Amnesty demands Israel 'immediately' lift Gaza blockade

[Alfalfa]

Fishing outside limits is illegal.

What's sad caroline is that you're SO compromised you actually believe this.

So would anyone who knows about Maritime Law. Obviously you just toddle about thinking laws don't count.

National offshore economic territorial zones/limits are EXCLUSIVE zones, outside them are everybodys zone.

If it is illegal for the palis to fish outside the 3 mile zone (a limit illegally set by israel) then how is it legal for israel to fire on fishing boats outside that zone?

You, like a couple others on this forum, are simply too dumb to debate with.

 

[Alfalfa]

No, I ask for links if I dispute what is said. Thing is people on your side make claims that people think are true because they have been repeated so many times that they 'must' be true. However that is not always the case. I am not here to give you a hard time as I feel you are having a hard enough time as it is. I am here to debate and to dispute claims that are not true.

Israel Extends Zone for Fishing Off Gaza

JERUSALEM — Israel said Tuesday that it would permit Palestinians to fish up to six nautical miles off the Gaza coast, canceling the limit of three nautical miles that was imposed after Gaza militants fired rockets into Israel in March.

Four fishermen have been wounded by Israeli fire since November as they approached newly relaxed security perimeters, and more than 40 have been briefly detained by Israeli naval forces, according to Mr. Ayyash, but all were released the same day. Mr. Ayyash said that the Israelis had confiscated equipment from fishermen who were detained and had rarely returned it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/22/w...l-extends-zone-for-fishing-off-gaza.html?_r=0

So Gaza fires rockets into Israel, and Israel extends Gazan's fishing limits. That makes sense, not.

Seems to me the Gazan fishermen try to push their luck with the extended zone to go beyond it and the Israeli coastguards are trying to push the fishermen back into the zone. I would imagine that goes on the world over with fishing zone limits. Perhaps Israel should get some fish from outside the zone and drop them inside the zone. Problem sorted.

Hey, this is a good system. I think Israel should sell it to the Gazan Authority.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDM-swSM9T0]The Urban Fish Farm of the Future - YouTube[/ame]

Fish farming goes urban thanks to Israeli ingenuity [VIDEO] | ISRAEL21c

That you don't see the obvious nonsense in this post demonstrates how far gone you are.

What right does israel have establishing "fishing limits" on gazans off their own coast?

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

What's sad caroline is that you're SO compromised you actually believe this.

So would anyone who knows about Maritime Law. Obviously you just toddle about thinking laws don't count.

National offshore economic territorial zones/limits are EXCLUSIVE zones, outside them are everybodys zone.

If it is illegal for the palis to fish outside the 3 mile zone (a limit illegally set by israel) then how is it legal for israel to fire on fishing boats outside that zone?

You, like a couple others on this forum, are simply too dumb to debate with.

3 miles, 6 miles, 10 miles, 20 miles. Whatever the limit is, if the fisherman go outside that limit then they are warned to go back inside the limit, and if they don't they are forced to. It really is so simple to understand, even for you.

Israel is fully entitled to impose the blockade according to the laws of two countries at war. That is why they have every right to do so.

 

[Billo_Really]

So Gaza fires rockets into Israel, and Israel extends Gazan's fishing limits. That makes sense, not.

Seems to me the Gazan fishermen try to push their luck with the extended zone to go beyond it and the Israeli coastguards are trying to push the fishermen back into the zone. I would imagine that goes on the world over with fishing zone limits. Perhaps Israel should get some fish from outside the zone and drop them inside the zone. Problem sorted.

Israel has no jurisdiction in international waters and they have no legal right to restrict Gazan fishing industry.

What I find interesting though, is the lack of outrage you have in regards to "shooting people who are fishing". When you think about it, who the **** does that? It is so out of the norm, the reaction of most people would be, "What the ****?"

The fact that you think nothing of it, say's a lot about you.

 

[Billo_Really]

3 miles, 6 miles, 10 miles, 20 miles. Whatever the limit is, if the fisherman go outside that limit then they are warned to go back inside the limit, and if they don't they are forced to. It really is so simple to understand, even for you.

