All The News Anti-Israel Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss

[Sixties Fan]

1818: More Jews in Jerusalem than any other group

From "Travels Along the Mediterranean and Parts Adjacent: In Company with the Earl of Belmore, During the Years 1816-17-18: Extending as Far as the Second Cataract of the Nile, Jerusalem, Damascus, Balbec, &c. ..." by Robert Richardson, 1822, p. 256:



1818: More Jews in Jerusalem than any other group ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[Sixties Fan]

Harry's Place » Call for “Unified military effort by Islamic world to remove Zionist occupation” at UCL

 

[Sixties Fan]

http://www.israelhayom.com/2018/02/09/report-unicef-gives-aid-money-to-anti-israel-organizations/

 

[Sixties Fan]

As is well known the Arab nations rejected the Partition Plan en masse and even threatened to use force to oppose it. The recommendation hence became a non-starter and its various clauses immaterial.

However, the BBC’s distortion of the Partition Plan is not limited to Jerusalem. In a multi-part backgrounder titled “A History of Conflict” (which appears to have been available online for around a decade) readers of the entry for 1948 – headed “Establishment of Israel” – find the following:

“The State of Israel, the first Jewish state for nearly 2,000 years, was proclaimed at 1600 on 14 May 1948 in Tel Aviv. The declaration came into effect the following day as the last British troops withdrew. Palestinians remember 15 May as “al-Nakba”, or the Catastrophe.

The year had begun with Jewish and Arab armies each staging attacks on territory held by the other side. Jewish forces, backed by the Irgun and Lehi militant groups made more progress, seizing areas alloted [sic] to the Jewish state but also conquering substantialterritories allocated for the Palestinian one.” [emphasis added]

The idea of partitioning the territory into two separate states – one Jewish and one Arab – was raised by the Peel Commission in 1937 and that plan was of course unanimously rejected by the Arabs while still on paper. When the idea was raided again in 1947 within the framework of the Partition Plan, the same negative response was received and the proposal was therefore rendered irrelevant.

The BBC’s claim that “territories” had been “allocated” to a Palestinian state in early 1948 – and that “Jewish forces” conquered them – is therefore disingenuous, inaccurate and misleading.

(full article online)

How the BBC invented territory ‘allocated’ to a Palestinian state

 

[Sixties Fan]

A meeting at the 'Palestinian office of employment' takes an unexpected turn....

 

[P F Tinmore]

As is well known the Arab nations rejected the Partition Plan en masse and even threatened to use force to oppose it. The recommendation hence became a non-starter and its various clauses immaterial.

However, the BBC’s distortion of the Partition Plan is not limited to Jerusalem. In a multi-part backgrounder titled “A History of Conflict” (which appears to have been available online for around a decade) readers of the entry for 1948 – headed “Establishment of Israel” – find the following:

“The State of Israel, the first Jewish state for nearly 2,000 years, was proclaimed at 1600 on 14 May 1948 in Tel Aviv. The declaration came into effect the following day as the last British troops withdrew. Palestinians remember 15 May as “al-Nakba”, or the Catastrophe.

The year had begun with Jewish and Arab armies each staging attacks on territory held by the other side. Jewish forces, backed by the Irgun and Lehi militant groups made more progress, seizing areas alloted [sic] to the Jewish state but also conquering substantialterritories allocated for the Palestinian one.” [emphasis added]

The idea of partitioning the territory into two separate states – one Jewish and one Arab – was raised by the Peel Commission in 1937 and that plan was of course unanimously rejected by the Arabs while still on paper. When the idea was raided again in 1947 within the framework of the Partition Plan, the same negative response was received and the proposal was therefore rendered irrelevant.

The BBC’s claim that “territories” had been “allocated” to a Palestinian state in early 1948 – and that “Jewish forces” conquered them – is therefore disingenuous, inaccurate and misleading.

(full article online)

How the BBC invented territory ‘allocated’ to a Palestinian state

The BBC’s claim that “territories” had been “allocated” to a Palestinian state in early 1948 – and that “Jewish forces” conquered them – is therefore disingenuous, inaccurate and misleading.

This just shows how misinformed most people are. Resolution 181 proposed to partition Palestine into two states. Territory was allocated to each state.

