CDZ An open letter to Mark Zuckerberg

[candycorn]

It isn't a like or dislike issue. There are huge amounts of crap I don't like but I wouldn't call for a ban of any sort.

This is more a matter of common decency.

These people lost their kids and are now being assaulted by crazy wicked people.

If they had been kidnapped and tortured in a cave the bad guys would be locked up.I don't see the difference between physical and mental torture.

No social media company or anyone else is obliged to give anyone else a forum. Alex Jones is simply a merchant of bad taste and his types of commentary are not remotely honest, truthful, or enlightened.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

It isn't a like or dislike issue. There are huge amounts of crap I don't like but I wouldn't call for a ban of any sort.

This is more a matter of common decency.

These people lost their kids and are now being assaulted by crazy wicked people.

If they had been kidnapped and tortured in a cave the bad guys would be locked up.I don't see the difference between physical and mental torture.

No social media company or anyone else is obliged to give anyone else a forum. Alex Jones is simply a merchant of bad taste and his types of commentary are not remotely honest, truthful, or enlightened.

Thats the thing isnt it ? These nutters can believe any crap they want but they should not be allowed to attack the victims with it.

 

[Tilly]

It isn't a like or dislike issue. There are huge amounts of crap I don't like but I wouldn't call for a ban of any sort.

This is more a matter of common decency.

These people lost their kids and are now being assaulted by crazy wicked people.

If they had been kidnapped and tortured in a cave the bad guys would be locked up.I don't see the difference between physical and mental torture.

No social media company or anyone else is obliged to give anyone else a forum. Alex Jones is simply a merchant of bad taste and his types of commentary are not remotely honest, truthful, or enlightened.

Thats the thing isnt it ? These nutters can believe any crap they want but they should not be allowed to attack the victims with it.

What do you classify as ‘attack’ in this context?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

It isn't a like or dislike issue. There are huge amounts of crap I don't like but I wouldn't call for a ban of any sort.

This is more a matter of common decency.

These people lost their kids and are now being assaulted by crazy wicked people.

If they had been kidnapped and tortured in a cave the bad guys would be locked up.I don't see the difference between physical and mental torture.

No social media company or anyone else is obliged to give anyone else a forum. Alex Jones is simply a merchant of bad taste and his types of commentary are not remotely honest, truthful, or enlightened.

Thats the thing isnt it ? These nutters can believe any crap they want but they should not be allowed to attack the victims with it.

What do you classify as ‘attack’ in this context?

Its detailed in the OP.

 

[Tilly]

It isn't a like or dislike issue. There are huge amounts of crap I don't like but I wouldn't call for a ban of any sort.

This is more a matter of common decency.

These people lost their kids and are now being assaulted by crazy wicked people.

If they had been kidnapped and tortured in a cave the bad guys would be locked up.I don't see the difference between physical and mental torture.

No social media company or anyone else is obliged to give anyone else a forum. Alex Jones is simply a merchant of bad taste and his types of commentary are not remotely honest, truthful, or enlightened.

Thats the thing isnt it ? These nutters can believe any crap they want but they should not be allowed to attack the victims with it.

What do you classify as ‘attack’ in this context?

Its detailed in the OP.

Just did. So ‘claims’ are attacks?
How do you propose to protect people against ‘claims’?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

It isn't a like or dislike issue. There are huge amounts of crap I don't like but I wouldn't call for a ban of any sort.

This is more a matter of common decency.

These people lost their kids and are now being assaulted by crazy wicked people.

If they had been kidnapped and tortured in a cave the bad guys would be locked up.I don't see the difference between physical and mental torture.

No social media company or anyone else is obliged to give anyone else a forum. Alex Jones is simply a merchant of bad taste and his types of commentary are not remotely honest, truthful, or enlightened.

Thats the thing isnt it ? These nutters can believe any crap they want but they should not be allowed to attack the victims with it.

What do you classify as ‘attack’ in this context?

Its detailed in the OP.

Just did. So ‘claims’ are attacks?
How do you propose to protect people against ‘claims’?

Ban them off facebook/twitter whatever. I cant think of anything more wicked. Attacking grieving parents is beyond redemption. And the ringmasters should be locked up. If these cowards said these things to the parents faces they would likely be ripped apart. Doing it behind the keyboard doesnt make it less hateful.