Israel is fully entitled to impose the blockade according to the laws of two countries at war. That is why they have every right to do so.

They are not at war and people fishing are not a threat.

You got something against people eating?

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

3 miles, 6 miles, 10 miles, 20 miles. Whatever the limit is, if the fisherman go outside that limit then they are warned to go back inside the limit, and if they don't they are forced to. It really is so simple to understand, even for you.

Israel is fully entitled to impose the blockade according to the laws of two countries at war. That is why they have every right to do so.

They are not at war and people fishing are not a threat.

You got something against people eating?

Israel and Gaza are not at war? That's news to me. When was the peace treaty signed?

 

[Billo_Really]

Israel and Gaza are not at war? That's news to me. When was the peace treaty signed?

An occupation is not a war.

And a peace treaty was signed............with Egypt!

 

[toastman]

Israel and Gaza are not at war? That's news to me. When was the peace treaty signed?

An occupation is not a war.

And a peace treaty was signed............with Egypt!

and with Jordan...

But no peace treaty was signed with the Palestinian. Of course they are still at war with Israel, what a ridiculous statement.

 

[Billo_Really]

and with Jordan...

But no peace treaty was signed with the Palestinian. Of course they are still at war with Israel, what a ridiculous statement.

There was no war started with the Palestinian's.

 

[Billo_Really]

Here's the truth about the Gaza blockade....

The current siege of Gaza offers the template. After disengagement, Israel has been able to cut off at will Gazans’ access to aid, food, fuel and humanitarian services. Normality has been further eroded by sonic booms, random Israeli air attacks, and repeated small-scale invasions that have inflicted a large toll of casualties, particularly among civilians.

Gaza’s imprisonment has stopped being a metaphor and become a daily reality. In fact, Gaza’s condition is far worse than imprisonment: prisoners, even of war, expect to have their humanity respected, and be properly sheltered, cared for, fed and clothed. Gazans can no longer rely on these staples of life.

The ultimate goal of this extreme form of separation is patently clear: transfer. By depriving Palestinians of the basic conditions of a normal life, it is assumed that they will eventually choose to leave — in what can once again be sold to the world as a voluntary exodus.

And if Palestinians choose to abandon their homeland, then in Zionist thinking they have forfeited their right to it — just as earlier generations of Zionists believed the Palestinian refugees had done by supposedly fleeing during the 1948 and 1967 wars.

That's what's going on with this blockade.

Israel is doing everything they can to make life unbearable to the Gazan population.

Israel should be attacked militarily by every nation on the planet.

Zionists are fucked human beings who don't deserve a country.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Israel is only at peace with Jordan and Egypt. Not with the other countries specifically not with Gaza. Therefore the blockade is legal. How difficult is it for you lot to understand. Israel has to continue the legal blockade to safeguard Israel's interests. Without the blockade it would be in serious trouble. Remember, there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza. The Red Cross say so and Hamas says so. Nobody is starving and they get what they need plus more.

 

[Hollie]

Israel and Gaza are not at war? That's news to me. When was the peace treaty signed?

An occupation is not a war.

And a peace treaty was signed............with Egypt!

Continued attacks by hostile entities, some of whom have pledged an oath to kill you, can define that entity as being at war with you.

What do you think would happen if Israel didn't take such extraordinary measures to suppress the Islamic terrorist threat from Gaza, Syria and the territories occupied by "Palestinian" Arab squatters?

 

[Billo_Really]

Israel is only at peace with Jordan and Egypt. Not with the other countries specifically not with Gaza. Therefore the blockade is legal. How difficult is it for you lot to understand. Israel has to continue the legal blockade to safeguard Israel's interests. Without the blockade it would be in serious trouble. Remember, there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza. The Red Cross say so and Hamas says so. Nobody is starving and they get what they need plus more.

Funny how you can't provide any evidence to back up your bullshit claims?

I, on the other hand, don't have that problem, because I, can back up what I say...

For the last month, all of Gaza’s 1.7 million residents have been living without power for most of the time and in the shadow of a public health catastrophe, after their sole power plant was forced to shut down, causing the failure of several sewerage and water plants.

