"All Children Are Gifted" another load of crap shoveled by the Left.

[toobfreak]

By your jacked-off way of thinking, nothing can be measured or tested,. You are an idiot.

Lots of things white people believe can be tested cant be.

Right back to the racist bullcrap.

Youre not smart enough to come up with a test to measure intelligence

Ha! You drooling moron, I actually DID develop a comprehensive test which included intelligence and personality back in 1988 and wrote a book on it! What a fucking clueless asshole.

Do you really expect me to believe that?

No. But it is the truth. I could take a picture of the graph that maps all the test data, but it is three feet across (originally drawn on vellum with technical pens and I'd have to do it in a way so that it wasn't all readable because the system is proprietary. But no matter, I could mail you an autographed copy of the book and you'd STILL not believe me.

I'm sorry man. You just said intelligence could be measured. The fallacy in that statement should be obvious to you if you truly wrote a book on the subject. You simply have no way of proving it. You have no clue what it is or how it appears. What exactly did you map and who told you that you mapped the right variables?

Why are you still asking questions already answered in post 32? Really pointless arguing with you what can't be tested or proven, et al., when you'll simply deny anything. You've clearly proven that you're a liar and haven't the first knowledge of raw or native intelligence, testing methods or anything. But I can take a picture of the graph that goes with the book. Copies are printed both in blue line and black line, your choice. It is a big circle full of all kinds of little boxes.

 

[Asclepias]

Lots of things white people believe can be tested cant be.

Right back to the racist bullcrap.

Youre not smart enough to come up with a test to measure intelligence

Ha! You drooling moron, I actually DID develop a comprehensive test which included intelligence and personality back in 1988 and wrote a book on it! What a fucking clueless asshole.

Do you really expect me to believe that?

No. But it is the truth. I could take a picture of the graph that maps all the test data, but it is three feet across (originally drawn on vellum with technical pens and I'd have to do it in a way so that it wasn't all readable because the system is proprietary. But no matter, I could mail you an autographed copy of the book and you'd STILL not believe me.

I'm sorry man. You just said intelligence could be measured. The fallacy in that statement should be obvious to you if you truly wrote a book on the subject. You simply have no way of proving it. You have no clue what it is or how it appears. What exactly did you map and who told you that you mapped the right variables?

Why are you still asking questions already answered in post 32? Really pointless arguing with you what can't be tested or proven, et al., when you'll simply deny anything. You've clearly proven that you're a liar and haven't the first knowledge of raw or native intelligence, testing methods or anything. But I can take a picture of the graph that goes with the book. Copies are printed both in blue line and black line, your choice. It is a big circle full of all kinds of little boxes.

You said a lot of nothing. I just asked you what did you map and who told you that you mapped the right variables. Your post just came off as a long winded deflection.

 

[toobfreak]

Right back to the racist bullcrap.

Ha! You drooling moron, I actually DID develop a comprehensive test which included intelligence and personality back in 1988 and wrote a book on it! What a fucking clueless asshole.

Do you really expect me to believe that?

No. But it is the truth. I could take a picture of the graph that maps all the test data, but it is three feet across (originally drawn on vellum with technical pens and I'd have to do it in a way so that it wasn't all readable because the system is proprietary. But no matter, I could mail you an autographed copy of the book and you'd STILL not believe me.

I'm sorry man. You just said intelligence could be measured. The fallacy in that statement should be obvious to you if you truly wrote a book on the subject. You simply have no way of proving it. You have no clue what it is or how it appears. What exactly did you map and who told you that you mapped the right variables?

Why are you still asking questions already answered in post 32? Really pointless arguing with you what can't be tested or proven, et al., when you'll simply deny anything. You've clearly proven that you're a liar and haven't the first knowledge of raw or native intelligence, testing methods or anything. But I can take a picture of the graph that goes with the book. Copies are printed both in blue line and black line, your choice. It is a big circle full of all kinds of little boxes.

You said a lot of nothing. I just asked you what did you map and who told you that you mapped the right variables. Your post just came off as a long winded deflection.

A lot of nothing? That you may not measure ALL forms of intelligence with ONE test, but you can establish a baseline comparison upon which to measure all people for comparative purposes on most usual forms of intelligence, specifically, math, science, education, thinking, and problem solving. Where it becomes harder is measuring intelligence as it relates to CREATIVITY, as there are so many different forms of creativity, from artistic to musical/interpretiveness to intuitive and inventiveness is NOTHING? Its 100X more than YOU have said! What have you made other than outrageous claims?