However, Resolution 181 was never implemented so there were no allocated territories. Palestine remained undivided.

 

[Hollie]

As is well known the Arab nations rejected the Partition Plan en masse and even threatened to use force to oppose it. The recommendation hence became a non-starter and its various clauses immaterial.

However, the BBC’s distortion of the Partition Plan is not limited to Jerusalem. In a multi-part backgrounder titled “A History of Conflict” (which appears to have been available online for around a decade) readers of the entry for 1948 – headed “Establishment of Israel” – find the following:

“The State of Israel, the first Jewish state for nearly 2,000 years, was proclaimed at 1600 on 14 May 1948 in Tel Aviv. The declaration came into effect the following day as the last British troops withdrew. Palestinians remember 15 May as “al-Nakba”, or the Catastrophe.

The year had begun with Jewish and Arab armies each staging attacks on territory held by the other side. Jewish forces, backed by the Irgun and Lehi militant groups made more progress, seizing areas alloted [sic] to the Jewish state but also conquering substantialterritories allocated for the Palestinian one.” [emphasis added]

The idea of partitioning the territory into two separate states – one Jewish and one Arab – was raised by the Peel Commission in 1937 and that plan was of course unanimously rejected by the Arabs while still on paper. When the idea was raided again in 1947 within the framework of the Partition Plan, the same negative response was received and the proposal was therefore rendered irrelevant.

The BBC’s claim that “territories” had been “allocated” to a Palestinian state in early 1948 – and that “Jewish forces” conquered them – is therefore disingenuous, inaccurate and misleading.

(full article online)

How the BBC invented territory ‘allocated’ to a Palestinian state

The BBC’s claim that “territories” had been “allocated” to a Palestinian state in early 1948 – and that “Jewish forces” conquered them – is therefore disingenuous, inaccurate and misleading.

This just shows how misinformed most people are. Resolution 181 proposed to partition Palestine into two states. Territory was allocated to each state.

However, Resolution 181 was never implemented so there were no allocated territories. Palestine remained undivided.

Your program of misinformation neglects to acknowledge that the Arabs-Moslems refused to participate.

Nothing prevented the nascent State of Israel from seeking sovereignty and the establishment of Statehood.

The Israelis could. The Arabs-Moslems couldn’t, and still can’t.

 

[P F Tinmore]

As is well known the Arab nations rejected the Partition Plan en masse and even threatened to use force to oppose it. The recommendation hence became a non-starter and its various clauses immaterial.

However, the BBC’s distortion of the Partition Plan is not limited to Jerusalem. In a multi-part backgrounder titled “A History of Conflict” (which appears to have been available online for around a decade) readers of the entry for 1948 – headed “Establishment of Israel” – find the following:

“The State of Israel, the first Jewish state for nearly 2,000 years, was proclaimed at 1600 on 14 May 1948 in Tel Aviv. The declaration came into effect the following day as the last British troops withdrew. Palestinians remember 15 May as “al-Nakba”, or the Catastrophe.

The year had begun with Jewish and Arab armies each staging attacks on territory held by the other side. Jewish forces, backed by the Irgun and Lehi militant groups made more progress, seizing areas alloted [sic] to the Jewish state but also conquering substantialterritories allocated for the Palestinian one.” [emphasis added]

The idea of partitioning the territory into two separate states – one Jewish and one Arab – was raised by the Peel Commission in 1937 and that plan was of course unanimously rejected by the Arabs while still on paper. When the idea was raided again in 1947 within the framework of the Partition Plan, the same negative response was received and the proposal was therefore rendered irrelevant.

The BBC’s claim that “territories” had been “allocated” to a Palestinian state in early 1948 – and that “Jewish forces” conquered them – is therefore disingenuous, inaccurate and misleading.

(full article online)

How the BBC invented territory ‘allocated’ to a Palestinian state

The BBC’s claim that “territories” had been “allocated” to a Palestinian state in early 1948 – and that “Jewish forces” conquered them – is therefore disingenuous, inaccurate and misleading.

This just shows how misinformed most people are. Resolution 181 proposed to partition Palestine into two states. Territory was allocated to each state.

However, Resolution 181 was never implemented so there were no allocated territories. Palestine remained undivided.

