CDZ Actual illegal immigration reform

[AsianTrumpSupporter]

Until and unless actual immigration is reform, I fully support Trump going after and deporting illegal immigrants. However, if we're going to have any reform at all, I wouldn't be opposed to something like this:

-Any illegal immigrant currently in the country and who can document that he or she has been here for X number of years (some arbitrary number we can all agree on) would be eligible for a work visa to work in the fields or similar work such as lawn care, hotel maids, etc. if and only if he or she does not have a serious, criminal record (i.e., rape, murder, robbery, fraud, identity theft, grand theft, etc.).

-These illegal immigrants would have to pay some fine to get into the work visa program. They would have to admit that they broke the law by illegally immigrating to America and working illegally in America. A plea of "no contest" would not be sufficient.

-While in the work visa program, these illegal immigrants would be ineligible for welfare of any kind except for maybe, at most, 1-3 months of unemployment per year if they get laid off (not eligible if they are fired for cause).

-These illegal immigrants should have to renew their work visa every year (paying the appropriate renewal fees and taxes) to ensure they are holding up their end of the bargain. They would have to keep a clean, criminal record (none of the serious crimes mentioned above) and keep a qualifying job for at least 90% of the time that they are in the work visa program.

-If these illegal immigrants can satisfy these requirements and stay in the work visa program for X number of years (i.e., 5-10 years), they can apply for (but are not entitled to or guaranteed) a green card. When they do so, they go to the back of the line of everyone else already in line from around the world trying to get a green card. There will be no guarantee that they will ever get a green card, but they will be protected from deportation while they wait and will continue to be allowed to stay in the work visa program unless and until they can graduate to a green card.

-At any time during their stay up until they actually get citizenship (again, not guaranteed), they are subject to deportation if they're found guilty of any serious crimes.

-While in the work visa program, they pay the appropriate social security taxes (as well as other taxes), but their right to social security does not vest unless and until they actually become citizens. If they are deported without becoming citizens, they lose out on social security, and that money goes towards paying citizens' social security.

Citizenship is a privilege, not a right. However, I'm not opposed to people coming in on a work visa to work in our fields if they are good, hard working people who keep a clean, criminal record. This is just a general, broad outline, and we can debate and tweak things here and there. But this is the general outline I'd support.

Otherwise, no reform, and all illegal immigrants remain eligible for deportation at any time.

 

[Correll]

I want all those jobs for Americans, and surplus supply of labor decreases wages.


Deport them all.

 

[AsianTrumpSupporter]

I want all those jobs for Americans, and surplus supply of labor decreases wages.


Deport them all.

I'm not opposed to that either. An alternate program could require chronically unemployed Americans who are on welfare to work at least 20 hours per year in the fields or for some non-profit or government agency.

 

[Oddball]

More statist turd polish.

Abolish all State freebies (yes, including "free" gubmint schools), then anyone and everyone who comes to Murica will have to pull their own weight.

Problems solved on both sides of the borders.

 

[Correll]

I want all those jobs for Americans, and surplus supply of labor decreases wages.


Deport them all.

I'm not opposed to that either. An alternate program could require chronically unemployed Americans who are on welfare to work at least 20 hours per year in the fields or for some non-profit or government agency.

Let the wages rise to the point that people want to do them, and the problem will take care of itself.

 

[william the wie]

I want all those jobs for Americans, and surplus supply of labor decreases wages.


Deport them all.

I'm not opposed to that either. An alternate program could require chronically unemployed Americans who are on welfare to work at least 20 hours per year in the fields or for some non-profit or government agency.

Let the wages rise to the point that people want to do them, and the problem will take care of itself.

no joke vertical farms in urban areas provide higher quality produce right now. Agricultural automation is coming on strong particularly in the area of robotics. Those jobs exist solely due to low wages. Wages rise the jobs disappear.

 

[Correll]

I want all those jobs for Americans, and surplus supply of labor decreases wages.


Deport them all.

I'm not opposed to that either. An alternate program could require chronically unemployed Americans who are on welfare to work at least 20 hours per year in the fields or for some non-profit or government agency.

Let the wages rise to the point that people want to do them, and the problem will take care of itself.

no joke vertical farms in urban areas provide higher quality produce right now. Agricultural automation is coming on strong particularly in the area of robotics. Those jobs exist solely due to low wages. Wages rise the jobs disappear.

Better an American robot doing the picking, than a Mexican.