You said that intelligence cannot be measured. Then how do we have IQ's? If intelligence cannot be measured, then what are:

Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale
Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children
Stanford-Binet Intelligence Scales
Woodcock-Johnson Tests of Cognitive Abilities
Kaufman Assessment Battery for Children
Cognitive Assessment System
Differential Ability Scales.
Cattell Culture Fair III
Thurstone's Primary Mental Abilities
Kaufman Brief Intelligence Test
Multidimensional Aptitude Battery II and the
Das–Naglieri cognitive assessment system?

Intelligence is certainly measured. No one test may do it perfectly and completely though. Creativity by its nature of "newness" (originality) makes total mapping of it impossible, but much of it can be estimated.

You said I didn't create a cognition-personality chart or book. I've described it to you, offered to show it. Asked which colour (blue or black version) you want to see it in. Now you are getting tiresome and boring and keep dodging the issue as always. What is in this for me? I think we should make this interesting: put up or shut up. I deposit $50 in your Paypal (through USMB) if I can't produce pictures of my chart in the colour you choose, as described, a full view and a close up of a small section as I described it to give some detail of it, and if I can and do, then you leave USMB forever. We'll get Flaccaltenn to oversee it, administer it if he agrees and I either pay you $50 if I've lied, or you get banned forever. Now if you are SO SURE I've lied or exaggerated, there's a free $50 in it for you. All you have to do is contact Flac and have him set it up. Let me know.

Call me a liar? Put up or shut up, asshole. You an expert on intelligence and children? You are lucky you wipe your own ass.

 

[Asclepias]

Do you really expect me to believe that?

No. But it is the truth. I could take a picture of the graph that maps all the test data, but it is three feet across (originally drawn on vellum with technical pens and I'd have to do it in a way so that it wasn't all readable because the system is proprietary. But no matter, I could mail you an autographed copy of the book and you'd STILL not believe me.

I'm sorry man. You just said intelligence could be measured. The fallacy in that statement should be obvious to you if you truly wrote a book on the subject. You simply have no way of proving it. You have no clue what it is or how it appears. What exactly did you map and who told you that you mapped the right variables?

Why are you still asking questions already answered in post 32? Really pointless arguing with you what can't be tested or proven, et al., when you'll simply deny anything. You've clearly proven that you're a liar and haven't the first knowledge of raw or native intelligence, testing methods or anything. But I can take a picture of the graph that goes with the book. Copies are printed both in blue line and black line, your choice. It is a big circle full of all kinds of little boxes.

You said a lot of nothing. I just asked you what did you map and who told you that you mapped the right variables. Your post just came off as a long winded deflection.

A lot of nothing? That you may not measure ALL forms of intelligence with ONE test, but you can establish a baseline comparison upon which to measure all people for comparative purposes on most usual forms of intelligence, specifically, math, science, education, thinking, and problem solving. Where it becomes harder is measuring intelligence as it relates to CREATIVITY, as there are so many different forms of creativity, from artistic to musical/interpretiveness to intuitive and inventiveness is NOTHING? Its 100X more than YOU have said! What have you made other than outrageous claims?

You said that intelligence cannot be measured. Then how do we have IQ's? If intelligence cannot be measured, then what are:

Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale
Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children
Stanford-Binet Intelligence Scales
Woodcock-Johnson Tests of Cognitive Abilities
Kaufman Assessment Battery for Children
Cognitive Assessment System
Differential Ability Scales.
Cattell Culture Fair III
Thurstone's Primary Mental Abilities
Kaufman Brief Intelligence Test
Multidimensional Aptitude Battery II and the
Das–Naglieri cognitive assessment system?

Intelligence is certainly measured. No one test may do it perfectly and completely though. Creativity by its nature of "newness" (originality) makes total mapping of it impossible, but much of it can be estimated.

You said I didn't create a cognition chart or book. I've described it to you, offered to show it. Asked which colour (blue or black version) you want to see it in. Now you are getting tiresome and boring and keep dodging the issue as always. What is in this for me? I think we should make this interesting: put up or shut up. I deposit $50 in your Paypal (through USMB) if I can't produce pictures of my chart in the colour you choose, as described, a full view and a close up of a small section as I described it to give some detail of it, and if I can and do, then you leave USMB forever. We'll get Flaccaltenn to oversee it, administer it if he agrees and I either pay you $50 if I've lied, or you get banned forever. Now if you are SO SURE I've lied or exaggerated, there's a free $50 in it for you. All you have to do is contact Flac and have him set it up. Let me know.

Call me a liar? Put up or shut up, asshole. You an expert on intelligence and children? You are lucky you wipe your own ass.