 

[Tilly]

No social media company or anyone else is obliged to give anyone else a forum. Alex Jones is simply a merchant of bad taste and his types of commentary are not remotely honest, truthful, or enlightened.

Thats the thing isnt it ? These nutters can believe any crap they want but they should not be allowed to attack the victims with it.

What do you classify as ‘attack’ in this context?

Its detailed in the OP.

Just did. So ‘claims’ are attacks?
How do you propose to protect people against ‘claims’?

Ban them off facebook/twitter whatever. I cant think of anything more wicked. Attacking grieving parents is beyond redemption. And the ringmasters should be locked up. If these cowards said these things to the parents faces they would likely be ripped apart. Doing it behind the keyboard doesnt make it less hateful.

Nope. You are advocating fascism on the basis of not liking or agreeing with other peoples ‘claims’ and views.
It’s also not acceptable to physically rip people apart because of what they say or believe, but you have supported violence against people who’s views you don’t like so many times I’m not surprised you have to be reminded that it’s unacceptable and fascist.
Got any non-fascist solutions???

 

[Tilly]

No social media company or anyone else is obliged to give anyone else a forum. Alex Jones is simply a merchant of bad taste and his types of commentary are not remotely honest, truthful, or enlightened.

Thats the thing isnt it ? These nutters can believe any crap they want but they should not be allowed to attack the victims with it.

What do you classify as ‘attack’ in this context?

Its detailed in the OP.

Just did. So ‘claims’ are attacks?
How do you propose to protect people against ‘claims’?

Ban them off facebook/twitter whatever. I cant think of anything more wicked. Attacking grieving parents is beyond redemption. And the ringmasters should be locked up. If these cowards said these things to the parents faces they would likely be ripped apart. Doing it behind the keyboard doesnt make it less hateful.

It’s interesting you can ‘think of nothing more wicked’.
Drugging, trafficking and gang raping children for years on end whilst the authorities ignore the issue and even tell the kids they are racist is pretty wicked yet that doesn’t seem to upset you that much at all.
So I think it’s pretty clear you simply want to censor people you disagree with and aren’t too bothered about the people who don’t actually have to read it.

 

[Ridgerunner]

It’s interesting you can ‘think of nothing more wicked’.
Drugging, trafficking and gang raping children for years on end whilst the authorities ignore the issue and even tell the kids they are racist is pretty wicked yet that doesn’t seem to upset you that much at all.

Tilly I was going to say the same thing to tammy, but you were a lot more diplomatic than I was going to be... She is such a bonehead...

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Thats the thing isnt it ? These nutters can believe any crap they want but they should not be allowed to attack the victims with it.

What do you classify as ‘attack’ in this context?

Its detailed in the OP.

Just did. So ‘claims’ are attacks?
How do you propose to protect people against ‘claims’?

Ban them off facebook/twitter whatever. I cant think of anything more wicked. Attacking grieving parents is beyond redemption. And the ringmasters should be locked up. If these cowards said these things to the parents faces they would likely be ripped apart. Doing it behind the keyboard doesnt make it less hateful.

It’s interesting you can ‘think of nothing more wicked’.
Drugging, trafficking and gang raping children for years on end whilst the authorities ignore the issue and even tell the kids they are racist is pretty wicked yet that doesn’t seem to upset you that much at all.
So I think it’s pretty clear you simply want to censor people you disagree with and aren’t too bothered about the people who don’t actually have to read it.

Im not sure how the two issues are related. But its clear you have considered this and feel its acceptable to make up stories about grieving parents and hound them out of their homes. I dont think that it is.

 

[Tilly]

What do you classify as ‘attack’ in this context?

Its detailed in the OP.

Just did. So ‘claims’ are attacks?
How do you propose to protect people against ‘claims’?

Ban them off facebook/twitter whatever. I cant think of anything more wicked. Attacking grieving parents is beyond redemption. And the ringmasters should be locked up. If these cowards said these things to the parents faces they would likely be ripped apart. Doing it behind the keyboard doesnt make it less hateful.

