All The News Anti-Israel Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss

[Shusha]

The Canaanites were Arab, (and actually all Semitic people like Hebrew are Arabs), and the Canaanites were in the Land of Canaan at least back to 8,000 BC. That is well before any Canaanites or other Arabs went to the Arabian Peninsula.

Wait, what?! Are you trying to argue that the Arab peoples originated in the Levant and immigrated TO the Arabian Peninsula?! And then returned?

 

[Sixties Fan]

There are many possible criteria for self determination, but Israel fails them all.

Cool. List them then, in concrete, objective terms.

A peoples are eligible for sovereignty IF....

A peoples are prohibited from sovereignty IF...

Hey guys, could that be...."Abi", etc, etc....... again?

 

[Rigby5]

You obviously have never read the Treaty of Severe.
It clearly says the inhabitants were to be given independent sovereignty, and that Jews were only to be allowed facilitated immigration to a local homeland INSIDE of Palestine, which was to be ruled by the native Arabs.

{...
ARTICLE 95.


The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory to be selected by the said Powers. The Mandatory will be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2, 1917, by the British Government, and adopted by the other Allied Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.
...}

Section I, Articles 1 - 260 - World War I Document Archive

There is no way to even remotely interpret the Treaty of Sevres as giving Jewish immigrants sovereignty over the native Arab majority.
It clearly says the civil rights of non-Jews in Palestine were not to be infringed.
That means the native Arab Majority was to have sovereignty, not the immigrant Jewish minority.

I read it very clearly.

Palestine is a region, named by the Romans to make the Jewish Nation forget their homeland. It did not work and Jews continued to live on the land through the Romans, the Byzantine, the Muslims (Arabs), Crusaders and the Ottoman invasion and conquest during all of those 2000 since the Roman invasion.

You may try to make the Arabs the native people of the land all you like. They totally do not agree with you as they will tell you that their native land is called the Arabian Peninsula.

You seem to want to understand only what you wish to understand out of the Mandate for Palestine. Or any of the other three Mandates.

So be it.

Denialism is a region of the mind most preferred by those who reject the Jewish Nation/People's right to sovereignty on their own Ancient Land.

Totally and completely wrong!
Palestine was named after the Philistine and Phoenician city states, and existed hundreds of years berfore the Hebrew invasion around 1000 BC.
It is NOT at all the Hebrew homeland, and their massacre of Canaanites like at Jericho, deny them having any right to the region at all. Not only did the Hebrew leave when the Romans forced them out, but previously the Assyrian and Babylonians got fed up and made them leave as well. Later the Crusaders also wiped them out, and it was only the Moslem protection that allowed some Jews to return. But in 1900, the population was only about 5% Jewish in all of Palestine. Even in Jerusalem the majority was always Muslim Arab.

And only an ignorant person would say that Arabs are from the Arabian peninsula or that the Palestinan Arabs came from there. Anyone who knows any history at all know that the Arab in the Arabian Peninsula came from Palestine, and that the Palestinians, like the Canaanites, Akkadians, Amorites, Urites, Philistine, Phoenicians, Nabatians, Chaldeans, etc., all predated the Arabian Peninsula and are the original Palestine natives.
The ONLY thing they got from the Arabian Peninsula was the unified language of Arabic.

It is not at all hard to understand the British Mandate for Palestine.
Since you clearly do not understand it, try reading the Churchill White Paper of 1922, that was intended to make most clear.

The Avalon Project : British White Paper of June 1922
{...
The tension which has prevailed from time to time in Palestine is mainly due to apprehensions, which are entertained both by sections of the Arab and by sections of the Jewish population. These apprehensions, so far as the Arabs are concerned are partly based upon exaggerated interpretations of the meaning of the [Balfour] Declaration favouring the establishment of a Jewish National Home in Palestine, made on behalf of His Majesty's Government on 2nd November, 1917.

Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab deegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language, or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded `in Palestine.' In this connection it has been observed with satisfaction that at a meeting of the Zionist Congress, the supreme governing body of the Zionist Organization, held at Carlsbad in September, 1921, a resolution was passed expressing as the official statement of Zionist aims "the determination of the Jewish people to live with the Arab people on terms of unity and mutual respect, and together with them to make the common home into a flourishing community, the upbuilding of which may assure to each of its peoples an undisturbed national development."

It is also necessary to point out that the Zionist Commission in Palestine, now termed the Palestine Zionist Executive, has not desired to possess, and does not possess, any share in the general administration of the country. Nor does the special position assigned to the Zionist Organization in Article IV of the Draft Mandate for Palestine imply any such functions. That special position relates to the measures to be taken in Palestine affecting the Jewish population, and contemplates that the organization may assist in the general development of the country, but does not entitle it to share in any degree in its government.

Further, it is contemplated that the status of all citizens of Palestine in the eyes of the law shall be Palestinian, and it has never been intended that they, or any section of them, should possess any other juridical status. So far as the Jewish population of Palestine are concerned it appears that some among them are apprehensive that His Majesty's Government may depart from the policy embodied in the Declaration of 1917. It is necessary, therefore, once more to affirm that these fears are unfounded, and that that Declaration, re affirmed by the Conference of the Principle Allied Powers at San Remo and again in the Treaty of Sevres, is not susceptible of change.

During the last two or three generations the Jews have recreated in Palestine a community, now numbering 80,000
...}

The Arabs DO come from Arabia, and they came not only in the 7th century, but only fairly recently as well, after Zionist Jews built up the country and made it prosperous. At least you admit that the Jews used to live in Judea/ Israel, many others deny us even THAT, despite the overwhelming evidence. You are right when you say we were forced out by the Romans--after no less than 3 rebellions for our freedom. The Arch of Titus in Italy is evidence of that. HaTikva is Israel's national anthem for a reason--please google the translation of it. (The melody is beautiful as well.) The Canaanites are no longer in existence. Between us and the Palestinian Arabs, WE are the indigenous ppl of that land.

Wrong. Totally and completely wrong.
The Canaanites were Arab, (and actually all Semitic people like Hebrew are Arabs), and the Canaanites were in the Land of Canaan at least back to 8,000 BC. That is well before any Canaanites or other Arabs went to the Arabian Peninsula.

And what you claim about Arabs being recent immigrants is just silly.
Just look at the 1920 census data, and you see that back before the region was very prosperous, there were only 63,000 Jews out of a population of about 2 million. So clearly it was an Arab country completely before the Jewish immigration around WWII. And even with that Jewish immigration, the population was only about a third Jewish, and it is still only about a third Jewish.

When the Romans, Babylonians, Assyrians kicked the Jews out, Palestine was not deserted. The population remained about the same. That is because the Jews were never the majority anywhere in Palestine.
And yes, the Canaanites, Akkadians, Chaldeans, Philistines, Phoenicians, Urites, Amorites, Nabatians, etc., most certainly are in existence. They never left.

Jews are NOT the natives of Palestine. It is clear that before going to Egypt, they lived in the Sinai, and that is where they are native to.

"The Right to Destroy Jewish History"

At least the Muslims Arabs are trying.....and trying.....and trying......

Palestinian fabrication: Canaanites were Arabs - Video

That is silly.
The Canaanites never left Palestine. Neither did the Akkadians, Chaldeans, Nabatians, Urites, Amorites, Philistines, Phoenicians, etc.

 

[Sixties Fan]

I read it very clearly.

Palestine is a region, named by the Romans to make the Jewish Nation forget their homeland. It did not work and Jews continued to live on the land through the Romans, the Byzantine, the Muslims (Arabs), Crusaders and the Ottoman invasion and conquest during all of those 2000 since the Roman invasion.