I already explained why we have the false term IQ. Whites were insecure and needed to feel superior. So they made up a test and found themselves to be superior and smarter. What are the odds that could happen?

 

[toobfreak]

No. But it is the truth. I could take a picture of the graph that maps all the test data, but it is three feet across (originally drawn on vellum with technical pens and I'd have to do it in a way so that it wasn't all readable because the system is proprietary. But no matter, I could mail you an autographed copy of the book and you'd STILL not believe me.

I'm sorry man. You just said intelligence could be measured. The fallacy in that statement should be obvious to you if you truly wrote a book on the subject. You simply have no way of proving it. You have no clue what it is or how it appears. What exactly did you map and who told you that you mapped the right variables?

Why are you still asking questions already answered in post 32? Really pointless arguing with you what can't be tested or proven, et al., when you'll simply deny anything. You've clearly proven that you're a liar and haven't the first knowledge of raw or native intelligence, testing methods or anything. But I can take a picture of the graph that goes with the book. Copies are printed both in blue line and black line, your choice. It is a big circle full of all kinds of little boxes.

You said a lot of nothing. I just asked you what did you map and who told you that you mapped the right variables. Your post just came off as a long winded deflection.

A lot of nothing? That you may not measure ALL forms of intelligence with ONE test, but you can establish a baseline comparison upon which to measure all people for comparative purposes on most usual forms of intelligence, specifically, math, science, education, thinking, and problem solving. Where it becomes harder is measuring intelligence as it relates to CREATIVITY, as there are so many different forms of creativity, from artistic to musical/interpretiveness to intuitive and inventiveness is NOTHING? Its 100X more than YOU have said! What have you made other than outrageous claims?

You said that intelligence cannot be measured. Then how do we have IQ's? If intelligence cannot be measured, then what are:

Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale
Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children
Stanford-Binet Intelligence Scales
Woodcock-Johnson Tests of Cognitive Abilities
Kaufman Assessment Battery for Children
Cognitive Assessment System
Differential Ability Scales.
Cattell Culture Fair III
Thurstone's Primary Mental Abilities
Kaufman Brief Intelligence Test
Multidimensional Aptitude Battery II and the
Das–Naglieri cognitive assessment system?

Intelligence is certainly measured. No one test may do it perfectly and completely though. Creativity by its nature of "newness" (originality) makes total mapping of it impossible, but much of it can be estimated.

You said I didn't create a cognition chart or book. I've described it to you, offered to show it. Asked which colour (blue or black version) you want to see it in. Now you are getting tiresome and boring and keep dodging the issue as always. What is in this for me? I think we should make this interesting: put up or shut up. I deposit $50 in your Paypal (through USMB) if I can't produce pictures of my chart in the colour you choose, as described, a full view and a close up of a small section as I described it to give some detail of it, and if I can and do, then you leave USMB forever. We'll get Flaccaltenn to oversee it, administer it if he agrees and I either pay you $50 if I've lied, or you get banned forever. Now if you are SO SURE I've lied or exaggerated, there's a free $50 in it for you. All you have to do is contact Flac and have him set it up. Let me know.

Call me a liar? Put up or shut up, asshole. You an expert on intelligence and children? You are lucky you wipe your own ass.

I already explained why we have the false term IQ. Whites were insecure and needed to feel superior. So they made up a test and found themselves to be superior and smarter. What are the odds that could happen?

Fucking racist asshole liar dodge. Dance away madly. What are the odds that just because Whites turn out smarter on all general aptitude tests that you'd decide it must be because whites skewed them out of "insecurity?"

 

[Asclepias]

I'm sorry man. You just said intelligence could be measured. The fallacy in that statement should be obvious to you if you truly wrote a book on the subject. You simply have no way of proving it. You have no clue what it is or how it appears. What exactly did you map and who told you that you mapped the right variables?

Why are you still asking questions already answered in post 32? Really pointless arguing with you what can't be tested or proven, et al., when you'll simply deny anything. You've clearly proven that you're a liar and haven't the first knowledge of raw or native intelligence, testing methods or anything. But I can take a picture of the graph that goes with the book. Copies are printed both in blue line and black line, your choice. It is a big circle full of all kinds of little boxes.

You said a lot of nothing. I just asked you what did you map and who told you that you mapped the right variables. Your post just came off as a long winded deflection.

A lot of nothing? That you may not measure ALL forms of intelligence with ONE test, but you can establish a baseline comparison upon which to measure all people for comparative purposes on most usual forms of intelligence, specifically, math, science, education, thinking, and problem solving. Where it becomes harder is measuring intelligence as it relates to CREATIVITY, as there are so many different forms of creativity, from artistic to musical/interpretiveness to intuitive and inventiveness is NOTHING? Its 100X more than YOU have said! What have you made other than outrageous claims?

You said that intelligence cannot be measured. Then how do we have IQ's? If intelligence cannot be measured, then what are:

Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale
Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children
Stanford-Binet Intelligence Scales
Woodcock-Johnson Tests of Cognitive Abilities
Kaufman Assessment Battery for Children
Cognitive Assessment System
Differential Ability Scales.
Cattell Culture Fair III
Thurstone's Primary Mental Abilities
Kaufman Brief Intelligence Test
Multidimensional Aptitude Battery II and the
Das–Naglieri cognitive assessment system?

Intelligence is certainly measured. No one test may do it perfectly and completely though. Creativity by its nature of "newness" (originality) makes total mapping of it impossible, but much of it can be estimated.

You said I didn't create a cognition chart or book. I've described it to you, offered to show it. Asked which colour (blue or black version) you want to see it in. Now you are getting tiresome and boring and keep dodging the issue as always. What is in this for me? I think we should make this interesting: put up or shut up. I deposit $50 in your Paypal (through USMB) if I can't produce pictures of my chart in the colour you choose, as described, a full view and a close up of a small section as I described it to give some detail of it, and if I can and do, then you leave USMB forever. We'll get Flaccaltenn to oversee it, administer it if he agrees and I either pay you $50 if I've lied, or you get banned forever. Now if you are SO SURE I've lied or exaggerated, there's a free $50 in it for you. All you have to do is contact Flac and have him set it up. Let me know.

Call me a liar? Put up or shut up, asshole. You an expert on intelligence and children? You are lucky you wipe your own ass.

I already explained why we have the false term IQ. Whites were insecure and needed to feel superior. So they made up a test and found themselves to be superior and smarter. What are the odds that could happen?

Fucking racist asshole liar dodge. Dance away madly. What are the odds that just because Whites turn out smarter on all general aptitude tests that you'd decide it must be because whites skewed them out of "insecurity?"

The odds are pretty good. Whites always try to skew things so they appear superior. Its their insecurity complex. Thats why they have been repeatedly proven to be liars or the creaters of hoaxes like Piltdown man.

 

[toobfreak]

The odds are pretty good.

Show me they are any more likely than not.

Whites always try to skew things so they appear superior. Its their insecurity complex.

Show that whites always skew things. Show that blacks do not. Show a racial security complex. I'm white and I have no insecurity.

Thats why they have been repeatedly proven to be liars or the creaters of hoaxes like Piltdown man.

Show that the Piltdown man wasn't simply the result of one man committing a fraud just to try to be famous. Show proof of even ONE THING you've said being true and not total bullshit.

 

[MarathonMike]

Just for your edification, the term "gifted" means an IQ of 130 or higher.

It appears like youre horribly behind the times. Its already been proven you cant assign an arbitrary number to someones intelligence because you cant measure intelligence with a test. If youre going to post at least be up on the facts. Also I would like to see where you got that definition from.

Dear LOBOTOMIZED,

Of course you can measure intelligence with a test! You may not measure ALL forms of intelligence with ONE test, but you can establish a baseline comparison upon which to measure all people for comparative purposes on most usual forms of intelligence, specifically, math, science, education, thinking, and problem solving. Where it becomes harder is measuring intelligence as it relates to CREATIVITY, as there are so many different forms of creativity, from artistic to musical/interpretive to intuitive and inventiveness.

Bullshit. For starters you cant measure the fact that someone is thinking about how to safely get home or how to avoid getting jacked by the cops while they are taking the test. There are way too many variables that can affect the persons performance on the test. Lets not even get into the fact that someone used to a different philosophical view of the world will interpret the problem differently than the way the person who wrote the test intended.

By your jacked-off way of thinking, nothing can be measured or tested,. You are an idiot.

Lots of things white people believe can be tested cant be. Youre not smart enough to come up with a test to measure intelligence. Other races understand that whites made up this system to fight their insecurity complex. Thats why whites made sure they were the ones that appeared to be the smartest when they made up the tests.

Let me see. I am going to make a test to measure intelligence. Holy shit! According to this test my race is smarter than all the other races. What are the odds of that?

After a few posts you always manage to steer to the topic back to Race. "ALL children are gifted" is a campaign by the LEFT (not White people) to keep the pipeline to colleges primed with bodies. It gives false hope to parents and for that reason is dangerous. That was the point I was making and I stand by that. It has nothing to do with the Race of the kid. There are gifted kids of all races. There are also kids of all races that are not gifted.

