Accusing Israel of Genocide is an Antisemitic Trope

[Hollie]

maybe the claim is that they served dogs at Kutsher's in New York

Kutsher's Hotel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Wasn’t Kutcher the guy who replaced Charlie Sheen on two and a half men? I never read anything about him eating dogs.

 

[rosends]

Wasn’t Kutcher the guy who replaced Charlie Sheen on two and a half men? I never read anything about him eating dogs.

good point. But Mila Kunis is Jewish so maybe she is bewitching him.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

First, you got his name wrong, second, you know very little about him and third, you clearly don't know what he actually said.

Here's what he actually said in that interview, emphasis mine:

Kushner
"Gaza's waterfront property could be very valuable. The thing that I would try to do if I were Israel right now, is I would just bulldoze something in the Negev. I would try to move people in there."

Interviewer
"Are people in Israel seriously talking about that possibility? About hosting Gazan refugees in what is considered "Israel proper"?

Kushner
"I don't know"

Interviewer
"But that would be something you would try to work on?"

Kushner
"I'm sitting in Miami Beach right now. I would say how do we deal with the terror threat that's there so that it cannot be a threat to Israel or to Egypt, right? I think that both sides are spending a fortune on military. I think neither side really wants to have a terrorist organization enclave, right between them. And Gaza's waterfront property, it could be very valuable to - er - if people would focus on kind of building up, you know, livelihoods, you think about all the money that's gone into this tunnel network and into all the munitions that would have gone into education or innovation, what could have been done. And so I think that it's a little bit of an unfortunate situation there. But I think from Israel's perspective, I would do my best to move the people out and then clean it up."

Which is a long winded way of saying lets ethnically cleanse Gaza, put the two million people into a new concentration camp nowhere near the coast, steal all the real estate and make lots of money.

The problem is that this is met with applause by Zionists, none of them here express outrage at the forced displacement of two million people with a view to commercial exploitation of said stolen property.

In short - as is typical - the Zionists openly discuss this (a war crime) in a matter of fact way, much as the Nazis did and that's because, like the Nazis, these large inconvenient populations are not fellow humans but vermin.

 

[Billo_Really]

Any criticism of Israel is anti semitic. That's the starting point in every conversation with the racist Lisa.

Antisemitism is about hating someone because they are Jewish. There is nothing Jewish about Israeli foreign policy.

Let me put it another way, Israeli foreign policy has nothing to do with Judaism. Therefore, criticizing Israeli foreign policy is not antisemitic.

 

[rosends]

Here's what he actually said in that interview, emphasis mine:











Which is a long winded way of saying lets ethnically cleanse Gaza, put the two million people into a new concentration camp nowhere near the coast, steal all the real estate and make lots of money.

The problem is that this is met with applause by Zionists, none of them here express outrage at the forced displacement of two million people with a view to commercial exploitation of said stolen property.

In short - as is typical - the Zionists openly discuss this (a war crime) in a matter of fact way, much as the Nazis did and that's because, like the Nazis, these large inconvenient populations are not fellow humans but vermin.

If you paid attention you would understand that he was talking about the land being valuable to the Arabs living there. Try to pay attention.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

If you paid attention you would understand that he was talking about the land being valuable to the Arabs living there. Try to pay attention.

Yes, we need a Zionist to always tell us what these people "really mean".

Please share the transcript/video though, that substantiates your claim and I note you have no reservations about the relocation of an entire population, that didn't even register on your mind.

 

[Billo_Really]

What is Lisa's problem?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Accusing Israel of genocide is like accusing Laken Reilly of racism.

 

[rosends]

Yes, we need a Zionist to always tell us what these people "really mean".

Please share the transcript/video though, that substantiates your claim and I note you have no reservations about the relocation of an entire population, that didn't even register on your mind.

You need a teacher who can help you develop basic comprehension skills. The discussion starts about bull dozing the Negev. There is no mention of who the "them" is there. No mention of displacing a population. Then there is an edit point (at 17 seconds). The next question is about hosting Gaza refugees. He says he doesn't know. Then he makes the point that all the money that is going to terrorist infrastructure (he mentions moey spent on tunnels) should be used to build up Gaza (he mentions education and the waterfront property) (1:04).

Then he talks about moving people so that Gaza can be cleaned. Unless you think he is talking about providing janitorial services, you might understand that he wants Gaza cleansed of terrorists so that the people who move out (he doesn't say anything about moving the whole population) will return to a clean Gaza in which they can build up properly. If you even listened to it and paid attention then you have no real comprehension skills.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

You need a teacher who can help you develop basic comprehension skills. The discussion starts about bull dozing the Negev. There is no mention of who the "them" is there. No mention of displacing a population. Then there is an edit point 17). The next question is about hosting Gaza refugees. He says he doesn't know. Then he makes the point that all the money that is going to terrirts infrastructure (he mentions moey spent on tunnels) should be used to build up Gaza (he mentions education and the waterfront property) (1:04).

A Zionist teacher no doubt!

Then he talks about moving people so that Gaza can be cleaned. Unless you think he is talking about providing janitorial services, you might understand that he wants Gaza cleansed of terrorists so that the people who move out (he doesn't say anything about moving the whole population) will return to a clean Gaza in which they can build up properly. If you even listened to it and paid attention then you have no real comprehension skills.

You could have just quoted his actual words but I understand the value obfuscation has to Zionist arguments.

Here's his words that pertain to this:

And so I think that it's a little bit of an unfortunate situation there. But I think from Israel's perspective, I would do my best to move the people out and then clean it up."

He said prior to that that if he were Israel he would " just bulldoze something in the Negev" so that's where "the people" are to be moved.

I see no mention of "cleansed of terrorists" or "will return to a clean Gaza" yet you seem confident that's what he was "really" speaking about.

The term "the people" is not "some of the people", as stated by him it's the collective term for the population of the Gaza strip, if you really believe he means some subset of the people then what subset?

You are struggling to convince people here that he said something he didn't, why would you do that?

All you've done is make up a contrived interpretation of his words and then insisted this is the correct interpretation, the only good thing about this is that it reveals your desperation as you hastily polish another turd.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

I'm sure the 17,000 Children the Zionist Pigfuckers have murdered didn't threaten to repeat Oct. 7th every day.

Their deaths are on the hands of the adult palestinians and arabs that put those children in harms way. When you use a child as a human shield, prepare for that child to be shot full of holes.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Their deaths are on the hands of the adult palestinians and arabs that put those children in harms way.

Not according to the ICJ and ICC, there are laws, Israel is BOUND by laws and it is breaking those laws.

When you use a child as a human shield, prepare for that child to be shot full of holes.

Given that Israel routinely kills civilians and children and bombs schools, shelters and hospitals, why do you think the presence of children affords any protection to a terrorist?

 

[Grau]

Everything in your post is deliberate speculation designed to demonize Israel by creating false narratives about the death toll. It is intended that people have in their minds that Israel "really" killed or is going to kill a 1,000,000 people. You want those numbers to stick in people's heads, instead of the true number which is around 37,000 identified bodies, of which at least half are combatants.

The prediction of future deaths is utter nonsense, as anyone with half a brain would know if they had actually read the original research on this subject.

First of all I'd like to apologize for not responding to all of your comments to me.

I try to respond to all civil and on-topic comments regardless of opinion but stay busy this time of year.

Apparently you are not reading what I've both written and supported. I try to be specific in my criticisms and nowhere did I say that "Israel" or " the Jews" either "killed" or was "going to kill one million people."

Your basic argument seems to be that it is the critics of the Gaza genocide who are responsible for Israel's Right Wing Netanyahu Government's dismal reputation and not the fact that Israel's right wing Netanyahu government is bombing fetid and overcrowded refugee camps filled with sick, hungry, traumatized and wounded civilians.

What I.R.W.N.G. (Israel's Right Wing Netanyahu Government; not "the Jews", not "Israel" etc) is doing is blatantly criminal so your contention is that condemning Collective Punishment (i.e. mass murder) is more contemptible than committing collective punishment (i.e. mass murder).

What's next?
Do you also believe that rape may be bad but writing something condemning rape is worse?

Yes, we've all heard the absurd argument that it's Hamas' fault that IDF is murdering anything that moves. (1), (2)
It's Hamas' fault that IDF and militant "Settlers" block shipments of food and medicine causing a higher civilian death rate.
It's Hamas' fault that IDF drops one ton bombs on refugee camps etc.

Re: The prediction of future deaths is utter nonsense, as anyone with half a brain would know if they had actually read the original research on this subject.

I've done more than read the original research on the subject.
I've worked, fought and spent plenty of time in war torn 3rd World countries where I frequently worked with front line Red Cross and other relief workers, medics and journalists.

And you....?

It is entirely possible to predict with some accuracy how many people will die under certain circumstances in places like Gaza.
For example, deaths from exposure will spiral in Gaza's fetid, poorly supplied refugee camps this Winter even if the shooting stops. Count on it.
All that's needed to get a practical casualty prediction is reliable information, basic math, common sense and some experience

I.R.W.N.G., however, wants to complete its Gaza genocide and censor it by murdering Journalists to prevent the world from seeing what "poor, little Israel" is really doing.

Yes, we know, ALL of the Red Cross, ALL of the UN, ALL the Relief Organizations and ALL journalists are Hamas members or controlled by Hamas.

There are psychiatric diagnoses for individuals who blame the machinations of mythologized entities for their misery but not one for governments who commit genocide and then blame the world for its condemnations.







(1). ‘Not a normal war’: doctors say children have been targeted by Israeli snipers in Gaza"

‘Not a normal war’: doctors say children have been targeted by Israeli snipers in Gaza

IDF says it ‘completely rejects’ charge that its soldiers deliberately fired on any of the thousands of civilians killed in Israeli offensive

www.theguardian.com

EXCERPT. "Eyewitness accounts and video recordings appear to back up claims that Israeli soldiers have fired on civilians, including children, outside of combat with Hamas or other armed groups. In some cases, witnesses describe coming under fire while waving white flags. Haaretz reported on Saturday that Israel routinely fires on civilians in areas its military has declared a “combat zone”."CONTINUED


(2). "Israel is not fighting against Hamas but against civilians, implementing a criminal policy of bombings"

https://www.btselem.org/gaza_strip/20231205_israel_is_not_fighting_against_hamas_but_against_civilians_implementing_a_criminal_policy_of_bombings

EXCERPT "More than two million people are currently crowded into the southern Gaza Strip with nowhere else to go. Continuing to implement this bombing policy will almost certainly result in the killing of thousands more civilians. In these circumstances, Israel must immediately stop implementing this policy, which is sowing more and more death and destruction, and worsening the humanitarian catastrophe in the Gaza Strip." CONTINUED

 

[Lisa558]

Not according to the ICJ and ICC, there are laws, Israel is BOUND by laws and it is breaking those laws.

Given that Israel routinely kills civilians and children and bombs schools, shelters and hospitals, why do you think the presence of children affords any protection to a terrorist?

Those are antisemitic, anti-Israel organizations, and the rest of your post is more antisemitic lies and propoganda.

 

[Hollie]

I'm sure the 17,000 Children the Zionist Pigfuckers have murdered didn't threaten to repeat Oct. 7th every day.

You islamic terrorist huggers are a sorry joke.

Read the Hamas Charter. It's the Jew killing manifesto that your heroes still live for.

Not according to the ICJ and ICC, there are laws, Israel is BOUND by laws and it is breaking those laws.

Given that Israel routinely kills civilians and children and bombs schools, shelters and hospitals, why do you think the presence of children affords any protection to a terrorist?

Your islamic terrorist heroes have a long history of using civilians and civilian infrastructure such as schools and hospitals as places to wage gee-had from.

It seems you ignorant twits don’t understand that Hamas has a written charter delineating a religious obligation to wipe Israel off the map.

 

[rosends]

A Zionist teacher no doubt!

No, an English teacher.

You could have just quoted his actual words but I understand the value obfuscation has to Zionist arguments.

You do know that words exist in a conversational context and just quoting them without the context changes their meaning, right? No, you don't because you never had an English teacher.

Here's his words that pertain to this:


He said prior to that that if he were Israel he would " just bulldoze something in the Negev" so that's where "the people" are to be moved.

which poeple? Does he say? No. Next.

I see no mention of "cleansed of terrorists" or "will return to a clean Gaza" yet you seem confident that's what he was "really" speaking about.

Well, he talks about being cleaned so I guess you DO think Israel will provide janitorial services. And when the discussion earlier was about Gaza refugees, I guess you would prefer that they not be housed. No mention of any other segment of any population. But good wishful thinkiing on your part.

The term "the people" is not "some of the people", as stated by him it's the collective term for the population of the Gaza strip, if you really believe he means some subset of the people then what subset?

Since he says "the people" maybe he is talking about the entire population of Israel, right? He is clearly being asked about "refugees from Gaza".

You are struggling to convince people here that he said something he didn't, why would you do that?

All you've done is make up a contrived interpretation of his words and then insisted this is the correct interpretation, the only good thing about this is that it reveals your desperation as you hastily polish another turd.

all you have done is demonstrated your lack of basic comprehension skills. Sad, really.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Those are antisemitic, anti-Israel organizations, and the rest of your post is more antisemitic lies and propoganda.

This is hysteria again. Other countries and individuals have been charged and convicted of EXACTLY the same crimes, therefore there's no basis to the claim of antisemitism, nobody is exempt from the laws be they African, Arab or Jew.

 

[Lisa558]

This is hysteria again. Other countries and individuals have been charged and convicted of EXACTLY the same crimes, therefore there's no basis to the claim of antisemitism, nobody is exempt from the laws be they African, Arab or Israeli.

Such a liar. The UN has issued more sanctions against Israel than against Syria, Iran, Iraq, and every other horrible Arab or Muslim state COMBINED.

 

[Hollie]

Not according to the ICJ and ICC, there are laws, Israel is BOUND by laws and it is breaking those laws.

Given that Israel routinely kills civilians and children and bombs schools, shelters and hospitals, why do you think the presence of children affords any protection to a terrorist

This is hysteria again. Other countries and individuals have been charged and convicted of EXACTLY the same crimes, therefore there's no basis to the claim of antisemitism, nobody is exempt from the laws be they African or Israeli.

Lecture us on the "the laws" that don't apply to Hamas for their Oc. 7 declaration of war.

 

[Lisa558]

Lecture us on the "the laws" that don't apply to Hamas for their Oc. 7 declaration of war.

Shhhhh…..he doesn’t like people to remember what the Muslim savages did to innocent Jews because it doesn’t fit his agenda.