It’s interesting you can ‘think of nothing more wicked’.
Drugging, trafficking and gang raping children for years on end whilst the authorities ignore the issue and even tell the kids they are racist is pretty wicked yet that doesn’t seem to upset you that much at all.
So I think it’s pretty clear you simply want to censor people you disagree with and aren’t too bothered about the people who don’t actually have to read it.

Im not sure how the two issues are related. But its clear you have considered this and feel its acceptable to make up stories about grieving parents and hound them out of their homes. I dont think that it is.

Of course they are related. And no, I don’t approve of this behaviour, but neither do I approve of your predictably fascist ‘solutions’, solutions that are invariably targeted only at individuals from the right of the political spectrum and people you don’t approve of or agree with.
And the families affected DONT HAVE TO READ THIS CRAP.

 

[Tilly]

What do you classify as ‘attack’ in this context?

Its detailed in the OP.

Just did. So ‘claims’ are attacks?
How do you propose to protect people against ‘claims’?

Ban them off facebook/twitter whatever. I cant think of anything more wicked. Attacking grieving parents is beyond redemption. And the ringmasters should be locked up. If these cowards said these things to the parents faces they would likely be ripped apart. Doing it behind the keyboard doesnt make it less hateful.

It’s interesting you can ‘think of nothing more wicked’.
Drugging, trafficking and gang raping children for years on end whilst the authorities ignore the issue and even tell the kids they are racist is pretty wicked yet that doesn’t seem to upset you that much at all.
So I think it’s pretty clear you simply want to censor people you disagree with and aren’t too bothered about the people who don’t actually have to read it.

Im not sure how the two issues are related. But its clear you have considered this and feel its acceptable to make up stories about grieving parents and hound them out of their homes. I dont think that it is.

But you aren’t averse to making up stories yourself, so again, you are being somewhat hypocritical in whom you decide is deserving of your sympathy and whom you decide is singled out for silencing.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Its detailed in the OP.

Just did. So ‘claims’ are attacks?
How do you propose to protect people against ‘claims’?

Ban them off facebook/twitter whatever. I cant think of anything more wicked. Attacking grieving parents is beyond redemption. And the ringmasters should be locked up. If these cowards said these things to the parents faces they would likely be ripped apart. Doing it behind the keyboard doesnt make it less hateful.

It’s interesting you can ‘think of nothing more wicked’.
Drugging, trafficking and gang raping children for years on end whilst the authorities ignore the issue and even tell the kids they are racist is pretty wicked yet that doesn’t seem to upset you that much at all.
So I think it’s pretty clear you simply want to censor people you disagree with and aren’t too bothered about the people who don’t actually have to read it.

Im not sure how the two issues are related. But its clear you have considered this and feel its acceptable to make up stories about grieving parents and hound them out of their homes. I dont think that it is.

But you aren’t averse to making up stories yourself, so again, you are being somewhat hypocritical in whom you decide is deserving of your sympathy and whom you decide is singled out for silencing.

I dont make things up.
Perhaps you could address the topic rather than turn the thread into a personal crusade against myself.

 

[Tilly]

Just did. So ‘claims’ are attacks?
How do you propose to protect people against ‘claims’?

Ban them off facebook/twitter whatever. I cant think of anything more wicked. Attacking grieving parents is beyond redemption. And the ringmasters should be locked up. If these cowards said these things to the parents faces they would likely be ripped apart. Doing it behind the keyboard doesnt make it less hateful.

It’s interesting you can ‘think of nothing more wicked’.
Drugging, trafficking and gang raping children for years on end whilst the authorities ignore the issue and even tell the kids they are racist is pretty wicked yet that doesn’t seem to upset you that much at all.
So I think it’s pretty clear you simply want to censor people you disagree with and aren’t too bothered about the people who don’t actually have to read it.

Im not sure how the two issues are related. But its clear you have considered this and feel its acceptable to make up stories about grieving parents and hound them out of their homes. I dont think that it is.

But you aren’t averse to making up stories yourself, so again, you are being somewhat hypocritical in whom you decide is deserving of your sympathy and whom you decide is singled out for silencing.

I dont make things up.
Perhaps you could address the topic rather than turn the thread into a personal crusade against myself.

You are the one who is suggesting that people who ‘make things up’ be silenced - well that would necessitate that you are silenced as you make things up constantly. This silencing you are so keen on having enforced is the major point of your thread, so it is totally relevant to point out to you that under your own criteria for silencing people, you would be next.