 

[Asclepias]

It appears like youre horribly behind the times. Its already been proven you cant assign an arbitrary number to someones intelligence because you cant measure intelligence with a test. If youre going to post at least be up on the facts. Also I would like to see where you got that definition from.

Dear LOBOTOMIZED,

Of course you can measure intelligence with a test! You may not measure ALL forms of intelligence with ONE test, but you can establish a baseline comparison upon which to measure all people for comparative purposes on most usual forms of intelligence, specifically, math, science, education, thinking, and problem solving. Where it becomes harder is measuring intelligence as it relates to CREATIVITY, as there are so many different forms of creativity, from artistic to musical/interpretive to intuitive and inventiveness.

Bullshit. For starters you cant measure the fact that someone is thinking about how to safely get home or how to avoid getting jacked by the cops while they are taking the test. There are way too many variables that can affect the persons performance on the test. Lets not even get into the fact that someone used to a different philosophical view of the world will interpret the problem differently than the way the person who wrote the test intended.

By your jacked-off way of thinking, nothing can be measured or tested,. You are an idiot.

Lots of things white people believe can be tested cant be. Youre not smart enough to come up with a test to measure intelligence. Other races understand that whites made up this system to fight their insecurity complex. Thats why whites made sure they were the ones that appeared to be the smartest when they made up the tests.

Let me see. I am going to make a test to measure intelligence. Holy shit! According to this test my race is smarter than all the other races. What are the odds of that?

After a few posts you always manage to steer to the topic back to Race. "ALL children are gifted" is a campaign by the LEFT (not White people) to keep the pipeline to colleges primed with bodies. It gives false hope to parents and for that reason is dangerous. That was the point I was making and I stand by that. It has nothing to do with the Race of the kid. There are gifted kids of all races. There are also kids of all races that are not gifted.

Whites made up the concept of IQ not me. A white person claimed IQ was the measuring stick not me.

I never said anything about gifted kids only being Black. I dont even know where you got that idea.

You dont have to be gifted to go to college so your premise is really faulty even it it may be partially true.

 

[toobfreak]

Dear LOBOTOMIZED,

Of course you can measure intelligence with a test! You may not measure ALL forms of intelligence with ONE test, but you can establish a baseline comparison upon which to measure all people for comparative purposes on most usual forms of intelligence, specifically, math, science, education, thinking, and problem solving. Where it becomes harder is measuring intelligence as it relates to CREATIVITY, as there are so many different forms of creativity, from artistic to musical/interpretive to intuitive and inventiveness.

Bullshit. For starters you cant measure the fact that someone is thinking about how to safely get home or how to avoid getting jacked by the cops while they are taking the test. There are way too many variables that can affect the persons performance on the test. Lets not even get into the fact that someone used to a different philosophical view of the world will interpret the problem differently than the way the person who wrote the test intended.

By your jacked-off way of thinking, nothing can be measured or tested,. You are an idiot.

Lots of things white people believe can be tested cant be. Youre not smart enough to come up with a test to measure intelligence. Other races understand that whites made up this system to fight their insecurity complex. Thats why whites made sure they were the ones that appeared to be the smartest when they made up the tests.

Let me see. I am going to make a test to measure intelligence. Holy shit! According to this test my race is smarter than all the other races. What are the odds of that?

After a few posts you always manage to steer to the topic back to Race. "ALL children are gifted" is a campaign by the LEFT (not White people) to keep the pipeline to colleges primed with bodies. It gives false hope to parents and for that reason is dangerous. That was the point I was making and I stand by that. It has nothing to do with the Race of the kid. There are gifted kids of all races. There are also kids of all races that are not gifted.

Whites made up the concept of IQ not me. A white person claimed IQ was the measuring stick not me.
I never said anything about gifted kids only being Black. I dont even know where you got that idea.

Finally, one thing that's right. Some white person(s) conceived of the idea of quantifying intelligence so that it could be statistically analyzed and classified, a concept with which I fully understand. It has NOTHING to do with race, it has NOTHING to do with insecurity; it was a branch of applied psychology designed to try to better understand intelligence and the mind by turning it into quantifiable data, and the concept and methods have evolved and improved over the years as learning from said data furthered our understanding.

The very fact that white people et al did this first supports the idea that in general, they were more intelligent. Not that they were racially motivated. YOU are racially bigoted and like Mike says, you bring race into EVERY freekin' argument. We need to get a stop watch and start timing you. Yes, IQ IS the measuring stick of intelligence. It may not be perfect, but as time goes on, it will evolve to meet with improved understanding. As I said long ago, it is a baseline standard upon which the industry agrees to use as a reference. Where did Mike get any idea? He never said anything about race and intelligence! YOU read that shit into what others say. YOU made the thread about race because it is this MAJOR hangup of yours.

