Accusing Israel of Genocide is an Antisemitic Trope

[Shusha]

No, it's your interpretation, what matters is the courts interpretation.

Nope. Straight up legal fact. No way around it.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Nope. Straight up legal fact. No way around it.

The UN and ICJ disagree with what you're saying though, so you are clearly wrong and that flawed reasoning likely extends to many other things you claim are true here.

Why did you ignore the refutation I posted:

That's disparaging right there, as disparaging as people arguing that the Jews are responsible for the millions exterminated in WW2, that they brought it on themselves, that if there hadn't been a Warsaw uprising hundreds of lives would never have been lost, that if the Jews hadn't manipulated the banking system etc etc.

I argue that that is disparaging to Jew in the same way your claim is disparaging to Palestinians in Gaza

You haven't been paying attention, then. The deaths of 20,000 civilians is horrific and terrible. I just place the blame where it correctly belongs -- with Hamas and Hamas supporters.

 

[Shusha]

The UN and ICJ disagree with what you're saying though, so you are clearly wrong and that flawed reasoning likely extends to many other things you claim are true here.

The ICJ has never been asked to opine on the legal status of the territory. To claim that it has is disingenuous.

 

[Shusha]

Why did you ignore the refutation I posted:



I argue that that is disparaging to Jew in the same way your claim is disparaging to Palestinians in Gaza

Mostly because it was a silly argument. It is not at all disparaging to say that Hamas and those who actively support Hamas activity are responsible for the easily anticipated outcome of their hideous attack on Israeli citizens. Unless you mean that it is disparaging of Hamas. Well, yeah.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Mostly because it was a silly argument. It is not at all disparaging to say that Hamas and those who actively support Hamas activity are responsible for the easily anticipated outcome of their hideous attack on Israeli citizens. Unless you mean that it is disparaging of Hamas. Well, yeah.

It is disparaging to argue that the deaths of 41,000 people and the destruction of schools and hospitals is wholly attributable to Hamas and supporters.

It is disparaging to argue that the deaths of six million Jews and the destruction of Jewish culture in Europe is wholly attributable to prominent Jews who betrayed Germany after WW1 and the Spartacist uprising that represented a threat of a Jew dominated communist dictatorship.

YOU are arguing the former
NAZIS argued the latter

Each is disparaging for the same reasons - they are lies.

 

[Shusha]

It is disparaging to argue that the deaths of 41,000 people and the destruction of schools and hospitals is wholly attributable to Hamas and supporters.

It is disparaging to argue that the deaths of six million Jews and the destruction of Jewish culture in Europe is wholly attributable to prominent Jews who betrayed Germany after WW1 and the Spartacist uprising that represented a threat of a Jew dominated communist dictatorship.

YOU are arguing the former
NAZIS argued the latter

Each is disparaging for the same reasons - they are lies.

Did I say "wholly attributable"? No, I did not. I said the responsibility lies with Hamas and those who worked to support Hamas. I'm not blaming the civilians for being killed, which you seem to be accusing me of. They are certainly not responsible for their own deaths.

I'm blaming Hamas. I'm blaming those who committed the atrocities in Israel. I'm blaming those who abducted Israeli citizens. I'm blaming those who held hostages in their homes, cooked them meals, or in any other way contributed to their captivity. I'm blaming those who permitted a tunnel to be built under their child's bedroom. I'm blaming those who fired rockets from mosques, and schools, and hospitals. In other words, I am placing the responsibility on the combatants.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Did I say "wholly attributable"? No, I did not. I said the responsibility lies with Hamas and those who worked to support Hamas. I'm not blaming the civilians for being killed, which you seem to be accusing me of. They are certainly not responsible for their own deaths.

I'm blaming Hamas. I'm blaming those who committed the atrocities in Israel. I'm blaming those who abducted Israeli citizens. I'm blaming those who held hostages in their homes, cooked them meals, or in any other way contributed to their captivity. I'm blaming those who permitted a tunnel to be built under their child's bedroom. I'm blaming those who fired rockets from mosques, and schools, and hospitals. In other words, I am placing the responsibility on the combatants.

That's odd because I blame Israel for Hamas even launching their attack, for Hamas even existing, for two million people being imprisoned in Gaza in the first place.