You may try to make the Arabs the native people of the land all you like. They totally do not agree with you as they will tell you that their native land is called the Arabian Peninsula.

You seem to want to understand only what you wish to understand out of the Mandate for Palestine. Or any of the other three Mandates.

So be it.

Denialism is a region of the mind most preferred by those who reject the Jewish Nation/People's right to sovereignty on their own Ancient Land.

Totally and completely wrong!
Palestine was named after the Philistine and Phoenician city states, and existed hundreds of years berfore the Hebrew invasion around 1000 BC.
It is NOT at all the Hebrew homeland, and their massacre of Canaanites like at Jericho, deny them having any right to the region at all. Not only did the Hebrew leave when the Romans forced them out, but previously the Assyrian and Babylonians got fed up and made them leave as well. Later the Crusaders also wiped them out, and it was only the Moslem protection that allowed some Jews to return. But in 1900, the population was only about 5% Jewish in all of Palestine. Even in Jerusalem the majority was always Muslim Arab.

And only an ignorant person would say that Arabs are from the Arabian peninsula or that the Palestinan Arabs came from there. Anyone who knows any history at all know that the Arab in the Arabian Peninsula came from Palestine, and that the Palestinians, like the Canaanites, Akkadians, Amorites, Urites, Philistine, Phoenicians, Nabatians, Chaldeans, etc., all predated the Arabian Peninsula and are the original Palestine natives.
The ONLY thing they got from the Arabian Peninsula was the unified language of Arabic.

It is not at all hard to understand the British Mandate for Palestine.
Since you clearly do not understand it, try reading the Churchill White Paper of 1922, that was intended to make most clear.

The Avalon Project : British White Paper of June 1922
{...
The tension which has prevailed from time to time in Palestine is mainly due to apprehensions, which are entertained both by sections of the Arab and by sections of the Jewish population. These apprehensions, so far as the Arabs are concerned are partly based upon exaggerated interpretations of the meaning of the [Balfour] Declaration favouring the establishment of a Jewish National Home in Palestine, made on behalf of His Majesty's Government on 2nd November, 1917.

Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab deegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language, or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded `in Palestine.' In this connection it has been observed with satisfaction that at a meeting of the Zionist Congress, the supreme governing body of the Zionist Organization, held at Carlsbad in September, 1921, a resolution was passed expressing as the official statement of Zionist aims "the determination of the Jewish people to live with the Arab people on terms of unity and mutual respect, and together with them to make the common home into a flourishing community, the upbuilding of which may assure to each of its peoples an undisturbed national development."

It is also necessary to point out that the Zionist Commission in Palestine, now termed the Palestine Zionist Executive, has not desired to possess, and does not possess, any share in the general administration of the country. Nor does the special position assigned to the Zionist Organization in Article IV of the Draft Mandate for Palestine imply any such functions. That special position relates to the measures to be taken in Palestine affecting the Jewish population, and contemplates that the organization may assist in the general development of the country, but does not entitle it to share in any degree in its government.

Further, it is contemplated that the status of all citizens of Palestine in the eyes of the law shall be Palestinian, and it has never been intended that they, or any section of them, should possess any other juridical status. So far as the Jewish population of Palestine are concerned it appears that some among them are apprehensive that His Majesty's Government may depart from the policy embodied in the Declaration of 1917. It is necessary, therefore, once more to affirm that these fears are unfounded, and that that Declaration, re affirmed by the Conference of the Principle Allied Powers at San Remo and again in the Treaty of Sevres, is not susceptible of change.

During the last two or three generations the Jews have recreated in Palestine a community, now numbering 80,000
...}

The Arabs DO come from Arabia, and they came not only in the 7th century, but only fairly recently as well, after Zionist Jews built up the country and made it prosperous. At least you admit that the Jews used to live in Judea/ Israel, many others deny us even THAT, despite the overwhelming evidence. You are right when you say we were forced out by the Romans--after no less than 3 rebellions for our freedom. The Arch of Titus in Italy is evidence of that. HaTikva is Israel's national anthem for a reason--please google the translation of it. (The melody is beautiful as well.) The Canaanites are no longer in existence. Between us and the Palestinian Arabs, WE are the indigenous ppl of that land.

Wrong. Totally and completely wrong.
The Canaanites were Arab, (and actually all Semitic people like Hebrew are Arabs), and the Canaanites were in the Land of Canaan at least back to 8,000 BC. That is well before any Canaanites or other Arabs went to the Arabian Peninsula.

And what you claim about Arabs being recent immigrants is just silly.
Just look at the 1920 census data, and you see that back before the region was very prosperous, there were only 63,000 Jews out of a population of about 2 million. So clearly it was an Arab country completely before the Jewish immigration around WWII. And even with that Jewish immigration, the population was only about a third Jewish, and it is still only about a third Jewish.

When the Romans, Babylonians, Assyrians kicked the Jews out, Palestine was not deserted. The population remained about the same. That is because the Jews were never the majority anywhere in Palestine.
And yes, the Canaanites, Akkadians, Chaldeans, Philistines, Phoenicians, Urites, Amorites, Nabatians, etc., most certainly are in existence. They never left.

Jews are NOT the natives of Palestine. It is clear that before going to Egypt, they lived in the Sinai, and that is where they are native to.

"The Right to Destroy Jewish History"

At least the Muslims Arabs are trying.....and trying.....and trying......

Palestinian fabrication: Canaanites were Arabs - Video

That is silly.
The Canaanites never left Palestine. Neither did the Akkadians, Chaldeans, Nabatians, Urites, Amorites, Philistines, Phoenicians, etc.

We are not saying that the Canaanites left Canaan.

You are saying that the Canaanites were Arabs.

So, when did the Arabs get to Arabia and turned into the Arabian Peninsula?

You are not even aware that the Philistines were not a tribe indigenous of Canaan, are you?

 

[Rigby5]

WHICH Treaty of Sevres did you read?

British Mandate for Palestine

Main article: British Mandate of Palestine

The three principles of the British Balfour Declaration regarding Palestine were adopted in the Treaty of Sèvres:

ARTICLE 95: The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory to be selected by the said Powers. The Mandatory will be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on 2 November 1917 by the British Government, and adopted by the other Allied Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

Treaty of Sèvres - Wikipedia


Where does is it mention in that Treaty that:

<<The British Mandate for Palestine came from the Treaty of Sevres, which is very clear in that it was the Muslim Arabs who were being given independence and sovereignty in Palestine, not the Jewish People.>>>

You obviously have never read the Treaty of Severe.
It clearly says the inhabitants were to be given independent sovereignty, and that Jews were only to be allowed facilitated immigration to a local homeland INSIDE of Palestine, which was to be ruled by the native Arabs.

{...
ARTICLE 95.


The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory to be selected by the said Powers. The Mandatory will be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2, 1917, by the British Government, and adopted by the other Allied Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.
...}

Section I, Articles 1 - 260 - World War I Document Archive

There is no way to even remotely interpret the Treaty of Sevres as giving Jewish immigrants sovereignty over the native Arab majority.
It clearly says the civil rights of non-Jews in Palestine were not to be infringed.
That means the native Arab Majority was to have sovereignty, not the immigrant Jewish minority.

I read it very clearly.

Palestine is a region, named by the Romans to make the Jewish Nation forget their homeland. It did not work and Jews continued to live on the land through the Romans, the Byzantine, the Muslims (Arabs), Crusaders and the Ottoman invasion and conquest during all of those 2000 since the Roman invasion.

You may try to make the Arabs the native people of the land all you like. They totally do not agree with you as they will tell you that their native land is called the Arabian Peninsula.

