist dolts believed "defund the police" is a woke slogan. Too bad, they had BLM at the same time. People were scared.

Um, not really. As stated earlier, Trump did worse with White People this time. He did slightly better with minorities, but that was only because he had the value of incumbency.