Against your interests

[Steelplate]

btw...there is another method for obtaining rare earths.....recycling old electronics and extracting them. think about all the stuff we throw away.

 

[Steelplate]

It’s a tough question to answer. What is your best interest?

If SS – MC/MC- Welfare – min wage were “for my best interest,” then why is the country failing? I just listed about 55% of the money spent each year by our Government.

It seems to me that my best interest is more freedom and smaller Government that actually follows the constitution. I say this because Doctors are rejecting MC, SS is failing and projected to end well before I would ever collect and welfare is wildly proven to keep people in poverty.

The country is failing because

1) The wealth is concentrated at the top instead of evenly distributed.

2) We are bleeding 500 Billion a year in trade deficits.

Nothing to do with these common sense programs that keep people from starving or dying from treatable diseases.

Wealth distribution works best when it flows through Free Enterprise, NOT through Government Mandate.

oh...you're talking about trickle down, right? What happens when those at the top don't want to play ball and actually trickle down?

 

[hortysir]

The country is failing because

1) The wealth is concentrated at the top instead of evenly distributed.

2) We are bleeding 500 Billion a year in trade deficits.

Nothing to do with these common sense programs that keep people from starving or dying from treatable diseases.

Wealth distribution works best when it flows through Free Enterprise, NOT through Government Mandate.

oh...you're talking about trickle down, right? What happens when those at the top don't want to play ball and actually trickle down?

oh...you're trying to read my mind, right?



I'm talking about trickle AROUND, Edited.

Dig some spurs into the ribs of this stagnate economy. Create some jobs. Let people keep more of their own money to spend where they want, instead of where Uncle says we should.

Everybody wins in a flourishing economy, NOT in an Obama economy.

 

[Intense]

It’s a tough question to answer. What is your best interest?

If SS – MC/MC- Welfare – min wage were “for my best interest,” then why is the country failing? I just listed about 55% of the money spent each year by our Government.

It seems to me that my best interest is more freedom and smaller Government that actually follows the constitution. I say this because Doctors are rejecting MC, SS is failing and projected to end well before I would ever collect and welfare is wildly proven to keep people in poverty.

The country is failing because

1) The wealth is concentrated at the top instead of evenly distributed.

2) We are bleeding 500 Billion a year in trade deficits.

Nothing to do with these common sense programs that keep people from starving or dying from treatable diseases.

Country is failing because some think even distribution is a goal.

Even distribution is a waste.

 

[Steelplate]

Wealth distribution works best when it flows through Free Enterprise, NOT through Government Mandate.

oh...you're talking about trickle down, right? What happens when those at the top don't want to play ball and actually trickle down?

oh...you're trying to read my mind, right?



I'm talking about trickle AROUND.

Dig some spurs into the ribs of this stagnate economy. Create some jobs. Let people keep more of their own money to spend where they want, instead of where Uncle says we should.

Everybody wins in a flourishing economy, NOT in an Obama economy.

Now, to address your response. Taxes are at the same rates as under Bush...there has been no tax increases. in fact, when Bush lowered them, it really didn't. do a damn thing except run the country into the ground and throw billions upon billions into the pockets of those who were already kicking butt to begin with.

But beyond that.... you didn't answer. my question. What do you do when those at the top refuse to trickle down?

 

[Steelplate]

The country is failing because

1) The wealth is concentrated at the top instead of evenly distributed.

2) We are bleeding 500 Billion a year in trade deficits.

Nothing to do with these common sense programs that keep people from starving or dying from treatable diseases.

Country is failing because some think even distribution is a goal.

Even distribution is a waste.

who said anything about even distribution?

 

[Intense]

The country is failing because

1) The wealth is concentrated at the top instead of evenly distributed.

2) We are bleeding 500 Billion a year in trade deficits.

Nothing to do with these common sense programs that keep people from starving or dying from treatable diseases.

Country is failing because some think even distribution is a goal.

you're right....CONSERVATIVES think that LIBERALS want even distribution as a goal....which is patently false.

I don't think Liberals want that, I think Statist Progressives want that. It, for them is about control, first, getting the credit, second, and third, causing strife that they get to mitigate. They see it as a Win, Win, Win, situation. a Triple Play.

 

[gallantwarrior]

No, it wouldn't.

Yet your caveats are not based on reality.

