Americans Quit Their Jobs at Record Pace for 2nd Month

[Ray From Cleveland]

They can override the veto.


They have been using old laws to abuse the system to create CFRs by the Federal Gov't agencies. Creating laws outside Congress by proxy. Even E.Os implemented by orgs such as OSHA

The President controls the bureaucracies, not Congress. Bureaucracies are used to create bad laws against the will of the people by the President.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That’s why we need a big sweep in 2022. Granted, it will be impossible to get the 2/3rds needed to override the Destroyer-in-Chief’s veto, but maybe…..maybe….if we give the Dems enough of a shellacking, they‘ll become less destructive toward America, knowing that if they keep pushing through with socialism, they’ll be voted out.

So it seems they're not very concerned about it. They know they're in big trouble in 22 and you would think they would back off a bit to try and soften the blow. But now Dementia is talking about closing a Canadian pipeline to Michigan which will send our gasoline prices over $4.00 a gallon and even more in commie states.

 

[eagle1462010]

Bureaucracies are used to create bad laws against the will of the people by the President.

Which was my point. Without so much as a reach around from Congress. It is now known as the 10,000 commandments. This is why the Gov't needs to be spayed and neutered. CFRs out the ying and yang.

Ending the Debt Ceiling. Massive shrinking of the Federal Govt. Ending the Debt Ceiling and return the powers to the states as intended in the Constitution.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Which was my point. Without so much as a reach around from Congress. It is now known as the 10,000 commandments. This is why the Gov't needs to be spayed and neutered. CFRs out the ying and yang.

Ending the Debt Ceiling. Massive shrinking of the Federal Govt. Ending the Debt Ceiling and return the powers to the states as intended in the Constitution.

That can't happen for another three years at minimum. Dementia wants to hire an additional 83,000 new IRS agents to spy on any transaction we make over $600.00.

We've allowed this to go on too long, and I'm disappointed that President Trump didn't address this agency problem. It's unconstitutional as our founders wanted all laws, taxes and fines passed by the Congress--not bureaucracies. It's bureaucracies that put me out of work two years ago with their new regulations as a truck driver.

In spite of our shortage of drivers, now those same bureaucracies are going to make it harder for people that may be interested in the transportation field. Currently you may find a company to give you free training in exchange for working for them for about a year. No more. Starting in February, you will have to go to a government school in order to get your commercial drivers license. They will give you a choice of several to choose from, which of course you will have to pay for.

Now if politicians did this, they would be hung out to dry because we need to make it easier for people to drive for a living than harder. But bureaucracies? They could care less.

 

[Lisa558]

That's why I said have an apartment by yourself.

No, you said people working service jobs would be hard pressed to have an apartment by themselves and would be living with their parents. You made it sound as if service workers had only two options: struggle to pay for their own apartment, or move back in with Mom and Dad. I’m just pointing out that service jobs still enable people to be self-supporting, albeit with a roommate.

I’m not sure what your underlying message was, but I’ve heard from lots of people who believe that if a person has a job, they should be able to pay for their own apartment. My message is that some jobs are so low in skill requirements that the associated pay level requires a roommate.

 

[eagle1462010]

That can't happen for another three years at minimum. Dementia wants to hire an additional 83,000 new IRS agents to spy on any transaction we make over $600.00.

We've allowed this to go on too long, and I'm disappointed that President Trump didn't address this agency problem. It's unconstitutional as our founders wanted all laws, taxes and fines passed by the Congress--not bureaucracies. It's bureaucracies that put me out of work two years ago with their new regulations as a truck driver.

In spite of our shortage of drivers, now those same bureaucracies are going to make it harder for people that may be interested in the transportation field. Currently you may find a company to give you free training in exchange for working for them for about a year. No more. Starting in February, you will have to go to a government school in order to get your commercial drivers license. They will give you a choice of several to choose from, which of course you will have to pay for.

Now if politicians did this, they would be hung out to dry because we need to make it easier for people to drive for a living than harder. But bureaucracies? They could care less.

Well. We have to get into the mud and fight back. Same as they do and just as dirty. If not. This country is screwed. Only way is to get folks to move and ensure Red States like Texas and Florida Stay Red. And do what Texas is doing now. They are building their own wall and going after illegals themselves.

States have the right to create laws an protect it's State. Texas is doing that right now.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No, you said people working service jobs would be hard pressed to have an apartment by themselves and would be living with their parents. You made it sound as if service workers had only two options: struggle to pay for their own apartment, or move back in with Mom and Dad. I’m just pointing out that service jobs still enable people to be self-supporting, albeit with a roommate.

