Accusing Israel of Genocide is an Antisemitic Trope

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Not the despicable bare faced lies from the Israeli apologists "babies set on fire" and "babies shot in the head" the same sort of hysterical fabrications that reactionary Zionists here love to post.

Just imagine the reaction of those morons if Russia had carried these atrocities out.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Must have been millions, right?

Right, just over 16 million.

So, post the number of votes he got. Coward.

Such impatience, here's the details you were having trouble finding (do you really not know how to use search engines?)

 

[Deadstick]

Oh look,mit posted that fake map of disappearing land that has been debunked. Sadly all you rerrorist lovers have is this old garbage. When are you going to wake up and realize that NOBODY is falling for this bullshit any longer?

Israel isn’t committing “genocide” you illiterate fool, you don’t even know what the definition of genocide is. Israel has been defending itself against subhuman genocidal IslamoNazi animals, and will continue to do so, brilliantly.

You really love to use the language of the Gestapo, subhuman animals, you need to burn that copy of Mein Kampf.

 

[Deadstick]

Oh, please…..the Muslims had pograms in Palestine against the Jews and Christians for more than 100 years before Israel was established, and most of support - are even delighted - that the Jews were massacred on Oct 7.

Pogroms in Palestine before the creation of the state of Israel (1830-1948) - Fondapol

On October 7, 2023, a pogrom took place in Israel for the first time since the creation of the Jewish state.

www.fondapol.org

The ones who have attacked Christians are the Zionist nutters in places like Bethlehem, some Palestinians are Christians, Christians are and always have been safe in Syria until your head hacking friends attacked the Country.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Then you should have no trouble refuting the entire comment.
Sorry, but facts are facts.

You cannot demonstrate your claim to be a fact.

 

[Grau]

So because they massacred a few hundred Jews on 10/7, actually it’s likely half or more killed on 10/7 were killed by Jews, you support the mass murder of tens of thousands of defenseless Palestinians, destruction of all of Gaza, and the displacement of over 2 million people without food or water, half of whom are children.

So very Zionist of you.

By the time Netanyahu's gaggle of genocidal shills finish inflating the Israeli / Jewish casualties (1) of 7 October 2023, we'll be back to another "6 Million Jews" again.

It's bad enough that at least some members of Netanyahu's government knew the attack was coming for over a year (2), ignored foreign intelligence warnings, dismissed warnings from guards monitoring the world's most sophisticated and heavily fortified border and even withdrew Israeli troops (3) from the area to be attacked.

Gaza has been a highly coveted thorn in Netanyahu's side for years and allowing 7 October's "surprise" attack to happen would give Netanyahu and similar Zionist expansionists an ideal excuse to destroy Gaza, exterminate / expel its residents and steal Gaza too as another step toward "Greater Israel"


You're right in that the trigger-happy IDFers killed a large number of both Israeli civilians and hostages but to at least some members of Israel's current leadership didn't care about the number of deaths because they can always blame Hamas for anything.

Remember the same apologists who raved about "headless babies", "babies in ovens", mass rape etc? (4)
Well, they all turned out to be lies so how can you trust anything claimed by advocates for blatant genocide?

Thanks & enjoy your weekend,




(1). "Israeli Propaganda Is Unconvincing and Failing"
Israeli Propaganda Is Unconvincing and Failing

EXCERPT "For three weeks now, Israel’s hasbara — propaganda — has been mired with clear fallacies and paradoxes. For example, the World Health Organisation (WHO) rebuffed Israel’s claim that it had ordered the evacuation of Al-Ahli Hospital before it was bombed. The WHO described the Israeli demand to evacuate hospitals as a “death sentence for the sick and injured.” At the same time, Human Rights Watch reported that Israel used white phosphorus bombs against Palestinian hospitals. In other words, Israel’s bombing of a hospital was routine, which underlines the self-styled Jewish State’s disregard for human life." CONTINUED



(2). "New York Times report says Israel knew about Hamas attack over a year in advance"

New York Times report says Israel knew about Hamas attack over a year in advance

The New York Times is reporting Israel knew about Hamas attack plans over a year before the Oct. 7 operation, but dismissed them as “aspirational."

apnews.com

EXCERPT "The attack was planned in plain sight. A month before the assault, Hamas posted a video to social media showing fighters using explosives to blast through a replica of the border gate, sweep in on pickup trucks and then move building by building through a full-scale reconstruction of an Israeli town, firing automatic weapons at human-silhouetted paper targets.

In the video, the militants destroyed mock-ups of the wall’s concrete towers and a communications antenna, just as they would do for real on Oct. 7.

Adding to public outrage over the military’s apparent negligence, the Israeli media has reported that military officials dismissed warnings from female border spotters who warned that they were witnessing Hamas’ preparations for the attack. According to the media reports, the young women reported seeing Hamas drones and attempts to knock out Israeli border cameras in the months leading up to the attack." CONTINUED


(3). "Israeli army to investigate moving of troops from Gaza border 2 days before Oct. 7 attack"

Israeli army to investigate moving of troops from Gaza border 2 days before Oct. 7 attack

Troops moved towards West Bank before Hamas launched surprise attack against Israel - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

EXCERPT "Earlier on Monday, the Israeli Public Broadcasting Corporation (KAN) said two commando brigade companies were moved from the Gaza border to the Huwara area of the northern West Bank two days before the Hamas attack.

The attack by Hamas on Israeli locations surrounding Gaza left hundreds of Israelis killed, including soldiers and civilians, and triggered a deadly onslaught by Israel against the Gaza Strip." CONTINUED


(4) "Fact Sheet: Israel’s History of Spreading Disinformation"

Fact Sheet: Israel’s History of Spreading Disinformation | IMEU

The Institute for Middle East Understanding (IMEU) is a non-profit organization that offers journalists facts, analysis, experts, and digital resources about Palestine and Palestinians.

imeu.org

EXCERPT
"Claims of rape - October 2023"

"Israeli officials circulated claims that Hamas fighters raped women during their attack on October 7, which were widely repeated in the US media and by US politicians, including President Biden during an address on national television. However, on October 10 an Israeli military spokesperson told a journalist from the Forward, Arno Rosenfeld, that Israel “does not yet have any evidence of rape having occurred during Saturday’s attack or its aftermath” and more than a week later Israel has yet to provide any proof. Journalist Rosenfeld also traced how the story spread based largely on claims made by people who didn’t actually say they witnessed the alleged rapes." CONTINUED

 

[Grau]

You cannot demonstrate your claim to be a fact.

Then think of another more brutal foreign funded genocide.

 

[Grau]

I have. Over and over. It's not like you haven't posted these same tired non-facts before. You probably just copy-pasted the whole post.

If you had really refuted any of the facts I've both written and supported you could give examples.
Since you have not, naturally, you can't.

When I wrote my comment #966, I clarified positions and sentiments in great detail but your only response has been a line and a half of snarky lies.

Why should I continue attempting to have a civil and constructive exchange with just another snarky and dishonest, full-time apologist for genocide?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Then think of another more brutal foreign funded genocide.

Because you cannot prove your claim to be true?

Onus is on you, and you know you cannot meet it.

 

[Grau]

Because you cannot prove your claim to be true?

Onus is on you, and you know you cannot meet it.

No, you're the one who claimed that what I wrote was false and you can't.

I don' fall for that "Onus is on you" Hasbara ploy.

 

[rosends]

The point you are clearly struggling with, is that these are labels applied to sets of attributes, not "definitions".

actually, they are both, but nice try.

There's no universally agreed standard definition for "democracy" or "liberal" or "socialism" these are labels and "Zionism" is no different.

There is no definition for "democracy"? Don't tell the dictionary writers. They seem to think otherwise. The fact that there are different dictionaries could be used to fuel the argument that "there are no universally agreed upon standard definitions for any words." Is that your position?

This is why we have "democracy in the United States" and "democracy in Australia" these are both democracies but they are applied to different attributes in different countries.

No, in practice they are manifest in differing presentations. The attributes are the same.

A state like Israel with it's colonial and terrorist roots,

Neither claim is a fact and if your foundation is error, your conclusions are erroneous.

its obsession with "Jewish", it's desire to expand territorially, it's refusal to apply laws equitably between Jew and non-Jew, it's proclivity to build walls and erect checkpoints and shoot kids and arrest people but never charge them, steal people's homes and so on - are all self made, Israel and the Israelis have made Israel what it is today and the state was created to embody Zionism, that was the goal.

So not only are you confusing policies and ideology, but you are taking liberties with both history and current events. But whatever...

So like it or not, the Israelis built a state by pursuing a Zionist agenda not a democratic agenda, not an egalitarian agenda, not a liberal agenda a Zionist agenda the state is what they wanted it to be!

Maybe that's just because you don't know what "zionist" means and is.

It is the pursuit of a Zionist ideal that has produced the Israel we see today, you want to "define" Zionism by removing all of the unpalatable truths and creating a sterile inoffensive "definition", you seek to decouple the offensive, unjust, bigoted aspects of Israeli life from the term "Zionism" that's what this is all about, deception.

So you have decided the end and therefore the means must be bad. But since your vision of the end is wrong, your sense of the means is likewise wrong.

Israel today is the PRODUCT OF ZIONISTS so therefore ZIONISM is the ideology that created and now characterizes the state of Israel as created by ZIONISTS pursuing a ZIONIST IDEAL.

Yes, exactly -- autonomy for the Jewish nation.

Israelis cannot self govern, I'm afraid this is a serious assessment and sooner or later more and more people will come to recognize this, it is an example of failure, ineptitude at best and bigot hateful racism at worst.

You completely misunderstand that article and jump to a conclusion that you like but which is illogical.

 

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FFS so lets have "early Nazism" and "political Nazism" and "early modern Nazism" hey? or shall we all just act like adults and just say "Nazism", this is all part of the turd polishing, the desire to control terminology so as to prevent the ideology from being spoken of in honest terms.

Do you like being ignorant and parading it? We DO have terms like Neo-Nazi which differentiate it from other Nazism. If you want to make an equivalence, then you should start by saying "both terms are umbrella labels which include a variety of presentations and ideologies". Then you can try to identify and be more specific. Or not. Just stay ignorant.

 

[rosends]

You know, you're not even a good liar!

"No one's ever said anything bad about the Palestinians...", I'm still laughing over that one!

what an intelligent and on point response...

 

[Billo_Really]

what an intelligent and on point response...

Oh look, the fucking liar speaks? And what does the lying Islamophobe say? He says "no one says anything bad about the Palestinians"

No shit! You can't make this up! What this Israeli piece of shit is telling us, is that the emperor has new clothes!

 

[rosends]

“Disappearing Palestine” - the Maps that Lie - AIJAC

Appearing regularly in pro-Palestinian books, articles, social media and websites here and overseas - and even in mainstream media - is a series of maps purporting to show the gradual Palestinian dispossession of their land at the hands of the Jews/Israelis. Their problem is that this series of...

aijac.org.au

 

[rosends]

Oh look, the fucking liar speaks? And what does the lying Islamophobe say? He says "no one says anything bad about the Palestinians"

No shit! You can't make this up! What this Israeli piece of shit is telling us, is that the emperor has new clothes!

You used that phrase in post 961. I didn't. What you are doing is called setting up a straw man. You assign something to me that I did not say and then you argue with that point. Try referring to what I actually said.

 

[Billo_Really]

“Disappearing Palestine” - the Maps that Lie - AIJAC

Appearing regularly in pro-Palestinian books, articles, social media and websites here and overseas - and even in mainstream media - is a series of maps purporting to show the gradual Palestinian dispossession of their land at the hands of the Jews/Israelis. Their problem is that this series of...

aijac.org.au

Those maps are not a lie.

One thing is certain, the violence didn't start until Zionists MOVED into the area illegally!

 

[rosends]

Those maps are not a lie.

One thing is certain, the violence didn't start until Zionists MOVED into the area illegally!

so you didn't read it. Got it.

 

[Billo_Really]

You used that phrase in post 961. I didn't. What you are doing is called setting up a straw man. You assign something to me that I did not say and then you argue with that point. Try referring to what I actually said.

I said you fuckers trash the Palestinians 24/7 and you disagreed! That is total horseshit!

 

[Billo_Really]

so you didn't read it. Got it.

Yes I did read it and I disagree with what it said. You fuckers moved into the area and drove out 750,000 Palestinians off their farms with Zionist terrorist groups like Irgun.

You took more land than you were given by the Mandate.