 

[Rambunctious]

Do not buy the line from fake state run news that Americans won't pick fruit....Americans will do those jobs and I for one would like to know that documented and fairly compensated people are handling my food....

 

[Toronado3800]

Until and unless actual immigration is reform, I fully support Trump going after and deporting illegal immigrants. However, if we're going to have any reform at all, I wouldn't be opposed to something like this:

-Any illegal immigrant currently in the country and who can document that he or she has been here for X number of years (some arbitrary number we can all agree on) would be eligible for a work visa to work in the fields or similar work such as lawn care, hotel maids, etc. if and only if he or she does not have a serious, criminal record (i.e., rape, murder, robbery, fraud, identity theft, grand theft, etc.).

-These illegal immigrants would have to pay some fine to get into the work visa program. They would have to admit that they broke the law by illegally immigrating to America and working illegally in America. A plea of "no contest" would not be sufficient.

-While in the work visa program, these illegal immigrants would be ineligible for welfare of any kind except for maybe, at most, 1-3 months of unemployment per year if they get laid off (not eligible if they are fired for cause).

-These illegal immigrants should have to renew their work visa every year (paying the appropriate renewal fees and taxes) to ensure they are holding up their end of the bargain. They would have to keep a clean, criminal record (none of the serious crimes mentioned above) and keep a qualifying job for at least 90% of the time that they are in the work visa program.

-If these illegal immigrants can satisfy these requirements and stay in the work visa program for X number of years (i.e., 5-10 years), they can apply for (but are not entitled to or guaranteed) a green card. When they do so, they go to the back of the line of everyone else already in line from around the world trying to get a green card. There will be no guarantee that they will ever get a green card, but they will be protected from deportation while they wait and will continue to be allowed to stay in the work visa program unless and until they can graduate to a green card.

-At any time during their stay up until they actually get citizenship (again, not guaranteed), they are subject to deportation if they're found guilty of any serious crimes.

-While in the work visa program, they pay the appropriate social security taxes (as well as other taxes), but their right to social security does not vest unless and until they actually become citizens. If they are deported without becoming citizens, they lose out on social security, and that money goes towards paying citizens' social security.

Citizenship is a privilege, not a right. However, I'm not opposed to people coming in on a work visa to work in our fields if they are good, hard working people who keep a clean, criminal record. This is just a general, broad outline, and we can debate and tweak things here and there. But this is the general outline I'd support.

Otherwise, no reform, and all illegal immigrants remain eligible for deportation at any time.

We can probably work together on this.

-I'd let folks work in almost any field on their work VISA.

-I say go soft on the fine. Our illegal brothers and sisters probably aren't the richest.

-Give them instant citizenship and a reward for turning in whoever hired them while they were illegal. If they got the job with a great fake ID fine, if not someone is in trouble....

-Here is the kicker, I wanna double the number of legal immigrants we let in. I'm big on starting a Homestead Act like program which gives city owned properties in the rust belt away to anyone who can live there and keep the buildings from falling in on themselves for a decade. We aren't going to force ppl to take them but hey, the last Homestead Act did us well.

 

[danielpalos]

Until and unless actual immigration is reform, I fully support Trump going after and deporting illegal immigrants. However, if we're going to have any reform at all, I wouldn't be opposed to something like this:

-Any illegal immigrant currently in the country and who can document that he or she has been here for X number of years (some arbitrary number we can all agree on) would be eligible for a work visa to work in the fields or similar work such as lawn care, hotel maids, etc. if and only if he or she does not have a serious, criminal record (i.e., rape, murder, robbery, fraud, identity theft, grand theft, etc.).

-These illegal immigrants would have to pay some fine to get into the work visa program. They would have to admit that they broke the law by illegally immigrating to America and working illegally in America. A plea of "no contest" would not be sufficient.

-While in the work visa program, these illegal immigrants would be ineligible for welfare of any kind except for maybe, at most, 1-3 months of unemployment per year if they get laid off (not eligible if they are fired for cause).

-These illegal immigrants should have to renew their work visa every year (paying the appropriate renewal fees and taxes) to ensure they are holding up their end of the bargain. They would have to keep a clean, criminal record (none of the serious crimes mentioned above) and keep a qualifying job for at least 90% of the time that they are in the work visa program.