Which we basically said the same thing. I worked minimum wage jobs when I was much younger. Things back then are no different than today. I didn't move from home until I was 20 when I finally found a job that paid much better than minimum because there was no possible way for me to have my own apartment making minimum. Even then the only reason I was able to move is because it was a six day a week job and I got plenty of overtime, and my first apartment was a real dive. One bedroom a kitchen and small living room. Much of my diet was home made hamburgers, spaghetti, meat loaf or anything that was cheap enough to eat.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Well. We have to get into the mud and fight back. Same as they do and just as dirty. If not. This country is screwed. Only way is to get folks to move and ensure Red States like Texas and Florida Stay Red. And do what Texas is doing now. They are building their own wall and going after illegals themselves.

States have the right to create laws an protect it's State. Texas is doing that right now.

To some degree. The USSC already ruled that immigration is a federal issue and not a state one. This ruling came when Arizona also made their own immigration rules and DumBama sued them to stop. He won, the state lost.

 

[eagle1462010]

To some degree. The USSC already ruled that immigration is a federal issue and not a state one. This ruling came when Arizona also made their own immigration rules and DumBama sued them to stop. He won, the state lost.

Which part of get in the mud and fight like the left does didn't you understand? They ignore the laws and DECLARE SANCTUARY .....Not enforcing the laws..........Nor holding accountable those don't enforce them after swearing an oath.

Time for states to take matter in their own hands and deal with it. Even if the 9th says we said no. like normal.

We are close in this nation to going at it and you know it.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Which part of get in the mud and fight like the left does didn't you understand? They ignore the laws and DECLARE SANCTUARY .....Not enforcing the laws..........Nor holding accountable those don't enforce them after swearing an oath.

Time for states to take matter in their own hands and deal with it. Even if the 9th says we said no. like normal.

We are close in this nation to going at it and you know it.

The USSC is the law of the land whether you agree with their decisions or not. If we don't want to abide by their ruling then we lost the title of the US being a nation of laws. It's like Biden making all guns illegal next week and nobody can do anything about it even if the USSC rules we have a right to guns. I simply won't obey the ruling.

 

[Lisa558]

Which we basically said the same thing. I worked minimum wage jobs when I was much younger. Things back then are no different than today. I didn't move from home until I was 20 when I finally found a job that paid much better than minimum because there was no possible way for me to have my own apartment making minimum. Even then the only reason I was able to move is because it was a six day a week job and I got plenty of overtime, and my first apartment was a real dive. One bedroom a kitchen and small living room. Much of my diet was home made hamburgers, spaghetti, meat loaf or anything that was cheap enough to eat.

We’re not saying the same thing, actually. You are saying that you didn’t move out from your parents (in your early years) because there was no way you could afford you own apartment on your low wages. I get it.

Bit what I‘m saying is that one CAN move out from their parents on low wages but they will need to share. Every single member of my family moved out while earning low wages, but we each rented a room in a house or shared an apartment.

I just think we need to get away from the idea that people earning “service-job wages” should be able to afford their own apartment, because otherwise they have to live with their parents. And that’s because i keep hearing (from liberals) that the fact that people on low wages can’t afford to rent their own place means wages should go up. Renting your own place is something one aspires to, as their earnings and market value increase, but until and unless that happens, nothing horrible about sharing.

 

[eagle1462010]

The USSC is the law of the land whether you agree with their decisions or not. If we don't want to abide by their ruling then we lost the title of the US being a nation of laws. It's like Biden making all guns illegal next week and nobody can do anything about it even if the USSC rules we have a right to guns. I simply won't obey the ruling.

They aren't playing by the rules. They own the DOJ, IRS, NSA, FBI, CIA...and on and on. They own a bunch of courts. It's like the movie Walking tall at this point.

If it doesn't end ........option b is the only choice left and you know it. Right now Texas has had enough and they are building a wall and hiring folks to enforce what the Feds will not do.

They are tired of it and have flipped the bird at the Fed. States rights to protect their people when the Feds WILL NOT DO THEIR JOB is NOT A VIOLATION OF THE CONSTITUTION.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We’re not saying the same thing, actually. You are saying that you didn’t move out from your parents (in your early years) because there was no way you could afford you own apartment on your low wages. I get it.

Bit what I‘m saying is that one CAN move out from their parents on low wages but they will need to share. Every single member of my family moved out while earning low wages, but we each rented a room in a house or shared an apartment.

I just think we need to get away from the idea that people earning “service-job wages” should be able to afford their own apartment, because otherwise they have to live with their parents. And that’s because i keep hearing (from liberals) that the fact that people on low wages can’t afford to rent their own place means wages should go up. Renting your own place is something one aspires to, as their earnings and market value increase, but until and unless that happens, nothing horrible about sharing.

I don't disagree with any of that. Fortunately I never was in that position but a few times let a girl and her kids move in with me, but not for financial reasons. My original statement was that a person cannot have their own apartment or house working lower wage jobs is all. Yes, I know that you can get roommates, but the point I was making was you can't do that on your own. Having your own place is much more desirable than sharing a space.

 

[Lisa558]

I don't disagree with any of that. Fortunately I never was in that position but a few times let a girl and her kids move in with me, but not for financial reasons. My original statement was that a person cannot have their own apartment or house working lower wage jobs is all. Yes, I know that you can get roommates, but the point I was making was you can't do that on your own. Having your own place is much more desirable than sharing a space.

Yes, I agree with all that, and of course it’s much more desirable to have your own place than having to share. But, and I might be repeating myself, we need to move away from the idea that anyone working a job is “entitled” to get paid enough for his own apartment. I hear that argument made as “proof” that M.W. needs to be increased.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yes, I agree with all that, and of course it’s much more desirable to have your own place than having to share. But, and I might be repeating myself, we need to move away from the idea that anyone working a job is “entitled” to get paid enough for his own apartment. I hear that argument made as “proof” that M.W. needs to be increased.

You are preaching to the choir. I hear this living wage argument all the time. The left acts like we actually had a living wage years ago. I point out to them there has never been any such thing as a living wage. It's an entirely new leftist concept. I joined the workforce in the later 70's and there was no living wage, and there is no living wage today. Minimum wage has never been a living wage as long as I've been alive.

Yes, there were monkey jobs that did pay a living wage, but nothing mandated by government. You just lucked out getting jobs like those. Those days are long gone and to acquire a living wage, you have to possess the training or skills to make a living wage today.

Take my former career for instance which is truck driving. Once you've done it for a year or so you can get some pretty good paying jobs. Depending on what you want to do, some jobs pay six figures. Now, it doesn't take a lot of training too learn how to drive a tractor-trailer, it's mostly experience. There is no excuse today why any of these people who cry they don't make enough can't do the same thing I did. It's not going to come knocking at your door. You have to be aggressive to go out and get it.

 

[Lisa558]

You are preaching to the choir. I hear this living wage argument all the time. The left acts like we actually had a living wage years ago. I point out to them there has never been any such thing as a living wage. It's an entirely new leftist concept. I joined the workforce in the later 70's and there was no living wage, and there is no living wage today. Minimum wage has never been a living wage as long as I've been alive.

Yes, there were monkey jobs that did pay a living wage, but nothing mandated by government. You just lucked out getting jobs like those. Those days are long gone and to acquire a living wage, you have to possess the training or skills to make a living wage today.

Take my former career for instance which is truck driving. Once you've done it for a year or so you can get some pretty good paying jobs. Depending on what you want to do, some jobs pay six figures. Now, it doesn't take a lot of training too learn how to drive a tractor-trailer, it's mostly experience. There is no excuse today why any of these people who cry they don't make enough can't do the same thing I did. It's not going to come knocking at your door. You have to be aggressive to go out and get it.

Ah, yes….I see I am preaching to the choir. We are about the same age, and my first “real” job was after college in 1981. No way could I get my own apartment on my starting wages, nor did I expect to. Had to share. In fact, one of my friends was sharing at 2-bedroom apartment with three other girls. I considered myself doing quite well for having a bedroom of my own!

That has all changed with today’s entitlement mentality, coming from the left. Why should a 19-year-old with no real job skills, either stocking shelves at Target or ringing up purchases (you don’t even need to do THAT anymore; you just scan things) get to rent his own apartment? In fact, it’s GOOD that unskilled jobs don’t pay enough to rent a $1600 a month in the city: it incentivizes those with low skills to acquire better skills (if they want their own apartment).

And finally, you’re right in that minimum wage was never intended to be a living wage. Only about 2% of people earn that little. The vast majority of people move beyond that very quickly.

 

[Winston]

I think I understand now. But the point is if all you could make was 2000 in the first place, WTF are you doing having children you can't afford?

