Originally Posted by ajwps
No longer will Israel sit when scuds fly because the US asks them to take hits from Arab countries rather than upset the terrorists who blew up the Trade Towers in New York and the Pentagon.
It is nice that you are willing to cease giving loan guarantees to Israel and outright financial grants to the Arabs forthwith. It should also be right that Israel take back all technology related to the new Arrow-2 ABM developed in combination with American scientists. Also, Israel might stop providing intel from plants within terrorist cells now existing in the US as well as all training for Homeland Security based on Israel's long knowledge of the workings of Islamic suicide bombers.
Israel can continue protecting itself from its persecutors such as we have seen this morning with more than 12 deaths on two buses in Ber Sheva while the US can go it alone fighting those same terrorists around the world.
Does that sound fair to you?
+++++++++++++++++++++++ Working Man's response
The bombing of Israelis today by Hamas is not acceptable. Killing innocent people is wrong no matter who does it. But, the "Civilizing influence" has made it standard practice to bomb, shoot, and murder innocent people. This, I believe is why people are willing to strap bombs accross their bodies and blow themselves up. The people in the area who are willing to die to achieve some goal, be they Palistinians or whomever, must be pretty desperate to get a change effected, to become recognized and not forgotten by the rest of the world. I don't condone the suicide bombings, but can't help feel that it is a very, very desperate measure on the people who make up/support Hamas.
THAT BEING SAID
1) Israel could not survive long without US monetary assistance,, without changing its behavior toward the Palistinians. Israel needs to forget about trying to kill off the Palistinians by cutting off access to work, food, health care, etc. But,,, let us not forget, ISRAEL HAS TO GIVE BACK THE LAND IT HAS ANNEXED FROM THE PALISTINIANS IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS TO START WITH!!!!!!! And for the sake of reality. Get rid of that F'n wall that devides a peoples homeland.
2) Any one who thinks that Israel can develope anything without the aid of the US is fooling themselves. The US floats the Israeli economy. THe interest alone on the infamous "loan guarantees" is costing US taxpayers $$$BILLIONS. (( Ask Stuart Einstat what he did to GW's father when George senior tried to leverage the loan guarentees to provide a basis for a peace agreement in/around 1992. Old Stu and his faitfull followers put the political machine in high gear and installed his puppet William Clinton in the White House.))
3) Israel begs, borrows, or steals US missles and turns them into test beds for advanced weapons systems. I am not denying that.(SPARROW, AIM, PATRIOT, F4 Phantoms to name a few) BUT,, there is a US Congressional report that came out in the late 80's (updated when needed) that said that Israel DOES NOT SHARE ITS secrets with the US. Israel knows how to take, but not repay. I don't have to make this stuff up since it is in the report. Contact Sam Ghejdenson (former 2nd District Congressman from CT) and ask him to provide a copy. He was only too pleased to rub it in his constituents noses.
4) Israel probably does have a good handle on cell activity, and lots of experience dealing with terrorists. There are many ways to look at this.
Is it really an attribute to say "We can show you how to handle people that we have crapped on/pissed off for years. We can show you how to assassinate three* of them for every one of ours they kill."?????? (*the Nazis did this during WW 2, )
Again, making people wait for water, food, medical help, work, and self respect isn't going to buy you forgiveness by the oppressed people when you finally let a few get the things they need to survive. What Israel restricts the Palistinians from are the basic necessities that others take for granted in the rest of the "civilized" world.
So for the Homeland Security help, TO ISRAEL NO THANKS.. I would rather follow the US Constitution, and the basic values that the fore fathers provided us in the document. Also, some of the basic life doctrines found in the bible. (I am an agnostic for the record) Treat people with respect as you would want them to treat you. Don't take things that don't belong to you, such as land, homes, lives, and hope. I, for one, don't want a wall built around the US, or the US to be thought of as an embracer for tactics used by the Nazis.
But you know folks, trying to argue this with SOME people who think Israel is a freind of the US, and an ally of this country, is like trying to teach a pig to sing. It is a waste of one's time, and it annoys the pig.
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