Your program of misinformation neglects to acknowledge that the Arabs-Moslems refused to participate.

Nothing prevented the nascent State of Israel from seeking sovereignty and the establishment of Statehood.

The Israelis could. The Arabs-Moslems couldn’t, and still can’t.

It doesn't matter.

No territory was allotted to Israel.

 

[Hollie]

As is well known the Arab nations rejected the Partition Plan en masse and even threatened to use force to oppose it. The recommendation hence became a non-starter and its various clauses immaterial.

However, the BBC’s distortion of the Partition Plan is not limited to Jerusalem. In a multi-part backgrounder titled “A History of Conflict” (which appears to have been available online for around a decade) readers of the entry for 1948 – headed “Establishment of Israel” – find the following:

“The State of Israel, the first Jewish state for nearly 2,000 years, was proclaimed at 1600 on 14 May 1948 in Tel Aviv. The declaration came into effect the following day as the last British troops withdrew. Palestinians remember 15 May as “al-Nakba”, or the Catastrophe.

The year had begun with Jewish and Arab armies each staging attacks on territory held by the other side. Jewish forces, backed by the Irgun and Lehi militant groups made more progress, seizing areas alloted [sic] to the Jewish state but also conquering substantialterritories allocated for the Palestinian one.” [emphasis added]

The idea of partitioning the territory into two separate states – one Jewish and one Arab – was raised by the Peel Commission in 1937 and that plan was of course unanimously rejected by the Arabs while still on paper. When the idea was raided again in 1947 within the framework of the Partition Plan, the same negative response was received and the proposal was therefore rendered irrelevant.

The BBC’s claim that “territories” had been “allocated” to a Palestinian state in early 1948 – and that “Jewish forces” conquered them – is therefore disingenuous, inaccurate and misleading.

(full article online)

How the BBC invented territory ‘allocated’ to a Palestinian state

The BBC’s claim that “territories” had been “allocated” to a Palestinian state in early 1948 – and that “Jewish forces” conquered them – is therefore disingenuous, inaccurate and misleading.

This just shows how misinformed most people are. Resolution 181 proposed to partition Palestine into two states. Territory was allocated to each state.

However, Resolution 181 was never implemented so there were no allocated territories. Palestine remained undivided.

Your program of misinformation neglects to acknowledge that the Arabs-Moslems refused to participate.

Nothing prevented the nascent State of Israel from seeking sovereignty and the establishment of Statehood.

The Israelis could. The Arabs-Moslems couldn’t, and still can’t.

It doesn't matter.

No territory was allotted to Israel.

Mullah Tinmore needs to understand that nothing prevented the Jewish people from establishing statehood. No allocation was needed.

While you will insist that your invented Islamist paradise aka your imagined “country of Pally’land” was real and extant at the time, only you are responsible for the delusions you cling to.

You Islamics have only yourselves to blame for your failures and ineptitudes.

 

[P F Tinmore]

As is well known the Arab nations rejected the Partition Plan en masse and even threatened to use force to oppose it. The recommendation hence became a non-starter and its various clauses immaterial.

However, the BBC’s distortion of the Partition Plan is not limited to Jerusalem. In a multi-part backgrounder titled “A History of Conflict” (which appears to have been available online for around a decade) readers of the entry for 1948 – headed “Establishment of Israel” – find the following:

“The State of Israel, the first Jewish state for nearly 2,000 years, was proclaimed at 1600 on 14 May 1948 in Tel Aviv. The declaration came into effect the following day as the last British troops withdrew. Palestinians remember 15 May as “al-Nakba”, or the Catastrophe.

The year had begun with Jewish and Arab armies each staging attacks on territory held by the other side. Jewish forces, backed by the Irgun and Lehi militant groups made more progress, seizing areas alloted [sic] to the Jewish state but also conquering substantialterritories allocated for the Palestinian one.” [emphasis added]

The idea of partitioning the territory into two separate states – one Jewish and one Arab – was raised by the Peel Commission in 1937 and that plan was of course unanimously rejected by the Arabs while still on paper. When the idea was raided again in 1947 within the framework of the Partition Plan, the same negative response was received and the proposal was therefore rendered irrelevant.

