An Iran Fairy Tale

[PoliticalChic]

1.Once upon a time there was a soveto rign nation known as Yugoslavia.



2. Yugoslavia was led by a powerful dictator known as Tito. He ruled with harsh repression to keep these ethnicities together:
—Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks, Slovenes, Macedonians, and Montenegrins—along with significant Albanian, Hungarian, and Roma populations

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3. When Tito died, this was the result.

Each ethnic group formed its own country.




4. Iran was led by a powerful dictator known as the Ayatollah. He ruled with harsh repression to keep these ethnicities together:
AI Overview

Iran is a multi-ethnic society, with Persians forming the largest group (~51–61%). Major minority groups include Azerbaijanis (16–24%), Kurds (7–10%), and Lurs (2–6%). Other significant populations include Gilakis, Mazandaranis, Arabs, Baloch, Turkmen, and Qashqai,




5. If the current regime of Ayatollahs is ended, and if the daydream of the Yugoslavian pattern resulted, we would never see the resergence of the Iran threat again.

 

[Auld Phart]

I prefer the one about Ali Baba and the 40 thieves.

 

[Robert W]

1.Once upon a time there was a soveto rign nation known as Yugoslavia.



2. Yugoslavia was led by a powerful dictator known as Tito. He ruled with harsh repression to keep these ethnicities together:
—Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks, Slovenes, Macedonians, and Montenegrins—along with significant Albanian, Hungarian, and Roma populations

.
3. When Tito died, this was the result.
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Each ethnic group formed its own country.




4. Iran was led by a powerful dictator known as the Ayatollah. He ruled with harsh repression to keep these ethnicities together:
AI Overview



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Iran is a multi-ethnic society, with Persians forming the largest group (~51–61%). Major minority groups include Azerbaijanis (16–24%), Kurds (7–10%), and Lurs (2–6%). Other significant populations include Gilakis, Mazandaranis, Arabs, Baloch, Turkmen, and Qashqai,




5. If the current regime of Ayatollahs is ended, and if the daydream of the Yugoslavian pattern resulted, we would never see the resergence of the Iran threat again.

This is very important history. When I served in the Army of the US circa 1962-64, suddenly I got interested in history. I served with Germans who were in our army as a path to citizenship. One such German was in a wealthy family, and he lived in NY after I got home for years and then went back to Germany where he died later. I knew a solder from Hungary, so he told me a lot about the Soviet Union. He too was in the Army as a path to being a citizen of the USA.

He was with me at Nurnberg the time we visited the enormous Nazi stadium where Hitler talked to Germans and posed for me as "see no evil, speak no evil and hear no evil". This poster in the top story knows her history very well.

 

[Chuz Life]

This is very important history. When I served in the Army of the US circa 1962-64, suddenly I got interested in history. I served with Germans who were in our army as a path to citizenship. One such German was in a wealthy family, and he lived in NY after I got home for years and then went back to Germany where he died later. I knew a solder from Hungary, so he told me a lot about the Soviet Union. He too was in the Army as a path to being a citizen of the USA.

He was with me at Nurnberg the time we visited the enormous Nazi stadium where Hitler talked to Germans and posed for me as "see no evil, speak no evil and hear no evil". This poster in the top story knows her history very well.

Wow!

62-64

Thank you for your service!

Semper Fi and a salute!

 

[Leo123]

When a ruling State is removed, people will tend to gravitate to their ethnic roots for safety and security. This has historically led to fractured, warring fractions because there is no State authority. We, I believe, are currently in the removal of the repressive State. I am sure the CIA is involved and will be involved after the total fall of the IRGC and the U.S. will ensure that no great fractioning occurs before the Persians can find a suitable government/leader, etc.

 

[task0778]

5. If the current regime of Ayatollahs is ended, and if the daydream of the Yugoslavian pattern resulted, we would never see the resergence of the Iran threat again.

Don't know about 'never', but I wouldn't mind seeing the world's largest exporter of terrorism taken down a notch or two, and for as long as possible. Hopefully the satellite terrorist groups they've been supporting kinda dry up a little bit too. But I hope the US doesn't get sucked into another Afghanistan or Iraq situation.

 

[PoliticalChic]

This is very important history. When I served in the Army of the US circa 1962-64, suddenly I got interested in history. I served with Germans who were in our army as a path to citizenship. One such German was in a wealthy family, and he lived in NY after I got home for years and then went back to Germany where he died later. I knew a solder from Hungary, so he told me a lot about the Soviet Union. He too was in the Army as a path to being a citizen of the USA.

He was with me at Nurnberg the time we visited the enormous Nazi stadium where Hitler talked to Germans and posed for me as "see no evil, speak no evil and hear no evil". This poster in the top story knows her history very well.

There is an old saying "War is the way God teaches us geography"....but I like your way, too.

 

[PoliticalChic]

When a ruling State is removed, people will tend to gravitate to their ethnic roots for safety and security. This has historically led to fractured, warring fractions because there is no State authority. We, I believe, are currently in the removal of the repressive State. I am sure the CIA is involved and will be involved after the total fall of the IRGC and the U.S. will ensure that no great fractioning occurs before the Persians can find a suitable government/leader, etc.

I am hoping for warring factions, no reunification for Iran.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

This is very important history. When I served in the Army of the US circa 1962-64, suddenly I got interested in history. I served with Germans who were in our army as a path to citizenship. One such German was in a wealthy family, and he lived in NY after I got home for years and then went back to Germany where he died later. I knew a solder from Hungary, so he told me a lot about the Soviet Union. He too was in the Army as a path to being a citizen of the USA.