Having children is not catching covid. It's not like you're at a mall somewhere and all of a sudden you feel strange. I never had children and planned it that way. I didn't want to deal with the expense and responsibilities that go along with it. If you want children I think that's great, but don't have them and then look for government to provide for them.

Well, I took the opposite approach. I grew up pretty well off. Well, not when I was young. But by the time I was in my teens Pops was making some pretty good money. We lived in the "rich" development. But Pops was working all the time. I missed the time that I had with him when we weren't so well off, and I was pretty vocal about it as a kid. I made a commitment that I would never put money if front of my kids.

So, I was married twice and had three kids with each wife. Yeah, I lived in poverty most of that time. I took full advantage of every government program, from food stamps to Pell grants. Oh, I worked, sometimes multiple jobs. But I pretty much maxed out the EITC every year. And I never missed a ball game, a parent teacher conference, or even a skinned knee. And my wives, they all stayed at home with the kids.

So, six kids. Granted, one of them is disabled, that is another story. But the oldest, a doctor, physical therapist. Next, a realtor, knocking down sis figures. The third, disabled, like I said, and special circumstances there. That was the three daughters with my first wife. Second wife, three sons. Oldest, now a Phd candidate in Mechanical Engineering. Six figure income, half million dollars net worth at 25. Middle son, six figure income in sales, college graduate. Third son, will graduate with a degree in Philosophy, currently working at UPS, slated to enter the Marine corps as an officer in the summer. Looking to enter the JAG program.

Here is the thing, four of my six children pay more in federal income taxes every year that I ever got in assistance. In the next year, it is going to be five of six. I believe I invested the government's money and it is paying off big time. And me, well lets just say Christmas is my favorite time of year. Those kids all give credit to "Pops", who was always there, always pushing them, and to this day, is a mere phone call away from listening to their problems, helping them work through them, and supporting them. I am not saying every parent is like me, but what I am saying is that the government programs used as assistance can certainly pay dividends under the right circumstances.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Well, I took the opposite approach. I grew up pretty well off. Well, not when I was young. But by the time I was in my teens Pops was making some pretty good money. We lived in the "rich" development. But Pops was working all the time. I missed the time that I had with him when we weren't so well off, and I was pretty vocal about it as a kid. I made a commitment that I would never put money if front of my kids.

So, I was married twice and had three kids with each wife. Yeah, I lived in poverty most of that time. I took full advantage of every government program, from food stamps to Pell grants. Oh, I worked, sometimes multiple jobs. But I pretty much maxed out the EITC every year. And I never missed a ball game, a parent teacher conference, or even a skinned knee. And my wives, they all stayed at home with the kids.

So, six kids. Granted, one of them is disabled, that is another story. But the oldest, a doctor, physical therapist. Next, a realtor, knocking down sis figures. The third, disabled, like I said, and special circumstances there. That was the three daughters with my first wife. Second wife, three sons. Oldest, now a Phd candidate in Mechanical Engineering. Six figure income, half million dollars net worth at 25. Middle son, six figure income in sales, college graduate. Third son, will graduate with a degree in Philosophy, currently working at UPS, slated to enter the Marine corps as an officer in the summer. Looking to enter the JAG program.

Here is the thing, four of my six children pay more in federal income taxes every year that I ever got in assistance. In the next year, it is going to be five of six. I believe I invested the government's money and it is paying off big time. And me, well lets just say Christmas is my favorite time of year. Those kids all give credit to "Pops", who was always there, always pushing them, and to this day, is a mere phone call away from listening to their problems, helping them work through them, and supporting them. I am not saying every parent is like me, but what I am saying is that the government programs used as assistance can certainly pay dividends under the right circumstances.

And what would you be saying if the kids stayed poor as most do? You are presenting an anomaly instead of the norm. In most cases the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, and I really question your story if you were so utterly irresponsible as to have kids you couldn't afford. That red light over my head goes on.

And yes, I see it all the time. My genius neighbor has rental property next to mine. As a dumb foreigner, he rented to HUD people. The cops have been out here over 10 times in the past four years. I haven't had the cops out to my apartments about a tenant more than twice in the near 30 years I owned it. He said they totally destroyed the inside and had to spend thousands for repairs. Why is our government funding housing in the suburbs in the first place?