 

[bodecea]

All children are NOT gifted. Sorry Mom and Dad but the majority of kids are average, and capable of achievement only if they apply themselves. That's just the way it is, but for some reason over the Left pushes this nonsense that all children are gifted, and it is up to the teachers to unlock their gifts. And if they don't I suppose it's the failure of the teacher, the school, the government or Donald Trump or Russia or who knows. Anything but admitting your kid is just part of that wide swath of average intelligence and limited talent. The problem is if you do not face that reality, you are setting your child up for colossal failure in adult life. The earlier you recognize your kid is not the next Elon Musk the earlier you can put him or her on a different track where they can be successful.

Not sure who on the left has made that claim....can you name them for us?

 

[bodecea]

All children are NOT gifted. Sorry Mom and Dad but the majority of kids are average, and capable of achievement only if they apply themselves. That's just the way it is, but for some reason over the Left pushes this nonsense that all children are gifted, and it is up to the teachers to unlock their gifts. And if they don't I suppose it's the failure of the teacher, the school, the government or Donald Trump or Russia or who knows. Anything but admitting your kid is just part of that wide swath of average intelligence and limited talent. The problem is if you do not face that reality, you are setting your child up for colossal failure in adult life. The earlier you recognize your kid is not the next Elon Musk the earlier you can put him or her on a different track where they can be successful.

The greatest gift you can bestow upon your children is to unlock their minds and souls by getting them out of the fucking public school system.

Who has prevented you from doing so?

 

[bodecea]

All children are NOT gifted. Sorry Mom and Dad but the majority of kids are average, and capable of achievement only if they apply themselves. That's just the way it is, but for some reason over the Left pushes this nonsense that all children are gifted, and it is up to the teachers to unlock their gifts. And if they don't I suppose it's the failure of the teacher, the school, the government or Donald Trump or Russia or who knows. Anything but admitting your kid is just part of that wide swath of average intelligence and limited talent. The problem is if you do not face that reality, you are setting your child up for colossal failure in adult life. The earlier you recognize your kid is not the next Elon Musk the earlier you can put him or her on a different track where they can be successful.

Average kids are the result of below average parents holding them back with just this type of loser thinking.

Nonsense. 'All children are gifted' is akin to claiming all children have athletic skills. Kids are different with vastly different levels of ability. I believe it is being pushed mainly to keep the pipeline to colleges filled with applicants, whether or not they are qualified.

The entire college system is a racket designed to keep funneling people and vast amounts of money into a corrupt system which makes a few very rich and powerful and turns out a continuous supply of good little drones who'll spend half their lives now trying to get out of the debt they're in, intent that if they had to go broke to get a job, they sure as heck ain't going to allow another, more talented person, better educated outside the formal system from getting a job without "paying" into the system as well.

Then don't go to college nor support your children going to college. Easy Peasy solution for you.

 

[bodecea]

Only an idiot would think saying all kids are gifted means they all have the exact same specific skill sets. All kids are gifted specifically because they each bring some specific gift to the table. For instance my 4 girls are all gifted but their strengths lie in different areas. All are highly intelligent but that intelligence manifests itself in different ways.

Maybe you have 4 gifted girls. Just like I have two gifted sons. Have you considered yours or my personal experience does not extrapolate to every kid? I have news for you. It doesn't.

I work with kids. I have yet to meet one thats not gifted. I dont know the count but I've been working with them for over 15 years. Surely I would have met just one average kid by now.

You must have a much broader definition of the term "gifted" than I do. Are you trying to tell me in 15 years you have not worked with an average kid? Give me a break that's ridiculous.

I would define gifted as having an exceptional talent.
I'm not trying to tell you...I am telling you. Its only ridiculous if you dont have the intelligence to see the giftedness of all children.

Your an idiot and a lying asshole. If you work with kids all the time and believe that all kids have an exceptional talent of some kind, you're an even bigger idiot than I ever imagined. Thank god you'll never be near any kids I know! And you probably shouldn't be around anyone else's.

"Your".... when discussing education and intelligence.

 

[MarathonMike]

Dear LOBOTOMIZED,

Of course you can measure intelligence with a test! You may not measure ALL forms of intelligence with ONE test, but you can establish a baseline comparison upon which to measure all people for comparative purposes on most usual forms of intelligence, specifically, math, science, education, thinking, and problem solving. Where it becomes harder is measuring intelligence as it relates to CREATIVITY, as there are so many different forms of creativity, from artistic to musical/interpretive to intuitive and inventiveness.