He was with me at Nurnberg the time we visited the enormous Nazi stadium where Hitler talked to Germans and posed for me as "see no evil, speak no evil and hear no evil". This poster in the top story knows her history very well.

Wow! You have attained a good bit of years under your belt. I was born in 1960 and people think I am ancient.

Salute!

 

[BothWings]

This is very important history. When I served in the Army of the US circa 1962-64, suddenly I got interested in history. I served with Germans who were in our army as a path to citizenship. One such German was in a wealthy family, and he lived in NY after I got home for years and then went back to Germany where he died later. I knew a solder from Hungary, so he told me a lot about the Soviet Union. He too was in the Army as a path to being a citizen of the USA.

He was with me at Nurnberg the time we visited the enormous Nazi stadium where Hitler talked to Germans and posed for me as "see no evil, speak no evil and hear no evil". This poster in the top story knows her history very well.

Sounds like you're talking about the Zeppelinwiese. My dad delivered bread in that neighborhood in the 1950's. Eventually he was one of those Germans you speak of who served in the U.S. military, eventually obtaining citizenship as a result. He was here for 5 years before he was drafted in '65. He served in the 82nd Airborne and participated in supporting a small revolution in the Dominican Republic.

 

[Robert W]

When I was a certified Real Estate Appraiser, an Iranian agent who used an American first name, Frank A, (last name Iranian) (he still is in business as a mortgage person, so I omit his last name) Talked to me quite a bit about living in Iran. There he told me he worked in construction but seemed to me to earn quite a lot doing real estate loans. Frank told me how he smuggled booze into Iran. He talked about the Shah and the Ayatollah then in charge. He answered all of my questions over time. He was also a bit upset when I told him I opened my own mortgage firm and would not approach his
customers whose names I had in my appraisal software, and I never did approach them. I got business not just from him, but others in the same firm he worked for. I never solicited them either since I knew in my heart it would be wrong. I compared his stories to those I got when I knew fairly well the former Communications director for the national police in Iran who escaped being executed by the fact he had retired under the Shah long enough, he was ignored. But he lost real estate in Iran too he told me, to the Ayatollah. This old man was a true asset to knowing Iran since he was in upper management for a long time.

 

[Robert W]

Sounds like you're talking about the Zeppelinwiese. My dad delivered bread in that neighborhood in the 1950's. Eventually he was one of those Germans you speak of who served in the U.S. military, eventually obtaining citizenship as a result. He was here for 5 years before he was drafted in '65. He served in the 82nd Airborne and participated in supporting a small revolution in the Dominican Republic.

The man who was in a wealthy German family, were wealthy due to owning in Cologne, the only Ford Dealership there. His dad sold new cars from his huge dealership.
Maletz was his family last name. Hans was angry at times since he entered the army believing he could be an officer, but the army kept him enlisted and he did not want that. We both were in the mechanized infantry. He said first he enlisted in the USA but since he was not a citizen, he was rejected as officer material.

 

[Robert W]

Wow! You have attained a good bit of years under your belt. I was born in 1960 and people think I am ancient.

Salute!

I graduated from high school in 1956. Thanks a lot.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I graduated from high school in 1956. Thanks a lot.

Keep on keepin' on!

 

[BackAgain]

I am hoping for warring factions, no reunification for Iran.

I had a pal (a Canuck) who eventually got naturalized as a US citizen. He once argued (philosophically) that as a matter of state policy, the U.S. should have balkanized Iraq.

If they don’t engage in battles with each other, they could maybe at least simply co-exist in relative peace. That would be nice.

And no scumbag ayatollah to repress, oppress and murder tens of thousands of the people. A true benefit for mankind.

 

[Leo123]

I am hoping for warring factions, no reunification for Iran.

Yes, but that’s not what I meant but I hear ya.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I had a pal (a Canuck) who eventually got naturalized as a US citizen. He once argued (philosophically) that as a matter of state policy, the U.S. should have balkanized Iraq.

If they don’t engage in battles with each other, they could maybe at least simply co-exist in relative peace. That would be nice.

And no scumbag ayatollah to repress, oppress and murder tens of thousands of the people. A true benefit for mankind.

And just what I was outling for Iran.

 

[Mushroom]

I had a pal (a Canuck) who eventually got naturalized as a US citizen. He once argued (philosophically) that as a matter of state policy, the U.S. should have balkanized Iraq.

The problem then would have been that the fractured nations would have started fighting with each other. Especially over farmland and water, not to mention the oil reserves.

You know, kinda like what happened in former Yugoslavia.

 

[BackAgain]

The problem then would have been that the fractured nations would have started fighting with each other. Especially over farmland and water, not to mention the oil reserves.

You know, kinda like what happened in former Yugoslavia.

Could well be.

Conclusion: every option comes with complications and downsides.

 

[Mushroom]

Could well be.

Conclusion: every option comes with complications and downsides.

When trying to set up a government in a nation with no prior experience with any form of democracy, I have long believed so long as the previous dynasty was not absolutely despotic that the best start would be like what was done in Japan.

Set up a strong Constitutional Monarchy, with a Parliament to run the nation and the monarch to be a unifying figure. The big problem with just a Democratic Republic in a nation with no history in that form of government is simply that many do not trust them. Seeing them as little more than "mob rule". That is what doomed both Iraq and Afghanistan. Neither of those governments were able to actually unify the nations, and each largely fractured along factional lines.