America Says "No Moore"
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Old Rocks
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But the major Republican politicians who echoed the 'Death Panel' bullshit are paragons of honesty?
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Ah, the language that was taken out of the bill after the issue was raised?
Yes indeed!
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Grassley and Blumenuer wrote that language. There was no way that it can be misconstrued to be a Death Panel bill. It simply said that once every five years, if a Medicare recipient requested it, Medicare would pay for end of life counseling with a doctor.
The language was takin out because of the idiocy stated about the amendments. And Grassley was a yellow coward for backing out of a principled position for the sake of killing the whole bill.
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Read more: More lies from Moore
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vueoL9OURnE&feature=related]YouTube - Michael Moore is a Liar[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vueoL9OURnE&feature=related]YouTube - Michael Moore is a Liar[/ame]
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Sept. 18 (Bloomberg) -- Opponents of overhauling U.S. health care argue that Canada shows what happens when government gets involved in medicine, saying the country is plagued by inferior treatment, rationing and months-long queues.
The allegations are wrong by almost every measure, according to research by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development and other independent studies published during the past five years. While delays do occur for non-emergency procedures, data indicate that Canada’s system of universal health coverage provides care as good as in the U.S., at a cost 47 percent less for each person.
“There is an image of Canadians flooding across the border to get care,” said Donald Berwick, a Harvard University health- policy specialist and pediatrician who heads the Boston-based nonprofit Institute for Healthcare Improvement. “That’s just not the case. The public in Canada is far more satisfied with the system than they are in the U.S. and health care is at least as good, with much more contained costs.”
Canadians live two to three years longer than Americans and are as likely to survive heart attacks, childhood leukemia, and breast and cervical cancer, according to the OECD, the Paris- based coalition of 30 industrialized nations.
Deaths considered preventable through health care are less frequent in Canada than in the U.S., according to a January 2008 report in the journal Health Affairs. In the study by British researchers, Canada placed sixth among 19 countries surveyed, with 77 deaths for every 100,000 people. That compared with the last-place finish of the U.S., with 110 deaths.
Infant Mortality
The Canadian mortality rate from asthma is one quarter of the U.S.’s, and the infant mortality rate is 34 percent lower, OECD data show. People in Canada are also 21 percent more apt to survive five years after a liver transplant.
Canadian Health Care, Even With Queues, Bests U.S. (Update1) - Bloomberg.com
The allegations are wrong by almost every measure, according to research by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development and other independent studies published during the past five years. While delays do occur for non-emergency procedures, data indicate that Canada’s system of universal health coverage provides care as good as in the U.S., at a cost 47 percent less for each person.
“There is an image of Canadians flooding across the border to get care,” said Donald Berwick, a Harvard University health- policy specialist and pediatrician who heads the Boston-based nonprofit Institute for Healthcare Improvement. “That’s just not the case. The public in Canada is far more satisfied with the system than they are in the U.S. and health care is at least as good, with much more contained costs.”
Canadians live two to three years longer than Americans and are as likely to survive heart attacks, childhood leukemia, and breast and cervical cancer, according to the OECD, the Paris- based coalition of 30 industrialized nations.
Deaths considered preventable through health care are less frequent in Canada than in the U.S., according to a January 2008 report in the journal Health Affairs. In the study by British researchers, Canada placed sixth among 19 countries surveyed, with 77 deaths for every 100,000 people. That compared with the last-place finish of the U.S., with 110 deaths.
Infant Mortality
The Canadian mortality rate from asthma is one quarter of the U.S.’s, and the infant mortality rate is 34 percent lower, OECD data show. People in Canada are also 21 percent more apt to survive five years after a liver transplant.
Canadian Health Care, Even With Queues, Bests U.S. (Update1) - Bloomberg.com
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On January 29, 1990 Phil Donahue brought his nationally televised show "Donahue" to Flint's Whiting auditorium to interview Michael Moore on Moore's runaway hit "Roger & Me".
Donahue said… ''This is Flint, Michigan and if you haven't been here you're missing the whole industrial story of America's heartland.''
Donahue talked briefly of Flint's job loss and the boarded up stores.
nDonahue stated… ''Your city is subject of a film which everybody is talking about. It no doubt will be the most talked about movie of 1990 and I am pleased to present its creator, producer, director and star. Here is your native son, Michael Moore.''
[Donahue went on how in Moore's film that Moore was unable to meet G.M. CEO Roger Smith. Actually, Moore did talk to Smith at two G.M. stockholders meetings and Westfall got him into both meetings. Westfall would take a group of his people to these stockholders meetings to demonstrate, confront the G.M. C.E.O. and make known the workers and communities concerns. Moore went with Westfall…twice.]
Donahue to Moore "Tell what message is embodied in your film?"
Moore replied… ''It's -we're all working harder to make less. There is no such thing as job security''
''And it's a story that doesn't get told. And I'm- actually, I'm very glad that now we have a chance to tell our story''
[Check the timeline and content of the Westfall papers on this site relative to Moore and his film. Actually, it wasn't Moore's story and it was not Moore who was losing his job security or who was working harder. It was America's blue-collar workers and the story had already gotten out by these hard working activists who were actually losing their jobs. The Flint activist workers had through years of intensive hard dedicated work been doing the grunt work nights, holidays and weekends to bring a national awareness to the issues. It was Moore, however, who claimed himself as the Don Quixote, as stated by Jim Musselman.]
Donahue went on…" but you got a lot of help from-and under way here in Flint, among others, Mike Westfall, a proud UAW member, Jim Musselman, an attorney drew up the idea for the film about what was happening here"
Moore…''Oh, that's not true .Oh, they lied.
Donahue…" they worked hard on -they fought General Motors''
Moore… ''No, No''
[Jim Musselman spent years in Flint as an attorney from Ralph Nader's Washington office and he was a dedicated and genuinely concerned American who worked very hard on the issues that Moore was now proclaiming on national television as his own exclusive domain.]
Donahue… "Please let me finish Mike. You do get to speak"
Moore…''yeah, yeah''
Donahue…"back in 1985; Ralph Nader and a few of his people who work for him were challenging General Motors publicly on their attempt to get tax rebates. The idea for a film came up it was drawn. Interviews were made with people in the union, and others-real solid citizen types doing in the trench work. And those people suddenly disappeared from the film. The film suddenly became Roger & me-"ME… Michael Moore' and you shouldn't be surprised that there is a little disappointment".
Donahue…"and here you come saying ''Ralph is very upset now because when cable news network and the New York times want a quote about G.M. they call Michael Moore, not Ralph Nader".
Moore… ''Yeah''
Donahue…" Michael, this is not classy, Mike".
Michael Moore Roger and Me
Donahue said… ''This is Flint, Michigan and if you haven't been here you're missing the whole industrial story of America's heartland.''
Donahue talked briefly of Flint's job loss and the boarded up stores.
nDonahue stated… ''Your city is subject of a film which everybody is talking about. It no doubt will be the most talked about movie of 1990 and I am pleased to present its creator, producer, director and star. Here is your native son, Michael Moore.''
[Donahue went on how in Moore's film that Moore was unable to meet G.M. CEO Roger Smith. Actually, Moore did talk to Smith at two G.M. stockholders meetings and Westfall got him into both meetings. Westfall would take a group of his people to these stockholders meetings to demonstrate, confront the G.M. C.E.O. and make known the workers and communities concerns. Moore went with Westfall…twice.]
Donahue to Moore "Tell what message is embodied in your film?"
Moore replied… ''It's -we're all working harder to make less. There is no such thing as job security''
''And it's a story that doesn't get told. And I'm- actually, I'm very glad that now we have a chance to tell our story''
[Check the timeline and content of the Westfall papers on this site relative to Moore and his film. Actually, it wasn't Moore's story and it was not Moore who was losing his job security or who was working harder. It was America's blue-collar workers and the story had already gotten out by these hard working activists who were actually losing their jobs. The Flint activist workers had through years of intensive hard dedicated work been doing the grunt work nights, holidays and weekends to bring a national awareness to the issues. It was Moore, however, who claimed himself as the Don Quixote, as stated by Jim Musselman.]
Donahue went on…" but you got a lot of help from-and under way here in Flint, among others, Mike Westfall, a proud UAW member, Jim Musselman, an attorney drew up the idea for the film about what was happening here"
Moore…''Oh, that's not true .Oh, they lied.
Donahue…" they worked hard on -they fought General Motors''
Moore… ''No, No''
[Jim Musselman spent years in Flint as an attorney from Ralph Nader's Washington office and he was a dedicated and genuinely concerned American who worked very hard on the issues that Moore was now proclaiming on national television as his own exclusive domain.]
Donahue… "Please let me finish Mike. You do get to speak"
Moore…''yeah, yeah''
Donahue…"back in 1985; Ralph Nader and a few of his people who work for him were challenging General Motors publicly on their attempt to get tax rebates. The idea for a film came up it was drawn. Interviews were made with people in the union, and others-real solid citizen types doing in the trench work. And those people suddenly disappeared from the film. The film suddenly became Roger & me-"ME… Michael Moore' and you shouldn't be surprised that there is a little disappointment".
Donahue…"and here you come saying ''Ralph is very upset now because when cable news network and the New York times want a quote about G.M. they call Michael Moore, not Ralph Nader".
Moore… ''Yeah''
Donahue…" Michael, this is not classy, Mike".
Michael Moore Roger and Me
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I guarantee you didn't read any of that. You already KNOW he's a liar.
Well I did read it. And ya know what, there are a few few valid points.
Somewhat deceptive editing to prove a point, for example.
Moore is absolutely guilty of this.
But the examples of "lies" that link ''expose" are just not there. Sorry.
The fact that the Heston rally was an election thing and not a "pro-gun" rally or that the Wille Horton ad wasn't "technically" a Bush ad are really immaterial.
"IRAQ IS AN IMMINENT THREAT WITH WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION"
Now that's a lie!
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There you go again the actual; statement was that Iraq was a threat and was trying to acquire wepons of mass distruction. By the way such weapons were found just not in the expected quantities. Not so much to us but to our two primary allies in the region and to our oil supplies.
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Poor Mickey, nobody loves a rich fat hypocrite anymore.
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More just sucks.
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