Allowable guns in the US

[Dick Foster]

Furthermore as just explained since ALL gun laws are unconstitutional as being in direct opposition to the clear wording and stated purpose of the second amendment the one and the only remedy is by constitutional amendment via one of the two procedures described in the constitution itself. Of course one must bear in mind the supremacy clause which renders all other laws whether state, local or federal subservient to it therfore null and void. Not even the supreme court can rightfully rule otherwise because they too must swear an oath to hold themselves subservient to the constitution and recognize it as the overriding supreme law of the land. Of course the second is so brief and clear in its meaning it requires no interpretation. One two part sentence stated in the clearest and simplest of terms. Any attempt to construe its meaning otherwise is simply an attempt at obscuring its intent thus nullifying it and should be sufficient cause to sustain a charge of malfeasance in office.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

What is the most deadliest gun can you own in the US? Can you own a M134 Minigun to protect your property?

The deadliest gun? The one in the hands of a skilled shooter. The one you practice with the most.

I have several guns. None are particularly deadly unless I hit my target.

There are more hoops to jump thru to own a fully automatic weapon like an M134 Minigun. But as long as it was manufactured before 1986, you can jump thru the hoops and own it.

I've never understood the desire to own a full auto firearm. I've fired a few. And while it is fun, it has limited use as a defensive firearm.

if they are so useless then why does the military depend on them so much???

They have very important uses for the military. Less so for home defense.

A fully automatic rifle is not nearly as accurate as a semi auto, and is far less controllable. In a military situation, killing people around the enemy is good. In defending your home it is not. Not to mention the increased regulations of owning one, and having to submit to inspections anytime the feds wish.

I have a solution to that problem.

Repeal all gun laws.

As for home defense, a machine gun is not a terrible choice, depending on the number of intruders, but home defense is not the intent of the right to keep and bear arms.

I need a machine gun.

My religion (Norse Pagan) demands that I die with a machine gun in my hand.

 

[progressive hunter]

Furthermore as just explained since ALL gun laws are unconstitutional as being in direct opposition to the clear wording and stated purpose of the second amendment the one and the only remedy is by constitutional amendment via one of the two procedures described in the constitution itself. Of course one must bear in mind the supremacy clause which renders all other laws whether state, local or federal subservient to it therfore null and void. Not even the supreme court can rightfully rule otherwise because they too must swear an oath to hold themselves subservient to the constitution and recognize it as the overriding supreme law of the land. Of course the second is so brief and clear in its meaning it requires no interpretation. One two part sentence stated in the clearest and simplest of terms. Any attempt to construe its meaning otherwise is simply an attempt at obscuring its intent thus nullifying it and should be sufficient cause to sustain a charge of malfeasance in office.

I'd be very cautious about opening that can of worms with the democrat and republican partys in power

 

[LuckyDuck]

Citizens with a Federal Firearms License, can own any pistol, rifle, or machine gun they want. So, you could own a minigun, but you have to have that license to do so. How deadly any firearm is, depends on who has it.

IMHO even that license requirement is unconstitutional. In fact ALL guns laws are unconstitutional and so are illegal from a strictly constitutional viewpoint. "the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Arms encompasses any weapon therefore including any type or caliber of gun while infringed means restricted, limited, denied or regulated in any manner whatsoever.
Remember the British marched on Lexington and Concord in order to seize weapons including cannon and shot which were the weapons of mass destruction of the day. When the founders penned the constitution they had Concord and Lexington fresh on their minds and any idiot can easily conclude that the events of Lexington and Concord was precisely the type of event or circumstance the 2nd was penned to prevent. Of course the militia referred to in the second were the minutemen, or the rebels of the day standing against the then recognized government authority and its armed forces.
The real purpose of the 2nd is to put the people on a more equal footing as far as weaponry against a government run amok.
Anyone who can't see that much is a simple minded fool who just doesn't want to see it and is likely feigning ignorance.