"A rising tide lifts all boats."

That only works if you are in a boat.

The left wants to regulate boats out of existence to protect endangered species.

That and they are a safety hazard.

 

[Steelplate]

Country is failing because some think even distribution is a goal.

you're right....CONSERVATIVES think that LIBERALS want even distribution as a goal....which is patently false.

I don't think Liberals want that, I think Statist Progressives want that. It, for them is about control, first, getting the credit, second, and third, causing strife that they get to mitigate. They see it as a Win, Win, Win, situation. a Triple Play.

What do you call Statist Progressives? I don't know anyone but pure Communists that think that way. If you are referring to Democrats, or even a Socialist like Bernie Sanders? You're way off base.

 

[gallantwarrior]

It’s a tough question to answer. What is your best interest?

If SS – MC/MC- Welfare – min wage were “for my best interest,” then why is the country failing? I just listed about 55% of the money spent each year by our Government.

It seems to me that my best interest is more freedom and smaller Government that actually follows the constitution. I say this because Doctors are rejecting MC, SS is failing and projected to end well before I would ever collect and welfare is wildly proven to keep people in poverty.

The country is failing because

1) The wealth is concentrated at the top instead of evenly distributed.

2) We are bleeding 500 Billion a year in trade deficits.

Nothing to do with these common sense programs that keep people from starving or dying from treatable diseases.

Common sense programs? Edited Are you serious. Pumping millions of dollars into an outfit like Solindra is a "common sense" program? Really?

 

[Intense]

It’s a tough question to answer. What is your best interest?

If SS – MC/MC- Welfare – min wage were “for my best interest,” then why is the country failing? I just listed about 55% of the money spent each year by our Government.

It seems to me that my best interest is more freedom and smaller Government that actually follows the constitution. I say this because Doctors are rejecting MC, SS is failing and projected to end well before I would ever collect and welfare is wildly proven to keep people in poverty.

The country is failing because

1) The wealth is concentrated at the top instead of evenly distributed.

2) We are bleeding 500 Billion a year in trade deficits.

Nothing to do with these common sense programs that keep people from starving or dying from treatable diseases.

Wealth distribution works best when it flows through Free Enterprise, NOT through Government Mandate.

Yes. We Each choose our own interests and priorities.

 

[Intense]

you're right....CONSERVATIVES think that LIBERALS want even distribution as a goal....which is patently false.

I don't think Liberals want that, I think Statist Progressives want that. It, for them is about control, first, getting the credit, second, and third, causing strife that they get to mitigate. They see it as a Win, Win, Win, situation. a Triple Play.

What do you call Statist Progressives? I don't know anyone but pure Communists that think that way. If you are referring to Democrats, or even a Socialist like Bernie Sanders? You're way off base.

The only difference between the two is the rate of decent. The stripping of free will and individual conscience, be it fast or slow, is the same end.

 

[Steelplate]

I don't think Liberals want that, I think Statist Progressives want that. It, for them is about control, first, getting the credit, second, and third, causing strife that they get to mitigate. They see it as a Win, Win, Win, situation. a Triple Play.

What do you call Statist Progressives? I don't know anyone but pure Communists that think that way. If you are referring to Democrats, or even a Socialist like Bernie Sanders? You're way off base.

The only difference between the two is the rate of decent. The stripping of free will and individual conscience, be it fast or slow, is the same end.

you really believe that? So...I'll ask you the same question that I asked Hortysir.

What do we do if those at the top choose to horde, invest outside of the country, and keep on lowering the wages on labor?....we can't have 400 million businesses in this country, most people will be working for other people and many of those will be in laborious jobs, not intellectual.

I'm not necessarily saying that government is the answer, but apart from the labor force unionizing and forcing things to change(which I know that you probably hate the idea of), or a bunch of non-union employees pulling a Lech Walesa on the entire country....what's a reasonable solution?

You can't just view this from one side...look at the big picture and realize that the vast majority of our citizenry are struggling mightily, and no one on the right seems to care. The wealthy are kicking ass, financially speaking...and lobbying and crying for more and more breaks. Small businesses? I will give you that....we need to make it easier, relax regulations, and give breaks to them....but the huge conglomerates and multinationals that actually control the country? no way...they are the Bane(or should I say BAIN?) of everything good that we once were. We need another Teddy Roosevelt in office to stand up to these virtual monopolies that have been running amok.