The BBC’s claim that “territories” had been “allocated” to a Palestinian state in early 1948 – and that “Jewish forces” conquered them – is therefore disingenuous, inaccurate and misleading.

(full article online)

How the BBC invented territory ‘allocated’ to a Palestinian state

The BBC’s claim that “territories” had been “allocated” to a Palestinian state in early 1948 – and that “Jewish forces” conquered them – is therefore disingenuous, inaccurate and misleading.

This just shows how misinformed most people are. Resolution 181 proposed to partition Palestine into two states. Territory was allocated to each state.

However, Resolution 181 was never implemented so there were no allocated territories. Palestine remained undivided.

Your program of misinformation neglects to acknowledge that the Arabs-Moslems refused to participate.

Nothing prevented the nascent State of Israel from seeking sovereignty and the establishment of Statehood.

The Israelis could. The Arabs-Moslems couldn’t, and still can’t.

It doesn't matter.

No territory was allotted to Israel.

Mullah Tinmore needs to understand that nothing prevented the Jewish people from establishing statehood. No allocation was needed.

While you will insist that your invented Islamist paradise aka your imagined “country of Pally’land” was real and extant at the time, only you are responsible for the delusions you cling to.

You Islamics have only yourselves to blame for your failures and ineptitudes.

Israel claimed a state on land it did not have.

Actually Israel did no claim to have any land.

 

[Hollie]

As is well known the Arab nations rejected the Partition Plan en masse and even threatened to use force to oppose it. The recommendation hence became a non-starter and its various clauses immaterial.

However, the BBC’s distortion of the Partition Plan is not limited to Jerusalem. In a multi-part backgrounder titled “A History of Conflict” (which appears to have been available online for around a decade) readers of the entry for 1948 – headed “Establishment of Israel” – find the following:

“The State of Israel, the first Jewish state for nearly 2,000 years, was proclaimed at 1600 on 14 May 1948 in Tel Aviv. The declaration came into effect the following day as the last British troops withdrew. Palestinians remember 15 May as “al-Nakba”, or the Catastrophe.

The year had begun with Jewish and Arab armies each staging attacks on territory held by the other side. Jewish forces, backed by the Irgun and Lehi militant groups made more progress, seizing areas alloted [sic] to the Jewish state but also conquering substantialterritories allocated for the Palestinian one.” [emphasis added]

The idea of partitioning the territory into two separate states – one Jewish and one Arab – was raised by the Peel Commission in 1937 and that plan was of course unanimously rejected by the Arabs while still on paper. When the idea was raided again in 1947 within the framework of the Partition Plan, the same negative response was received and the proposal was therefore rendered irrelevant.

The BBC’s claim that “territories” had been “allocated” to a Palestinian state in early 1948 – and that “Jewish forces” conquered them – is therefore disingenuous, inaccurate and misleading.

(full article online)

How the BBC invented territory ‘allocated’ to a Palestinian state

The BBC’s claim that “territories” had been “allocated” to a Palestinian state in early 1948 – and that “Jewish forces” conquered them – is therefore disingenuous, inaccurate and misleading.

This just shows how misinformed most people are. Resolution 181 proposed to partition Palestine into two states. Territory was allocated to each state.

However, Resolution 181 was never implemented so there were no allocated territories. Palestine remained undivided.

Your program of misinformation neglects to acknowledge that the Arabs-Moslems refused to participate.

Nothing prevented the nascent State of Israel from seeking sovereignty and the establishment of Statehood.

The Israelis could. The Arabs-Moslems couldn’t, and still can’t.

It doesn't matter.

No territory was allotted to Israel.

Mullah Tinmore needs to understand that nothing prevented the Jewish people from establishing statehood. No allocation was needed.

While you will insist that your invented Islamist paradise aka your imagined “country of Pally’land” was real and extant at the time, only you are responsible for the delusions you cling to.

You Islamics have only yourselves to blame for your failures and ineptitudes.

Israel claimed a state on land it did not have.

Actually Israel did no claim to have any land.

Neither did the islamic squatters.

Nothing prevented the Jewish people from establishing statehood. You don’t understand that the intent of the Mandate was establishment of the Jewish National Home.