And I see them at the grocery store with their SNAP's card all the time. They pay for their food items with the card, and then whip out a wad of cash for those huge bags of dog food, cat litter, alcohol and greeting cards. Most of them always have their three or four kids with them. After checkout they go to the head cashier line to buy lottery tickets and cigarettes. They are spending money to feed their house full of animals and we are paying to feed their kids.

 

[Winston]

And what would you be saying if the kids stayed poor as most do? You are presenting an anomaly instead of the norm. In most cases the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, and I really question your story if you were so utterly irresponsible as to have kids you couldn't afford. That red light over my head goes on.

And yes, I see it all the time. My genius neighbor has rental property next to mine. As a dumb foreigner, he rented to HUD people. The cops have been out here over 10 times in the past four years. I haven't had the cops out to my apartments about a tenant more than twice in the near 30 years I owned it. He said they totally destroyed the inside and had to spend thousands for repairs. Why is our government funding housing in the suburbs in the first place?

And I see them at the grocery store with their SNAP's card all the time. They pay for their food items with the card, and then whip out a wad of cash for those huge bags of dog food, cat litter, alcohol and greeting cards. Most of them always have their three or four kids with them. After checkout they go to the head cashier line to buy lottery tickets and cigarettes. They are spending money to feed their house full of animals and we are paying to feed their kids.

I see the same thing you see at the grocery store. But I also see more. Yes, the scenario you described plays out in the checkout line all too frequently. But, there are some responsible people getting SNAP, you just don't see them. The problem is not in the benefit itself, the problem is a lack of education. People getting government assistance don't need to be forced to work a job, they need to be given skills, in money management, in parenting. And then, perhaps taught a marketable skill. Thing is, when you first become eligible for SNAP they send you to a class before your card is activated, a class on how to use the damn card. Why not give them a class on money management and parenting skills?

Those people you see in the checkout line, some single moms, or dads, but mostly two income households that just don't make enough money. The ones you don't see, they are the ones like I raised my kids, using government assistance to provide for a full-time mother at home. Yes, my kids got some kickass genes. But most of the credit for their success comes from that stay at home Mom, who shopped like a pro, maximized both my income and the government assistance, and was always there for them, from help with homework to cheering them on at their ballgames. Living in the right school district helped immensely. I found a way to live in one of the wealthiest districts in the area. Location, location, location. And that answers your question as to why the government is funding housing in the suburbs.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I see the same thing you see at the grocery store. But I also see more. Yes, the scenario you described plays out in the checkout line all too frequently. But, there are some responsible people getting SNAP, you just don't see them. The problem is not in the benefit itself, the problem is a lack of education. People getting government assistance don't need to be forced to work a job, they need to be given skills, in money management, in parenting. And then, perhaps taught a marketable skill. Thing is, when you first become eligible for SNAP they send you to a class before your card is activated, a class on how to use the damn card. Why not give them a class on money management and parenting skills?

Those people you see in the checkout line, some single moms, or dads, but mostly two income households that just don't make enough money. The ones you don't see, they are the ones like I raised my kids, using government assistance to provide for a full-time mother at home. Yes, my kids got some kickass genes. But most of the credit for their success comes from that stay at home Mom, who shopped like a pro, maximized both my income and the government assistance, and was always there for them, from help with homework to cheering them on at their ballgames. Living in the right school district helped immensely. I found a way to live in one of the wealthiest districts in the area. Location, location, location. And that answers your question as to why the government is funding housing in the suburbs.

And there you go. You were living in what you call one of the wealthiest areas, and wonder why people don't want to work for a living?

Stay at home moms are only needed for preschool children. Once kids are in school, moms have no need to be home. Sounds to me like you're yet another person who found a way to milk the system when you could have easily supported yourselves.

Our founders never designed a federal government to support people or their families. They created a federal government to govern. If you want skills to get a job, get them yourself. I did. I didn't need government to support me while I did. I didn't need government to support my kids because I made sure I didn't have kids I couldn't support.

The lowlifes that moved into this area partly thanks to government destroyed my once beautiful suburb. Tens of millions of dollars in lost property values, the closing of all our major stores, and schools where teachers get assaulted by lowlife kids every month. Our police force is not large enough to handle the crime and thanks to the Democrats, nobody wants the job of a police officer any longer. Our city is looking to hire five additional officers they can't find. It's not just our problem, it's a nationwide problem.

Yes there are a lot of people who can do without government assistance, but the problem is the Democrat party loves dependents. The more dependents, the more likely Democrat voters. So they don't lift a finger to investigate any applicant for assistance. They want them on these programs for votes.