Bullshit. For starters you cant measure the fact that someone is thinking about how to safely get home or how to avoid getting jacked by the cops while they are taking the test. There are way too many variables that can affect the persons performance on the test. Lets not even get into the fact that someone used to a different philosophical view of the world will interpret the problem differently than the way the person who wrote the test intended.

By your jacked-off way of thinking, nothing can be measured or tested,. You are an idiot.

Lots of things white people believe can be tested cant be. Youre not smart enough to come up with a test to measure intelligence. Other races understand that whites made up this system to fight their insecurity complex. Thats why whites made sure they were the ones that appeared to be the smartest when they made up the tests.

Let me see. I am going to make a test to measure intelligence. Holy shit! According to this test my race is smarter than all the other races. What are the odds of that?

After a few posts you always manage to steer to the topic back to Race. "ALL children are gifted" is a campaign by the LEFT (not White people) to keep the pipeline to colleges primed with bodies. It gives false hope to parents and for that reason is dangerous. That was the point I was making and I stand by that. It has nothing to do with the Race of the kid. There are gifted kids of all races. There are also kids of all races that are not gifted.

Whites made up the concept of IQ not me. A white person claimed IQ was the measuring stick not me.

I never said anything about gifted kids only being Black. I dont even know where you got that idea.

You dont have to be gifted to go to college so your premise is really faulty even it it may be partially true.

One can be gifted academically, musically, athletically or artistically. Maybe if you stretch it you could add the "gift of gab" making you a strong candidate for a successful salesman or politician. So yes a standard IQ test or an SAT or ACT will not be able to measure those gifts.

All children are NOT gifted. Sorry Mom and Dad but the majority of kids are average, and capable of achievement only if they apply themselves. That's just the way it is, but for some reason over the Left pushes this nonsense that all children are gifted, and it is up to the teachers to unlock their gifts. And if they don't I suppose it's the failure of the teacher, the school, the government or Donald Trump or Russia or who knows. Anything but admitting your kid is just part of that wide swath of average intelligence and limited talent. The problem is if you do not face that reality, you are setting your child up for colossal failure in adult life. The earlier you recognize your kid is not the next Elon Musk the earlier you can put him or her on a different track where they can be successful.

Not sure who on the left has made that claim....can you name them for us?

Dr Michael Carr-Gregg a child psychologist is credited for the quote "All Children have gifts, some just choose to open them". That quote has been taken up by the Left and it's education system (you do realize education is run by the Left) to push the narrative that all kids need to go to college. I guess it takes a couple hundred grand in college tuition to help Jonny or Jennie open their gifts.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

All children are NOT gifted. Sorry Mom and Dad but the majority of kids are average, and capable of achievement only if they apply themselves. That's just the way it is, but for some reason over the Left pushes this nonsense that all children are gifted, and it is up to the teachers to unlock their gifts. And if they don't I suppose it's the failure of the teacher, the school, the government or Donald Trump or Russia or who knows. Anything but admitting your kid is just part of that wide swath of average intelligence and limited talent. The problem is if you do not face that reality, you are setting your child up for colossal failure in adult life. The earlier you recognize your kid is not the next Elon Musk the earlier you can put him or her on a different track where they can be successful.

The greatest gift you can bestow upon your children is to unlock their minds and souls by getting them out of the fucking public school system.

When was the last time you were in a public school classroom?

It was likely when they threw him out for being over-aged in his elementary school. The biggest critics of the public school system likely failed.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Average kids are the result of below average parents holding them back with just this type of loser thinking.

Nonsense. 'All children are gifted' is akin to claiming all children have athletic skills. Kids are different with vastly different levels of ability. I believe it is being pushed mainly to keep the pipeline to colleges filled with applicants, whether or not they are qualified.

Only an idiot would think saying all kids are gifted means they all have the exact same specific skill sets. All kids are gifted specifically because they each bring some specific gift to the table. For instance my 4 girls are all gifted but their strengths lie in different areas. All are highly intelligent but that intelligence manifests itself in different ways.

Maybe you have 4 gifted girls. Just like I have two gifted sons. Have you considered yours or my personal experience does not extrapolate to every kid? I have news for you. It doesn't.

Lol!!

Thinks his kids are gifted but not the next guys.

You guys are hilarious!

Evidence, my friend. Oldest son graduated Cum Laude in math and working as a systems engineer. Youngest son top of his class in Aerospace Engineering.

So your youngest son is taller than everyone?

