An apology to Trump supporters - Was he really that bad?

[Orangecat]

You told us how proud you are to pay very high taxes and your suffering probably won't end your business since you told us you are really rich.

He's a wealthy tycoon of industry. I saw his sprawling complex from my last launch into space.

 

[Robert W]

Your answer is an excuse, simple as that. You do not want to face reality. Excuses are dime a dozen and are meaningless to the reality.

This is ESPECIALLY true where Trump is involved. Thousands of excuses have been found to explain his actions. One excuse in one situation can be done. Thousands mean a cult induced trend.

By me it is factual. Look, all posters understand you have a personal vendetta against the President. Your excuses are as vague as one can make them. You think thousands of citizens attacked armored cops. You ignore it was a few cops who assaulted citizens, both confusing them as well as creating angry citizens. Cops were the sole cause of them firing rubber bullets and hurling what I call flash bangs that exploded behind the citizens allowing them one path to escape, right into the Capitol Building. Where cops opened doors and welcomed them to come in. So they came in.

 

[Robert W]

I do when he cares about others, which he almost never does. I do for his family. I do for his relationship with humanity. Being aware that he is lacking does not mean I am lacking.

I have created a topic of my problems with Trump. My problems do not include your statements. Even though I am correct in my problems with Trump, those replying to me get only polite replies to them by me. I am not saying you are not polite but fans of you are rude, incorrect and vile. I do not note you hammering them.
A.Trump cares About all citizens in, and of the USA. Freeing citizens locked in other lands gives you proof. Awareness is not defined as Empathy.

 

[toobfreak]

Trump has single handedly ruined the economy

Funny, it is doing just fine here.

Biden was an old dude but we exited the pandemic with the best economy in the world with the smallest inflation rate in the first world. It was a world event, not a Biden issue.

So, not only is that all bullshit, it doesn't even apply.

I mean the dude is posting twitters on Taylor Swift and Bruce Springsteen instead of trying to get world trade going. He got his butt spanked by the Houthi as well.

Still fighting mental health as well as reality I see.

 

[Luckyone]

By me it is factual. Look, all posters understand you have a personal vendetta against the President. Your excuses are as vague as one can make them. You think thousands of citizens attacked armored cops. You ignore it was a few cops who assaulted citizens, both confusing them as well as creating angry citizens. Cops were the sole cause of them firing rubber bullets and hurling what I call flash bangs that exploded behind the citizens allowing them one path to escape, right into the Capitol Building. Where cops opened doors and welcomed them to come in. So they came in.

One thing that cannot be ignored is that they entered the Capitol uninvited (forced their way in) and in mass number and many were with weapons. That is not considered a protest. It is an invasion of a sacred government building that represents our country, our Constitution, and our legal way of electing the representatives of our country.

Whatever you WANT to call it, it was illegal and the meaning of doing so (getting rid of the elected president and giving back the presidency to the loser) occurred.

Stop the fantasy of trying to call is something that it isn't. These are the facts.

 

[Luckyone]

If you consider the democrat apparatus the same as the Constitution, yes. Democrats have raped the constitution so many times, they have given the poor thing a venereal disease.

Prove it! your accusations are lies and without merit!

 

[Robert W]

Biden was an old dude but we exited the pandemic with the best economy in the world with the smallest inflation rate in the first world. It was a world event, not a Biden issue.

Citizens of the USA are who paid very high prices, not some Venezuelan. Meaning your comment it was the world does not apply. Biden's economy started 8 months into his time in office. Things he did that immediately caused inflation was treating oil as this nations enemy. Anyway, Biden also wanted to jack up your taxes. So why are you loyal to Biden and Democrats?

 

[Robert W]

One thing that cannot be ignored is that they entered the Capitol uninvited (forced their way in) and in mass number and many were with weapons. That is not considered a protest. It is an invasion of a sacred government building that represents our country, our Constitution, and our legal way of electing the representatives of our country.

Whatever you WANT to call it, it was illegal and the meaning of doing so (getting rid of the elected president and giving back the presidency to the loser) occurred.

Stop the fantasy of trying to call is something that it isn't. These are the facts.

Cops walked them in. So you think Cops forced them in? Why given the help of the Cops to get right in, do you think the fans were not invited in? Apparently you Democrats shun going into the Capitol since you believe you are not allowed inside. I have been inside and had no problems with cops at all. I recall the cop doling out passes in fact to enter the building.

 

[Lesh]

Trumps sole mission as President is to care for every human under his jurisdiction. Empathy is not conditional. Why do you think it is conditional?