It was Arab-Moslem ignorance and intransigence that prevented them from establishing statehood.

You whine and moan and pollute every thread with your rabid Jew hatreds and invented versions of history.

 

[Sixties Fan]

As is well known the Arab nations rejected the Partition Plan en masse and even threatened to use force to oppose it. The recommendation hence became a non-starter and its various clauses immaterial.

However, the BBC’s distortion of the Partition Plan is not limited to Jerusalem. In a multi-part backgrounder titled “A History of Conflict” (which appears to have been available online for around a decade) readers of the entry for 1948 – headed “Establishment of Israel” – find the following:

“The State of Israel, the first Jewish state for nearly 2,000 years, was proclaimed at 1600 on 14 May 1948 in Tel Aviv. The declaration came into effect the following day as the last British troops withdrew. Palestinians remember 15 May as “al-Nakba”, or the Catastrophe.

The year had begun with Jewish and Arab armies each staging attacks on territory held by the other side. Jewish forces, backed by the Irgun and Lehi militant groups made more progress, seizing areas alloted [sic] to the Jewish state but also conquering substantialterritories allocated for the Palestinian one.” [emphasis added]

The idea of partitioning the territory into two separate states – one Jewish and one Arab – was raised by the Peel Commission in 1937 and that plan was of course unanimously rejected by the Arabs while still on paper. When the idea was raided again in 1947 within the framework of the Partition Plan, the same negative response was received and the proposal was therefore rendered irrelevant.

The BBC’s claim that “territories” had been “allocated” to a Palestinian state in early 1948 – and that “Jewish forces” conquered them – is therefore disingenuous, inaccurate and misleading.

(full article online)

How the BBC invented territory ‘allocated’ to a Palestinian state

The BBC’s claim that “territories” had been “allocated” to a Palestinian state in early 1948 – and that “Jewish forces” conquered them – is therefore disingenuous, inaccurate and misleading.

This just shows how misinformed most people are. Resolution 181 proposed to partition Palestine into two states. Territory was allocated to each state.

However, Resolution 181 was never implemented so there were no allocated territories. Palestine remained undivided.

Your program of misinformation neglects to acknowledge that the Arabs-Moslems refused to participate.

Nothing prevented the nascent State of Israel from seeking sovereignty and the establishment of Statehood.

The Israelis could. The Arabs-Moslems couldn’t, and still can’t.

It doesn't matter.

No territory was allotted to Israel.

Mullah Tinmore needs to understand that nothing prevented the Jewish people from establishing statehood. No allocation was needed.

While you will insist that your invented Islamist paradise aka your imagined “country of Pally’land” was real and extant at the time, only you are responsible for the delusions you cling to.

You Islamics have only yourselves to blame for your failures and ineptitudes.

Israel claimed a state on land it did not have.

Actually Israel did no claim to have any land.

Wow.....you have found a brand new way of saying something which has nothing to do with reality, something you always run away from.

Now it is Israel, and not the Jewish People. No Mandate. Nothing.

Good one, for those who live in the Jewish hating wonderland you live in.

 

[Shusha]

No territory was allotted to Israel.

Your goalposts have impressive use of transporter beams, Scottie. They disappear and reappear where ever you happen to need them in any given argument but they fail to make a cohesive playing field.

1. The ENTIRE territory of Palestine (sans Jordan) WAS allotted to the Jewish people to form their National Homeland. To say that no territory was allotted to Israel is a blatant rejection of the facts. (Please, don't ask me for the link again. Its been provided a dozen times or more in the past few months. If you want to argue against it, fine -- but asking for the same link over and over and over again just makes you look foolish).

2. The principle of self-determination, as YOU constantly reprimand Team Israel about, does not require an allocation of land prior to the formation of that self-determination. An allocation of land by an external force or influence is not required for a peoples to act upon self-determination. Peoples are not prohibited from having self-determination by the fact that no universal or external force or influence has allotted them land.

 

[Rigby5]

This just shows how misinformed most people are. Resolution 181 proposed to partition Palestine into two states. Territory was allocated to each state.

However, Resolution 181 was never implemented so there were no allocated territories. Palestine remained undivided.

Your program of misinformation neglects to acknowledge that the Arabs-Moslems refused to participate.