I'm quite aware of the purpose of the Second Amendment and have addressed the topic on other posts. All I have said, is that to have a fully functioning fully-automatic firearm, you have to have a Federal Firearms License, which is the way the law currently is. I never said that I agreed with the law. If I could, I'd own fully-automatic rifles, as a deterrent to the far-left Marxist fake Democrat Party.

 

[Dick Foster]

Furthermore as just explained since ALL gun laws are unconstitutional as being in direct opposition to the clear wording and stated purpose of the second amendment the one and the only remedy is by constitutional amendment via one of the two procedures described in the constitution itself. Of course one must bear in mind the supremacy clause which renders all other laws whether state, local or federal subservient to it therfore null and void. Not even the supreme court can rightfully rule otherwise because they too must swear an oath to hold themselves subservient to the constitution and recognize it as the overriding supreme law of the land. Of course the second is so brief and clear in its meaning it requires no interpretation. One two part sentence stated in the clearest and simplest of terms. Any attempt to construe its meaning otherwise is simply an attempt at obscuring its intent thus nullifying it and should be sufficient cause to sustain a charge of malfeasance in office.

I'd be very cautious about opening that can of worms with the democrat and republican partys in power

The can absolutely needs to be opened. In fact the can should never have been in the first place.
BTW freedom isn't for sissies. Sissies don't deserve freedom.
"He who would trade freedom for a little security deserves neither freedom or liberty." Benjamin Franklin.

 

[progressive hunter]

Furthermore as just explained since ALL gun laws are unconstitutional as being in direct opposition to the clear wording and stated purpose of the second amendment the one and the only remedy is by constitutional amendment via one of the two procedures described in the constitution itself. Of course one must bear in mind the supremacy clause which renders all other laws whether state, local or federal subservient to it therfore null and void. Not even the supreme court can rightfully rule otherwise because they too must swear an oath to hold themselves subservient to the constitution and recognize it as the overriding supreme law of the land. Of course the second is so brief and clear in its meaning it requires no interpretation. One two part sentence stated in the clearest and simplest of terms. Any attempt to construe its meaning otherwise is simply an attempt at obscuring its intent thus nullifying it and should be sufficient cause to sustain a charge of malfeasance in office.

I'd be very cautious about opening that can of worms with the democrat and republican partys in power

The can absolutely needs to be opened. In fact the can should never have been in the first place.
BTW freedom isn't for sissies. Sissies don't deserve freedom.
"He who would trade freedom for a little security deserves neither freedom or liberty." Benjamin Franklin.

if there be a fight bring it to me so my children may live in peace,,,

 

[Missourian]

I don't need "da gubermint" to grant me their blessing on what I may or may not have in order to defend my home and country. Commie fucks like candyporn would love to have a totally disarmed public because marxists like her fear an armed populace. They stand in the way of their hopes of a commie utopia.

Comrade Dmitri Smirnov trying to convince us he's an American... too funny. Come on, we know Putin doesn't let you have guns, Comrade.

When did you suddenly care about "your country"? I thought you didn't participate in the system and you think it's all a conspiracy by the Jesuits/Bilderbergers

Anyway, out here in the REAL WORLD of America, most of us are sick and tired of the gun fetishists and how we all have to shape our lives around them.

Come get mine shit weasel.

He ain't coming to get it...and they are defunding the police...so they ain't coming either. It's over. Gun purchases are though the roof. I couldn't find 357 ammo locally, and 9mm? Forget it.

 

[JoeB131]

Your claims that a gun is worthless to stop crime is very misleading. You only count the times in which a legal gun owner killed the criminal. If they wounded them or just held them at gunpoint until the cops arrived, it does not tally in your total.

As far as I'm concerned, that's the only thing that counts. 16000 homicides vs. 200 self-defense homicides. Non-incidents when having a gun made the gun owner feel better about his tiny penis (which is what I count most supposed DGU's as) are exactly that, non-incidents.

If guns made us safer, we'd have the lowest crime rates in the industrialized world, not the highest.

Also, while discussing guns, you claim that there were 15,000 homicides. But there were not 15,000 gun homicides, which you probably know. There were about 10,000 gun homicides in 2018.