Of course, we could also revisit the point that nobody has to read anything anyone else writes if we don’t like it, just as I am not forced to read the stuff you make up.
It’s my decision and I wouldn’t ask that you or anyone else be silenced on the basis that your made up stuff offends me. If I can’t handle being offended it’s my responsibility to stop reading.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Ban them off facebook/twitter whatever. I cant think of anything more wicked. Attacking grieving parents is beyond redemption. And the ringmasters should be locked up. If these cowards said these things to the parents faces they would likely be ripped apart. Doing it behind the keyboard doesnt make it less hateful.

It’s interesting you can ‘think of nothing more wicked’.
Drugging, trafficking and gang raping children for years on end whilst the authorities ignore the issue and even tell the kids they are racist is pretty wicked yet that doesn’t seem to upset you that much at all.
So I think it’s pretty clear you simply want to censor people you disagree with and aren’t too bothered about the people who don’t actually have to read it.

Im not sure how the two issues are related. But its clear you have considered this and feel its acceptable to make up stories about grieving parents and hound them out of their homes. I dont think that it is.

But you aren’t averse to making up stories yourself, so again, you are being somewhat hypocritical in whom you decide is deserving of your sympathy and whom you decide is singled out for silencing.

I dont make things up.
Perhaps you could address the topic rather than turn the thread into a personal crusade against myself.

You are the one who is suggesting that people who ‘make things up’ be silenced - well that would necessitate that you are silenced as you make things up constantly. This silencing you are so keen on having enforced is the major point of your thread, so it is totally relevant to point out to you that under your own criteria for silencing people, you would be next.

Of course, we could also revisit the point that nobody has to read anything anyone else writes if we don’t like it, just as I am not forced to read the stuff you make up.
It’s my decision and I wouldn’t ask that you or anyone else be silenced on the basis that your made up stuff offends me. If I can’t handle being offended it’s my responsibility to stop reading.

Why would you support the persecution of victims ? What cause are you fighting ?

 

[Tilly]

It’s interesting you can ‘think of nothing more wicked’.
Drugging, trafficking and gang raping children for years on end whilst the authorities ignore the issue and even tell the kids they are racist is pretty wicked yet that doesn’t seem to upset you that much at all.
So I think it’s pretty clear you simply want to censor people you disagree with and aren’t too bothered about the people who don’t actually have to read it.

Im not sure how the two issues are related. But its clear you have considered this and feel its acceptable to make up stories about grieving parents and hound them out of their homes. I dont think that it is.

But you aren’t averse to making up stories yourself, so again, you are being somewhat hypocritical in whom you decide is deserving of your sympathy and whom you decide is singled out for silencing.

I dont make things up.
Perhaps you could address the topic rather than turn the thread into a personal crusade against myself.

You are the one who is suggesting that people who ‘make things up’ be silenced - well that would necessitate that you are silenced as you make things up constantly. This silencing you are so keen on having enforced is the major point of your thread, so it is totally relevant to point out to you that under your own criteria for silencing people, you would be next.

Of course, we could also revisit the point that nobody has to read anything anyone else writes if we don’t like it, just as I am not forced to read the stuff you make up.
It’s my decision and I wouldn’t ask that you or anyone else be silenced on the basis that your made up stuff offends me. If I can’t handle being offended it’s my responsibility to stop reading.

Why would you support the persecution of victims ? What cause are you fighting ?

Would you care to show me where I ‘support the persecution of victims’?
TIA.

 

[FA_Q2]

These people realize that they don’t have to advertise themselves on Fakebook, don’t they? It’s a pretty simple solution... How stupid are they? If they think people are stalking them through their use of Fakebook,”Quit using it!”

I disagree.

If I'm stalking you every time you leave your house I am the problem, not you leaving your house.

And stalking is illegal.

Posting crap online is not nor should it be.

An open letter to Mark Zuckerberg from the parents of a Sandy Hook victim

Dear Mr Zuckerberg,

Our names are Lenny Pozner and Veronique De La Rosa. We are the parents of Noah, who on 14 December, 2012, at the age of six, was gunned down in his classroom at Sandy Hook elementary school. Since that day, we, as well as the parents, family, and friends of the 25 other victims, have been embroiled in a constant battle with social media providers, including Facebook, to protect us from harassment and threats.

