Air Force Removes ‘God’ From Logo

[AtheismFTW]

I don't understand why conservatives don't understand the separation of church and state.

 

[Synthaholic]

Atheism is the official religion of every dictatorship and fascist government on the planet

Atheism isn't a religion, moron.

 

[bodecea]

If it's a basic form of reasoning why haven't chimps evolved to the level of man? All things being equal and there is no God and everything evolved chimps should be at the same level of intelligence of man. That is if they have a basic level of reasoning.

Because they're no as intelligent as man. How hard was that

But if they evolved and man evolved why aren't man and chimp at the same level?

Because then we would both be in the same nitch and competing against each other.


We have more in the way of intellectual power, they have more in the way of physical power. Different nitches.

 

[Synthaholic]

Atheism is the official religion of every dictatorship and fascist government on the planet

Atheism is a religion like bald is a hair color.

I like Bill Maher's, from this past Friday:

"Atheism is a religion like abstinence is a sexual position." ~ Bill Maher

 

[GuyPinestra]

It may be true that you don't believe in God, but the ETERNAL TRUTH is that God still believes in you...

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I don't understand why conservatives don't understand the separation of church and state.

Like this?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akkhiEyZFwI]Rev. Falwell Gives Opening Prayer to Congress - YouTube[/ame]
Is this the type of separation you are talking about? I am confused please address this issue.

 

[Synthaholic]

The more "God" is removed from our government the stronger and freer our great nation becomes.

On the other hand, you remove God and who then becomes the grantor of your liberties?

The same as for the past 230+ years: the Constitution.

Funny how so-called 'conservatives' love the Constitution...except when they don't.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

The more "God" is removed from our government the stronger and freer our great nation becomes. You want God? Go to church.

Absolute religious liberty mandates the strict separation of church and state.





Air Force Removes ‘God’ From Logo | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes

A Virginia lawmaker is calling on the Air Force to reverse a decision to remove a Latin reference to “God” from a logo after an atheist group complained.

Rep. Randy Forbes, (R-VA), said the Air Force removed the logo several weeks ago from the Rapid Capabilities Office. The patch included a line written in Latin that read, “Doing God’s Work with Other People’s Money.”

But after the Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers complained, Forbes said the line was rewritten in Latin to read, “Doing Miracles with Other People’s Money.”

Forbes, along with a bi-partisan group of 35 lawmakers, sent a letter to Air Force Secretary Michael Donley and Air Force Chief of Staff Norton Schwartz expressing concern over the decision to remove a non-religious reference to God.

“It is most egregious,” Forbes told Fox News. “The Air Force is taking the tone that you can’t even use the word ‘God.’”

Forbes said his office contacted the Air Force and officials there confirmed that the logo had been changed after the atheist group complained.

A spokesman for the Air Force told Fox News they had received the letter and would investigate the claims.

Forbes said the removal of “God” is a “bridge too far in terms of the rights of men and women who serve in our services and their ability to express their faith.”

“But the significance of this is what the Air Force is saying with this move – that the word ‘God’ – whether it has any reference to faith or not, can’t be used in the Air Force,” Forbes said.

He said the incident is one of several in recent months that have caused him to wonder if the military is cleansing itself of religious references.

“It’s a very dangerous course to take,” he said.

“I am concerned that the RCO capitulated to pressure from an outside group that consistently seeks to remove references to God and faith in our military,” he said. ‘The RCO’s action to modify the logo sets a dangerous precedent that all references to God, regardless of context, must be removed from the military.”

Seperation of Church and State is not in the constitution.

Freedom of Speech, Press, Religion and Petition

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Here are a few words from our founding fathers and former Presidents:

• George Washington: “It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible.”
• Thomas Jefferson: “The Bible is the cornerstone of liberty. . . . Students’ perusal of the sacred volume will make us better citizens, better fathers, and better husbands.”
• Andrew Jackson: “That Book [the Bible] is the rock on which our Republic rests.”
• Ulysses S. Grant: “Hold fast to the Bible. . . . To the influence of this Book we are indebted for all the progress made in true civilization and to this we must look as our guide in the future.”

The Christian heritage of this nation, as well as the influence of the truths of Christ and His Word in our nation’s government, is evidenced not only in the words of our founders, but in the government buildings themselves.

For example:

• The Ten Commandments hang over the head of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.
• In the House and Senate chambers appear the words, “In God We Trust.”
• On the walls of the Capitol dome appear the words, “The New Testament according to the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.”
• Engraved on the metal cap on the top of the Washington Monument are the words “Praise be to God,” and numerous Bible verses line the walls of the stairwell.
• The Eighty-third Congress set aside a room in the Capitol Building exclusively for the private prayer and meditation of members of Congress.

Nowhere in the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, or any other founding documents of this nation will one find the phrase so often used today, “separation of church and state.”

Significantly, the phrase “separation of church and state” is not even mentioned in the Congressional Record from June 7 to September 25, 1789, the period that documents the months of discussions and debates of the 90 men who framed the First Amendment. Had separation been the intent of the First Amendment, it seems logical that the phrase would have been mentioned at least once.