“This latest harsh setback has exacerbated the assault on the dignity of Palestinians in Gaza and the massive denial of rights they have experienced for more than six years because of Israel’s blockade, together with restrictions imposed by Egypt,” said Philip Luther, Middle East and North Africa Director at Amnesty International.

“The blockade has collectively punished Gaza’s population in violation of international law. The power plant shutdown has further affected all aspects of daily life, and the Israeli authorities must lift the blockade immediately, starting by allowing urgently needed fuel supplies into the Strip and working with all relevant parties to avert a prolonged humanitarian crisis this winter.”

Why don't you explain how the blockade is "not" collective punishment?

Furthermore...

GAZA: Devastating Impacts of Israeli Blockade

As Israel’s blockade on Gaza enters its sixth year, warnings about the increasingly dire conditions in Gaza grow louder.

Reports by international agencies on the impact of five years of siege paint a grim picture showing how Israel’s blockade is not just a policy of collective punishment imposed after the elected Hamas government began its rule, but also a policy of de-developing Gaza.

Israel’s siege impacts every aspect of life in Gaza. An entire generation of children suffer from malnutrition-related deficiencies such as stunted growth and anemia — in addition to the psychological trauma incurred as a result of Israel’s military attacks on the Gaza Strip.

University-age young people are severely limited in their higher education options, further contributing to the de-development of Gaza’s economy.

The siege on Gaza will have an impact for years to come. History will not judge kindly the role played by the self-declared “international community” in aiding and abetting Israel’s cruel policy of managed humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

Anyone supporting this bullshit is just pure evil.

Save the Children and Medical Aid for Palestinians released a report this week on the impact of the blockade on the health of children in Gaza. “Gaza’s only fresh water source is now too dangerous to drink and is contaminated with fertiliser and human waste,” the agencies warn, noting that Gaza is one of the most densely populated ares in the world, with more than 4,500 people per square kilometer).

A press release accompanying the report adds:

Since the blockade started, the number of children under three being treated for watery diarrhoea has doubled. High levels of nitrate – found in faeces and fertiliser – is also linked to some cancers and is a massive risk to pregnant women.

Gaza’s sewage system is also completely broken, much of it destroyed during Operation Cast Lead and treatment plants are overloaded or lack fuel. Open cesspits sit right next to family homes and in just the first two months of this year, three children drowned in open sewers.​

BTW, it is a war crime to target civilian infrastructure.

**** every one of you assholes who defend this blockade.

You're nothing but skumbag pieces of shit!

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Israel is only at peace with Jordan and Egypt. Not with the other countries specifically not with Gaza. Therefore the blockade is legal. How difficult is it for you lot to understand. Israel has to continue the legal blockade to safeguard Israel's interests. Without the blockade it would be in serious trouble. Remember, there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza. The Red Cross say so and Hamas says so. Nobody is starving and they get what they need plus more.

Funny how you can't provide any evidence to back up your bullshit claims?

I, on the other hand, don't have that problem, because I, can back up what I say...

For the last month, all of Gaza’s 1.7 million residents have been living without power for most of the time and in the shadow of a public health catastrophe, after their sole power plant was forced to shut down, causing the failure of several sewerage and water plants.

“This latest harsh setback has exacerbated the assault on the dignity of Palestinians in Gaza and the massive denial of rights they have experienced for more than six years because of Israel’s blockade, together with restrictions imposed by Egypt,” said Philip Luther, Middle East and North Africa Director at Amnesty International.

“The blockade has collectively punished Gaza’s population in violation of international law. The power plant shutdown has further affected all aspects of daily life, and the Israeli authorities must lift the blockade immediately, starting by allowing urgently needed fuel supplies into the Strip and working with all relevant parties to avert a prolonged humanitarian crisis this winter.”

Why don't you explain how the blockade is "not" collective punishment?

Furthermore...

GAZA: Devastating Impacts of Israeli Blockade

As Israel’s blockade on Gaza enters its sixth year, warnings about the increasingly dire conditions in Gaza grow louder.

Reports by international agencies on the impact of five years of siege paint a grim picture showing how Israel’s blockade is not just a policy of collective punishment imposed after the elected Hamas government began its rule, but also a policy of de-developing Gaza.