Almost immediately after the massacre of 20 little children, all under the age of seven, and six elementary school teachers and staff, the attacks on us began. Conspiracy groups and anti-government provocateurs began making claims on Facebook that the massacre was a hoax, that the murdered were so-called “crisis actors” and that their audience should rise up to “find out the truth” about our families. These claims and calls to action spread across Facebook like wildfire and, despite our pleas, were protected by Facebook.

I cant imagine anything worse than losing your child. Apart from being told that it didnt happen.

Is this a free speech issue ?

I dont believe it is. I think that victims are entitled to some protection. The cranks that believe these things are free to think whatever crap they believe in and set up their own platforms to share their poison.
That is freedom of speech.

I think that facebook should spend some of its profits to protect the victims of slaughter.

Stay off of social media....

Simple as that.

Why should they have to ? Social media is an integral part of our lives these days.

The general point that you seem to keep missing is that they DO NOT HAVE TO. It is a decision - do they want to participate in that forum or not. Forcing everyone else to conform to your sensitivities is simply wrong no matter how hard you dig to find the most despicable examples of online trolls.

The other point worth while is that facebook is not the only social media platform either. If they do not like the way facebook is run then they should go to another social media platform. One that is more geared to what they are looking for.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

These people realize that they don’t have to advertise themselves on Fakebook, don’t they? It’s a pretty simple solution... How stupid are they? If they think people are stalking them through their use of Fakebook,”Quit using it!”

I disagree.

If I'm stalking you every time you leave your house I am the problem, not you leaving your house.

And stalking is illegal.

Posting crap online is not nor should it be.

An open letter to Mark Zuckerberg from the parents of a Sandy Hook victim

Dear Mr Zuckerberg,

Our names are Lenny Pozner and Veronique De La Rosa. We are the parents of Noah, who on 14 December, 2012, at the age of six, was gunned down in his classroom at Sandy Hook elementary school. Since that day, we, as well as the parents, family, and friends of the 25 other victims, have been embroiled in a constant battle with social media providers, including Facebook, to protect us from harassment and threats.

Almost immediately after the massacre of 20 little children, all under the age of seven, and six elementary school teachers and staff, the attacks on us began. Conspiracy groups and anti-government provocateurs began making claims on Facebook that the massacre was a hoax, that the murdered were so-called “crisis actors” and that their audience should rise up to “find out the truth” about our families. These claims and calls to action spread across Facebook like wildfire and, despite our pleas, were protected by Facebook.

I cant imagine anything worse than losing your child. Apart from being told that it didnt happen.

Is this a free speech issue ?

I dont believe it is. I think that victims are entitled to some protection. The cranks that believe these things are free to think whatever crap they believe in and set up their own platforms to share their poison.
That is freedom of speech.

I think that facebook should spend some of its profits to protect the victims of slaughter.

Stay off of social media....

Simple as that.

Why should they have to ? Social media is an integral part of our lives these days.

The general point that you seem to keep missing is that they DO NOT HAVE TO. It is a decision - do they want to participate in that forum or not. Forcing everyone else to conform to your sensitivities is simply wrong no matter how hard you dig to find the most despicable examples of online trolls.

The other point worth while is that facebook is not the only social media platform either. If they do not like the way facebook is run then they should go to another social media platform. One that is more geared to what they are looking for.

I understand perfectly the point that you are making. I disagree with the thinking behind it.

These people are victims and are entitled to protection.

They are not singers or actors upset about a bad review.

These sites are now mainstream places of business and they have a duty of care to their customers.

If you walk into a shop or a cinema you expect the owners to maintain a level of security for its customers.

So if some idiot started banging into my trolley and accusing me of faking the murder of my kids I would expect them to be removed from the building at the least. Why should online be any different ?

It does look like these tech giants are starting to wake up to their responsibilites. Those that dont risk becoming the lairs of loons and racists. And that is bad for the bottom line.