But, make no mistake....I have no problem with people becoming rich. But the rich have to remember that the poor, working and Middle Class are the people that buy their goods and services...if things keep going the way they've been, those customers won't be able to afford much more than keeping a roof over their heads and some food in their stomachs.....I'm sorry man....that's not the American Dream.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Even if what you say is true...which I think you are embellishing, those items are durable goods, which you only have to purchase once every what? 10 years or so? plus,there is no reason we can't use our own supply of rare earth minerals. We have them...we can get them, we can refine them....all right here.

But, let's talk about NEEDED goods and services, not luxuries and convenience items...rent/mortgages, utilities, transportation, medical care, food, education beyond High School. Sure, an Mp3 player or a flat screen TV is nice... but those other things are NEEDS. Perhaps our system has it's priorities screwed up.

There actually is a few reasons we can't use our own supply of rare earths, not the least of which is that we have no source of dysprosium that exists outside of China. Then we have all the regulatory hurdles that are involved in actually mining anything in this country for the elements that are actually commercially available in the US.

Yes, lets talk needed parts and services, and define what, exactly, those are? Clothing? To make clothing we need a manufacturing base to build the machinery to grow cotton, harvest it, process it, ship the fabric, cut it, sew it, and then ship it to the local stores to sell it.

Maybe it is not our priorities that is screwed up, maybe it is your understanding of the entire economy. Unless, that is, you think clothing is a luxury.

wow....excuse me...I forgot one.

Not just one.

 

[uscitizen]

I'm sure it's just coincidence that liberals declare that's it's in everyone's best interests to keep liberals in power.

Yeah. Coincidence. Has to be.

Same as the cons do.



BE partisan and help our country fall on it's face/

 

[hortysir]

oh...you're talking about trickle down, right? What happens when those at the top don't want to play ball and actually trickle down?

oh...you're trying to read my mind, right?



I'm talking about trickle AROUND.

Dig some spurs into the ribs of this stagnate economy. Create some jobs. Let people keep more of their own money to spend where they want, instead of where Uncle says we should.

Everybody wins in a flourishing economy, NOT in an Obama economy.

Now, to address your response. Taxes are at the same rates as under Bush...there has been no tax increases. in fact, when Bush lowered them, it really didn't. do a damn thing except run the country into the ground and throw billions upon billions into the pockets of those who were already kicking butt to begin with.

But beyond that.... you didn't answer. my question. What do you do when those at the top refuse to trickle down?

While payroll/income taxes may have remained level, look at overall prices, though....that's money out of people's pockets they do not have.

To your final question:
The best way to keep the rich from hoarding cash or investing it overseas is to make THIS economy a good investment.

 

[daveman]

I'm sure it's just coincidence that liberals declare that's it's in everyone's best interests to keep liberals in power.

Yeah. Coincidence. Has to be.

Same as the cons do.



BE partisan and help our country fall on it's face/

I'm going to take a stand and declare what's in everyone's best interests:

The maximum amount of personal liberty conducive to civilized society.

You won't find too many conservatives who disagree. Because conservatives, unlike liberals, recognize that government can only take away liberty.

 

[Intense]

Country is failing because some think even distribution is a goal.

Even distribution is a waste.

who said anything about even distribution?

 

[Intense]

What do you call Statist Progressives? I don't know anyone but pure Communists that think that way. If you are referring to Democrats, or even a Socialist like Bernie Sanders? You're way off base.

The only difference between the two is the rate of decent. The stripping of free will and individual conscience, be it fast or slow, is the same end.

you really believe that? So...I'll ask you the same question that I asked Hortysir.

What do we do if those at the top choose to horde, invest outside of the country, and keep on lowering the wages on labor?....we can't have 400 million businesses in this country, most people will be working for other people and many of those will be in laborious jobs, not intellectual.

I'm not necessarily saying that government is the answer, but apart from the labor force unionizing and forcing things to change(which I know that you probably hate the idea of), or a bunch of non-union employees pulling a Lech Walesa on the entire country....what's a reasonable solution?

You can't just view this from one side...look at the big picture and realize that the vast majority of our citizenry are struggling mightily, and no one on the right seems to care. The wealthy are kicking ass, financially speaking...and lobbying and crying for more and more breaks. Small businesses? I will give you that....we need to make it easier, relax regulations, and give breaks to them....but the huge conglomerates and multinationals that actually control the country? no way...they are the Bane(or should I say BAIN?) of everything good that we once were. We need another Teddy Roosevelt in office to stand up to these virtual monopolies that have been running amok.

But, make no mistake....I have no problem with people becoming rich. But the rich have to remember that the poor, working and Middle Class are the people that buy their goods and services...if things keep going the way they've been, those customers won't be able to afford much more than keeping a roof over their heads and some food in their stomachs.....I'm sorry man....that's not the American Dream.

What do we do if those at the top choose to horde, invest outside of the country, and keep on lowering the wages on labor?....we can't have 400 million businesses in this country, most people will be working for other people and many of those will be in laborious jobs, not intellectual.

What People do with their own property is their business, not yours or mine. It's a Global Economy, those that can't compete are doomed to failure. Wages and Labor rise and fall, it is about supply and demand, it is about competition. There is no feel good answer here. I find Government protected Monopolies a great offense. Break them up and open competition, for starters. Don't expect Government to protect workers rights, as things stand. Don't expect the Union's to either, they exist to collect dues, and recruit both legal and illegal members. The older you get in the Labor Unions, the less employ you see, by design. Open Competition, redesign the wheel? No. Find better ways to meet or beat the competition? Yes.

Labor V.S. Intellectual? The first to go in a perfect world are needless Administrators. Too many chiefs, not enough Craftsmen, Journeymen, Skilled Labor. Show me an Administrator with Real Work experience and ability, and I'll show you Someone with a back up skill.

I'm not necessarily saying that government is the answer, but apart from the labor force unionizing and forcing things to change(which I know that you probably hate the idea of), or a bunch of non-union employees pulling a Lech Walesa on the entire country....what's a reasonable solution?

Measure Twice, cut once. Develop skill and ability. There is no substitute for something worth paying for. Compete, raise the bar.

You can't just view this from one side...look at the big picture and realize that the vast majority of our citizenry are struggling mightily, and no one on the right seems to care. The wealthy are kicking ass, financially speaking...and lobbying and crying for more and more breaks. Small businesses? I will give you that....we need to make it easier, relax regulations, and give breaks to them....but the huge conglomerates and multinationals that actually control the country? no way...they are the Bane(or should I say BAIN?) of everything good that we once were. We need another Teddy Roosevelt in office to stand up to these virtual monopolies that have been running amok.

I have every right to view things on my own terms. I pay the price for that. Not you or anyone else. We Each care. Why suppose that one side or the other has a patent on compassion? You presume I'm not struggling. We need to better manage our own resources, and learn to live within our mean, both large and small. We need to learn to respect private property, both rich and poor. We need to stop wasting. Teddy was okay for a Lib, I'll give you that.

But, make no mistake....I have no problem with people becoming rich. But the rich have to remember that the poor, working and Middle Class are the people that buy their goods and services...if things keep going the way they've been, those customers won't be able to afford much more than keeping a roof over their heads and some food in their stomachs.....I'm sorry man....that's not the American Dream.

You see it as Corporate greed. Who owns and supports the conglomerates? Who's sitting at their Holiday tables? I see it as a misuse of Government power and authority. Tyranny. Soft or hard, has the same end.

 

[tererun]

Here's the thing: There are millions of us Lefties who genuinely believe that the income disparity in this country is a major problem, threatening all of our prosperity. So to me, it is voting against EVERYONE'S best interests when you put people in power whose number one economic goal is keeping rich people rich. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but Progressives aren't going anywhere.

Oddly, the supposed purpose to help the rich is to supposedly help the lower classes because the rich are "job creators." It is the selfishness of trickle down economics. We give tax money to the rich because it is supposed to trickle down to us, which reveals the idea is selfish in nature. I am not saying it works that way, or is very smart to be selfish in that way as you will never get the money, but the logic is that giving money to the rich will help you out in some way.

The idea of being selfless is supposedly to help those in need without returns for yourself. In an odd way that actually might have logic in selfishness. By helping many people out you raise the quality of life and your own environment and actually may end up helping yourself out in the end. If one thinks about it redistribution of wealth from the minority of rich to the majority of poor benefits a lot more people, and it only really destroys the lavish and wasteful lifestyle of the rich.