Israel’s siege impacts every aspect of life in Gaza. An entire generation of children suffer from malnutrition-related deficiencies such as stunted growth and anemia — in addition to the psychological trauma incurred as a result of Israel’s military attacks on the Gaza Strip.

University-age young people are severely limited in their higher education options, further contributing to the de-development of Gaza’s economy.

The siege on Gaza will have an impact for years to come. History will not judge kindly the role played by the self-declared “international community” in aiding and abetting Israel’s cruel policy of managed humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

Anyone supporting this bullshit is just pure evil.

Save the Children and Medical Aid for Palestinians released a report this week on the impact of the blockade on the health of children in Gaza. “Gaza’s only fresh water source is now too dangerous to drink and is contaminated with fertiliser and human waste,” the agencies warn, noting that Gaza is one of the most densely populated ares in the world, with more than 4,500 people per square kilometer).

A press release accompanying the report adds:

Since the blockade started, the number of children under three being treated for watery diarrhoea has doubled. High levels of nitrate – found in faeces and fertiliser – is also linked to some cancers and is a massive risk to pregnant women.

Gaza’s sewage system is also completely broken, much of it destroyed during Operation Cast Lead and treatment plants are overloaded or lack fuel. Open cesspits sit right next to family homes and in just the first two months of this year, three children drowned in open sewers.​

BTW, it is a war crime to target civilian infrastructure.

**** every one of you assholes who defend this blockade.

You're nothing but skumbag pieces of shit!

Straight out of Electronic Intifada and Shamnesty International.

The blockade on Gaza is legal.
In the September 2011 Palmer Report, the UN investigative committee for the 2010 Flotilla to Gaza said that the Israel's naval blockade of Gaza is legal under international law.

Gaza's universities are doing fine. I think you lot read the wrong blogs.

The condition of water in Gaza has nothing to do with Israel. If Gaza cannot spend its aid on essential facilities and prefers to spend it on weapons that is not Israel's concern. Israel evacuated the Jews from Gaza in 2005 and Gaza has had plenty of opportunities to make the area thrive but instead prefers its people to live and die in squalor. Shame on Hamas to do that to its people.

 

[Hollie]

Israel is only at peace with Jordan and Egypt. Not with the other countries specifically not with Gaza. Therefore the blockade is legal. How difficult is it for you lot to understand. Israel has to continue the legal blockade to safeguard Israel's interests. Without the blockade it would be in serious trouble. Remember, there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza. The Red Cross say so and Hamas says so. Nobody is starving and they get what they need plus more.

Funny how you can't provide any evidence to back up your bullshit claims?

I, on the other hand, don't have that problem, because I, can back up what I say...

For the last month, all of Gaza’s 1.7 million residents have been living without power for most of the time and in the shadow of a public health catastrophe, after their sole power plant was forced to shut down, causing the failure of several sewerage and water plants.

“This latest harsh setback has exacerbated the assault on the dignity of Palestinians in Gaza and the massive denial of rights they have experienced for more than six years because of Israel’s blockade, together with restrictions imposed by Egypt,” said Philip Luther, Middle East and North Africa Director at Amnesty International.

“The blockade has collectively punished Gaza’s population in violation of international law. The power plant shutdown has further affected all aspects of daily life, and the Israeli authorities must lift the blockade immediately, starting by allowing urgently needed fuel supplies into the Strip and working with all relevant parties to avert a prolonged humanitarian crisis this winter.”

Why don't you explain how the blockade is "not" collective punishment?

Furthermore...

GAZA: Devastating Impacts of Israeli Blockade

As Israel’s blockade on Gaza enters its sixth year, warnings about the increasingly dire conditions in Gaza grow louder.

Reports by international agencies on the impact of five years of siege paint a grim picture showing how Israel’s blockade is not just a policy of collective punishment imposed after the elected Hamas government began its rule, but also a policy of de-developing Gaza.

Israel’s siege impacts every aspect of life in Gaza. An entire generation of children suffer from malnutrition-related deficiencies such as stunted growth and anemia — in addition to the psychological trauma incurred as a result of Israel’s military attacks on the Gaza Strip.