 

[Shusha]

That's odd because I blame Israel for Hamas even launching their attack, for Hamas even existing, for two million people being imprisoned in Gaza in the first place.

Sigh. Such weak, ridiculous arguments. Israel is in no way obligated to receive enemies they are actively at war with into their State.

States have boundaries. Borders. The citizens of one State (or autonomous, self-governed semi-states) do not have a RIGHT to enter the territory of another State without that State's permission. The fact that an American needs Canada's permission to enter Canada (Yes, even to travel from Alaska to Washington) does not make Alaska a prison.

Some borders are quite heavily protected and some are quite porous and open. The reasons for the differences are often due to the presence of or lack of security threats. Entry requirements often vary due to citizenship.

And no, before you say it, not having an international airport does not make a country a prison either.

IF the people of Gaza would like to be welcomed in Israel and have a less restricted and more porous border with Israel (or with Egypt), hey, just a suggestion, but committing an atrocity and slaughtering and abducting hundreds of citizens is not the solution. Violence leads away from the direction you want to go. It's not like Israel is saying, hey the more violence you commit, the more welcome you are in our country.

(Let's not forget that Israel had issued 20,000 permits to people of Gaza. They used those travel permits to provide intelligence that facilitated the atrocities.)

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Sigh. Such weak, ridiculous arguments. Israel is in no way obligated to receive enemies they are actively at war with into their State.

What do you mean "weak"? seeking justice after your home has been stolen is a weak justification for fighting back?

States have boundaries. Borders. The citizens of one State (or autonomous, self-governed semi-states) do not have a RIGHT to enter the territory of another State without that State's permission. The fact that an American needs Canada's permission to enter Canada (Yes, even to travel from Alaska to Washington) does not make Alaska a prison.

Israel enters Gaza and the West Bank as it sees fit, any time it wants, it attacked and killed people and destroyed homes in Gaza many times before Oct 7th, for years.

Some borders are quite heavily protected and some are quite porous and open. The reasons for the differences are often due to the presence of or lack of security threats. Entry requirements often vary due to citizenship.

Some in Gaza originated in the villages around Gaza that were ethnically cleansed, here listen to a Jew:

And no, before you say it, not having an international airport does not make a country a prison either.

IF the people of Gaza would like to be welcomed in Israel and have a less restricted and more porous border with Israel (or with Egypt), hey, just a suggestion, but committing an atrocity and slaughtering and abducting hundreds of citizens is not the solution. Violence leads away from the direction you want to go. It's not like Israel is saying, hey the more violence you commit, the more welcome you are in our country.

(Let's not forget that Israel had issued 20,000 permits to people of Gaza. They used those travel permits to provide intelligence that facilitated the atrocities.)

Israel has been pumping drugs into Gaza, were you aware of this? before Oct 7th Israel was seeking to create an addicted society in Gaza, do you know anything about that?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Palestinian police accuse Israel of allowing drugs to enter Gaza Strip​

A senior Palestinian police officer has accused the Israeli occupation authorities of intentionally facilitating the entry of drugs in the besieged Gaza Strip, Al-Resalah has reported.

According to Colonel Anwar Zo’rob on Wednesday, the drugs not only destroy addicts but also the social fabric of the Palestinians in the enclave.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Feb 2023

Hamas seizes 50,000 Captagon pills in Gaza, blaming Israel as source

"90 per cent of the drugs seized inside the Gaza Strip come from Israel through the Kerem Shalom crossing," Anwar Zo'rob, an official at Anti-Narcotics Police Department, said to The New Arab.

"Israel prevents the importation of advanced screening devices into Gaza under the pretext of dual [civilian and military] use, which forces us to rely on traditional tools, mainly manual inspection with the help of police dogs to examine and search goods coming from Kerem Shalom once they enter the enclave," he added.

"Israel insists on flooding our region with drugs to destroy our youths and contribute to spreading the crimes among the population," Zo'rob opined.

So get real, the Oct 7th attack was fueled - in part - by drug use amongst the Hamas fighters - facilitated by Israel.

The Israelis seek to create an addicted society in Gaza and got more than they bargained for on Oct 7th.

Shusha - why do you know nothing of this? where the hell do you get your "news" from???

 

[Lisa558]

Sigh. Such weak, ridiculous arguments. Israel is in no way obligated to receive enemies they are actively at war with into their State.