Nothing prevented the nascent State of Israel from seeking sovereignty and the establishment of Statehood.

The Israelis could. The Arabs-Moslems couldn’t, and still can’t.

It doesn't matter.

No territory was allotted to Israel.

Mullah Tinmore needs to understand that nothing prevented the Jewish people from establishing statehood. No allocation was needed.

While you will insist that your invented Islamist paradise aka your imagined “country of Pally’land” was real and extant at the time, only you are responsible for the delusions you cling to.

You Islamics have only yourselves to blame for your failures and ineptitudes.

Israel claimed a state on land it did not have.

Actually Israel did no claim to have any land.

Neither did the islamic squatters.

Nothing prevented the Jewish people from establishing statehood. You don’t understand that the intent of the Mandate was establishment of the Jewish National Home.

It was Arab-Moslem ignorance and intransigence that prevented them from establishing statehood.

You whine and moan and pollute every thread with your rabid Jew hatreds and invented versions of history.

The intent of the British Mandate for Palestine was primarily to reward help during WWI against the Ottoman Empire.
And that came primarily from the Arabs.
So the main goal of the British Mandate for Palestine was to give independence to an Arab Palestine, over a million and a half Arab natives.

While Jews were to be given facilitated immigration to this Arab Palestine, to reward them for their spying in WWI, they were never to have any role in government or independence.

Here is the 1922 Churchill Whitepaper that was to clarify any misunderstanding.
The Avalon Project : British White Paper of June 1922

{...
The tension which has prevailed from time to time in Palestine is mainly due to apprehensions, which are entertained both by sections of the Arab and by sections of the Jewish population. These apprehensions, so far as the Arabs are concerned are partly based upon exaggerated interpretations of the meaning of the [Balfour] Declaration favouring the establishment of a Jewish National Home in Palestine, made on behalf of His Majesty's Government on 2nd November, 1917.

Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab deegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language, or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded `in Palestine.' In this connection it has been observed with satisfaction that at a meeting of the Zionist Congress, the supreme governing body of the Zionist Organization, held at Carlsbad in September, 1921, a resolution was passed expressing as the official statement of Zionist aims "the determination of the Jewish people to live with the Arab people on terms of unity and mutual respect, and together with them to make the common home into a flourishing community, the upbuilding of which may assure to each of its peoples an undisturbed national development."

It is also necessary to point out that the Zionist Commission in Palestine, now termed the Palestine Zionist Executive, has not desired to possess, and does not possess, any share in the general administration of the country. Nor does the special position assigned to the Zionist Organization in Article IV of the Draft Mandate for Palestine imply any such functions. That special position relates to the measures to be taken in Palestine affecting the Jewish population, and contemplates that the organization may assist in the general development of the country, but does not entitle it to share in any degree in its government.

Further, it is contemplated that the status of all citizens of Palestine in the eyes of the law shall be Palestinian, and it has never been intended that they, or any section of them, should possess any other juridical status. So far as the Jewish population of Palestine are concerned it appears that some among them are apprehensive that His Majesty's Government may depart from the policy embodied in the Declaration of 1917. It is necessary, therefore, once more to affirm that these fears are unfounded, and that that Declaration, re affirmed by the Conference of the Principle Allied Powers at San Remo and again in the Treaty of Sevres, is not susceptible of change.

During the last two or three generations the Jews have recreated in Palestine a community, now numbering 80,000
...}

 

[Rigby5]

No territory was allotted to Israel.

Your goalposts have impressive use of transporter beams, Scottie. They disappear and reappear where ever you happen to need them in any given argument but they fail to make a cohesive playing field.

1. The ENTIRE territory of Palestine (sans Jordan) WAS allotted to the Jewish people to form their National Homeland. To say that no territory was allotted to Israel is a blatant rejection of the facts. (Please, don't ask me for the link again. Its been provided a dozen times or more in the past few months. If you want to argue against it, fine -- but asking for the same link over and over and over again just makes you look foolish).

2. The principle of self-determination, as YOU constantly reprimand Team Israel about, does not require an allocation of land prior to the formation of that self-determination. An allocation of land by an external force or influence is not required for a peoples to act upon self-determination. Peoples are not prohibited from having self-determination by the fact that no universal or external force or influence has allotted them land.

Totally false.
Jews were given NOTHING at all except the promise of facilitated immigration.
The British did not own Palestine, could not legally give it to anyone else, and absolutely never did.
It always legally belonged to the native Palestinians, and the Arabs were always and still are the vast majority.
The Arabs are the only ones who paid for any land, and are the only ones with deeds and titles.
Almost all the Jews in Israel are illegal squatters who never paid for anything.

 

[Shusha]

Jews were to be given facilitated immigration ... they were never to have any role in government or independence.

Patently untrue.

The Mandate for Palestine reads:

ART. 2.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

ART. 3.
The Mandatory shall, so far as circumstances permit, encourage local autonomy.

ART. 4.
An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

ART. 11.
The Administration of Palestine shall take all necessary measures to safeguard the interests of the community in connection with the development of the country, and, subject to any international obligations accepted by the Mandatory, shall have full power to provide for public ownership or control of any of the natural resources of the country or of the public works, services and utilities established or to be established therein. It shall introduce a land system appropriate to the needs of the country, having regard, among other things, to the desirability of promoting the close settlement and intensive cultivation of the land.

The Administration may arrange with the Jewish agency mentioned in Article 4 to construct or operate, upon fair and equitable terms, any public works, services and utilities, and to develop any of the natural resources of the country, in so far as these matters are not directly undertaken by the Administration. Any such arrangements shall provide that no profits distributed by such agency, directly or indirectly, shall exceed a reasonable rate of interest on the capital, and any further profits shall be utilised by it for the benefit of the country in a manner approved by the Administration.

(emphasis mine)

The Jewish people were explicitly granted a role in the powers of government with the explicit purpose of developing the self-government of the Jewish people.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

No territory was allotted to Israel.

Your goalposts have impressive use of transporter beams, Scottie. They disappear and reappear where ever you happen to need them in any given argument but they fail to make a cohesive playing field.

1. The ENTIRE territory of Palestine (sans Jordan) WAS allotted to the Jewish people to form their National Homeland. To say that no territory was allotted to Israel is a blatant rejection of the facts. (Please, don't ask me for the link again. Its been provided a dozen times or more in the past few months. If you want to argue against it, fine -- but asking for the same link over and over and over again just makes you look foolish).

2. The principle of self-determination, as YOU constantly reprimand Team Israel about, does not require an allocation of land prior to the formation of that self-determination. An allocation of land by an external force or influence is not required for a peoples to act upon self-determination. Peoples are not prohibited from having self-determination by the fact that no universal or external force or influence has allotted them land.

Totally false.
Jews were given NOTHING at all except the promise of facilitated immigration.
The British did not own Palestine, could not legally give it to anyone else, and absolutely never did.
It always legally belonged to the native Palestinians, and the Arabs were always and still are the vast majority.
The Arabs are the only ones who paid for any land, and are the only ones with deeds and titles.
Almost all the Jews in Israel are illegal squatters who never paid for anything.

What good does it do to keep going over the past? Arabs govern over 99% of the Middle East. The Holy Land can surely be divided between the Jewish People (who made the land Holy), and whatever Arabs happen to remain there.

 

[Shusha]

Totally false.
Jews were given NOTHING at all except the promise of facilitated immigration.
The British did not own Palestine, could not legally give it to anyone else, and absolutely never did.
It always legally belonged to the native Palestinians, and the Arabs were always and still are the vast majority.
The Arabs are the only ones who paid for any land, and are the only ones with deeds and titles.
Almost all the Jews in Israel are illegal squatters who never paid for anything.

Sigh. The British did not "own" Palestine. No one is arguing that they did. The British also did not have sovereignty over Palestine, per se. No one is arguing that they did.

What they DID have was a Mandate to administer the territory until the people of the territory could become self-governing. The British government and the international community of the time determined that ONE of the peoples -- who needed to be protected until they could develop their own self-government -- was the Jewish people.

And private property ownership has NOTHING to do with sovereignty.

There are a few threads on this board that you should read. And you should also become familiar with the Mandate for Palestine.

 

[Rigby5]

Jews were to be given facilitated immigration ... they were never to have any role in government or independence.

Patently untrue.

The Mandate for Palestine reads:

ART. 2.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

ART. 3.
The Mandatory shall, so far as circumstances permit, encourage local autonomy.

in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

ART. 11.
The Administration of Palestine shall take all necessary measures to safeguard the interests of the community in connection with the development of the country, and, subject to any international obligations accepted by the Mandatory, shall have full power to provide for public ownership or control of any of the natural resources of the country or of the public works, services and utilities established or to be established therein. It shall introduce a land system appropriate to the needs of the country, having regard, among other things, to the desirability of promoting the close settlement and intensive cultivation of the land.

The Administration may arrange with the Jewish agency mentioned in Article 4 to construct or operate, upon fair and equitable terms, any public works, services and utilities, and to develop any of the natural resources of the country, in so far as these matters are not directly undertaken by the Administration. Any such arrangements shall provide that no profits distributed by such agency, directly or indirectly, shall exceed a reasonable rate of interest on the capital, and any further profits shall be utilised by it for the benefit of the country in a manner approved by the Administration.

(emphasis mine)

The Jewish people were explicitly granted a role in the powers of government with the explicit purpose of developing the self-government of the Jewish people.

That is completely and utterly ridiculous.
The word "homeland" means and has always meant NOT having sovereignty, but to be a district or safe haven inside of another country. For example, South Africa created tribal "homelands" for the Bantu and other tribes, which had absolutely NO sovereignty at all. "Homeland" always mean absolutely NO sovereignty.

And your quotes prove that.
For example:
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ART. 3.
The Mandatory shall, so far as circumstances permit, encourage local autonomy.
...}
Local autonomy is an absolute denial of sovereignty.
It means cities and villages.
Jews were supposed to form local enclaves, inside of an Arab Palestine.

And that is also obvious not only by every single document, including the one you quote, but also any principle of law.
Clearly there were over a million Arab Muslims native to Palestine, who had already owned over 90% of the land.
There is absolutely no way the British could or would have then tried to create an illegal Jewish state.
It is preposterous and criminal to even conceive of such an absurd claim.
And it never happened.
The Balfour Declaration in fact clearly denies any remote possibility for Jewish sovereignty.

 

[Rigby5]

No territory was allotted to Israel.

Your goalposts have impressive use of transporter beams, Scottie. They disappear and reappear where ever you happen to need them in any given argument but they fail to make a cohesive playing field.

1. The ENTIRE territory of Palestine (sans Jordan) WAS allotted to the Jewish people to form their National Homeland. To say that no territory was allotted to Israel is a blatant rejection of the facts. (Please, don't ask me for the link again. Its been provided a dozen times or more in the past few months. If you want to argue against it, fine -- but asking for the same link over and over and over again just makes you look foolish).

2. The principle of self-determination, as YOU constantly reprimand Team Israel about, does not require an allocation of land prior to the formation of that self-determination. An allocation of land by an external force or influence is not required for a peoples to act upon self-determination. Peoples are not prohibited from having self-determination by the fact that no universal or external force or influence has allotted them land.

Totally false.
Jews were given NOTHING at all except the promise of facilitated immigration.
The British did not own Palestine, could not legally give it to anyone else, and absolutely never did.
It always legally belonged to the native Palestinians, and the Arabs were always and still are the vast majority.
The Arabs are the only ones who paid for any land, and are the only ones with deeds and titles.
Almost all the Jews in Israel are illegal squatters who never paid for anything.

What good does it do to keep going over the past? Arabs govern over 99% of the Middle East. The Holy Land can surely be divided between the Jewish People (who made the land Holy), and whatever Arabs happen to remain there.

It is not at all the past.
There still are victims of the purge of Palestinians from their homes who are alive, and there still are the Israeli perpetrators alive. Justice and law do not have expiration dates when property is being illegal held by the criminals who stole it.

And the Jewish people most certainly did NOT create the Holy Land. Jerusalem was built by Canaanites and other Semitic people whom the invading Hebrew tribes attacks and murdered.
There are over 11 million Palestinians Moslems and only 6 million Israeli Jews.
So you have no idea at all what is really going on.
It is attempted genocide of 11 million people by Zionists.