University-age young people are severely limited in their higher education options, further contributing to the de-development of Gaza’s economy.

The siege on Gaza will have an impact for years to come. History will not judge kindly the role played by the self-declared “international community” in aiding and abetting Israel’s cruel policy of managed humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

Anyone supporting this bullshit is just pure evil.

Save the Children and Medical Aid for Palestinians released a report this week on the impact of the blockade on the health of children in Gaza. “Gaza’s only fresh water source is now too dangerous to drink and is contaminated with fertiliser and human waste,” the agencies warn, noting that Gaza is one of the most densely populated ares in the world, with more than 4,500 people per square kilometer).

A press release accompanying the report adds:

Since the blockade started, the number of children under three being treated for watery diarrhoea has doubled. High levels of nitrate – found in faeces and fertiliser – is also linked to some cancers and is a massive risk to pregnant women.

Gaza’s sewage system is also completely broken, much of it destroyed during Operation Cast Lead and treatment plants are overloaded or lack fuel. Open cesspits sit right next to family homes and in just the first two months of this year, three children drowned in open sewers.​

BTW, it is a war crime to target civilian infrastructure.

**** every one of you assholes who defend this blockade.

You're nothing but skumbag pieces of shit!

Sorry, billy-boy but I can only give you a 5.5 for your silly melodrama, contrived "outrage" and phony indignation.

A firm hand and steady resolve is how you deal with Islamic terrorists who are sworn to kill you.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Yes, Israel knows what it is up against and more power to their elbow in defending themselves against their aggressive neighbors.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

"demands"

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

"demands"

Shamesty International can kacken zee ahf deh levanah.

 

[Alfalfa]

"demands"

Shamesty International can kacken zee ahf deh levanah.

I'm not surprised israelis and zionists would be profanely critical of a respected international organization who...

Amnesty International is a global movement of more than 3 million supporters, members and activists in over 150 countries and territories who campaign to end grave abuses of human rights. Our vision is for every person to enjoy all the rights enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and other international human rights standards.

Kind of hits home for you, huh?

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

"demands"

Shamesty International can kacken zee ahf deh levanah.

I'm not surprised israelis and zionists would be profanely critical of a respected international organization who...

Amnesty International is a global movement of more than 3 million supporters, members and activists in over 150 countries and territories who campaign to end grave abuses of human rights. Our vision is for every person to enjoy all the rights enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and other international human rights standards.

Kind of hits home for you, huh?

Read and weep, or not in your case.


Israel[edit]

Elliott Abrams, writing about the November 2012 Israeli military response in Gaza, says that AI treats "Hamas and other terrorist groups" "with an 'evenhandedness' that bespeaks deep biases," citing NGO Monitor's detailed research.[23]

The Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs criticised the May 2012 report on administrative detention saying it was "one sided,” and “not particularly serious,” and "that it seemed little more than a public relations gimmick.” Gerald Steinberg, of NGO Monitor, said that the report was tied to the recent Palestinian hunger strikes and that AI “jumped on the bandwagon to help their Palestinian allies.”[24] Steinberg also pointed out that one of the researchers, Deborah Hyams was not a neutral party, saying that “Hyams has volunteered as a ‘human shield’ in Beit Jala (near Bethlehem) to deter Israeli military responses to gunfire and mortars targeting Jewish civilians in Jerusalem,” and that “in 2008 she signed a letter claiming Israel is 'a state founded on terrorism, massacres and the dispossession of another people from their land.'[25] The Israeli embassy in London called AI “ridiculous”. AI admitted that this report “is not intended to address violations of detainees’ rights by the Palestinian Authority, or the Hamas de facto administration. These violations have been and will continue to be addressed separately by the organisation”.[26]

In May 2012, NGO Monitor criticized AI's 2012 World Report in a few areas:

AI criticized Israel's blockade on Gaza without mentioning that the blockade was in place "to stop the smuggling of weapons and rockets used to target Israeli citizens." NGO Monitor continued and said that "UN Secretary General’s Palmer Committee declared in September 2011 that the blockade is legal under international law."
AI "failed to mention the thousands of tons of goods provided by Israel to Gaza each week."
NGO Monitor also pointed out that AI's report "mentions Israel 137 times, while making only 74 mentions of the Syrian regime," during a year in which thousands of people have been killed by the Syrian government.[27]
AI allowed a speaking event to take place in London in May 2011, organized by the magazine Middle East Monitor Online (MEMO) and the Palestine Solidarity Campaign. Much controversy surrounded this event since one of the speakers included Abdel Bari Atwan, editor of the London-based al-Quds al-Arabi newspaper. In the past, Atwan has said that "he would “dance with delight” in Trafalgar Square if Iran attacked Israel, "and that the terrorist attack on the Mercaz HaRav yeshiva, in which eight students were killed, “was justified” as it was responsible for “hatching Israeli extremists and fundamentalists.” Amnesty responded by saying that "while we did have concerns about the way the event had originally been organized, these have been resolved."[28]

AI also allowed a speaking event to take place in January 2012, which included a speaker who is viewed as anti-Israel. UK’s Zionist Federation said that the speaker "goes beyond the bounds of acceptable behavior" and asked that the event either not take place or that a pro-Israel speaker be allowed to attend as well. In addition, NGO Monitor's Gerald Steinberg said that the speaker's "intense hatred directed at Israel, which is the embodiment of Jewish sovereign equality in the world, is entirely inconsistent with the universal values that Amnesty claims to promote. If Amnesty seeks to restore its tarnished moral credentials, it must end this cooperation, and join in denouncing White’s anti-Israel campaigns."[29]

Some people have criticized AI of promoting an unbalanced and excessive focus on Israel. The American Jewish Congress asserts that AI's criticism of Israel distorts the law of war by "read[ing] the law of war as if it was a law banning war", and misinterprets the Geneva Conventions with regard to the issue of proportionality in war.[30] Yael Beck and Merav Fima of NGO Monitor, a Pro-Israel NGO, claim the AI has an "obsession with Israel" and "persistently condemns Israel while ignoring suffering elsewhere".[31]

Alan Dershowitz, professor of law at Harvard University, in his book The Case for Israel, is very critical of AI and their comparison of Israel to nations such as Sudan and other offenders of human rights. Amnesty International has consistently called on Israel to bring any officer suspected of human rights violations to justice and to remove its settlements in the West Bank. It has also opposed "discrimination" against Arab citizens of Israel, and claims that the Law of Return and Entry into Israel Law are discriminatory, as they grant automatic citizenship to Jews worldwide, while denying Palestinian refugees the right of return. It has also opposed the blockade of the Gaza Strip, calling it "collective punishment".[citation needed]

In 2010 Frank Johansson, the chairman of Amnesty International-Finland called Israel a "nilkkimaa," a derogatory term variously translated as "scum state", "creep state" or "punk state."[32][33] Johansson stood by his statement, saying that they were based on Israel's "repeated flouting of international law", and his own personal experiences with Israelis. When asked by a journalist if any other country on earth that could be described in these terms, he said that he could not think of any, although some individual “Russian officials” could be so described.[33] According to Israeli professor Gerald M. Steinberg of NGO Monitor “Amnesty International has promoted an intense anti-Israel ideology, resulting in statements like these."[33]

In November 2012, Amnesty UK began a disciplinary process against staffer Kristyan Benedict, Amnesty UK campaigns manager, because of a posting on his Twitter account, said to be anti-semitic, regarding three Jewish members of parliament and the Israeli military operation in Gaza where he wrote “Louise Ellman, Robert Halfon and Luciana Berger walk into a bar…each orders a round of B52s … #Gaza”. Amnesty International UK said “the matter has been referred to our internal and confidential processes.” Amnesty’s campaigns director Tim Hancock said, “We do not believe that humour is appropriate in the current circumstances, particularly from our own members of staff.” An Amnesty International UK spokesperson later said the charity had decided that “the tweet in question was ill-advised and had the potential to be offensive and inflammatory but was not racist or antisemitic". [34][35][36]

Criticism of Amnesty International - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia