ACLU against free speech

[Desperado]

Looks like those Liberals turds at the ACLU have finally admitted they are Leftest assholes.

They are against free speech when it is in conflict with their Leftest agenda of hate and destruction.

Typical for Left Wingers all over the world. Free speech or any or liberty is to be sacrificed for Socialism. or the vile demented Left view of "social justice".


Leaked Internal Memo Reveals the ACLU Is Wavering on Free Speech

Leaked Internal Memo Reveals the ACLU Is Wavering on Free Speech

"Our defense of speech may have a greater or lesser harmful impact on the equality and justice work to which we are also committed."

The American Civil Liberties Union will weigh its interest in protecting the First Amendment against its other commitments to social justice, racial equality, and women's rights, given the possibility that offensive speech might undermine ACLU goals.

"Our defense of speech may have a greater or lesser harmful impact on the equality and justice work to which we are also committed," wrote ACLU staffers in a confidential memo obtained by former board member Wendy Kaminer.


It's hard to see this as anything other than a cowardly retreat from a full-throated defense of the First Amendment. Moving forward, when deciding whether to take a free speech case, the organization will consider "factors such as the (present and historical) context of the proposed speech; the potential effect on marginalized communities; the extent to which the speech may assist in advancing the goals of white supremacists or others whose views are contrary to our values; and the structural and power inequalities in the community in which the speech will occur."

This is just an example of right wing anti ACLU hysteria. First of all, the leaker, Wendy Kaminer, a strong advocate for free speech ,was at odds with the ACLU over what she regarded as an ethical decline. It goes to motive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy_Kaminerut

But that is almost beside the point. The right to free speech, like al rights is not absolute and must be practiced with responsibility and balanced against the rights of others. It is important to note that the ACLU is not advocating for the silencing of constitutionally protected speech, they are simply reserving the right to not take certain cases that conflict with other goals and principles - as is the right of all lawyer’s, law firms and advocacy groups

In the case of the Klansman, the ACLU successfully had his conviction overturned. His words represented a thin line between inciting violence and constitutionally protected hate speech. The next time though, he might have to get Trumps Justice Department to defend him.

So now the ACLU is going to decide who has the right to free speech!
It is clear now.

 

[Silhouette]

Leaked Internal Memo Reveals the ACLU Is Wavering on Free Speech

& another "impartial" icon buckles at the whip of the Rainbow Jackboots....

 

[pismoe]

I quit giving the ACLU any money after they represented the Klan in a Denver march. Not that I minded the free speech so much, but I didn't see why cops should have to protect the assholes who were there to incite a riot simply to incite a riot.

----------------------------- were they inciting a riot with their Free Speech Ben ??

 

[westwall]

Oppression is going to feel like oppression. I have used my own words and I've also provided you a source, my source did a much better job of describing the differences. In the meantime you haven't done shit to prove your point.

There are plenty of conservatives who have authoritarian tendencies. For example, in 2018 many still don't want gay marriage to be legal. They are OK with removing citizens from the voting roles and often times because they blame immigrants and minorities for illegally voting. They hold rallies demonstrating their racial superiority, many want to kick out people of color. Their leaders tell them how evil the free press is and how they are being screwed over by poor people. They want to ban people based on their religion and spy on them without cause in their places of worship. They want to tell them when and where they can build their mosques and they don't see any moral conflicts with separating families and caging their children with little to no concern for having a plan to reunite these families. They force children into court, as little as 3 or 4 years old to defend their status in this country.

Oh, there is such a thing as right wing authoritarians, it's just hard to see when you agree with them.

C'mon happy. You have to be better than this. I want you to go into just a little bit of detail here. You need to put a modicum of effort into this you central thesis.

Effort into what? I've put more effort into this than you have, you lazy.

I asked you for specifics, and you respond with generalizations. In other words, you either don't really know what you are talking about, or you know, you just don't want to admit it. I will make it easier for you. How are property Rights different between socialism and fascism?

Telling people that they can't marry someone of the same sex, or passing laws to keep certain people from voting is not specific enough for you? Or, as I mentioned, laws robbing women of reproductive choices are also authoritarian. You just can't accept that. That does not make it less true.

It's not, he's pretty much relying almost exclusively on Adolf Hitler quotes.

Wrong. I am also relying on the actual actions of the government versus its people. Please show me where socialists HAD the ability to vote for anything in the Soviet Union.

 

[westwall]

C'mon happy. You have to be better than this. I want you to go into just a little bit of detail here. You need to put a modicum of effort into this you central thesis.

Effort into what? I've put more effort into this than you have, you lazy.

I asked you for specifics, and you respond with generalizations. In other words, you either don't really know what you are talking about, or you know, you just don't want to admit it. I will make it easier for you. How are property Rights different between socialism and fascism?

Telling people that they can't marry someone of the same sex, or passing laws to keep certain people from voting is not specific enough for you? Or, as I mentioned, laws robing women of reproductive choices are also authoritarian. You just can't accept that. Does not make it less true.

Socialists and fascist BOTH do that. Thanks for the help. Which is more authoritarian, saying women can't have an abortion, or saying they MUST have an abortion as China does? BTW, that is the reason why I am pro choice. The second a government takes the power to deny, it has also taken the power to say you must. Once again, fascism and socialism are the same.

So, when the right forces women to have children you think they are being Communists?

Yes, I do. If it is government mandating any sort of behavior that is collectivist. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Are you stupid?

 

[westwall]

Civil, and Liberty.

Two words that burn the hands of conservative when they try to hold them in their hands.

Conservatives are much more comfortable with Uncivil Detention Camps.

Tell that to the Japanese interred by DEMOCRAT FDR.

So how many times have you called your dear leader to offer them reparations? None!? Why you sound utterly hypocritical!

You claimed it was the repubs who are doing it, yet when it is pointed out to you that it is your hero that actually DID IT. That is the best you can come up with? You are one pathetic little 'tard. You truly are.

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[IsaacNewton]

Civil, and Liberty.

Two words that burn the hands of conservative when they try to hold them in their hands.

Conservatives are much more comfortable with Uncivil Detention Camps.

Tell that to the Japanese interred by DEMOCRAT FDR.

So how many times have you called your dear leader to offer them reparations? None!? Why you sound utterly hypocritical!

You claimed it was the repubs who are doing it, yet when it is pointed out to you that it is your hero that actually DID IT. That is the best you can come up with? You are one pathetic little 'tard. You truly are.

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Aww, you're an angry little turd aren't you. But you put in effort to find a meme online so you get some credit for trying.

 

[westwall]

Tell that to the Japanese interred by DEMOCRAT FDR.

So how many times have you called your dear leader to offer them reparations? None!? Why you sound utterly hypocritical!

You claimed it was the repubs who are doing it, yet when it is pointed out to you that it is your hero that actually DID IT. That is the best you can come up with? You are one pathetic little 'tard. You truly are.

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Aww, you're an angry little turd aren't you. But you put in effort to find a meme online so you get some credit for trying.

Nope. I'm happy as a clam! I just played some minecraft with my daughter and i got to laugh at you. So it's all good!

 

[Flash]

Looks like those Liberals turds at the ACLU have finally admitted they are Leftest assholes.

They are against free speech when it is in conflict with their Leftest agenda of hate and destruction.

Typical for Left Wingers all over the world. Free speech or any or liberty is to be sacrificed for Socialism. or the vile demented Left view of "social justice".


Leaked Internal Memo Reveals the ACLU Is Wavering on Free Speech

Leaked Internal Memo Reveals the ACLU Is Wavering on Free Speech

"Our defense of speech may have a greater or lesser harmful impact on the equality and justice work to which we are also committed."

The American Civil Liberties Union will weigh its interest in protecting the First Amendment against its other commitments to social justice, racial equality, and women's rights, given the possibility that offensive speech might undermine ACLU goals.

"Our defense of speech may have a greater or lesser harmful impact on the equality and justice work to which we are also committed," wrote ACLU staffers in a confidential memo obtained by former board member Wendy Kaminer.


It's hard to see this as anything other than a cowardly retreat from a full-throated defense of the First Amendment. Moving forward, when deciding whether to take a free speech case, the organization will consider "factors such as the (present and historical) context of the proposed speech; the potential effect on marginalized communities; the extent to which the speech may assist in advancing the goals of white supremacists or others whose views are contrary to our values; and the structural and power inequalities in the community in which the speech will occur."

The founder of the ACLU's stated goal was the destruction of the USA. So this is not surprising.

OK, at one point. But if you're going to tell a story, tell the whole fucking story . Otherwise, it's propaganda...you know , like the communists use,

In St. Louis, Baldwin had been greatly influenced by the radical social movement of the anarchist Emma Goldman. He joined the Industrial Workers of the World.

In 1927, he had visited the Soviet Union and wrote a book, Liberty Under the Soviets. Later, however, as more and more information came out about Joseph Stalin's regime in the Soviet Union, Baldwin became more and more disillusioned with communism and called it "A NEW SLAVERY" (capitalized in the original).[5] He condemned "the inhuman communist police state tyranny, forced labor."[6] In the 1940s, Baldwin led the campaign to purge the ACLU of Communist Party members.[6Roger Nash Baldwin - Wikipedia

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It's actually quite easy. Take a look at their history and who they have gone to Court for. Every two bit progressive group gets lavished with money and time. If the group is a right wing group, they are left high and dry. Yes, I am sure you are going to trot out that nazis are right wing canard, but that is false. NAZI's and communists are both left wing. Remember, collective governments are left wing. No government is right wing. You can't have a left wing and a right wing collective government because that means that there is no such thing as an opposite of government. Do you see the logic problem there?

I am well aware of how you fucktards can get away with calling Nazis left wing and then have the temerity to equate them to what is commonly referred to the left in this country today. Yes, if you base the distinction solely on the size and role of government, you can argue that Nazis are left wing.

https://www.diffen.com/difference/Left_Wing_vs_Right_Wing

But that dumbs down the conversation by disregarding that the size and role of government is only one factor in the equation that determines the actual nature of the government or the ideology. Nazis and the current US administration both use government to reward a favored few, denigrate minorities, and wage war on others as well as their own people. And while the US administration preaches the right-wing rhetoric of small government, they are selective in what that actually looks like. They want small government when it comes to taxes, social safety net programs, protection for the environment and consumer protection, but are all to eager to impose government on women’s reproductive health, the choices available to people when it comes to who they can marry and freedom of the press. Yes, free speech. So this left-right dichotomy fails your assessment that the ACLU only defends the left, your argument fails pathetically and miserably. Do you see the logical problem there?

Everything in your little hate rant is bullshit.

The bottom line in the R v L division in America at this time is that the filthy greedy Left is a Free Shit Army that wants to make this country a socialist shithole. They don't give a damn how much Liberty they destroy in doing it. They want to raid the country for all the wealth created under Capitalism and then declare bankruptcy just like every country that tied that crap.

The Left is the scum of this country. Greedy butt hurt dumbshit assholes who think they are entitled to get free stuff just because they are alive.

 

[Political Junky]

 

[Flash]

C'mon happy. You have to be better than this. I want you to go into just a little bit of detail here. You need to put a modicum of effort into this you central thesis.

Effort into what? I've put more effort into this than you have, you lazy.

I asked you for specifics, and you respond with generalizations. In other words, you either don't really know what you are talking about, or you know, you just don't want to admit it. I will make it easier for you. How are property Rights different between socialism and fascism?

Telling people that they can't marry someone of the same sex, or passing laws to keep certain people from voting is not specific enough for you? Or, as I mentioned, laws robing women of reproductive choices are also authoritarian. You just can't accept that. Does not make it less true.

Socialists and fascist BOTH do that. Thanks for the help. Which is more authoritarian, saying women can't have an abortion, or saying they MUST have an abortion as China does? BTW, that is the reason why I am pro choice. The second a government takes the power to deny, it has also taken the power to say you must. Once again, fascism and socialism are the same.

So, when the right forces women to have children you think they are being Communists?

So when the Left allows women to kill their children because they don't want to be bothered with them do you think are they being Nazis?

Nobody forces a woman to have a child. However, the filthy government allows the woman to kill the poor little innocent thing and that is despicable, isn't it?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Effort into what? I've put more effort into this than you have, you lazy.

I asked you for specifics, and you respond with generalizations. In other words, you either don't really know what you are talking about, or you know, you just don't want to admit it. I will make it easier for you. How are property Rights different between socialism and fascism?

Telling people that they can't marry someone of the same sex, or passing laws to keep certain people from voting is not specific enough for you? Or, as I mentioned, laws robing women of reproductive choices are also authoritarian. You just can't accept that. Does not make it less true.

Socialists and fascist BOTH do that. Thanks for the help. Which is more authoritarian, saying women can't have an abortion, or saying they MUST have an abortion as China does? BTW, that is the reason why I am pro choice. The second a government takes the power to deny, it has also taken the power to say you must. Once again, fascism and socialism are the same.

Again , you're conflating an economic system that strives for equality with an oppressive political ideology that marginalizes selected minorities and elevate the elite. Which is more authoritarian, saying women can't have an abortion? They are equally oppressive and authoritarian.

China , like Russia, is a sham, bastardized version of socialism super imposed on an authoritarian, fascist political system You can keep bleating that fascism and socialism are the same until you turn blue but that does not make it true

PS: You seem to have avoided the question that I put to you. "Is Bernie Sanders a Fascist?? Yes or no and why.

No, I am not. They both use oppressive economic systems to get their way. One is merely more overt than the other. Yes, Bernie is ultimately a fascist. He believes in a collectivist government. ALL collectivist governments are socialist, which means they are also fascist.

What the fuck is oppressive about Sanders economic policies?? Health insurance? Supporting the middle class? What? Only the very wealthy would find his policies oppressive. A social democratic philosophy is not Fascism.

Once again, you don't get the difference between economic policy and political ideology. Perhaps socialism in it's pure form can, by some measure be seen as oppressive, but to say that all socialists, including Sanders are Fascists is just plain stupid.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Looks like those Liberals turds at the ACLU have finally admitted they are Leftest assholes.

They are against free speech when it is in conflict with their Leftest agenda of hate and destruction.

Typical for Left Wingers all over the world. Free speech or any or liberty is to be sacrificed for Socialism. or the vile demented Left view of "social justice".


Leaked Internal Memo Reveals the ACLU Is Wavering on Free Speech

Leaked Internal Memo Reveals the ACLU Is Wavering on Free Speech

"Our defense of speech may have a greater or lesser harmful impact on the equality and justice work to which we are also committed."

The American Civil Liberties Union will weigh its interest in protecting the First Amendment against its other commitments to social justice, racial equality, and women's rights, given the possibility that offensive speech might undermine ACLU goals.

"Our defense of speech may have a greater or lesser harmful impact on the equality and justice work to which we are also committed," wrote ACLU staffers in a confidential memo obtained by former board member Wendy Kaminer.


It's hard to see this as anything other than a cowardly retreat from a full-throated defense of the First Amendment. Moving forward, when deciding whether to take a free speech case, the organization will consider "factors such as the (present and historical) context of the proposed speech; the potential effect on marginalized communities; the extent to which the speech may assist in advancing the goals of white supremacists or others whose views are contrary to our values; and the structural and power inequalities in the community in which the speech will occur."

This is just an example of right wing anti ACLU hysteria. First of all, the leaker, Wendy Kaminer, a strong advocate for free speech ,was at odds with the ACLU over what she regarded as an ethical decline. It goes to motive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy_Kaminerut

But that is almost beside the point. The right to free speech, like al rights is not absolute and must be practiced with responsibility and balanced against the rights of others. It is important to note that the ACLU is not advocating for the silencing of constitutionally protected speech, they are simply reserving the right to not take certain cases that conflict with other goals and principles - as is the right of all lawyer’s, law firms and advocacy groups

In the case of the Klansman, the ACLU successfully had his conviction overturned. His words represented a thin line between inciting violence and constitutionally protected hate speech. The next time though, he might have to get Trumps Justice Department to defend him.

So now the ACLU is going to decide who has the right to free speech!
It is clear now.

What grade level do you read at.? If you had any reading comprehension ability, you would understand how ridiculous that is.

 

[bodecea]

Looks like those Liberals turds at the ACLU have finally admitted they are Leftest assholes.

They are against free speech when it is in conflict with their Leftest agenda of hate and destruction.

Typical for Left Wingers all over the world. Free speech or any or liberty is to be sacrificed for Socialism. or the vile demented Left view of "social justice".


Leaked Internal Memo Reveals the ACLU Is Wavering on Free Speech

Leaked Internal Memo Reveals the ACLU Is Wavering on Free Speech

"Our defense of speech may have a greater or lesser harmful impact on the equality and justice work to which we are also committed."

The American Civil Liberties Union will weigh its interest in protecting the First Amendment against its other commitments to social justice, racial equality, and women's rights, given the possibility that offensive speech might undermine ACLU goals.

"Our defense of speech may have a greater or lesser harmful impact on the equality and justice work to which we are also committed," wrote ACLU staffers in a confidential memo obtained by former board member Wendy Kaminer.


It's hard to see this as anything other than a cowardly retreat from a full-throated defense of the First Amendment. Moving forward, when deciding whether to take a free speech case, the organization will consider "factors such as the (present and historical) context of the proposed speech; the potential effect on marginalized communities; the extent to which the speech may assist in advancing the goals of white supremacists or others whose views are contrary to our values; and the structural and power inequalities in the community in which the speech will occur."

Suuuuuuuuure....

 

[Silhouette]

If it is government mandating any sort of behavior that is collectivist. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Are you stupid?

So you agree that this LGBT thing has gone too far and is encroaching on the states declaring an official religion. Because when we hear the ACLU is shelving free speech defense for "social issues", that's code for "we want to force people to promote, condone and participate in the Church of LGBT".

I mean, that's what all this is about, as a backlash to the recent USSC "baker vs Colorado" slap to the Church of LGBT.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

If it is government mandating any sort of behavior that is collectivist. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Are you stupid?

So you agree that this LGBT thing has gone too far and is encroaching on the states declaring an official religion. Because when we hear the ACLU is shelving free speech defense for "social issues", that's code for "we want to force people to promote, condone and participate in the Church of LGBT".

I mean, that's what all this is about, as a backlash to the recent USSC "baker vs Colorado" slap to the Church of LGBT.

 

[Desperado]

Looks like those Liberals turds at the ACLU have finally admitted they are Leftest assholes.

They are against free speech when it is in conflict with their Leftest agenda of hate and destruction.

Typical for Left Wingers all over the world. Free speech or any or liberty is to be sacrificed for Socialism. or the vile demented Left view of "social justice".


Leaked Internal Memo Reveals the ACLU Is Wavering on Free Speech

Leaked Internal Memo Reveals the ACLU Is Wavering on Free Speech

"Our defense of speech may have a greater or lesser harmful impact on the equality and justice work to which we are also committed."

The American Civil Liberties Union will weigh its interest in protecting the First Amendment against its other commitments to social justice, racial equality, and women's rights, given the possibility that offensive speech might undermine ACLU goals.

"Our defense of speech may have a greater or lesser harmful impact on the equality and justice work to which we are also committed," wrote ACLU staffers in a confidential memo obtained by former board member Wendy Kaminer.


It's hard to see this as anything other than a cowardly retreat from a full-throated defense of the First Amendment. Moving forward, when deciding whether to take a free speech case, the organization will consider "factors such as the (present and historical) context of the proposed speech; the potential effect on marginalized communities; the extent to which the speech may assist in advancing the goals of white supremacists or others whose views are contrary to our values; and the structural and power inequalities in the community in which the speech will occur."

This is just an example of right wing anti ACLU hysteria. First of all, the leaker, Wendy Kaminer, a strong advocate for free speech ,was at odds with the ACLU over what she regarded as an ethical decline. It goes to motive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy_Kaminerut

But that is almost beside the point. The right to free speech, like al rights is not absolute and must be practiced with responsibility and balanced against the rights of others. It is important to note that the ACLU is not advocating for the silencing of constitutionally protected speech, they are simply reserving the right to not take certain cases that conflict with other goals and principles - as is the right of all lawyer’s, law firms and advocacy groups

In the case of the Klansman, the ACLU successfully had his conviction overturned. His words represented a thin line between inciting violence and constitutionally protected hate speech. The next time though, he might have to get Trumps Justice Department to defend him.

So now the ACLU is going to decide who has the right to free speech!
It is clear now.

What grade level do you read at.? If you had any reading comprehension ability, you would understand how ridiculous that is.

"they are simply reserving the right to not take certain cases that conflict with other goals and principles - as is the right of all lawyer’s, law firms and advocacy groups"
So the ACLU is going to decide who is worthy of being represented by them in court. So it boils down to who the ACLU deems worthy... their words not mine

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

So the ACLU is going to decide who is worthy of being represented by them in court. So it boils down to who the ACLU deems worthy... their words not mine

So what?? Why should they not be able to make such judgement calls and set policy. Legal organizations do it all the time. People have a right to free speech. They have a right to legal representation, if their words gets them into trouble. They do not have a right to ACLU representation. Get real

 

[Silhouette]

"they are simply reserving the right to not take certain cases that conflict with other goals and principles - as is the right of all lawyer’s, law firms and advocacy groups"
So the ACLU is going to decide who is worthy of being represented by them in court. So it boils down to who the ACLU deems worthy... their words not mine

So the ACLU also is adopting the Church of LGBT as their official religion. Seems to be a thing these days. Free speech be damned...

 

[BookShaka]

To be fair, the right has demonstrated they’re against free speech when they don’t agree with the message. Just look at the NFL controversy... those players were within their rights to protest the way they did and many on the right sought to punish them for exercising their right to free speech and to protest bc they didn’t agree with the reason/method of the protests.