Addressing the Occupation Myth

[Phoenall]

Yeah, because it was the Israelis that kidnapped, and executed high school students.

The Israeli's would rather target kids playing soccer on the beach with a drone strike.

Look, you keep trying to claim that the problem is equal between them. It isn't.

I agree. Israel is responsible for 90% of the violence.

I don't see Israel trying to wipe the Muslim countries off the face of the Earth.

Then open your eyes.

I DO see their enemies trying to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth.

With what? Rocks?

There are many Arabs that are Israel, as Israeli citizens, and even some elected to political office in Israel.

And they are treated like 2nd class citizens.

How many Jews live in the west bank?

Quite a few and they get along fine with their neighbor's.

Based on that alone, who doesn't recognize who's right to exist?

Since Israel is against a two-state solution, it's the Israeli's who won't allow the Pals right to exist.

This idea that somehow both sides are equally to blame, I reject.

Me to. The occupation is the cause of all the violence.

That doesn't mean they are blame-less.... but don't even attempt to say they are equally at fault.

Israel is 90% at fault; the Pals 10%.

And while your idea "only let them live there if they agree to live in peace" sounds nifty, that presents a million problems.

Living in peace, presents a million problems? Your mindset is the problem.

How do you determine if they intend to live in peace? Give them a survey?

Stop attacking them.

And even if they do, it's normally these people's kids that cause the problems.

Because they have no intention of appeasing Israel, like Neville Chamberlain did with Germany.

The mother and father have to work.

Not after Israel destroyed their economy.

It's their teenagers that go out attacking, tossing rocks, and kidnapping people.

That's much worse than administrative detention.

And then when they do cause problems, how do you fix it?

They're not the ones causing problems, you are.

Deport them? To where? No one wants these people.

Yeah, you're not trying to wipe them out?

Proven wrong how many times, so why the LIES

Proof as Israel responds to the violence, it does not instigate it. You fail to produce any evidence that is not from a biased source

When will you open yours as if Israel wanted to wipe out gaza it could in 24 hours of bombing. Juat read the Palestinian charters that have the destruction of Israel and the massacre of the Jews as overriding principles.

No grad rockets and nuclear weapons when they are available

WRONG as they are treated as Israeli citizens who have the same rights as the Jews.

Only when their neighbours are Jews, this is why the Jewish property was stolen by force in 1948/1949 and the laws passed to disenfranchise the Jews

So what caused the violence prior to 1967 when the Palestinians were murdering Israeli children ?

Not so if you look at the evidence, 2000 rockets fired at Israel before Israel responds shows that the Palestinians are 100% at fault

The muslims have it as a command from god to dominate the world, while Israel exists it cant fulfil this command. So the only options are to hand the muslims the world or wipe them out. Have you bought your prayer mat yet ?

Been tried and the violence escalated so proving that they have no intentions of peace, or dod you skim over those parts of history.

BULLSHIT

They had no economy to begin with, and have lived on handouts since 1923. Now they cant exist without those handouts and hamas refuses to allow the Palestinians to leave because they would lose money.

Yes it is, I would rather be under house arrest or on remand than lying in a pool of blood

So Israel fires illegal weapons, mines schools and plants bombs do they, or is that the Palestinians.

So how is evicting criminals from your land wiping them out

 

[Phoenall]

At this point peace will come once the pali's have earned it.

Israel has learned the hard way not to trust the Arabs.

But regardless, the occupation is a myth. The only people illegally occupying that land are the remnants of the defeated Arab Muslim armies.

If the occupation is a myth, then why isn't there one country on the planet willing to admit that?

There is, Israel ;--)

I can't help but notice you failed to address a single point made in the article. On any number of points there is no illegal Israeli occupation and you have nothing which which to refute that reality.

The revisionist palestinian diatribe simply doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

Ah yes, the occupier disagrees that there is an occupation yet the Supreme Court of the occupier disagrees with that assumption, along with every other nation on the planet!

There is NO point in addressing the propaganda article when it is simply that, propaganda!

No matter how zionuts try and dress up the illegal occupation as something else, the whole world knows that it IS illegal occupation!

Suffering from your mental phobia again I see. Have you tried taking tramadol or such like to ease your feelings of hatred and abject fear.

Now who says that the occupation is illegal, as all you manege to show is that the separation barrier is possibly illegal.

 

[Phoenall]

If neither side recognizes or respects the other's right to coexist peacefully and reside as neighbors, then both are going to feel the other is imposing on them.

Why not enforce a rule that the only people allowed residency there are those who agree to live in peace. Put such high standards on residency and land ownership that only the truly peaceful people who promote unified relations between Jews, Christians, Muslims etc. will be in charge.

Anyone else who cannot make or keep a commitment to live civilly can be a guest there only if a resident or property owner agrees to take responsibility for them as guest. Anything goes wrong, such as commit a crime or act of violence against a neighbor, and either that resident or both the guest and their sponsoring resident lose their right to live there.

Similar to getting kicked out of school for starting a fight.

Organize all the communities, groups, neighborhoods to agree to a civil ordinance and a way to police it and to resolve grievances or complaints. Only pick people for the mediation who are truly inclusive and can work with all people.

Put the peacemakers in charge, instead of just letting the warmongers issue ultimatums back and forth, and see what a difference it makes if people are required to live in peace if they want ownership and residency there.

That rule is already in place if you look at the UN resolutions in regards to Palestine, the muslims flout this law all the time and laugh in the UN's face if they say anything. They should be removed from the UN and told they are no longer recognised until they can show they accept the rule of law.

Israel would NEVER violate UN Resolutions would it....

I think Israel holds the record for the number of violations!

Violations of UN Resolutions

And as you know these are just recommendations and have no force in law. Once they are given force in law then the muslims will have to abide by them, which is why they never end up in the ICC/ICJ. Also the vast majority of these resolutions are brought by islamonazi nations and their stooges as racist attacks

 

[Elvis Obama]

There is no occupation. its a political myth invented by Arafat in something like 1967 in order to foment unrest and build a false narrative for the Arab Muslim racist movement

See
There is No "Occupation" - Take A Pen
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From the standpoint of international law, it is important to note that prior to 1967, there was no other recognized sovereign power in the territories. Israel's capture of Judea-Samaria-Gaza and the Old City of Jerusalem in 1967 did not constitute an illegal "occupation" of someone else's land, because prior to 1967, there was no legal or recognized sovereign power there. The Jordanian occupation Judea-Samaria and Jerusalem during 1949-1967 was illegal, having been carried out in defiance of the United Nations Security Council. The only countries in the world to recognize it were Pakistan and (in part) England.

Furthermore, Israel captured the territories in self-defense. Israel took over Judea-Samaria-Gaza and the Old City of Jerusalem in self-defense, in response to aggression by Jordan and Egypt in June 1967. Had Jordan not invaded Israel --ignoring pleas by Israel to stay out of the war-- Israel would not control Judea and Samaria today. As former State Department Legal Adviser and former head of the International Court of Justice in the Hague, Stephen Schwebel, has written: "Where the prior holder of territory had seized that territory unlawfully, the state which subsequently takes that territory in the lawful exercise of self-defence has, against that prior holder, better title."

It is also significant that U.N. Security Council Resolution 242 does not require complete Israeli withdrawal from the territories. Resolution 242 requires Israel to withdraw "from territories" captured in 1967, but the authors of the resolution deliberately left out the word 'the' before 'territories' because it was their conviction --as articulated by then-British foreign secretary George Brown-- "that Israel will not withdraw from all the territories." The Soviets tried to insert 'the', but that effort was specifically rejected so as not to suggest that Israel is obliged to surrender all of the territories.

Finally, it should also be noted that the Oslo Accords recognize Israel's right to remain in the territories, at least until a final settlement is reached. The Oslo accords accept Israel's presence in the territories at least until an Israel-PA agreement on the final status of those areas. Chapter 2, Article X, Clause 4, specifically recognize that in the disputed territories, "Israel shall continue to carry the responsibility for external security, as well as the responsibility for overall security of Israelis for the purpose of safeguarding their internal security and public order" until a final accord is reached. Furthermore, the Oslo accords do not require Israel to dismantle any of the Israeli communities in Judea-Samaria-Gaza--in effect, an acknowledgment of Israel's right to maintain those communities, at least until a final-status agreement is reached.

In short, the notion that there is an illegal Israeli "occupation" is a myth.

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"Furthermore, Israel captured the territories in self-defense."

Period. The rest of this is window dressing. Israel kept getting attacked, and as any nation will do once they are attacked and successfully defend themselves, Israel imposed their conditions on the defeated enemy. That's how it's supposed to work, unconditional surrender.

Unfortunately, their enemy doesn't have the sense of a dog. They should have rolled over, bared their throat, and sued for peace. They never have. They have retained their aggressive posture, switched to terrorism and PR, and kept fighting.

 

[Humanity]

At this point peace will come once the pali's have earned it.

Israel has learned the hard way not to trust the Arabs.

But regardless, the occupation is a myth. The only people illegally occupying that land are the remnants of the defeated Arab Muslim armies.

If the occupation is a myth, then why isn't there one country on the planet willing to admit that?

There is, Israel ;--)

I can't help but notice you failed to address a single point made in the article. On any number of points there is no illegal Israeli occupation and you have nothing which which to refute that reality.

The revisionist palestinian diatribe simply doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

Ah yes, the occupier disagrees that there is an occupation yet the Supreme Court of the occupier disagrees with that assumption, along with every other nation on the planet!

There is NO point in addressing the propaganda article when it is simply that, propaganda!

No matter how zionuts try and dress up the illegal occupation as something else, the whole world knows that it IS illegal occupation!

Suffering from your mental phobia again I see. Have you tried taking tramadol or such like to ease your feelings of hatred and abject fear.

Now who says that the occupation is illegal, as all you manege to show is that the separation barrier is possibly illegal.

What a silly little troll you are Phoney...

You well know that the occupation is illegal, this has been proven MANY times, it's your retarded zionut brain cell that stops you seeing the truth...

 

[Humanity]

If neither side recognizes or respects the other's right to coexist peacefully and reside as neighbors, then both are going to feel the other is imposing on them.

Why not enforce a rule that the only people allowed residency there are those who agree to live in peace. Put such high standards on residency and land ownership that only the truly peaceful people who promote unified relations between Jews, Christians, Muslims etc. will be in charge.

Anyone else who cannot make or keep a commitment to live civilly can be a guest there only if a resident or property owner agrees to take responsibility for them as guest. Anything goes wrong, such as commit a crime or act of violence against a neighbor, and either that resident or both the guest and their sponsoring resident lose their right to live there.

Similar to getting kicked out of school for starting a fight.

Organize all the communities, groups, neighborhoods to agree to a civil ordinance and a way to police it and to resolve grievances or complaints. Only pick people for the mediation who are truly inclusive and can work with all people.

Put the peacemakers in charge, instead of just letting the warmongers issue ultimatums back and forth, and see what a difference it makes if people are required to live in peace if they want ownership and residency there.

That rule is already in place if you look at the UN resolutions in regards to Palestine, the muslims flout this law all the time and laugh in the UN's face if they say anything. They should be removed from the UN and told they are no longer recognised until they can show they accept the rule of law.

Israel would NEVER violate UN Resolutions would it....

I think Israel holds the record for the number of violations!

Violations of UN Resolutions

And as you know these are just recommendations and have no force in law. Once they are given force in law then the muslims will have to abide by them, which is why they never end up in the ICC/ICJ. Also the vast majority of these resolutions are brought by islamonazi nations and their stooges as racist attacks

So, it's ok for you to bring up UN Resolutions against Palestine but UN Resolutions have no bearing on Israel...

A typical zionut response to anyone who dare suggest that Israel may ALSO be in the wrong...

It's that zionut mentality that stops any chance of peace!

 

[Challenger]

There is No "Occupation" - Take A Pen

...by by Morton A. Klein, National President, Zionist Organization of America

That says it all, unsubstantiated opinion piece by a Zionist expounding his ideological fantasies.

 

[Humanity]

If neither side recognizes or respects the other's right to coexist peacefully and reside as neighbors, then both are going to feel the other is imposing on them.

Why not enforce a rule that the only people allowed residency there are those who agree to live in peace. Put such high standards on residency and land ownership that only the truly peaceful people who promote unified relations between Jews, Christians, Muslims etc. will be in charge.

Anyone else who cannot make or keep a commitment to live civilly can be a guest there only if a resident or property owner agrees to take responsibility for them as guest. Anything goes wrong, such as commit a crime or act of violence against a neighbor, and either that resident or both the guest and their sponsoring resident lose their right to live there.

Similar to getting kicked out of school for starting a fight.

Organize all the communities, groups, neighborhoods to agree to a civil ordinance and a way to police it and to resolve grievances or complaints. Only pick people for the mediation who are truly inclusive and can work with all people.

Put the peacemakers in charge, instead of just letting the warmongers issue ultimatums back and forth, and see what a difference it makes if people are required to live in peace if they want ownership and residency there.

That rule is already in place if you look at the UN resolutions in regards to Palestine, the muslims flout this law all the time and laugh in the UN's face if they say anything. They should be removed from the UN and told they are no longer recognised until they can show they accept the rule of law.

Israel would NEVER violate UN Resolutions would it....

I think Israel holds the record for the number of violations!

Violations of UN Resolutions

And as you know these are just recommendations and have no force in law. Once they are given force in law then the muslims will have to abide by them, which is why they never end up in the ICC/ICJ. Also the vast majority of these resolutions are brought by islamonazi nations and their stooges as racist attacks

And, as we all know your English comprehension troubles your understanding and capability to actually READ....

Let me help you....

"Israeli Violations of International Law - (9) Israel has violated 28 resolutions of the United Nations Security Council (which are legally binding on member-nations), and almost 100 resolutions of the United Nations General Assembly (which are not binding, but represent the will and understanding of the international community). And Israel is now in violation of the advisory opinion of the International Court of Justice of 2004, condemning the separation wall Israel is building throughout the occupied West Bank."

So, yes, some ARE legally binding...

Some are not, however, they "represent the will and understanding of the international community"...

If member-nations repeatedly ignore UN Resolutions then they should be punished/kicked ... Oh and, unlike you, I would include those who I support not JUST Israel!

 

[Humanity]

You fail to produce any evidence that is not from a biased source

Hahaha, you fail to produce ANY evidence from ANY source...

 

[Boston1]

Sounds like we have a lot of kicking and screaming over a few simple realities. Lets review

So far no one is really able to refute the fact that the term palestinians in reference to the Jordanians stripped of their Jordanian citizenship, wasn't invented until about 1967 apparently by Arafat.

See
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwjC0dyDzM_KAhUps4MKHYCkCysQFggcMAA&url=http://chersonandmolschky.com/2014/01/09/palestinians-invented-people/&usg=AFQjCNEOsVfX9e8Oc9UtIyxI6AMF-w2pZw&sig2=ALCJdVJU3wVfqwQXvrN0yA&bvm=bv.113034660,d.amc

Glad we can agree on that ;--)

No one has been able to refute the fact that this isn't an occupation since the land was ceded to Israel in the various legal instruments that encouraged the creation of the national Jewish homeland in the first place.

Although one of our less knowledgeable contestants suggested the Israeli supreme court had made some determination, yet failed to provide any references as is usual with those kind of people.

Once again the level of anxiety over a simple fact is representative of the level of cognitive dissonance among the racists and bigots that so often depend on revisionist views to maintain their hatred of the Judaic people.

So what we are left with is

There is no occupation. Israel is exactly where it is was legally intended to be.

Cheers

 

[RoccoR]

Boston1 et al,

What is really going to be interesting is the findings for the preliminary ICC Examination comes up with in the occupied Palestinian territory, including East Jerusalem; and the re-examination that “Gaza Freedom Flotilla” relative to necessary and sufficient gravity to justify further action by the Court.

So what we are left with is

There is no occupation. Israel is exactly where it is was legally intended to be.

Cheers

(COMMENT)

I'm hoping that a the court answers a lot of questions.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Humanity]

Sounds like we have a lot of kicking and screaming over a few simple realities. Lets review

So far no one is really able to refute the fact that the term palestinians in reference to the Jordanians stripped of their Jordanian citizenship, wasn't invented until about 1967 apparently by Arafat.

See
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwjC0dyDzM_KAhUps4MKHYCkCysQFggcMAA&url=http://chersonandmolschky.com/2014/01/09/palestinians-invented-people/&usg=AFQjCNEOsVfX9e8Oc9UtIyxI6AMF-w2pZw&sig2=ALCJdVJU3wVfqwQXvrN0yA&bvm=bv.113034660,d.amc

Glad we can agree on that ;--)

No one has been able to refute the fact that this isn't an occupation since the land was ceded to Israel in the various legal instruments that encouraged the creation of the national Jewish homeland in the first place.

Although one of our less knowledgeable contestants suggested the Israeli supreme court had made some determination, yet failed to provide any references as is usual with those kind of people.

Once again the level of anxiety over a simple fact is representative of the level of cognitive dissonance among the racists and bigots that so often depend on revisionist views to maintain their hatred of the Judaic people.

So what we are left with is

There is no occupation. Israel is exactly where it is was legally intended to be.

Cheers

The problem is that Team Zionut are incapable of accepting simple fact....

The simple fact that the occupation is REAL...

The simple fact that only ONE country in the world who considers it NOT an occupation and thats the occupier...

The simple fact that even the Supreme Court of Israel considers the situation as "Belligerent occupation"... Links have been posted MANY times for this but it looks like you are incapable of even looking for them so, here, let me help you...

HCJ 316/03
ICRC service

So what are we left with?

Israel the Occupier....

It must be a sad, lonely place in your head... For that lonely brain cell that occupies it!

Now, run along.... There's a good little zionut!

 

[Humanity]

Sounds like we have a lot of kicking and screaming over a few simple realities. Lets review

So far no one is really able to refute the fact that the term palestinians in reference to the Jordanians stripped of their Jordanian citizenship, wasn't invented until about 1967 apparently by Arafat.

See
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwjC0dyDzM_KAhUps4MKHYCkCysQFggcMAA&url=http://chersonandmolschky.com/2014/01/09/palestinians-invented-people/&usg=AFQjCNEOsVfX9e8Oc9UtIyxI6AMF-w2pZw&sig2=ALCJdVJU3wVfqwQXvrN0yA&bvm=bv.113034660,d.amc

Glad we can agree on that ;--)

No one has been able to refute the fact that this isn't an occupation since the land was ceded to Israel in the various legal instruments that encouraged the creation of the national Jewish homeland in the first place.

Although one of our less knowledgeable contestants suggested the Israeli supreme court had made some determination, yet failed to provide any references as is usual with those kind of people.

Once again the level of anxiety over a simple fact is representative of the level of cognitive dissonance among the racists and bigots that so often depend on revisionist views to maintain their hatred of the Judaic people.

So what we are left with is

There is no occupation. Israel is exactly where it is was legally intended to be.

Cheers

Suggestion....

Try popping your rather low quality .gif into your Signature like everyone else... Will make the board a much tidier looking place!!!

 

[Boston1]

I offered a perfectly reasonable compromise, drop your flag and I'll drop mine ;--)

I even implemented my suggestion and gave you three strikes.

A litany of profanity as I recall was your response, typical. However if you'd care to try again I think it only appropriate that you take a turn. Drop your flag and I'll be happy to drop mine ;--)

When dealing with children its always best to treat them as such ;--) Fairs fair, lets see if you are old enough to respond in a civilized tone ;--)

However I can't help but notice you haven't provided a moment of substance in the discussion about the occupation myth.

As I recall the adults have determined that there is no occupation

And of course you once again failed to provide any links to whatever childish claims you seem fixated on.

 

[RoccoR]

Humanity, et al,

I really don't think Israel cares which way it goes.

The simple fact that even the Supreme Court of Israel considers the situation as "Belligerent occupation"... Links have been posted MANY times for this but it looks like you are incapable of even looking for them so, here, let me help you...

HCJ 316/03
ICRC service

So what are we left with?

Israel the Occupier....

It must be a sad, lonely place in your head... For that lonely brain cell that occupies it!

Now, run along.... There's a good little zionut!

(COMMENT)

If it is an occupation THEN, the Palestinians must accept responsibility for:

• Acts of war committed on behalf of the Arab Palestinian people against Israel.
• Announced Political Positions concerning the recognition of Israel.
• Attack directed against any civilian population" referred to in Article 7, Paragraph 1, against any Israeli population:
• Incitement to violence and advocating attacks against Israel.
• Opening Hostilities on Israel, and advocating the continuation of the conflict since 1948.

Accept that every attack by elements of the Palestinian Government, every attack encouraged by the Palestinian Government is a International Humanitarian Law and the Fourth Geneva Convention.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Boston1]

Even if the bias ICC does determine that Israel is occupying the territories is it an illegal occupation ? One must remember that the situation developed from the Arab declaration of war in 1948 and as such Israel is the wronged party to the aggressive Arab acts of war.

 

[Humanity]

Even if the bias ICC does determine that Israel is occupying the territories is it an illegal occupation ? One must remember that the situation developed from the Arab declaration of war in 1948 and as such Israel is the wronged party to the aggressive Arab acts of war.

It's already illegal occupation...

Who gives a ducks arse what the "bias ICC" (hahaha) thinks....

It's already been declared "Belligerent Occupation" by Israel's own courts!

 

[Boston1]

As usual you are making another baseless claim. Have you really not a single reference that supports your ideology

The occupation myth was also started in about 1967 by Arafat. And again had about as little basis in reality as the existence of any people called palestinians

 

[Humanity]

Humanity, et al,

I really don't think Israel cares which way it goes.

The simple fact that even the Supreme Court of Israel considers the situation as "Belligerent occupation"... Links have been posted MANY times for this but it looks like you are incapable of even looking for them so, here, let me help you...

HCJ 316/03
ICRC service

So what are we left with?

Israel the Occupier....

It must be a sad, lonely place in your head... For that lonely brain cell that occupies it!

Now, run along.... There's a good little zionut!

(COMMENT)

If it is an occupation THEN, the Palestinians must accept responsibility for:

• Acts of war committed on behalf of the Arab Palestinian people against Israel.
• Announced Political Positions concerning the recognition of Israel.
• Attack directed against any civilian population" referred to in Article 7, Paragraph 1, against any Israeli population:
• Incitement to violence and advocating attacks against Israel.
• Opening Hostilities on Israel, and advocating the continuation of the conflict since 1948.

Accept that every attack by elements of the Palestinian Government, every attack encouraged by the Palestinian Government is a International Humanitarian Law and the Fourth Geneva Convention.

Most Respectfully,
R

Wow, that's pretty neat work Rocco...

How to turn a negative into a positive, people could really learn from you!

How to lose in court and then push all of the 'fault'/'responsibility' onto the winner! You a lawyer? hahahaha

Yes, Palestine will have a lot of 'work' but I think that you might find that Israel will be totally screwed!

Palestine will have a lot of weight behind it when the ICC judge that in fact it is occupation by Israel...

Israel still has the Samson Option at least that

 

[Boston1]

The ICC just as most UN organizations really only delivers opinions and as such none of their opinions carry much weight.

So again the myth never really carried much weight other than in the Arab block controlled UN