 

[frigidweirdo]

An open letter to Mark Zuckerberg from the parents of a Sandy Hook victim

Dear Mr Zuckerberg,

Our names are Lenny Pozner and Veronique De La Rosa. We are the parents of Noah, who on 14 December, 2012, at the age of six, was gunned down in his classroom at Sandy Hook elementary school. Since that day, we, as well as the parents, family, and friends of the 25 other victims, have been embroiled in a constant battle with social media providers, including Facebook, to protect us from harassment and threats.

Almost immediately after the massacre of 20 little children, all under the age of seven, and six elementary school teachers and staff, the attacks on us began. Conspiracy groups and anti-government provocateurs began making claims on Facebook that the massacre was a hoax, that the murdered were so-called “crisis actors” and that their audience should rise up to “find out the truth” about our families. These claims and calls to action spread across Facebook like wildfire and, despite our pleas, were protected by Facebook.

I cant imagine anything worse than losing your child. Apart from being told that it didnt happen.

Is this a free speech issue ?

I dont believe it is. I think that victims are entitled to some protection. The cranks that believe these things are free to think whatever crap they believe in and set up their own platforms to share their poison.
That is freedom of speech.

I think that facebook should spend some of its profits to protect the victims of slaughter.

Unfortunately I think it is free speech.

Its a shame we can't effectively fly the "hoaxers" out to meet the families and see the bodies somehow. I share your aggravation but think we'll need to get original to set the hoaxers straight on this one.

Is it though?

The theory behind Human Rights is that you can do anything as long as it doesn't hurt or harm others.

So, this is clearly hurting other people, therefore it's not protected by Human Rights.

 

[Vastator]

These people realize that they don’t have to advertise themselves on Fakebook, don’t they? It’s a pretty simple solution... How stupid are they? If they think people are stalking them through their use of Fakebook,”Quit using it!”

I disagree.

If I'm stalking you every time you leave your house I am the problem, not you leaving your house.

And stalking is illegal.

Posting crap online is not nor should it be.

An open letter to Mark Zuckerberg from the parents of a Sandy Hook victim

Dear Mr Zuckerberg,

Our names are Lenny Pozner and Veronique De La Rosa. We are the parents of Noah, who on 14 December, 2012, at the age of six, was gunned down in his classroom at Sandy Hook elementary school. Since that day, we, as well as the parents, family, and friends of the 25 other victims, have been embroiled in a constant battle with social media providers, including Facebook, to protect us from harassment and threats.

Almost immediately after the massacre of 20 little children, all under the age of seven, and six elementary school teachers and staff, the attacks on us began. Conspiracy groups and anti-government provocateurs began making claims on Facebook that the massacre was a hoax, that the murdered were so-called “crisis actors” and that their audience should rise up to “find out the truth” about our families. These claims and calls to action spread across Facebook like wildfire and, despite our pleas, were protected by Facebook.

I cant imagine anything worse than losing your child. Apart from being told that it didnt happen.

Is this a free speech issue ?

I dont believe it is. I think that victims are entitled to some protection. The cranks that believe these things are free to think whatever crap they believe in and set up their own platforms to share their poison.
That is freedom of speech.

I think that facebook should spend some of its profits to protect the victims of slaughter.

Stay off of social media....

Simple as that.

Why should they have to ? Social media is an integral part of our lives these days.

The general point that you seem to keep missing is that they DO NOT HAVE TO. It is a decision - do they want to participate in that forum or not. Forcing everyone else to conform to your sensitivities is simply wrong no matter how hard you dig to find the most despicable examples of online trolls.

The other point worth while is that facebook is not the only social media platform either. If they do not like the way facebook is run then they should go to another social media platform. One that is more geared to what they are looking for.

I understand perfectly the point that you are making. I disagree with the thinking behind it.

These people are victims and are entitled to protection.

They are not singers or actors upset about a bad review.

These sites are now mainstream places of business and they have a duty of care to their customers.

If you walk into a shop or a cinema you expect the owners to maintain a level of security for its customers.

So if some idiot started banging into my trolley and accusing me of faking the murder of my kids I would expect them to be removed from the building at the least. Why should online be any different ?

It does look like these tech giants are starting to wake up to their responsibilites. Those that dont risk becoming the lairs of loons and racists. And that is bad for the bottom line.

You lost all credibility at the word “entitled”. (Not that you actually had any...)
Thanks for playing...