States have boundaries. Borders. The citizens of one State (or autonomous, self-governed semi-states) do not have a RIGHT to enter the territory of another State without that State's permission. The fact that an American needs Canada's permission to enter Canada (Yes, even to travel from Alaska to Washington) does not make Alaska a prison.

Some borders are quite heavily protected and some are quite porous and open. The reasons for the differences are often due to the presence of or lack of security threats. Entry requirements often vary due to citizenship.

And no, before you say it, not having an international airport does not make a country a prison either.

IF the people of Gaza would like to be welcomed in Israel and have a less restricted and more porous border with Israel (or with Egypt), hey, just a suggestion, but committing an atrocity and slaughtering and abducting hundreds of citizens is not the solution. Violence leads away from the direction you want to go. It's not like Israel is saying, hey the more violence you commit, the more welcome you are in our country.

(Let's not forget that Israel had issued 20,000 permits to people of Gaza. They used those travel permits to provide intelligence that facilitated the atrocities.)

Thanks for taking him on. He’s on another thread lying about “ethnic cleansing” and whatnot, and I’ve run out of patience. But I’ll be reading along.

 

[Shusha]

Shusha - why do you know nothing of this? where the hell do you get your "news" from???

Its the first time you've brought it up. What makes you think I know nothing about it?

 

[Shusha]

What do you mean "weak"? seeking justice after your home has been stolen is a weak justification for fighting back?

YOUR argument is weak.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Since when does that metric matter to a MAGA and insurrection supporter? you now saying that vote count does matter? your killin me, you don't even know how many votes Trump got in your own country !

He was democratically elected, so show me the number of votes he and his rival got.

Unless it's a lie?

 

[Grau]

FFS so lets have "early Nazism" and "political Nazism" and "early modern Nazism" hey? or shall we all just act like adults and just say "Nazism", this is all part of the turd polishing, the desire to control terminology so as to prevent the ideology from being spoken of in honest terms.

Re: .....the desire to control terminology so as to prevent the ideology from being spoken of in honest terms.

Very well said.

I've noticed the importance of obfuscation to individuals who still attempt to excuse Israel's aggression, provocations and criminality.

Thanks,

 

[Roudy]

Very well said.

I've noticed the importance of obfuscation to individuals who still attempt to excuse Israel's aggression, provocations and criminality.

Thanks,

Yeah …is that because the Palestinians and other garden variety of Islamic animals never commit any aggression or criminality in their behavior?!

And of course they wrap themselves among civilians, including their own women and children to make sure they die first, instead of giving them access to the tunnels they only access to themselves. Such “brave” people!

While on the other side, Israel sounds air raid sirens and instructs its population to go to the nearest underground bomb shelter.

Notice the difference between the two people and their cultures? Yup. It’s a clear example of good vs evil.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

He was democratically elected, so show me the number of votes he and his rival got.

Unless it's a lie?

Why did Trump walk away from the fight? If I REALLY BELIEVED I had been elected president and my opponent was part of a conspiracy to seize power, then it would be MY DUTY as president to protect the nation and refuse to give up power.

Trump knows he lost, that's the only explanation for him walking away and letting Biden usurp him, nothing else fits the facts.

No MAGA clown has been able to explain this, you're welcome to try, but I understand if you're confused, stone age Neanderthals' like you are easily flummoxed.

Trump abandons the Whitehouse and the American people

J6 Reichstag Fire, a treasonous sedition so overwhelming evident that the J6 Committee destroyed all the evidence Trump ran away, allowed the United States to be taken over by an unelected individual, he should have sealed himself into the white house, had the national guard protect him and...

www.usmessageboard.com

It's all pretend melodramatics, you f*****s want to pretend there was a "coup" so you can play "revolution" games and other pathetic pastimes, not a man amongst you, all pussies, just like your orange hero.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Yeah …is that because the Palestinians and other garden variety of Islamic animals never commit any aggression or criminality in their behavior?!

And of course they wrap themselves among civilians, including their own women and children to make sure they die first, instead of giving them access to the tunnels they only access to themselves. Such “brave” people!

While on the other side, Israel sounds air raid sirens and instructs its population to go to the nearest underground bomb shelter.

Notice the difference between the two people and their cultures? Yup. It’s a clear example of good vs evil.

The words "culture" and "Israel" should never be used in the same sentence.