You seem to want to understand only what you wish to understand out of the Mandate for Palestine. Or any of the other three Mandates.

So be it.

Denialism is a region of the mind most preferred by those who reject the Jewish Nation/People's right to sovereignty on their own Ancient Land.

Totally and completely wrong!
Palestine was named after the Philistine and Phoenician city states, and existed hundreds of years berfore the Hebrew invasion around 1000 BC.
It is NOT at all the Hebrew homeland, and their massacre of Canaanites like at Jericho, deny them having any right to the region at all. Not only did the Hebrew leave when the Romans forced them out, but previously the Assyrian and Babylonians got fed up and made them leave as well. Later the Crusaders also wiped them out, and it was only the Moslem protection that allowed some Jews to return. But in 1900, the population was only about 5% Jewish in all of Palestine. Even in Jerusalem the majority was always Muslim Arab.

And only an ignorant person would say that Arabs are from the Arabian peninsula or that the Palestinan Arabs came from there. Anyone who knows any history at all know that the Arab in the Arabian Peninsula came from Palestine, and that the Palestinians, like the Canaanites, Akkadians, Amorites, Urites, Philistine, Phoenicians, Nabatians, Chaldeans, etc., all predated the Arabian Peninsula and are the original Palestine natives.
The ONLY thing they got from the Arabian Peninsula was the unified language of Arabic.

It is not at all hard to understand the British Mandate for Palestine.
Since you clearly do not understand it, try reading the Churchill White Paper of 1922, that was intended to make most clear.

The Avalon Project : British White Paper of June 1922
{...
The tension which has prevailed from time to time in Palestine is mainly due to apprehensions, which are entertained both by sections of the Arab and by sections of the Jewish population. These apprehensions, so far as the Arabs are concerned are partly based upon exaggerated interpretations of the meaning of the [Balfour] Declaration favouring the establishment of a Jewish National Home in Palestine, made on behalf of His Majesty's Government on 2nd November, 1917.

Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab deegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language, or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded `in Palestine.' In this connection it has been observed with satisfaction that at a meeting of the Zionist Congress, the supreme governing body of the Zionist Organization, held at Carlsbad in September, 1921, a resolution was passed expressing as the official statement of Zionist aims "the determination of the Jewish people to live with the Arab people on terms of unity and mutual respect, and together with them to make the common home into a flourishing community, the upbuilding of which may assure to each of its peoples an undisturbed national development."

It is also necessary to point out that the Zionist Commission in Palestine, now termed the Palestine Zionist Executive, has not desired to possess, and does not possess, any share in the general administration of the country. Nor does the special position assigned to the Zionist Organization in Article IV of the Draft Mandate for Palestine imply any such functions. That special position relates to the measures to be taken in Palestine affecting the Jewish population, and contemplates that the organization may assist in the general development of the country, but does not entitle it to share in any degree in its government.

Further, it is contemplated that the status of all citizens of Palestine in the eyes of the law shall be Palestinian, and it has never been intended that they, or any section of them, should possess any other juridical status. So far as the Jewish population of Palestine are concerned it appears that some among them are apprehensive that His Majesty's Government may depart from the policy embodied in the Declaration of 1917. It is necessary, therefore, once more to affirm that these fears are unfounded, and that that Declaration, re affirmed by the Conference of the Principle Allied Powers at San Remo and again in the Treaty of Sevres, is not susceptible of change.

During the last two or three generations the Jews have recreated in Palestine a community, now numbering 80,000
...}

The Arabs DO come from Arabia, and they came not only in the 7th century, but only fairly recently as well, after Zionist Jews built up the country and made it prosperous. At least you admit that the Jews used to live in Judea/ Israel, many others deny us even THAT, despite the overwhelming evidence. You are right when you say we were forced out by the Romans--after no less than 3 rebellions for our freedom. The Arch of Titus in Italy is evidence of that. HaTikva is Israel's national anthem for a reason--please google the translation of it. (The melody is beautiful as well.) The Canaanites are no longer in existence. Between us and the Palestinian Arabs, WE are the indigenous ppl of that land.

The Arabs have been mostly present in the Land of Israel from the 7th century CE on. The Husseini clan came around the 10th Century CE.
Not all Jews were taken to Rome after the revolts, anymore than "all" Israelites were taken to Babylon centuries before.

Many were still living there, they simply could not go into Jerusalem to keep the Jews from revolting again (it was an Arab Muslim who allowed Jews to live in Jerusalem again in the 7th Century CE)

The Canaanites did not disappear. They eventually became part of the Nation of Israel.

The Canaanite tribes identity, and the Phillistines as well, may have disappeared, but they did remain in the area becoming part of Israel or any other Nation at the time.

The first time I have read of Arabs in the Land of Israel (Canaan),was during the Roman times, when that Empire used one tribe or another, or mercenary groups, to help the Romans put down the Jewish revolts all the way up to Bar Kochba.
I have not found any mention of them afterwards.

The Jewish People/Nation created a Nation 3000 years ago, and have remained on it all the way to the present.

Arabs, once Islam was created in Arabia, came to the land, and all other lands as invaders from the 7th century CE on and only became an "Arab Nation' because of Muhammad and his creation of Islam. They are indigenous of Arabia and no other place, just as Copts are indigenous of Egypt and the Yazidis are indigenous of Mesopotamia (Iraq), or the Berbers are indigenous of Morocco.

The Jewish People, as recorded by many Nations' historical documents, are indigenous of the Land of Israel (Ancient Canaan).

Do find a mention of Arab Palestinians in any historical document or drawing, etc. before 2000 years ago as a Nation. Or the mention of Arab Palestinians as a Nation after the 7th Century CE.

Some Muslim Arabs, like the ones who have been calling themselves Palestinians ONLY since 1964, wish to change the history in order to defeat the Jews with lies........that is their problem, not ours.

1400 years of the Arabs "living" anywhere else in the world but Arabia makes them neither Indigenous, nor Native of any of the places they conquered anymore than Europeans can be considered Indigenous or Natives of the lands they conquered after 1492 in the "New World".

Nonsense. There were millions of people living in the Land of Canaan before the Hebrew invasion.
The Canaanites, Chaldeans, Amorities, Urites, Philistine, Phoencians, Akkadians, Nabatians, etc. The Hebrew were never the majority, and never ruled long. Not for more than 200 years. You know as well as I do the Jews would never have let the native Arabs assimilate. They also would never have wanted to. They remained when the Jews left. The Jews always had to leave, and there was always about the same size of population when the Jews left.

And obviously Jews are NOT at all native to Palestine.
They could not have come from there before going to Egypt, because the Jordan river never had a drought like what caused the Hebrew tribes to go to Egypt.
And the DNA is all wrong.
The natives are the Palestinians, who are the descendants of the Canaanites, Chaldeans, Amorities, Urites, Philistine, Phoencians, Akkadians, Nabatians, etc., who where in Palestine for over 8000 years. Jews have different DNA, so clearly did not originate from Palestine, and were never native there.

And by the way, there has always been a Palestine since about 1250 BC. It was named for the Philistines and Phoenicians.
The Ottoman Empire called it Palestine. The 1920 Treaty of Sevres called it Palestine. So clearly you are completely wrong to say it only started around 1964. I remember the earlier wars, and I remember it always being Palestine. You clearly are just making things up.

 

[Rigby5]

There are many possible criteria for self determination, but Israel fails them all.

Cool. List them then, in concrete, objective terms.

A peoples are eligible for sovereignty IF....

A peoples are prohibited from sovereignty IF...

People are eligible for sovereignty if they are native, indigenous, the majority, and have not abused people.
People are prohibited from sovereignty if they are not native but recent immigrants, are not indigenous, are a minority, and have a history of abusing others and authority.

 

[Rigby5]

The Canaanites were Arab, (and actually all Semitic people like Hebrew are Arabs), and the Canaanites were in the Land of Canaan at least back to 8,000 BC. That is well before any Canaanites or other Arabs went to the Arabian Peninsula.

Wait, what?! Are you trying to argue that the Arab peoples originated in the Levant and immigrated TO the Arabian Peninsula?! And then returned?

Of course Arabs, like everyone else, came from Africa. And the Land of Canaan is where they migrated to first, before later then also expanding into the Arabian Peninsula.

That is obvious from DNA testing because the Arab in Palestine are unique, and that can only happen if they are older.

But they clearly did NOT return.
Because there was NEVER any movement from the Arabian Peninsula to Palestine.
It never happened.
There were conquests out of the Arabian Peninsula that spread Arabic, but it was not at all a migration.
Just like there were conquests out of the Arabian Peninsula across Libya, Morocco, the Iberian Peninsula, etc., but there are no Arabs from the Arabian Peninsula in any of those places. Egypt is populated by Arabs as well, but they did NOT come from the Arabian Peninsula. There was NEVER any migration out of the Arabian Peninsula.

 

[Rigby5]

Totally and completely wrong!
Palestine was named after the Philistine and Phoenician city states, and existed hundreds of years berfore the Hebrew invasion around 1000 BC.
It is NOT at all the Hebrew homeland, and their massacre of Canaanites like at Jericho, deny them having any right to the region at all. Not only did the Hebrew leave when the Romans forced them out, but previously the Assyrian and Babylonians got fed up and made them leave as well. Later the Crusaders also wiped them out, and it was only the Moslem protection that allowed some Jews to return. But in 1900, the population was only about 5% Jewish in all of Palestine. Even in Jerusalem the majority was always Muslim Arab.

And only an ignorant person would say that Arabs are from the Arabian peninsula or that the Palestinan Arabs came from there. Anyone who knows any history at all know that the Arab in the Arabian Peninsula came from Palestine, and that the Palestinians, like the Canaanites, Akkadians, Amorites, Urites, Philistine, Phoenicians, Nabatians, Chaldeans, etc., all predated the Arabian Peninsula and are the original Palestine natives.
The ONLY thing they got from the Arabian Peninsula was the unified language of Arabic.

It is not at all hard to understand the British Mandate for Palestine.
Since you clearly do not understand it, try reading the Churchill White Paper of 1922, that was intended to make most clear.

The Avalon Project : British White Paper of June 1922
{...
The tension which has prevailed from time to time in Palestine is mainly due to apprehensions, which are entertained both by sections of the Arab and by sections of the Jewish population. These apprehensions, so far as the Arabs are concerned are partly based upon exaggerated interpretations of the meaning of the [Balfour] Declaration favouring the establishment of a Jewish National Home in Palestine, made on behalf of His Majesty's Government on 2nd November, 1917.

Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab deegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language, or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded `in Palestine.' In this connection it has been observed with satisfaction that at a meeting of the Zionist Congress, the supreme governing body of the Zionist Organization, held at Carlsbad in September, 1921, a resolution was passed expressing as the official statement of Zionist aims "the determination of the Jewish people to live with the Arab people on terms of unity and mutual respect, and together with them to make the common home into a flourishing community, the upbuilding of which may assure to each of its peoples an undisturbed national development."

It is also necessary to point out that the Zionist Commission in Palestine, now termed the Palestine Zionist Executive, has not desired to possess, and does not possess, any share in the general administration of the country. Nor does the special position assigned to the Zionist Organization in Article IV of the Draft Mandate for Palestine imply any such functions. That special position relates to the measures to be taken in Palestine affecting the Jewish population, and contemplates that the organization may assist in the general development of the country, but does not entitle it to share in any degree in its government.

Further, it is contemplated that the status of all citizens of Palestine in the eyes of the law shall be Palestinian, and it has never been intended that they, or any section of them, should possess any other juridical status. So far as the Jewish population of Palestine are concerned it appears that some among them are apprehensive that His Majesty's Government may depart from the policy embodied in the Declaration of 1917. It is necessary, therefore, once more to affirm that these fears are unfounded, and that that Declaration, re affirmed by the Conference of the Principle Allied Powers at San Remo and again in the Treaty of Sevres, is not susceptible of change.

During the last two or three generations the Jews have recreated in Palestine a community, now numbering 80,000
...}

The Arabs DO come from Arabia, and they came not only in the 7th century, but only fairly recently as well, after Zionist Jews built up the country and made it prosperous. At least you admit that the Jews used to live in Judea/ Israel, many others deny us even THAT, despite the overwhelming evidence. You are right when you say we were forced out by the Romans--after no less than 3 rebellions for our freedom. The Arch of Titus in Italy is evidence of that. HaTikva is Israel's national anthem for a reason--please google the translation of it. (The melody is beautiful as well.) The Canaanites are no longer in existence. Between us and the Palestinian Arabs, WE are the indigenous ppl of that land.

Wrong. Totally and completely wrong.
The Canaanites were Arab, (and actually all Semitic people like Hebrew are Arabs), and the Canaanites were in the Land of Canaan at least back to 8,000 BC. That is well before any Canaanites or other Arabs went to the Arabian Peninsula.

And what you claim about Arabs being recent immigrants is just silly.
Just look at the 1920 census data, and you see that back before the region was very prosperous, there were only 63,000 Jews out of a population of about 2 million. So clearly it was an Arab country completely before the Jewish immigration around WWII. And even with that Jewish immigration, the population was only about a third Jewish, and it is still only about a third Jewish.

When the Romans, Babylonians, Assyrians kicked the Jews out, Palestine was not deserted. The population remained about the same. That is because the Jews were never the majority anywhere in Palestine.
And yes, the Canaanites, Akkadians, Chaldeans, Philistines, Phoenicians, Urites, Amorites, Nabatians, etc., most certainly are in existence. They never left.

Jews are NOT the natives of Palestine. It is clear that before going to Egypt, they lived in the Sinai, and that is where they are native to.

"The Right to Destroy Jewish History"

At least the Muslims Arabs are trying.....and trying.....and trying......

Palestinian fabrication: Canaanites were Arabs - Video

That is silly.
The Canaanites never left Palestine. Neither did the Akkadians, Chaldeans, Nabatians, Urites, Amorites, Philistines, Phoenicians, etc.

We are not saying that the Canaanites left Canaan.

You are saying that the Canaanites were Arabs.

So, when did the Arabs get to Arabia and turned into the Arabian Peninsula?

You are not even aware that the Philistines were not a tribe indigenous of Canaan, are you?

Arabs from the Levant likely entered the Arabian Peninsula around 4000 BC.
But the Canaanites go back to before 8000 BC in places like Jericho.
The Philistines obviously have Greek influences, but adopted an Arab/Semitic language, and became totally native.
They were fairly recent, around 1250 BC, but that is still hundreds of years before the Hebrew got there.
So the Philistines are more indigenous than the Hebrew.

 

[Sixties Fan]

You obviously have never read the Treaty of Severe.
It clearly says the inhabitants were to be given independent sovereignty, and that Jews were only to be allowed facilitated immigration to a local homeland INSIDE of Palestine, which was to be ruled by the native Arabs.

{...
ARTICLE 95.


The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory to be selected by the said Powers. The Mandatory will be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2, 1917, by the British Government, and adopted by the other Allied Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.
...}

Section I, Articles 1 - 260 - World War I Document Archive

There is no way to even remotely interpret the Treaty of Sevres as giving Jewish immigrants sovereignty over the native Arab majority.
It clearly says the civil rights of non-Jews in Palestine were not to be infringed.
That means the native Arab Majority was to have sovereignty, not the immigrant Jewish minority.

I read it very clearly.

Palestine is a region, named by the Romans to make the Jewish Nation forget their homeland. It did not work and Jews continued to live on the land through the Romans, the Byzantine, the Muslims (Arabs), Crusaders and the Ottoman invasion and conquest during all of those 2000 since the Roman invasion.

You may try to make the Arabs the native people of the land all you like. They totally do not agree with you as they will tell you that their native land is called the Arabian Peninsula.

You seem to want to understand only what you wish to understand out of the Mandate for Palestine. Or any of the other three Mandates.

So be it.

Denialism is a region of the mind most preferred by those who reject the Jewish Nation/People's right to sovereignty on their own Ancient Land.

Totally and completely wrong!
Palestine was named after the Philistine and Phoenician city states, and existed hundreds of years berfore the Hebrew invasion around 1000 BC.
It is NOT at all the Hebrew homeland, and their massacre of Canaanites like at Jericho, deny them having any right to the region at all. Not only did the Hebrew leave when the Romans forced them out, but previously the Assyrian and Babylonians got fed up and made them leave as well. Later the Crusaders also wiped them out, and it was only the Moslem protection that allowed some Jews to return. But in 1900, the population was only about 5% Jewish in all of Palestine. Even in Jerusalem the majority was always Muslim Arab.

And only an ignorant person would say that Arabs are from the Arabian peninsula or that the Palestinan Arabs came from there. Anyone who knows any history at all know that the Arab in the Arabian Peninsula came from Palestine, and that the Palestinians, like the Canaanites, Akkadians, Amorites, Urites, Philistine, Phoenicians, Nabatians, Chaldeans, etc., all predated the Arabian Peninsula and are the original Palestine natives.
The ONLY thing they got from the Arabian Peninsula was the unified language of Arabic.

It is not at all hard to understand the British Mandate for Palestine.
Since you clearly do not understand it, try reading the Churchill White Paper of 1922, that was intended to make most clear.

The Avalon Project : British White Paper of June 1922
{...
The tension which has prevailed from time to time in Palestine is mainly due to apprehensions, which are entertained both by sections of the Arab and by sections of the Jewish population. These apprehensions, so far as the Arabs are concerned are partly based upon exaggerated interpretations of the meaning of the [Balfour] Declaration favouring the establishment of a Jewish National Home in Palestine, made on behalf of His Majesty's Government on 2nd November, 1917.

Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab deegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language, or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded `in Palestine.' In this connection it has been observed with satisfaction that at a meeting of the Zionist Congress, the supreme governing body of the Zionist Organization, held at Carlsbad in September, 1921, a resolution was passed expressing as the official statement of Zionist aims "the determination of the Jewish people to live with the Arab people on terms of unity and mutual respect, and together with them to make the common home into a flourishing community, the upbuilding of which may assure to each of its peoples an undisturbed national development."

It is also necessary to point out that the Zionist Commission in Palestine, now termed the Palestine Zionist Executive, has not desired to possess, and does not possess, any share in the general administration of the country. Nor does the special position assigned to the Zionist Organization in Article IV of the Draft Mandate for Palestine imply any such functions. That special position relates to the measures to be taken in Palestine affecting the Jewish population, and contemplates that the organization may assist in the general development of the country, but does not entitle it to share in any degree in its government.

Further, it is contemplated that the status of all citizens of Palestine in the eyes of the law shall be Palestinian, and it has never been intended that they, or any section of them, should possess any other juridical status. So far as the Jewish population of Palestine are concerned it appears that some among them are apprehensive that His Majesty's Government may depart from the policy embodied in the Declaration of 1917. It is necessary, therefore, once more to affirm that these fears are unfounded, and that that Declaration, re affirmed by the Conference of the Principle Allied Powers at San Remo and again in the Treaty of Sevres, is not susceptible of change.

During the last two or three generations the Jews have recreated in Palestine a community, now numbering 80,000
...}

The Arabs DO come from Arabia, and they came not only in the 7th century, but only fairly recently as well, after Zionist Jews built up the country and made it prosperous. At least you admit that the Jews used to live in Judea/ Israel, many others deny us even THAT, despite the overwhelming evidence. You are right when you say we were forced out by the Romans--after no less than 3 rebellions for our freedom. The Arch of Titus in Italy is evidence of that. HaTikva is Israel's national anthem for a reason--please google the translation of it. (The melody is beautiful as well.) The Canaanites are no longer in existence. Between us and the Palestinian Arabs, WE are the indigenous ppl of that land.

The Arabs have been mostly present in the Land of Israel from the 7th century CE on. The Husseini clan came around the 10th Century CE.
Not all Jews were taken to Rome after the revolts, anymore than "all" Israelites were taken to Babylon centuries before.

Many were still living there, they simply could not go into Jerusalem to keep the Jews from revolting again (it was an Arab Muslim who allowed Jews to live in Jerusalem again in the 7th Century CE)

The Canaanites did not disappear. They eventually became part of the Nation of Israel.

The Canaanite tribes identity, and the Phillistines as well, may have disappeared, but they did remain in the area becoming part of Israel or any other Nation at the time.

The first time I have read of Arabs in the Land of Israel (Canaan),was during the Roman times, when that Empire used one tribe or another, or mercenary groups, to help the Romans put down the Jewish revolts all the way up to Bar Kochba.
I have not found any mention of them afterwards.

The Jewish People/Nation created a Nation 3000 years ago, and have remained on it all the way to the present.

Arabs, once Islam was created in Arabia, came to the land, and all other lands as invaders from the 7th century CE on and only became an "Arab Nation' because of Muhammad and his creation of Islam. They are indigenous of Arabia and no other place, just as Copts are indigenous of Egypt and the Yazidis are indigenous of Mesopotamia (Iraq), or the Berbers are indigenous of Morocco.

The Jewish People, as recorded by many Nations' historical documents, are indigenous of the Land of Israel (Ancient Canaan).

Do find a mention of Arab Palestinians in any historical document or drawing, etc. before 2000 years ago as a Nation. Or the mention of Arab Palestinians as a Nation after the 7th Century CE.

Some Muslim Arabs, like the ones who have been calling themselves Palestinians ONLY since 1964, wish to change the history in order to defeat the Jews with lies........that is their problem, not ours.

1400 years of the Arabs "living" anywhere else in the world but Arabia makes them neither Indigenous, nor Native of any of the places they conquered anymore than Europeans can be considered Indigenous or Natives of the lands they conquered after 1492 in the "New World".

Nonsense. There were millions of people living in the Land of Canaan before the Hebrew invasion.
The Canaanites, Chaldeans, Amorities, Urites, Philistine, Phoencians, Akkadians, Nabatians, etc. The Hebrew were never the majority, and never ruled long. Not for more than 200 years. You know as well as I do the Jews would never have let the native Arabs assimilate. They also would never have wanted to. They remained when the Jews left. The Jews always had to leave, and there was always about the same size of population when the Jews left.

And obviously Jews are NOT at all native to Palestine.
They could not have come from there before going to Egypt, because the Jordan river never had a drought like what caused the Hebrew tribes to go to Egypt.
And the DNA is all wrong.
The natives are the Palestinians, who are the descendants of the Canaanites, Chaldeans, Amorities, Urites, Philistine, Phoencians, Akkadians, Nabatians, etc., who where in Palestine for over 8000 years. Jews have different DNA, so clearly did not originate from Palestine, and were never native there.

And by the way, there has always been a Palestine since about 1250 BC. It was named for the Philistines and Phoenicians.
The Ottoman Empire called it Palestine. The 1920 Treaty of Sevres called it Palestine. So clearly you are completely wrong to say it only started around 1964. I remember the earlier wars, and I remember it always being Palestine. You clearly are just making things up.

Wow !

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Canaanites were Arab, (and actually all Semitic people like Hebrew are Arabs), and the Canaanites were in the Land of Canaan at least back to 8,000 BC. That is well before any Canaanites or other Arabs went to the Arabian Peninsula.

Wait, what?! Are you trying to argue that the Arab peoples originated in the Levant and immigrated TO the Arabian Peninsula?! And then returned?

Of course Arabs, like everyone else, came from Africa. And the Land of Canaan is where they migrated to first, before later then also expanding into the Arabian Peninsula.

That is obvious from DNA testing because the Arab in Palestine are unique, and that can only happen if they are older.

But they clearly did NOT return.
Because there was NEVER any movement from the Arabian Peninsula to Palestine.
It never happened.
There were conquests out of the Arabian Peninsula that spread Arabic, but it was not at all a migration.
Just like there were conquests out of the Arabian Peninsula across Libya, Morocco, the Iberian Peninsula, etc., but there are no Arabs from the Arabian Peninsula in any of those places. Egypt is populated by Arabs as well, but they did NOT come from the Arabian Peninsula. There was NEVER any migration out of the Arabian Peninsula.

Wow!

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Arabs DO come from Arabia, and they came not only in the 7th century, but only fairly recently as well, after Zionist Jews built up the country and made it prosperous. At least you admit that the Jews used to live in Judea/ Israel, many others deny us even THAT, despite the overwhelming evidence. You are right when you say we were forced out by the Romans--after no less than 3 rebellions for our freedom. The Arch of Titus in Italy is evidence of that. HaTikva is Israel's national anthem for a reason--please google the translation of it. (The melody is beautiful as well.) The Canaanites are no longer in existence. Between us and the Palestinian Arabs, WE are the indigenous ppl of that land.

Wrong. Totally and completely wrong.
The Canaanites were Arab, (and actually all Semitic people like Hebrew are Arabs), and the Canaanites were in the Land of Canaan at least back to 8,000 BC. That is well before any Canaanites or other Arabs went to the Arabian Peninsula.

And what you claim about Arabs being recent immigrants is just silly.
Just look at the 1920 census data, and you see that back before the region was very prosperous, there were only 63,000 Jews out of a population of about 2 million. So clearly it was an Arab country completely before the Jewish immigration around WWII. And even with that Jewish immigration, the population was only about a third Jewish, and it is still only about a third Jewish.

When the Romans, Babylonians, Assyrians kicked the Jews out, Palestine was not deserted. The population remained about the same. That is because the Jews were never the majority anywhere in Palestine.
And yes, the Canaanites, Akkadians, Chaldeans, Philistines, Phoenicians, Urites, Amorites, Nabatians, etc., most certainly are in existence. They never left.

Jews are NOT the natives of Palestine. It is clear that before going to Egypt, they lived in the Sinai, and that is where they are native to.

"The Right to Destroy Jewish History"

At least the Muslims Arabs are trying.....and trying.....and trying......

Palestinian fabrication: Canaanites were Arabs - Video

That is silly.
The Canaanites never left Palestine. Neither did the Akkadians, Chaldeans, Nabatians, Urites, Amorites, Philistines, Phoenicians, etc.

We are not saying that the Canaanites left Canaan.

You are saying that the Canaanites were Arabs.

So, when did the Arabs get to Arabia and turned into the Arabian Peninsula?

You are not even aware that the Philistines were not a tribe indigenous of Canaan, are you?

Arabs from the Levant likely entered the Arabian Peninsula around 4000 BC.
But the Canaanites go back to before 8000 BC in places like Jericho.
The Philistines obviously have Greek influences, but adopted an Arab/Semitic language, and became totally native.
They were fairly recent, around 1250 BC, but that is still hundreds of years before the Hebrew got there.
So the Philistines are more indigenous than the Hebrew.

Wow!

 

[Ria_Longhorn]

I read it very clearly.

Palestine is a region, named by the Romans to make the Jewish Nation forget their homeland. It did not work and Jews continued to live on the land through the Romans, the Byzantine, the Muslims (Arabs), Crusaders and the Ottoman invasion and conquest during all of those 2000 since the Roman invasion.

You may try to make the Arabs the native people of the land all you like. They totally do not agree with you as they will tell you that their native land is called the Arabian Peninsula.

You seem to want to understand only what you wish to understand out of the Mandate for Palestine. Or any of the other three Mandates.

So be it.

Denialism is a region of the mind most preferred by those who reject the Jewish Nation/People's right to sovereignty on their own Ancient Land.

Totally and completely wrong!
Palestine was named after the Philistine and Phoenician city states, and existed hundreds of years berfore the Hebrew invasion around 1000 BC.
It is NOT at all the Hebrew homeland, and their massacre of Canaanites like at Jericho, deny them having any right to the region at all. Not only did the Hebrew leave when the Romans forced them out, but previously the Assyrian and Babylonians got fed up and made them leave as well. Later the Crusaders also wiped them out, and it was only the Moslem protection that allowed some Jews to return. But in 1900, the population was only about 5% Jewish in all of Palestine. Even in Jerusalem the majority was always Muslim Arab.

And only an ignorant person would say that Arabs are from the Arabian peninsula or that the Palestinan Arabs came from there. Anyone who knows any history at all know that the Arab in the Arabian Peninsula came from Palestine, and that the Palestinians, like the Canaanites, Akkadians, Amorites, Urites, Philistine, Phoenicians, Nabatians, Chaldeans, etc., all predated the Arabian Peninsula and are the original Palestine natives.
The ONLY thing they got from the Arabian Peninsula was the unified language of Arabic.

It is not at all hard to understand the British Mandate for Palestine.
Since you clearly do not understand it, try reading the Churchill White Paper of 1922, that was intended to make most clear.

The Avalon Project : British White Paper of June 1922
{...
The tension which has prevailed from time to time in Palestine is mainly due to apprehensions, which are entertained both by sections of the Arab and by sections of the Jewish population. These apprehensions, so far as the Arabs are concerned are partly based upon exaggerated interpretations of the meaning of the [Balfour] Declaration favouring the establishment of a Jewish National Home in Palestine, made on behalf of His Majesty's Government on 2nd November, 1917.

Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab deegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language, or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded `in Palestine.' In this connection it has been observed with satisfaction that at a meeting of the Zionist Congress, the supreme governing body of the Zionist Organization, held at Carlsbad in September, 1921, a resolution was passed expressing as the official statement of Zionist aims "the determination of the Jewish people to live with the Arab people on terms of unity and mutual respect, and together with them to make the common home into a flourishing community, the upbuilding of which may assure to each of its peoples an undisturbed national development."

It is also necessary to point out that the Zionist Commission in Palestine, now termed the Palestine Zionist Executive, has not desired to possess, and does not possess, any share in the general administration of the country. Nor does the special position assigned to the Zionist Organization in Article IV of the Draft Mandate for Palestine imply any such functions. That special position relates to the measures to be taken in Palestine affecting the Jewish population, and contemplates that the organization may assist in the general development of the country, but does not entitle it to share in any degree in its government.

Further, it is contemplated that the status of all citizens of Palestine in the eyes of the law shall be Palestinian, and it has never been intended that they, or any section of them, should possess any other juridical status. So far as the Jewish population of Palestine are concerned it appears that some among them are apprehensive that His Majesty's Government may depart from the policy embodied in the Declaration of 1917. It is necessary, therefore, once more to affirm that these fears are unfounded, and that that Declaration, re affirmed by the Conference of the Principle Allied Powers at San Remo and again in the Treaty of Sevres, is not susceptible of change.

During the last two or three generations the Jews have recreated in Palestine a community, now numbering 80,000
...}

The Arabs DO come from Arabia, and they came not only in the 7th century, but only fairly recently as well, after Zionist Jews built up the country and made it prosperous. At least you admit that the Jews used to live in Judea/ Israel, many others deny us even THAT, despite the overwhelming evidence. You are right when you say we were forced out by the Romans--after no less than 3 rebellions for our freedom. The Arch of Titus in Italy is evidence of that. HaTikva is Israel's national anthem for a reason--please google the translation of it. (The melody is beautiful as well.) The Canaanites are no longer in existence. Between us and the Palestinian Arabs, WE are the indigenous ppl of that land.

Wrong. Totally and completely wrong.
The Canaanites were Arab, (and actually all Semitic people like Hebrew are Arabs), and the Canaanites were in the Land of Canaan at least back to 8,000 BC. That is well before any Canaanites or other Arabs went to the Arabian Peninsula.

And what you claim about Arabs being recent immigrants is just silly.
Just look at the 1920 census data, and you see that back before the region was very prosperous, there were only 63,000 Jews out of a population of about 2 million. So clearly it was an Arab country completely before the Jewish immigration around WWII. And even with that Jewish immigration, the population was only about a third Jewish, and it is still only about a third Jewish.

When the Romans, Babylonians, Assyrians kicked the Jews out, Palestine was not deserted. The population remained about the same. That is because the Jews were never the majority anywhere in Palestine.
And yes, the Canaanites, Akkadians, Chaldeans, Philistines, Phoenicians, Urites, Amorites, Nabatians, etc., most certainly are in existence. They never left.

Jews are NOT the natives of Palestine. It is clear that before going to Egypt, they lived in the Sinai, and that is where they are native to.

"The Right to Destroy Jewish History"

At least the Muslims Arabs are trying.....and trying.....and trying......

Palestinian fabrication: Canaanites were Arabs - Video

That is silly.
The Canaanites never left Palestine. Neither did the Akkadians, Chaldeans, Nabatians, Urites, Amorites, Philistines, Phoenicians, etc.

The Land belongs to the Jewish people.

 

[Shusha]

People are eligible for sovereignty if they are native, indigenous, the majority, and have not abused people.

When is America giving up her sovereignty then and to whom should it be transferred?

What happens when an invading peoples changes the majority? Also minority peoples have no rights to sovereignty?

How do you explain places like Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, North and South Korea, Sudan, Catalonia, Tibet, as examples?

What if people are forcibly removed from their territory?

What is the difference between native and indigenous? How can I tell if someone is native or indigenous?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

The Arabs DO come from Arabia, and they came not only in the 7th century, but only fairly recently as well, after Zionist Jews built up the country and made it prosperous. At least you admit that the Jews used to live in Judea/ Israel, many others deny us even THAT, despite the overwhelming evidence. You are right when you say we were forced out by the Romans--after no less than 3 rebellions for our freedom. The Arch of Titus in Italy is evidence of that. HaTikva is Israel's national anthem for a reason--please google the translation of it. (The melody is beautiful as well.) The Canaanites are no longer in existence. Between us and the Palestinian Arabs, WE are the indigenous ppl of that land.

Wrong. Totally and completely wrong.
The Canaanites were Arab, (and actually all Semitic people like Hebrew are Arabs), and the Canaanites were in the Land of Canaan at least back to 8,000 BC. That is well before any Canaanites or other Arabs went to the Arabian Peninsula.

And what you claim about Arabs being recent immigrants is just silly.
Just look at the 1920 census data, and you see that back before the region was very prosperous, there were only 63,000 Jews out of a population of about 2 million. So clearly it was an Arab country completely before the Jewish immigration around WWII. And even with that Jewish immigration, the population was only about a third Jewish, and it is still only about a third Jewish.

When the Romans, Babylonians, Assyrians kicked the Jews out, Palestine was not deserted. The population remained about the same. That is because the Jews were never the majority anywhere in Palestine.
And yes, the Canaanites, Akkadians, Chaldeans, Philistines, Phoenicians, Urites, Amorites, Nabatians, etc., most certainly are in existence. They never left.

Jews are NOT the natives of Palestine. It is clear that before going to Egypt, they lived in the Sinai, and that is where they are native to.

"The Right to Destroy Jewish History"

At least the Muslims Arabs are trying.....and trying.....and trying......

Palestinian fabrication: Canaanites were Arabs - Video

That is silly.
The Canaanites never left Palestine. Neither did the Akkadians, Chaldeans, Nabatians, Urites, Amorites, Philistines, Phoenicians, etc.

We are not saying that the Canaanites left Canaan.

You are saying that the Canaanites were Arabs.

So, when did the Arabs get to Arabia and turned into the Arabian Peninsula?

You are not even aware that the Philistines were not a tribe indigenous of Canaan, are you?

Arabs from the Levant likely entered the Arabian Peninsula around 4000 BC.
But the Canaanites go back to before 8000 BC in places like Jericho.
The Philistines obviously have Greek influences, but adopted an Arab/Semitic language, and became totally native.
They were fairly recent, around 1250 BC, but that is still hundreds of years before the Hebrew got there.
So the Philistines are more indigenous than the Hebrew.

What do you mean when you say "the Philistines have Greek influences but they adopted a Semitic language and became totally native?" The Philistines CAME from Greece, and their very name means "invaders." So why are they indigenous but the Hebrews are not? Hebrew is also a Semitic language. Why did they become "totally native" while the Hebrews, for some reason, didn't become native?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Sigh. The British did not "own" Palestine. No one is arguing that they did. The British also did not have sovereignty over Palestine, per se. No one is arguing that they did.

What they DID have was a Mandate to administer the territory until the people of the territory could become self-governing. The British government and the international community of the time determined that ONE of the peoples -- who needed to be protected until they could develop their own self-government -- was the Jewish people.

And private property ownership has NOTHING to do with sovereignty.

There are a few threads on this board that you should read. And you should also become familiar with the Mandate for Palestine.

The British Mandate for Palestine came from the Treaty of Sevres, which is very clear in that it was the Muslim Arabs who were being given independence and sovereignty in Palestine, not the Jewish People. In fact, the Jews were almost all immigrants, so a quota was established so that they would not immigrate in too large of numbers and cause problems.
But the problem was that too many did immigrate illegally, and they brought arms and trained veterans, who then started massacring Arab villages, like Dier Yassin.

It is true that it was decided that Jews did need protection, but it was NEVER intended to allow Jews to at all have any role in governing the country. They were only supposed to be involved in local government.

And YES, land ownership most certainly DOES have to do with sovereignty.
It is a basic and long standing legal principle that land ownership is the basis for sovereignty.
That is why in the US originally, only land owners could vote.
Land ownership is one of the main ways you determine who is native and who have native rights and sovereignty.
The Jewish immigrants not only did not own hardly any of the land at all, but never even tried to pay for what land they occupied. The Arab refugees are the legal owners of almost all of Israel.

WHICH Treaty of Sevres did you read?