In fact, the phrase “a wall of separation between church and state” was not even penned until 1802, 13 years after passage of the First Amendment.

Despite the claims of many, Jefferson’s “wall of separation” does not mean, and was not meant to mean, the exclusion of people of faith from impacting, participating in, or shaping government. Rather, it referred to the limit of the federal government from exercising any authority in matters of religion.

The phrase “separation of church and state” was not used to the detriment of people of faith until the Supreme Court picked it up in 1947 in Everson v. Board of Education. But even the Supreme Court acknowledges the significant role Christianity played in the founding of our country, as well as the influence of Christian teaching on our nation.

Consider the following statements from various Supreme Court opinions.

• 1892 Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States: “Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise, and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian.”
• 1952 Zoarach v. Clauson: “The First Amendment does not say that in every and all respects there shall be a separation of church and state. . . . We find no constitutional requirement which makes it necessary for government to be hostile to religion and to throw its weight against efforts to widen the effective scope of religious influence.”
• 1971 Lemon v. Kurtzman: “Separation is not possible in the absolute sense. Some relationship between government and religious organizations is inevitable.”
• 1985 Wallace v. Jaffree: “The ‘wall of separation between church and state’ is a metaphor based on bad history, a metaphor which has proved useless as a guide to judging. It should be frankly and explicitly abandoned.”

 

[Synthaholic]

This is actually a very good explanation why Atheism is NOT a religion.



[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQp6GMzGPpU]Bill Maher - Atheism is a religion like abstinence is a sex position - YouTube[/ame]

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The more "God" is removed from our government the stronger and freer our great nation becomes.

On the other hand, you remove God and who then becomes the grantor of your liberties?

The same as for the past 230+ years: the Constitution.

Funny how so-called 'conservatives' love the Constitution...except when they don't.

It was state government that gave us the Constitution. So if government can give it they can take it away.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Still no answer eh Tex? And by "God", which one are you referring to? Know what a Deist is?

Why answer a question that you already know the answer to?

There is but one God.

And yes I l know what a deist is. And they believe in an all-powerful Creator, which Christians refer to as God.

So, in your opinion, screw all Hinduists, Buddhists, Pagans, etc. in our country.

They are free to believe whatever they wish and it wouldn't offend me in the slightest.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Separation of church and state isn't to keep God out of "state", it's to keep "state" out of God.
The more we kick God out, the more Satan strolls in to fill the void.

 

[J.H.Brightman]

A Few More Thoughts On The Christian Faith Position: Human Rights Come From God.

Human rights and the moral code they spring out of originated in the mind of God as objective moral realities prior to the existence of humans. The institution of slavery and Dred Scott, as concepts ugly and immoral, existed in the mind of God as ugly and immoral, say, 999 trillion years prior to human existence and therefore prior to slavery and Dred Scott.

If you can get 51% or 100% of an electorate to agree that the murderous human rights violations of Stalin and Mao were morally justified in order for them to achieve their vision of "the greater good" for their nations, and then get that electorate to elect politicians that will codify their agreement into law, that does not make what the electorate codified morally right and does not establish a legitimate moral right for Stalin and Mao to do what they did to other human beings. Why not? Because human rights, and the moral code they spring out of, originated in the mind and nature of God prior to the existence of Stalin, Mao, your atheistic self, and human kind.

If rights and morality did not originate and does not exist, objective, absolute, and unchangeable, in the mind of God, but rather has originated in the minds of humans who have for 6000 years demonstrated fluxuating and contradictory opinions, laws, whims, preferences, prejudices, intellectual contradictions, moral contradictions, and large laughable amounts of ridiculous political, economic, and social self-contradicting nonsense, then we are forced to conclude that our human moral code and human rights code is at any moment subject to the whims of human Absurdity, in that Human-Majority-Voting and Huge-Powerful-Militaries could, if they wanted to, morally legitimate Dred Scott in January, morally de-legitimate Dred Scot in Feburary, morally legitimate Dred Scot in March, morally de-legitimate Dred Scot in April.

Moreover, if human rights originated and are created by humans, then human electorial majorities via official proclamation could, anytime they wanted to, morally legitimate the murderous human rights violations of Stalin and Mao in January, de-legitimate them in Feburary, legitimate them in March, and de-legitimate them in April, etc.

 

[LibertyForAll]

Separation of church and state isn't to keep God out of "state", it's to keep "state" out of God.
The more we kick God out, the more Satan strolls in to fill the void.

People have a right to worship Satan too.

 

[AtheismFTW]

Where our government does not endorse religion.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I don't understand why conservatives don't understand the separation of church and state.

Like this?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akkhiEyZFwI]Rev. Falwell Gives Opening Prayer to Congress - YouTube[/ame]
Is this the type of separation you are talking about? I am confused please address this issue.

Why do people talk about separation of church and state they never address post like this?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akkhiEyZFwI]Rev. Falwell Gives Opening Prayer to Congress - YouTube[/ame]