You’re downing the Kool aid by the jug

 

[Lesh]

Yes prices have come down and the market is booming

Grocery prices experience biggest drop in almost 5 years

Food at-home costs fell 0.4% in April

www.supermarketnews.com

‘Big’ market gains signal that investors think the ‘worst’ is behind us: Paul Hickey | Fox Business Video

Bespoke Investment Group co-founder Paul Hickey breaks down the current volatility in the market and discusses his current favorite investment opportunities on ‘Making Money.’

www.foxbusiness.com

Your own link says 70% of shoppers are worried about rising prices

And an increased number are putting them on credit cards

 

[Robert W]

You’re downing the Kool aid by the jug

Why are you crying? I saw you kissing Biden's ass daily!!!

 

[struth]

Your own link says 70% of shoppers are worried about rising prices

And an increased number are putting them on credit cards

Cool, who isn’t? But as of now we saw the largest drop in five years

 

[Robert W]

Your own link says 70% of shoppers are worried about rising prices

And an increased number are putting them on credit cards

Democrats are sowing problems via their media.
Many, like me pay only by credit cards to get bonus points, no fees, and pay every month on time. Credit cards work better than paying cash.

 

[struth]

Your own link says 70% of shoppers are worried about rising prices

And an increased number are putting them on credit cards

Credit card debt reach a record high under xiden

Undoing the damage of four years of the dems policies isn’t gonna end over night

Credit card debt hits record $1.17 trillion, New York Fed research shows

Credit card balances rose in the third quarter of 2024, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York found.

www.cnbc.com

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Why are you crying? I saw you kissing Biden's ass daily!!!

So BDS.

 

[citygator]

Funny, it is doing just fine here.


So, not only is that all bullshit, it doesn't even apply.


Still fighting mental health as well as reality I see.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/16/business/moody-us-credit

 

[citygator]

You told us how proud you are to pay very high taxes and your suffering probably won't end your business since you told us you are really rich.

No one likes less business and higher prices and that includes those of us in business. Price elasticity is a real thing.

 

[citygator]

That was not the claim by Trump. She directs the capitol police. She was asked by Trump to allow Trump to include reserve forces to be there to ensure no violence. She said nope. His troops would fall under her command had she agreed.

The so called attack was the creation of the capitol police. Capitol police inside the capitol had no problems. YES some window were being broken inside walls, yet if you watch video, it was the Capitol police who decided to walk off and of course not tell the window breakers to stop or I will shoot.
A capitol cop murdered an unarmed woman. Now the authorities are working on his case intending to prosecute the cop.

Trump himself has stated he asked her permission to help her out. He reports she said no.

The military would also protect the visitors to the Capitol yet the capitol cops never protected them.

Nancy Pelosi allowed Trumps military to guard the Capitol after the certification of the election.

Start your own thread but Pelosi cannot deploy nor stop the deployment of the national guard. She called for it publicly on Jan 6th. Never happened. Why?

 

[Etymology gaslight]

I owe Trump supporters an apology. I’ve been critical of the Trump presidency since 2016, but to be fair, President Trump wasn’t that bad, other than:

• When he incited an insurrection against the government
• Mismanaged a pandemic that killed nearly half a million Americans
• Separated children from their families, lost those children in the bureaucracy
• Tear-gassed peaceful protesters on Lafayette Square so he could hold a photo op holding a Bible in front of a church
• Tried to block all Muslims from entering the country
• Got impeached because he pressured Ukraine to dig dirt on Joe Biden,
• Got impeached again for the insurrection
• Had the worst jobs record of any president in modern history
• Fired the FBI director for investigating his ties to Russia, bragged about firing the FBI director on TV,
• Took Vladimir Putin’s word over the US intelligence community
• Diverted military funding to build his wall
• Caused the longest government shutdown in US history
• Called Black Lives Matter a “symbol of hate,”
• Lied nearly 30,000 times,
• Banned transgender people from serving in the military
• Ejected reporters from the White House briefing room who asked tough questions
• Vetoed the defense funding bill because it renamed military bases named for Confederate soldiers
• Refused to release his tax returns
• Increased the national debt by nearly $8 trillion
• Had three of the highest annual trade deficits in U.S. history
• Called veterans and soldiers who died in combat losers and suckers
• Coddled the leader of Saudi Arabia after he ordered the execution and dismembering of a US-based journalist
• Refused to concede the 2020 election
• Hired his unqualified daughter and son-in-law to work in the White House
• Called neo-Nazis “very fine people,”
• Suggested that disinfectant should be introduced into bodies to fight COVID
• Abandoned our allies the Kurds
• Pushed through massive tax cuts for the wealthiest but balked at helping working Americans,
• Incited anti-lockdown protestors in several states at the height of the pandemic
• Withdrew the US from the Paris climate accords
• Withdrew the US from the Iranian nuclear deal
• Withdrew the US from the Trans Pacific Partnership which was designed to block China’s advances
• Insulted his own Cabinet members on Twitter
• Pushed the leader of Montenegro out of the way during a photo op
• Failed to reiterate US commitment to defending NATO allies
• Called Haiti and African nations “shithole” countries
• Called the city of Baltimore the “worst in the nation,”
• Claimed that he single handedly brought back the phrase “Merry Christmas” even though it hadn’t gone anywhere
• Forced his Cabinet members to praise him publicly like some cult leader
• Believed he should be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize
• Berated and belittled his hand-picked Attorney General when he recused himself from the Russia probe
• Suggested the US should buy Greenland
• Colluded with Mitch McConnell to push through federal judges and two Supreme Court justices after supporting efforts to prevent his predecessor from appointing judges
• Repeatedly called the media “enemies of the people,”
• Claimed that if we tested fewer people for COVID we’d have fewer cases
• Violated the emoluments clause
• Thought that Nambia was a country
• Told Bob Woodward in private that the coronavirus was a big deal but then downplayed it in public
• Called his exceedingly faithful vice president a “p---y” for following the Constitution
• Nearly got us into a war with Iran after threatening them by tweet
• Nominated a corrupt head of the EPA, nominated a corrupt head of HHS, nominated a corrupt head of the Interior Department, nominated a corrupt head of the USDA
• Praised dictators and authoritarians around the world while criticizing allies
• Refused to allow the presidential transition to begin
• Insulted war hero John McCain – even after his death
• Spent an obscene amount of time playing golf after criticizing Barack Obama for playing (far less) golf while president
• Falsely claimed that he won the 2016 popular vote
• Called the Muslim mayor of London a “stone cold loser,”
• Falsely claimed that he turned down being Time’s Man of the Year
• Considered firing special counsel Robert Mueller on several occasions
• Mocked wearing face masks to guard against transmitting COVID
• Locked Congress out of its constitutional duty to confirm Cabinet officials by hiring acting ones
• Used a racist dog whistle by calling COVID the “China virus,”
• Hired and associated with numerous shady figures that were eventually convicted of federal offenses including his campaign manager and national security adviser, pardoned several of his shady associates
• Gave the Presidential Medal of Freedom to two congressman who amplified his batshit crazy conspiracy theories
• Got into telephone fight with the leader of Australia
• Had a Secretary of State who called him a moron
• Forced his press secretary to claim without merit that his was the largest inauguration crowd in history
• Botched the COVID vaccine rollout
• Tweeted so much dangerous propaganda that Twitter eventually banned him
• Charged the Secret Service jacked-up rates at his properties
• Constantly interrupted Joe Biden in their first presidential debate
• Claimed that COVID would “magically” disappear
• Called a U.S. Senator “Pocahontas,”
• Used his Twitter account to blast Nordstrom when it stopped selling Ivanka’s merchandise
• Opened up millions of pristine federal lands to development and drilling
• Got into a losing tariff war with China that forced US taxpayers to bail out farmers
• Claimed that his losing tariff war was a win for the US
• Ignored or didn’t even take part in daily intelligence briefings
• Blew off honoring American war dead in France because it was raining
• Redesigned Air Force One to look like the Trump Shuttle
• Got played by Kim Jung Un and his “love letters,”
• Threatened to go after social media companies in clear violation of the Constitution
• Botched the response to Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico, threw paper towels at Puerto Ricans when he finally visited them
• Pressured the governor and secretary of state of Georgia to “find” him votes
• Thought that the Virgin islands had a President
• Drew on a map with a Sharpie to justify his inaccurate tweet that Alabama was threatened by a hurricane
• Allowed White House staff to use personal email accounts for official businesses after blasting Hillary Clinton for doing the same thing
• Rolled back regulations that protected the public from mercury and asbestos
• Pushed regulators to waste time studying snake-oil remedies for COVID
• Rolled back regulations that stopped coal companies from dumping waste into rivers
• Held blatant campaign rallies at the White House
• Tried to take away millions of Americans’ health insurance because the law was nicknamed for a Black man
• Refused to attend his successors’ inauguration
• Nominated the worst Education Secretary in history
• Threatened judges who didn’t do what he wanted
• Attacked Dr. Anthony Fauci
• Promised that Mexico would pay for the wall (it didn’t)
• Allowed political hacks to overrule government scientists on major reports on climate change and other issues
• Struggled navigating a ramp after claiming his opponent was feeble
• Called an African-American Congresswoman “low IQ,”
• Threatened to withhold federal aid from states and cities with Democratic leaders
• Went ahead with rallies filled with maskless supporters in the middle of a pandemic killing Herman Cain
• Claimed that legitimate investigations of his wrongdoing were “witch hunts,”
• Seemed to demonstrate a belief that there were airports during the American Revolution
• Demanded “total loyalty” from the FBI director
• Praised a conspiracy theory that Democrats are Satanic pedophiles
• Completely gutted the Voice of America
• Placed a political hack in charge of the Postal Service
• Claimed without evidence that the Obama administration bugged Trump Tower
• Suggested that the US should allow more people from places like Norway into the country
• Suggested that COVID wasn’t that bad because he recovered with the help of top government doctors and treatments not available to the public
• Overturned energy conservation standards that even industry supported
• Reduced the number of refugees the US accepts
• Insulted various members of Congress and the media with infantile nicknames
• Gave Rush Limbaugh a Presidential medal of Freedom at the State of the Union address
• Named as head of federal personnel a 29-year old who’d previously been fired from the White House for allegations of financial improprieties
• Used soldiers as campaign props
• Fired any advisor who made the mistake of disagreeing with him
• Demanded the Pentagon throw him a Soviet-style military parade
• Hired a shit ton of white nationalists
• Politicized the civil service
• Did absolutely nothing after Russia hacked the U.S. government
• Falsely said the Boy Scouts called him to say his bizarre Jamboree speech was the best speech ever given to the Scouts
• Claimed that Black people would overrun the suburbs if Biden won
• Insulted reporters of color, insulted women reporters, insulted women reporters of color
• Suggested he was fine with China’s oppression of the Uighurs
• Attacked the Supreme Court when it ruled against him
• Summoned Pennsylvania state legislative leaders to the White House to pressure them to overturn the election
• Spent countless hours every day watching Fox News
• Refused to allow his administration to comply with Congressional subpoenas
• Hired Rudy Giuliani as his lawyer
• Tried to punish Amazon because the Jeff Bezos-owned Washington Post wrote negative stories about him
• Acted as if the Attorney General of the United States was his personal attorney
• Attempted to get the federal government to defend him in a libel lawsuit from a women who accused him of sexual assault
• Held private meetings with Vladimir Putin without staff present, didn’t disclose his private meetings with Vladimir Putin so that the US had to find out via Russian media
• Stopped holding press briefings for months at a time
• “Ordered” US companies to leave China even though he has no such power
• Led a political party that couldn’t even be bothered to draft a policy platform
• Claimed preposterously that Article II of the Constitution gave him absolute powers
• Tried to pressure the U.K. to hold the British Open at his golf course
• Suggested that the government nuke hurricanes
• Suggested that wind turbines cause cancer
• Said that he had a special aptitude for science
• Fired the head of election cyber security after he said that the 2020 election was secure
• Blurted out classified information to Russian officials
• Tried to force the G7 to hold their meeting at his failing golf resort in Florida
• Fired the acting attorney general when she refused to go along with his unconstitutional Muslim travel ban
• Hired Stephen Miller
• Openly discussed national security issues in the dining room at Mar-a-Lago where everyone could hear them
• Interfered with plans to relocate the FBI because a new development there might compete with his hotel
• Abandoned Iraqi refugees who’d helped the U.S. during the war
• Tried to get Russia back into the G7
• Held a COVID super spreader event in the Rose Garden
• Seemed to believe that Frederick Douglass is still alive
• Lost 60 election fraud cases in court including before judges he had nominated
• Falsely claimed that factories were reopening when they weren’t
• Shamelessly exploited terror attacks in Europe to justify his anti-immigrant policies
• Still hasn’t come up with a healthcare plan
• Still hasn’t come up with an infrastructure plan despite repeated “Infrastructure Weeks,”
• Forced Secret Service agents to drive him around Walter Reed while contagious with COVID
• Told the Proud Boys to “stand back and stand by,”
• Fucked up the Census
• Withdrew the U.S. from the World Health Organization in the middle of a pandemic
• Did so few of his duties that his press staff were forced to state on his daily schedule “President Trump will work from early in the morning until late in the evening. He will make many calls and have many meetings,”
• Allowed his staff to repeatedly violate the Hatch Act
• Seemed not to know that Abraham Lincoln was a Republican
• Stood before sacred CIA wall of heroes and bragged about his election win
• Constantly claimed he was treated worse than any president which presumably includes four that were assassinated and his predecessor whose legitimacy and birthplace were challenged by a racist reality TV show star named Donald Trump
• Claimed Andrew Jackson could’ve stopped the Civil War even though he died 16 years before it happened
• Said that any opinion poll showing him behind was fake
• Claimed that other countries laughed at us before he became president when several world leaders were literally laughing at him
• Claimed that the military was out of ammunition before he became President
• Created a commission to whitewash American history
• Retweeted anti-Islam videos from one of the most racist people in Britain
• Claimed ludicrously that the Pulse nightclub shooting wouldn’t have happened if someone there had a gun even though there was an armed security guard there
• Hired a senior staffer who cited the non-existent Bowling Green Massacre as a reason to ban Muslims
• Had a press secretary who claimed that Nazi Germany never used chemical weapons even though every sane human being knows they used gas to kill millions of Jews and others,
• Bilked the Secret Service for higher than market rates when they had to stay at Trump properties
• Apparently sold pardons on his way out of the White House
• Stripped protective status from 59,000 Haitians
• Falsely claimed Biden wanted to defund the police
• Said that the head of the CDC didn’t know what he was talking about
• Tried to rescind protection from DREAMers
• Gave himself an A+ for his handling of the pandemic
• Tried to start a boycott of Goodyear tires due to an Internet hoax
• Said U.S. rates of COVID would be lower if you didn’t count blue states
• Deported U.S. veterans who served their country but were undocumented
• Claimed he did more for African Americans than any president since Lincoln
• Touted a “super-duper” secret “hydrosonic” missile which may or may not be a new “hypersonic” missile or may not exist at all
• Retweeted a gif calling Biden a pedophile,
• Forced through security clearances for his family
• Suggested that police officers should rough up suspects
• Suggested that Biden was on performance-enhancing drugs
• Tried to stop transgender students from being able to use school bathrooms in line with their gender
• Suggested the US not accept COVID patients from a cruise ship because it would make US numbers look higher
• Nominated a climate change sceptic to chair the committee advising the White House on environmental policy
• Retweeted a video doctored to look like Biden had played a song called “Fuck tha Police” at a campaign event
• Hugged a disturbingly large number of U.S. flags
• Accused Democrats of “treason” for not applauding his State of the Union address
• Claimed that the FBI failed to capture the Parkland school shooter because they were “spending too much time” on Russia
• Obsessed over low-flow toilets
• Ordered the rerelease of more COVID vaccines when there weren’t any to release
• Called for the construction of a bizarre garden of heroes with statutes of famous dead Americans as well as at least one Canadian (Alex Trebek)
• Hijacked Washington’s July 4th celebrations to give a partisan speech
• Took advice from the MyPillow guy
• Claimed that migrants seeking a better life in the US were dangerous caravans of drug dealers and rapists
• Said nothing when Vladimir Putin poisoned a leading opposition figure
• Never seemed to heed the advice of his wife’s “Be Best” campaign
• Falsely claimed that mail-in voting is fraudulent
• Announced a precipitous withdrawal of troops from Syria which not only handed Russia and ISIS a win but also prompted his defense secretary to resign in protest
• Insulted the leader of Canada, insulted the leader of France, insulted the leader of Britain, insulted the leader of Germany, insulted the leader of Sweden
• Falsely claimed credit for getting NATO members to increase their share of dues
• Blew off two Asia summits even though they were held virtually
• Continued lying about spending lots of time at Ground Zero with 9/11 responders
• Said that the Japanese would sit back and watch their “Sony televisions” if the US were ever attacked
• Left a NATO summit early in a huff, stared directly into an eclipse even though everyone over the age of 5 knows not to do that
• Called himself a very stable genius despite significant evidence to the contrary
• Refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power and kept his promise

…and a whole bunch of other things I can’t remember at the moment. Did I mention he attempted a coup? Come to think of it… I take my apology back. Trump fucked up almost everything he touched.

Would you consider coming to work for me ?

 

[toobfreak]

https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/16/business/moody-us-credit

Funny, our credit was downgraded just two years ago under Biden and 14 years ago under Obumma and you were OK with that, and we recovered from that. Any downgrade now is really a culmination of four years of Biden, not a couple weeks of Trump.

The Irony Of Moody’s Downgrade Of U.S. Credit

Honestly, I don’t know whether to laugh at the fact that this didn’t happen a decade ago or at the fact that they waited until now.

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