British Mandate for Palestine

Main article: British Mandate of Palestine

The three principles of the British Balfour Declaration regarding Palestine were adopted in the Treaty of Sèvres:

ARTICLE 95: The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory to be selected by the said Powers. The Mandatory will be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on 2 November 1917 by the British Government, and adopted by the other Allied Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

Treaty of Sèvres - Wikipedia


Where does is it mention in that Treaty that:

<<The British Mandate for Palestine came from the Treaty of Sevres, which is very clear in that it was the Muslim Arabs who were being given independence and sovereignty in Palestine, not the Jewish People.>>>

You obviously have never read the Treaty of Severe.
It clearly says the inhabitants were to be given independent sovereignty, and that Jews were only to be allowed facilitated immigration to a local homeland INSIDE of Palestine, which was to be ruled by the native Arabs.

{...
ARTICLE 95.


The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory to be selected by the said Powers. The Mandatory will be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2, 1917, by the British Government, and adopted by the other Allied Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.
...}

Section I, Articles 1 - 260 - World War I Document Archive

There is no way to even remotely interpret the Treaty of Sevres as giving Jewish immigrants sovereignty over the native Arab majority.
It clearly says the civil rights of non-Jews in Palestine were not to be infringed.
That means the native Arab Majority was to have sovereignty, not the immigrant Jewish minority.

I read it very clearly.

Palestine is a region, named by the Romans to make the Jewish Nation forget their homeland. It did not work and Jews continued to live on the land through the Romans, the Byzantine, the Muslims (Arabs), Crusaders and the Ottoman invasion and conquest during all of those 2000 since the Roman invasion.

You may try to make the Arabs the native people of the land all you like. They totally do not agree with you as they will tell you that their native land is called the Arabian Peninsula.

You seem to want to understand only what you wish to understand out of the Mandate for Palestine. Or any of the other three Mandates.

So be it.

Denialism is a region of the mind most preferred by those who reject the Jewish Nation/People's right to sovereignty on their own Ancient Land.

Totally and completely wrong!
Palestine was named after the Philistine and Phoenician city states, and existed hundreds of years berfore the Hebrew invasion around 1000 BC.
It is NOT at all the Hebrew homeland, and their massacre of Canaanites like at Jericho, deny them having any right to the region at all. Not only did the Hebrew leave when the Romans forced them out, but previously the Assyrian and Babylonians got fed up and made them leave as well. Later the Crusaders also wiped them out, and it was only the Moslem protection that allowed some Jews to return. But in 1900, the population was only about 5% Jewish in all of Palestine. Even in Jerusalem the majority was always Muslim Arab.

And only an ignorant person would say that Arabs are from the Arabian peninsula or that the Palestinan Arabs came from there. Anyone who knows any history at all know that the Arab in the Arabian Peninsula came from Palestine, and that the Palestinians, like the Canaanites, Akkadians, Amorites, Urites, Philistine, Phoenicians, Nabatians, Chaldeans, etc., all predated the Arabian Peninsula and are the original Palestine natives.
The ONLY thing they got from the Arabian Peninsula was the unified language of Arabic.

It is not at all hard to understand the British Mandate for Palestine.
Since you clearly do not understand it, try reading the Churchill White Paper of 1922, that was intended to make most clear.

The Avalon Project : British White Paper of June 1922
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The tension which has prevailed from time to time in Palestine is mainly due to apprehensions, which are entertained both by sections of the Arab and by sections of the Jewish population. These apprehensions, so far as the Arabs are concerned are partly based upon exaggerated interpretations of the meaning of the [Balfour] Declaration favouring the establishment of a Jewish National Home in Palestine, made on behalf of His Majesty's Government on 2nd November, 1917.

Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab deegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language, or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded `in Palestine.' In this connection it has been observed with satisfaction that at a meeting of the Zionist Congress, the supreme governing body of the Zionist Organization, held at Carlsbad in September, 1921, a resolution was passed expressing as the official statement of Zionist aims "the determination of the Jewish people to live with the Arab people on terms of unity and mutual respect, and together with them to make the common home into a flourishing community, the upbuilding of which may assure to each of its peoples an undisturbed national development."

It is also necessary to point out that the Zionist Commission in Palestine, now termed the Palestine Zionist Executive, has not desired to possess, and does not possess, any share in the general administration of the country. Nor does the special position assigned to the Zionist Organization in Article IV of the Draft Mandate for Palestine imply any such functions. That special position relates to the measures to be taken in Palestine affecting the Jewish population, and contemplates that the organization may assist in the general development of the country, but does not entitle it to share in any degree in its government.

Further, it is contemplated that the status of all citizens of Palestine in the eyes of the law shall be Palestinian, and it has never been intended that they, or any section of them, should possess any other juridical status. So far as the Jewish population of Palestine are concerned it appears that some among them are apprehensive that His Majesty's Government may depart from the policy embodied in the Declaration of 1917. It is necessary, therefore, once more to affirm that these fears are unfounded, and that that Declaration, re affirmed by the Conference of the Principle Allied Powers at San Remo and again in the Treaty of Sevres, is not susceptible of change.

During the last two or three generations the Jews have recreated in Palestine a community, now numbering 80,000
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Let's look at all these peoples who you say are native to Palestine, while ONLY the Hebrews are not. Phoenicinans lived in Sidon, or what is modern-day Lebanon. Queen Jezebel was formerly a Phoenician princess, daughter of King Ethbaal of Sidon, when she married King Ahab of Israel. Chaldeans were Babylonians from modern-day Iraq. Abraham was born there, so if the Chaldeans were somehow indigenous to Palestine, then so was Abraham. The Akkadians were also from that general area (Iran). The Philistines, from whom Palestine derives its name, were invaders from Greece and are not even Semitic at all while the others are. The Nabatians are the only people, from all those that you mentioned, that were Arabs from Transjordan. I've never heard of the Urites. Now finally, we come to the Canaanites and Amorites (to a lesser degree because the Amorites also lived in other lands) that were native to Canaan/ Israel/ Palestine. The ones who weren't killed off, were assimilated into the Hebrew nation. So my question to you is this: According to you, the Hebrews originated in the Sinai, which is very close to Israel/ Palestine. Why are peoples who come from present-day Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, Iran, and even Greece, native to "Palestine" while the Hebrews, from the Sinai, aren't native to it?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Understanding the Muslim friends and enemies of Israel:

Religion and politics in the feud between Saudi Arabia and Qatar

 

[ForeverYoung436]

I apologize. Googling has informed me that the Akkadians were mostly situated in present-day Iraq and Syria, and not Iran. But I saw no evidence of their presence in Israel/ Palestine.

 

[Sixties Fan]

 

[Sixties Fan]

Satire

Activists Blast IDF For Shooting Down Iranian Drone Instead Of Granting Asylum – PreOccupied Territory

 

[Sixties Fan]

On Monday, the committee discussed security officials' request to introduce a clause granting the government the option of bypassing the law and transferring the funds, even if the Palestinian Authority continues paying salaries to terrorists.

Maimon objected to this proposal saying, "If the government decides to suspend the law and transfer the funds, it doesn't encourage terrorism or give it a prize, it decrees that more Israelis will die."

Maimon spoke about his personal case in which the verdict stated the terrorist purchased the weapons used to carry out the attack from the Palestinian Prisoners' Office.

"For 30 years we've been transferring money to terror, and only in 2018 we begin to deal with this issue; does that make sense?" wondered Maimon.

He referred to the words of one of the speakers who counselled trusting the decision-makers. "We trust them, but how far can our trust go? To continue to do so means another dead Israeli. Money that goes to the Palestinian Authority goes to terror. This issue mustn't be confused. It's not a prize or a gift."

(full article online)

'Transferring money to the PA means Israelis will be killed'