Actually, there were 14.512 gun homicides in 2017 and 14.415 in 2016, the last years I have numbers for. The problem is, of course, the FBI likes to play down the numbers, while the CDC goes with a higher one.

Guns in the United States — Firearms, gun law and gun control

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The number of total homicides is 19,000.

Considering an estimated 43% of homes in the US have at least one gun, that also shoots down your "a gun in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than a bad guy". The only way that number is not wildly inflated is if you include gun suicides in your figures.

Actually, it's nowhere near that number. Only 21% of Americans own a gun. And, YES, I do include suicides in that number. A gun was in the house, it made a suicide possible. When the UK got rid of toxic coal gas in ovens, the suicide rate went down because people couldn't stick their heads in the oven anymore.

 

[JoeB131]

The deadliest gun someone can own is the illegal gun that is used to murder black people, white people, Latinos or Orientals. Law abiding citizens dont use their guns to murder...Does that help you understand, or do i need to put it into a 1st grade manner?

Most gun deaths are domestic violence... where people kill their family members or neighbors. So, um, no.

 

[WinterBorn]

Your claims that a gun is worthless to stop crime is very misleading. You only count the times in which a legal gun owner killed the criminal. If they wounded them or just held them at gunpoint until the cops arrived, it does not tally in your total.

As far as I'm concerned, that's the only thing that counts. 16000 homicides vs. 200 self-defense homicides. Non-incidents when having a gun made the gun owner feel better about his tiny penis (which is what I count most supposed DGU's as) are exactly that, non-incidents.

If guns made us safer, we'd have the lowest crime rates in the industrialized world, not the highest.

Also, while discussing guns, you claim that there were 15,000 homicides. But there were not 15,000 gun homicides, which you probably know. There were about 10,000 gun homicides in 2018.

Actually, there were 14.512 gun homicides in 2017 and 14.415 in 2016, the last years I have numbers for. The problem is, of course, the FBI likes to play down the numbers, while the CDC goes with a higher one.

Guns in the United States — Firearms, gun law and gun control

Gun law, gun control statistics, number of guns in United States, gun deaths, firearm facts and policy, armed violence, public health and development

www.gunpolicy.org

The number of total homicides is 19,000.

Considering an estimated 43% of homes in the US have at least one gun, that also shoots down your "a gun in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than a bad guy". The only way that number is not wildly inflated is if you include gun suicides in your figures.

Actually, it's nowhere near that number. Only 21% of Americans own a gun. And, YES, I do include suicides in that number. A gun was in the house, it made a suicide possible. When the UK got rid of toxic coal gas in ovens, the suicide rate went down because people couldn't stick their heads in the oven anymore.

When the UK instituted their strict gun control, suicides did not drop. Nor did they drop In Australia when they instituted their current gun control.

And the only thing you know for sure about a gun suicide is that the person truly wanted to die. It was not a plea for attention. If someone wants to die, they won't change their mind based solely on whether a gun is available.

 

[WinterBorn]

Your claims that a gun is worthless to stop crime is very misleading. You only count the times in which a legal gun owner killed the criminal. If they wounded them or just held them at gunpoint until the cops arrived, it does not tally in your total.

As far as I'm concerned, that's the only thing that counts. 16000 homicides vs. 200 self-defense homicides. Non-incidents when having a gun made the gun owner feel better about his tiny penis (which is what I count most supposed DGU's as) are exactly that, non-incidents.

If guns made us safer, we'd have the lowest crime rates in the industrialized world, not the highest.

Also, while discussing guns, you claim that there were 15,000 homicides. But there were not 15,000 gun homicides, which you probably know. There were about 10,000 gun homicides in 2018.

Actually, there were 14.512 gun homicides in 2017 and 14.415 in 2016, the last years I have numbers for. The problem is, of course, the FBI likes to play down the numbers, while the CDC goes with a higher one.

Guns in the United States — Firearms, gun law and gun control

Gun law, gun control statistics, number of guns in United States, gun deaths, firearm facts and policy, armed violence, public health and development

www.gunpolicy.org

The number of total homicides is 19,000.

Considering an estimated 43% of homes in the US have at least one gun, that also shoots down your "a gun in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than a bad guy". The only way that number is not wildly inflated is if you include gun suicides in your figures.

Actually, it's nowhere near that number. Only 21% of Americans own a gun. And, YES, I do include suicides in that number. A gun was in the house, it made a suicide possible. When the UK got rid of toxic coal gas in ovens, the suicide rate went down because people couldn't stick their heads in the oven anymore.

Its funny that you quote the FBI when it suits your argument, and the CDC when that suits you better.

from: Why These Defensive Uses of Firearms Should Disarm Second Amendment Skeptics
" In fact, according to a 2013 report by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, almost all national studies of defensive gun uses have found that firearms are used in self-defense between 500,000 and 3 million times every year in the United States. "

Which shows your number is ridiculously low. And also shows that law abiding gun owners are not the bloodthirsty lot you want to make them out to be.

 

[Blues Man]

What is the most deadliest gun can you own in the US? Can you own a M134 Minigun to protect your property?

The most deadliest thing is shitty grammar

 

[WinterBorn]

The deadliest gun someone can own is the illegal gun that is used to murder black people, white people, Latinos or Orientals. Law abiding citizens dont use their guns to murder...Does that help you understand, or do i need to put it into a 1st grade manner?

Most gun deaths are domestic violence... where people kill their family members or neighbors. So, um, no.

I haven't seen that research or evidence to support that. And just FYI, killing a neighbor is not domestic violence.

I also do not think a gun related murder of someone you co-habitat with would be the first recorded domestic violence. And if they have been convicted of domestic violence, they cannot guy a firearm legally. So more laws would be worthless.

 

[Blues Man]

What is the most deadliest gun can you own in the US? Can you own a M134 Minigun to protect your property?

I read a thing a long time ago that said a .22 has killed more people than any other caliber and a 30-30 has killed more deer than any other caliber.

A 5.56 mm round is technically .22 caliber

 

[progressive hunter]

What is the most deadliest gun can you own in the US? Can you own a M134 Minigun to protect your property?

I read a thing a long time ago that said a .22 has killed more people than any other caliber and a 30-30 has killed more deer than any other caliber.

A 5.56 mm round is technically .22 caliber

.223

 

[Blues Man]

What is the most deadliest gun can you own in the US? Can you own a M134 Minigun to protect your property?

I read a thing a long time ago that said a .22 has killed more people than any other caliber and a 30-30 has killed more deer than any other caliber.

A 5.56 mm round is technically .22 caliber

.223

Convert 5.56 mm to caliber - Conversion of Measurement Units

Do a quick conversion: 1 millimetres = 0.039370078740157 caliber using the online calculator for metric conversions. Check the chart for more details.

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.218 caliber

 

[progressive hunter]

What is the most deadliest gun can you own in the US? Can you own a M134 Minigun to protect your property?

I read a thing a long time ago that said a .22 has killed more people than any other caliber and a 30-30 has killed more deer than any other caliber.

A 5.56 mm round is technically .22 caliber

.223

Convert 5.56 mm to caliber - Conversion of Measurement Units

Do a quick conversion: 1 millimetres = 0.039370078740157 caliber using the online calculator for metric conversions. Check the chart for more details.

www.convertunits.com

.218 caliber

 

[Agit8r]

It's more a matter of who can be trusted with a gun. Not mentally unstable people, not known domestic abusers, obviously.

 

[progressive hunter]

It's more a matter of who can be trusted with a gun. Not mentally unstable people, not known domestic abusers, obviously.

thats every member of the democrat and republican party,,

sorry that violates the 2nd amendment,,,

 

[Agit8r]

It's more a matter of who can be trusted with a gun. Not mentally unstable people, not known domestic abusers, obviously.

thats every member of the democrat and republican party,,

sorry that violates the 2nd amendment,,,

Lol. no it doesnt.

"Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms."
-- Antonin Scalia, from majority opinion District of Columbia v. Heller