Or, does he always sit in the back row of an amphitheater style classroom?

 

[Asclepias]

Bullshit. For starters you cant measure the fact that someone is thinking about how to safely get home or how to avoid getting jacked by the cops while they are taking the test. There are way too many variables that can affect the persons performance on the test. Lets not even get into the fact that someone used to a different philosophical view of the world will interpret the problem differently than the way the person who wrote the test intended.

By your jacked-off way of thinking, nothing can be measured or tested,. You are an idiot.

Lots of things white people believe can be tested cant be. Youre not smart enough to come up with a test to measure intelligence. Other races understand that whites made up this system to fight their insecurity complex. Thats why whites made sure they were the ones that appeared to be the smartest when they made up the tests.

Let me see. I am going to make a test to measure intelligence. Holy shit! According to this test my race is smarter than all the other races. What are the odds of that?

After a few posts you always manage to steer to the topic back to Race. "ALL children are gifted" is a campaign by the LEFT (not White people) to keep the pipeline to colleges primed with bodies. It gives false hope to parents and for that reason is dangerous. That was the point I was making and I stand by that. It has nothing to do with the Race of the kid. There are gifted kids of all races. There are also kids of all races that are not gifted.

Whites made up the concept of IQ not me. A white person claimed IQ was the measuring stick not me.
I never said anything about gifted kids only being Black. I dont even know where you got that idea.

Finally, one thing that's right. Some white person(s) conceived of the idea of quantifying intelligence so that it could be statistically analyzed and classified, a concept with which I fully understand. It has NOTHING to do with race, it has NOTHING to do with insecurity; it was a branch of applied psychology designed to try to better understand intelligence and the mind by turning it into quantifiable data, and the concept and methods have evolved and improved over the years as learning from said data furthered our understanding.

The very fact that white people et al did this first supports the idea that in general, they were more intelligent. Not that they were racially motivated. YOU are racially bigoted and like Mike says, you bring race into EVERY freekin' argument. We need to get a stop watch and start timing you. Yes, IQ IS the measuring stick of intelligence. It may not be perfect, but as time goes on, it will evolve to meet with improved understanding. As I said long ago, it is a baseline standard upon which the industry agrees to use as a reference. Where did Mike get any idea? He never said anything about race and intelligence! YOU read that shit into what others say. YOU made the thread about race because it is this MAJOR hangup of yours.

Yes a white person conceived of the concept of IQ because he and other whites were suffering from an insecurity complex since whites were last to education and civilization.

 

[ptbw forever]

All children are NOT gifted. Sorry Mom and Dad but the majority of kids are average, and capable of achievement only if they apply themselves. That's just the way it is, but for some reason over the Left pushes this nonsense that all children are gifted, and it is up to the teachers to unlock their gifts. And if they don't I suppose it's the failure of the teacher, the school, the government or Donald Trump or Russia or who knows. Anything but admitting your kid is just part of that wide swath of average intelligence and limited talent. The problem is if you do not face that reality, you are setting your child up for colossal failure in adult life. The earlier you recognize your kid is not the next Elon Musk the earlier you can put him or her on a different track where they can be successful.

Conservatives, please listen to this guy. We’re going to need your kids to replace the work of all the illegal immigrants you want out of here.

All those homeless Democrats kind of indicate just who the illegals are stealing jobs from.

Keep projecting though

 

[ptbw forever]

All children are NOT gifted. Sorry Mom and Dad but the majority of kids are average, and capable of achievement only if they apply themselves. That's just the way it is, but for some reason over the Left pushes this nonsense that all children are gifted, and it is up to the teachers to unlock their gifts. And if they don't I suppose it's the failure of the teacher, the school, the government or Donald Trump or Russia or who knows. Anything but admitting your kid is just part of that wide swath of average intelligence and limited talent. The problem is if you do not face that reality, you are setting your child up for colossal failure in adult life. The earlier you recognize your kid is not the next Elon Musk the earlier you can put him or her on a different track where they can be successful.

Average kids are the result of below average parents holding them back with just this type of loser thinking.

Nonsense. 'All children are gifted' is akin to claiming all children have athletic skills. Kids are different with vastly different levels of ability. I believe it is being pushed mainly to keep the pipeline to colleges filled with applicants, whether or not they are qualified.

Only an idiot would think saying all kids are gifted means they all have the exact same specific skill sets. All kids are gifted specifically because they each bring some specific gift to the table. For instance my 4 girls are all gifted but their strengths lie in different areas. All are highly intelligent but that intelligence manifests itself in different ways.

No one parented by you could even remotely approach being "highly intelligent".