-If these illegal immigrants can satisfy these requirements and stay in the work visa program for X number of years (i.e., 5-10 years), they can apply for (but are not entitled to or guaranteed) a green card. When they do so, they go to the back of the line of everyone else already in line from around the world trying to get a green card. There will be no guarantee that they will ever get a green card, but they will be protected from deportation while they wait and will continue to be allowed to stay in the work visa program unless and until they can graduate to a green card.

-At any time during their stay up until they actually get citizenship (again, not guaranteed), they are subject to deportation if they're found guilty of any serious crimes.

-While in the work visa program, they pay the appropriate social security taxes (as well as other taxes), but their right to social security does not vest unless and until they actually become citizens. If they are deported without becoming citizens, they lose out on social security, and that money goes towards paying citizens' social security.

Citizenship is a privilege, not a right. However, I'm not opposed to people coming in on a work visa to work in our fields if they are good, hard working people who keep a clean, criminal record. This is just a general, broad outline, and we can debate and tweak things here and there. But this is the general outline I'd support.

Otherwise, no reform, and all illegal immigrants remain eligible for deportation at any time.

Only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy.

 

[anotherlife]

Until and unless actual immigration is reform, I fully support Trump going after and deporting illegal immigrants. However, if we're going to have any reform at all, I wouldn't be opposed to something like this:

-Any illegal immigrant currently in the country and who can document that he or she has been here for X number of years (some arbitrary number we can all agree on) would be eligible for a work visa to work in the fields or similar work such as lawn care, hotel maids, etc. if and only if he or she does not have a serious, criminal record (i.e., rape, murder, robbery, fraud, identity theft, grand theft, etc.).

-These illegal immigrants would have to pay some fine to get into the work visa program. They would have to admit that they broke the law by illegally immigrating to America and working illegally in America. A plea of "no contest" would not be sufficient.

-While in the work visa program, these illegal immigrants would be ineligible for welfare of any kind except for maybe, at most, 1-3 months of unemployment per year if they get laid off (not eligible if they are fired for cause).

-These illegal immigrants should have to renew their work visa every year (paying the appropriate renewal fees and taxes) to ensure they are holding up their end of the bargain. They would have to keep a clean, criminal record (none of the serious crimes mentioned above) and keep a qualifying job for at least 90% of the time that they are in the work visa program.

-If these illegal immigrants can satisfy these requirements and stay in the work visa program for X number of years (i.e., 5-10 years), they can apply for (but are not entitled to or guaranteed) a green card. When they do so, they go to the back of the line of everyone else already in line from around the world trying to get a green card. There will be no guarantee that they will ever get a green card, but they will be protected from deportation while they wait and will continue to be allowed to stay in the work visa program unless and until they can graduate to a green card.

-At any time during their stay up until they actually get citizenship (again, not guaranteed), they are subject to deportation if they're found guilty of any serious crimes.

-While in the work visa program, they pay the appropriate social security taxes (as well as other taxes), but their right to social security does not vest unless and until they actually become citizens. If they are deported without becoming citizens, they lose out on social security, and that money goes towards paying citizens' social security.

Citizenship is a privilege, not a right. However, I'm not opposed to people coming in on a work visa to work in our fields if they are good, hard working people who keep a clean, criminal record. This is just a general, broad outline, and we can debate and tweak things here and there. But this is the general outline I'd support.

Otherwise, no reform, and all illegal immigrants remain eligible for deportation at any time.

Only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy.

Border policy is a socialist invention.

 

[danielpalos]

Until and unless actual immigration is reform, I fully support Trump going after and deporting illegal immigrants. However, if we're going to have any reform at all, I wouldn't be opposed to something like this:

-Any illegal immigrant currently in the country and who can document that he or she has been here for X number of years (some arbitrary number we can all agree on) would be eligible for a work visa to work in the fields or similar work such as lawn care, hotel maids, etc. if and only if he or she does not have a serious, criminal record (i.e., rape, murder, robbery, fraud, identity theft, grand theft, etc.).

-These illegal immigrants would have to pay some fine to get into the work visa program. They would have to admit that they broke the law by illegally immigrating to America and working illegally in America. A plea of "no contest" would not be sufficient.

-While in the work visa program, these illegal immigrants would be ineligible for welfare of any kind except for maybe, at most, 1-3 months of unemployment per year if they get laid off (not eligible if they are fired for cause).

-These illegal immigrants should have to renew their work visa every year (paying the appropriate renewal fees and taxes) to ensure they are holding up their end of the bargain. They would have to keep a clean, criminal record (none of the serious crimes mentioned above) and keep a qualifying job for at least 90% of the time that they are in the work visa program.

-If these illegal immigrants can satisfy these requirements and stay in the work visa program for X number of years (i.e., 5-10 years), they can apply for (but are not entitled to or guaranteed) a green card. When they do so, they go to the back of the line of everyone else already in line from around the world trying to get a green card. There will be no guarantee that they will ever get a green card, but they will be protected from deportation while they wait and will continue to be allowed to stay in the work visa program unless and until they can graduate to a green card.

-At any time during their stay up until they actually get citizenship (again, not guaranteed), they are subject to deportation if they're found guilty of any serious crimes.

-While in the work visa program, they pay the appropriate social security taxes (as well as other taxes), but their right to social security does not vest unless and until they actually become citizens. If they are deported without becoming citizens, they lose out on social security, and that money goes towards paying citizens' social security.

Citizenship is a privilege, not a right. However, I'm not opposed to people coming in on a work visa to work in our fields if they are good, hard working people who keep a clean, criminal record. This is just a general, broad outline, and we can debate and tweak things here and there. But this is the general outline I'd support.

Otherwise, no reform, and all illegal immigrants remain eligible for deportation at any time.

Only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy.

Border policy is a socialist invention.

An occupational hazard with Statism.

 

[oldsoul]

Until and unless actual immigration is reform, I fully support Trump going after and deporting illegal immigrants. However, if we're going to have any reform at all, I wouldn't be opposed to something like this:

-Any illegal immigrant currently in the country and who can document that he or she has been here for X number of years (some arbitrary number we can all agree on) would be eligible for a work visa to work in the fields or similar work such as lawn care, hotel maids, etc. if and only if he or she does not have a serious, criminal record (i.e., rape, murder, robbery, fraud, identity theft, grand theft, etc.).

-These illegal immigrants would have to pay some fine to get into the work visa program. They would have to admit that they broke the law by illegally immigrating to America and working illegally in America. A plea of "no contest" would not be sufficient.

-While in the work visa program, these illegal immigrants would be ineligible for welfare of any kind except for maybe, at most, 1-3 months of unemployment per year if they get laid off (not eligible if they are fired for cause).

-These illegal immigrants should have to renew their work visa every year (paying the appropriate renewal fees and taxes) to ensure they are holding up their end of the bargain. They would have to keep a clean, criminal record (none of the serious crimes mentioned above) and keep a qualifying job for at least 90% of the time that they are in the work visa program.

-If these illegal immigrants can satisfy these requirements and stay in the work visa program for X number of years (i.e., 5-10 years), they can apply for (but are not entitled to or guaranteed) a green card. When they do so, they go to the back of the line of everyone else already in line from around the world trying to get a green card. There will be no guarantee that they will ever get a green card, but they will be protected from deportation while they wait and will continue to be allowed to stay in the work visa program unless and until they can graduate to a green card.

-At any time during their stay up until they actually get citizenship (again, not guaranteed), they are subject to deportation if they're found guilty of any serious crimes.

-While in the work visa program, they pay the appropriate social security taxes (as well as other taxes), but their right to social security does not vest unless and until they actually become citizens. If they are deported without becoming citizens, they lose out on social security, and that money goes towards paying citizens' social security.

Citizenship is a privilege, not a right. However, I'm not opposed to people coming in on a work visa to work in our fields if they are good, hard working people who keep a clean, criminal record. This is just a general, broad outline, and we can debate and tweak things here and there. But this is the general outline I'd support.

Otherwise, no reform, and all illegal immigrants remain eligible for deportation at any time.

We can probably work together on this.

-I'd let folks work in almost any field on their work VISA.

-I say go soft on the fine. Our illegal brothers and sisters probably aren't the richest.

-Give them instant citizenship and a reward for turning in whoever hired them while they were illegal. If they got the job with a great fake ID fine, if not someone is in trouble....

-Here is the kicker, I wanna double the number of legal immigrants we let in. I'm big on starting a Homestead Act like program which gives city owned properties in the rust belt away to anyone who can live there and keep the buildings from falling in on themselves for a decade. We aren't going to force ppl to take them but hey, the last Homestead Act did us well.

I could live with the first point. However, a couple of tweaks to the others:

• This should not be without sacrifice on their part, so a significant fine. Say 10% of net income for a year. That way those who make more, pay more. Those who make less, pay less. Kind of like the tax system.
  
• Not instant citizenship. "Fast track" them through the process, assuming: (1)they have been here, contributing in some way, for an arbitrary number on years (let's say 5 years as a starting point), (2)no criminal record of anything more serious than minor traffic violations or Jaywalking, and (3)maintain gainful employment throughout the process.
• Not big on forcing anyone to give up land, even cities. How about interest free loans to purchase said properties? I'd even be okay with steep tax reductions on any business they may start there. Of course they would need to maintain sole ownership (property and business) for the entire decade though, no investors with partial ownership.

What do you think?

 

[Centrista]

Until and unless actual immigration is reform, I fully support Trump going after and deporting illegal immigrants. However, if we're going to have any reform at all, I wouldn't be opposed to something like this:

-Any illegal immigrant currently in the country and who can document that he or she has been here for X number of years (some arbitrary number we can all agree on) would be eligible for a work visa to work in the fields or similar work such as lawn care, hotel maids, etc. if and only if he or she does not have a serious, criminal record (i.e., rape, murder, robbery, fraud, identity theft, grand theft, etc.).

-These illegal immigrants would have to pay some fine to get into the work visa program. They would have to admit that they broke the law by illegally immigrating to America and working illegally in America. A plea of "no contest" would not be sufficient.

-While in the work visa program, these illegal immigrants would be ineligible for welfare of any kind except for maybe, at most, 1-3 months of unemployment per year if they get laid off (not eligible if they are fired for cause).

-These illegal immigrants should have to renew their work visa every year (paying the appropriate renewal fees and taxes) to ensure they are holding up their end of the bargain. They would have to keep a clean, criminal record (none of the serious crimes mentioned above) and keep a qualifying job for at least 90% of the time that they are in the work visa program.

-If these illegal immigrants can satisfy these requirements and stay in the work visa program for X number of years (i.e., 5-10 years), they can apply for (but are not entitled to or guaranteed) a green card. When they do so, they go to the back of the line of everyone else already in line from around the world trying to get a green card. There will be no guarantee that they will ever get a green card, but they will be protected from deportation while they wait and will continue to be allowed to stay in the work visa program unless and until they can graduate to a green card.

-At any time during their stay up until they actually get citizenship (again, not guaranteed), they are subject to deportation if they're found guilty of any serious crimes.

-While in the work visa program, they pay the appropriate social security taxes (as well as other taxes), but their right to social security does not vest unless and until they actually become citizens. If they are deported without becoming citizens, they lose out on social security, and that money goes towards paying citizens' social security.

Citizenship is a privilege, not a right. However, I'm not opposed to people coming in on a work visa to work in our fields if they are good, hard working people who keep a clean, criminal record. This is just a general, broad outline, and we can debate and tweak things here and there. But this is the general outline I'd support.

Otherwise, no reform, and all illegal immigrants remain eligible for deportation at any time.

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[Toronado3800]

Until and unless actual immigration is reform, I fully support Trump going after and deporting illegal immigrants. However, if we're going to have any reform at all, I wouldn't be opposed to something like this:

-Any illegal immigrant currently in the country and who can document that he or she has been here for X number of years (some arbitrary number we can all agree on) would be eligible for a work visa to work in the fields or similar work such as lawn care, hotel maids, etc. if and only if he or she does not have a serious, criminal record (i.e., rape, murder, robbery, fraud, identity theft, grand theft, etc.).

-These illegal immigrants would have to pay some fine to get into the work visa program. They would have to admit that they broke the law by illegally immigrating to America and working illegally in America. A plea of "no contest" would not be sufficient.

-While in the work visa program, these illegal immigrants would be ineligible for welfare of any kind except for maybe, at most, 1-3 months of unemployment per year if they get laid off (not eligible if they are fired for cause).

-These illegal immigrants should have to renew their work visa every year (paying the appropriate renewal fees and taxes) to ensure they are holding up their end of the bargain. They would have to keep a clean, criminal record (none of the serious crimes mentioned above) and keep a qualifying job for at least 90% of the time that they are in the work visa program.

-If these illegal immigrants can satisfy these requirements and stay in the work visa program for X number of years (i.e., 5-10 years), they can apply for (but are not entitled to or guaranteed) a green card. When they do so, they go to the back of the line of everyone else already in line from around the world trying to get a green card. There will be no guarantee that they will ever get a green card, but they will be protected from deportation while they wait and will continue to be allowed to stay in the work visa program unless and until they can graduate to a green card.

-At any time during their stay up until they actually get citizenship (again, not guaranteed), they are subject to deportation if they're found guilty of any serious crimes.

-While in the work visa program, they pay the appropriate social security taxes (as well as other taxes), but their right to social security does not vest unless and until they actually become citizens. If they are deported without becoming citizens, they lose out on social security, and that money goes towards paying citizens' social security.

Citizenship is a privilege, not a right. However, I'm not opposed to people coming in on a work visa to work in our fields if they are good, hard working people who keep a clean, criminal record. This is just a general, broad outline, and we can debate and tweak things here and there. But this is the general outline I'd support.

Otherwise, no reform, and all illegal immigrants remain eligible for deportation at any time.

We can probably work together on this.

-I'd let folks work in almost any field on their work VISA.

-I say go soft on the fine. Our illegal brothers and sisters probably aren't the richest.

-Give them instant citizenship and a reward for turning in whoever hired them while they were illegal. If they got the job with a great fake ID fine, if not someone is in trouble....

-Here is the kicker, I wanna double the number of legal immigrants we let in. I'm big on starting a Homestead Act like program which gives city owned properties in the rust belt away to anyone who can live there and keep the buildings from falling in on themselves for a decade. We aren't going to force ppl to take them but hey, the last Homestead Act did us well.

I could live with the first point. However, a couple of tweaks to the others:

• This should not be without sacrifice on their part, so a significant fine. Say 10% of net income for a year. That way those who make more, pay more. Those who make less, pay less. Kind of like the tax system.
  
• Not instant citizenship. "Fast track" them through the process, assuming: (1)they have been here, contributing in some way, for an arbitrary number on years (let's say 5 years as a starting point), (2)no criminal record of anything more serious than minor traffic violations or Jaywalking, and (3)maintain gainful employment throughout the process.
• Not big on forcing anyone to give up land, even cities. How about interest free loans to purchase said properties? I'd even be okay with steep tax reductions on any business they may start there. Of course they would need to maintain sole ownership (property and business) for the entire decade though, no investors with partial ownership.

What do you think?

We're not far off.

- I would not force private citizens to give up land in cities. Many places like St Louis have "land banks", lists of formerly private property the city now owns because folks just didn't pay their taxes. They go up for auction all the time and some go unpurchased. Maintaining them is a liability since for some reason we can't just let the trees grow in. These would be the places I'm giving away. They're not great but hey, if we can get a barrio of ppl who care they'll figure it out.

-Agreed, not instant citizenship. And agreed 100% on the criminal record thing.

-I think taxes are enough of a fine. I'd rather mandate community service, job skills or even English classes.

 

[jwoodie]

A much simpler approach would be to require proof of10 years of self support and paying taxes before eligibility for a green card.

Legal immigrants are supposed to be self supporting, so why should illegal immigrants be held to a lesser standard?

 

[danielpalos]

A much simpler approach would be to require proof of10 years of self support and paying taxes before eligibility for a green card.

Legal immigrants are supposed to be self supporting, so why should illegal immigrants be held to a lesser standard?

How is that market friendly?

 

[oldsoul]

Until and unless actual immigration is reform, I fully support Trump going after and deporting illegal immigrants. However, if we're going to have any reform at all, I wouldn't be opposed to something like this:

-Any illegal immigrant currently in the country and who can document that he or she has been here for X number of years (some arbitrary number we can all agree on) would be eligible for a work visa to work in the fields or similar work such as lawn care, hotel maids, etc. if and only if he or she does not have a serious, criminal record (i.e., rape, murder, robbery, fraud, identity theft, grand theft, etc.).

-These illegal immigrants would have to pay some fine to get into the work visa program. They would have to admit that they broke the law by illegally immigrating to America and working illegally in America. A plea of "no contest" would not be sufficient.

-While in the work visa program, these illegal immigrants would be ineligible for welfare of any kind except for maybe, at most, 1-3 months of unemployment per year if they get laid off (not eligible if they are fired for cause).

-These illegal immigrants should have to renew their work visa every year (paying the appropriate renewal fees and taxes) to ensure they are holding up their end of the bargain. They would have to keep a clean, criminal record (none of the serious crimes mentioned above) and keep a qualifying job for at least 90% of the time that they are in the work visa program.

-If these illegal immigrants can satisfy these requirements and stay in the work visa program for X number of years (i.e., 5-10 years), they can apply for (but are not entitled to or guaranteed) a green card. When they do so, they go to the back of the line of everyone else already in line from around the world trying to get a green card. There will be no guarantee that they will ever get a green card, but they will be protected from deportation while they wait and will continue to be allowed to stay in the work visa program unless and until they can graduate to a green card.

-At any time during their stay up until they actually get citizenship (again, not guaranteed), they are subject to deportation if they're found guilty of any serious crimes.

-While in the work visa program, they pay the appropriate social security taxes (as well as other taxes), but their right to social security does not vest unless and until they actually become citizens. If they are deported without becoming citizens, they lose out on social security, and that money goes towards paying citizens' social security.

Citizenship is a privilege, not a right. However, I'm not opposed to people coming in on a work visa to work in our fields if they are good, hard working people who keep a clean, criminal record. This is just a general, broad outline, and we can debate and tweak things here and there. But this is the general outline I'd support.

Otherwise, no reform, and all illegal immigrants remain eligible for deportation at any time.

We can probably work together on this.

-I'd let folks work in almost any field on their work VISA.

-I say go soft on the fine. Our illegal brothers and sisters probably aren't the richest.

-Give them instant citizenship and a reward for turning in whoever hired them while they were illegal. If they got the job with a great fake ID fine, if not someone is in trouble....

-Here is the kicker, I wanna double the number of legal immigrants we let in. I'm big on starting a Homestead Act like program which gives city owned properties in the rust belt away to anyone who can live there and keep the buildings from falling in on themselves for a decade. We aren't going to force ppl to take them but hey, the last Homestead Act did us well.

I could live with the first point. However, a couple of tweaks to the others:

• This should not be without sacrifice on their part, so a significant fine. Say 10% of net income for a year. That way those who make more, pay more. Those who make less, pay less. Kind of like the tax system.
  
• Not instant citizenship. "Fast track" them through the process, assuming: (1)they have been here, contributing in some way, for an arbitrary number on years (let's say 5 years as a starting point), (2)no criminal record of anything more serious than minor traffic violations or Jaywalking, and (3)maintain gainful employment throughout the process.
• Not big on forcing anyone to give up land, even cities. How about interest free loans to purchase said properties? I'd even be okay with steep tax reductions on any business they may start there. Of course they would need to maintain sole ownership (property and business) for the entire decade though, no investors with partial ownership.

What do you think?

We're not far off.

- I would not force private citizens to give up land in cities. Many places like St Louis have "land banks", lists of formerly private property the city now owns because folks just didn't pay their taxes. They go up for auction all the time and some go unpurchased. Maintaining them is a liability since for some reason we can't just let the trees grow in. These would be the places I'm giving away. They're not great but hey, if we can get a barrio of ppl who care they'll figure it out.

-Agreed, not instant citizenship. And agreed 100% on the criminal record thing.

-I think taxes are enough of a fine. I'd rather mandate community service, job skills or even English classes.

Absolutely "no" on Private citizens giving up property, I apologise if gave the wrong impression. As for the tax forfeited properties, would you be will to agree to the owed tax, plus any "reasonable" maintenance costs incurred?

I have to disagree on the taxes/fine part. A law was broken, there must be consequences for that.

Also, I would like to see a "sunset clause" on this. I would hate for our grandchildren to be dealing with this mess in 50 years. There has to be something that prevents the unending continuation of such a program.

 

[oldsoul]

A much simpler approach would be to require proof of10 years of self support and paying taxes before eligibility for a green card.

Legal immigrants are supposed to be self supporting, so why should illegal immigrants be held to a lesser standard?

An excellent point. Not sure why danielpalos thought it was funny. Maybe they can explain...

 

[Toronado3800]

Until and unless actual immigration is reform, I fully support Trump going after and deporting illegal immigrants. However, if we're going to have any reform at all, I wouldn't be opposed to something like this:

-Any illegal immigrant currently in the country and who can document that he or she has been here for X number of years (some arbitrary number we can all agree on) would be eligible for a work visa to work in the fields or similar work such as lawn care, hotel maids, etc. if and only if he or she does not have a serious, criminal record (i.e., rape, murder, robbery, fraud, identity theft, grand theft, etc.).

-These illegal immigrants would have to pay some fine to get into the work visa program. They would have to admit that they broke the law by illegally immigrating to America and working illegally in America. A plea of "no contest" would not be sufficient.

-While in the work visa program, these illegal immigrants would be ineligible for welfare of any kind except for maybe, at most, 1-3 months of unemployment per year if they get laid off (not eligible if they are fired for cause).

-These illegal immigrants should have to renew their work visa every year (paying the appropriate renewal fees and taxes) to ensure they are holding up their end of the bargain. They would have to keep a clean, criminal record (none of the serious crimes mentioned above) and keep a qualifying job for at least 90% of the time that they are in the work visa program.

-If these illegal immigrants can satisfy these requirements and stay in the work visa program for X number of years (i.e., 5-10 years), they can apply for (but are not entitled to or guaranteed) a green card. When they do so, they go to the back of the line of everyone else already in line from around the world trying to get a green card. There will be no guarantee that they will ever get a green card, but they will be protected from deportation while they wait and will continue to be allowed to stay in the work visa program unless and until they can graduate to a green card.

-At any time during their stay up until they actually get citizenship (again, not guaranteed), they are subject to deportation if they're found guilty of any serious crimes.

-While in the work visa program, they pay the appropriate social security taxes (as well as other taxes), but their right to social security does not vest unless and until they actually become citizens. If they are deported without becoming citizens, they lose out on social security, and that money goes towards paying citizens' social security.

Citizenship is a privilege, not a right. However, I'm not opposed to people coming in on a work visa to work in our fields if they are good, hard working people who keep a clean, criminal record. This is just a general, broad outline, and we can debate and tweak things here and there. But this is the general outline I'd support.

Otherwise, no reform, and all illegal immigrants remain eligible for deportation at any time.

We can probably work together on this.

-I'd let folks work in almost any field on their work VISA.

-I say go soft on the fine. Our illegal brothers and sisters probably aren't the richest.

-Give them instant citizenship and a reward for turning in whoever hired them while they were illegal. If they got the job with a great fake ID fine, if not someone is in trouble....

-Here is the kicker, I wanna double the number of legal immigrants we let in. I'm big on starting a Homestead Act like program which gives city owned properties in the rust belt away to anyone who can live there and keep the buildings from falling in on themselves for a decade. We aren't going to force ppl to take them but hey, the last Homestead Act did us well.

I could live with the first point. However, a couple of tweaks to the others:

• This should not be without sacrifice on their part, so a significant fine. Say 10% of net income for a year. That way those who make more, pay more. Those who make less, pay less. Kind of like the tax system.
  
• Not instant citizenship. "Fast track" them through the process, assuming: (1)they have been here, contributing in some way, for an arbitrary number on years (let's say 5 years as a starting point), (2)no criminal record of anything more serious than minor traffic violations or Jaywalking, and (3)maintain gainful employment throughout the process.
• Not big on forcing anyone to give up land, even cities. How about interest free loans to purchase said properties? I'd even be okay with steep tax reductions on any business they may start there. Of course they would need to maintain sole ownership (property and business) for the entire decade though, no investors with partial ownership.

What do you think?

We're not far off.

- I would not force private citizens to give up land in cities. Many places like St Louis have "land banks", lists of formerly private property the city now owns because folks just didn't pay their taxes. They go up for auction all the time and some go unpurchased. Maintaining them is a liability since for some reason we can't just let the trees grow in. These would be the places I'm giving away. They're not great but hey, if we can get a barrio of ppl who care they'll figure it out.

-Agreed, not instant citizenship. And agreed 100% on the criminal record thing.

-I think taxes are enough of a fine. I'd rather mandate community service, job skills or even English classes.

Absolutely "no" on Private citizens giving up property, I apologise if gave the wrong impression. As for the tax forfeited properties, would you be will to agree to the owed tax, plus any "reasonable" maintenance costs incurred?

I have to disagree on the taxes/fine part. A law was broken, there must be consequences for that.

Also, I would like to see a "sunset clause" on this. I would hate for our grandchildren to be dealing with this mess in 50 years. There has to be something that prevents the unending continuation of such a program.

I'll run a stop clause every five or ten years. That's a fine idea and one I should have included.

Many old Midwest cities own many residential lots. They put them in "land banks" and try to auction them off for taxes owed. Its pretty comical how little value property in the wrong place has. Essentially this is government owned land the government has to maintain and tries to give away any

I hear you about the consequences for breaking immigration law. I don't want to make the fine or punishment a reason not to get legal, but you're right there are consequences for actions.