Accusing Israel of Genocide is an Antisemitic Trope

[Toddsterpatriot]

Good question.
I wonder how could the Holocaust be classified as a "genocide" when there were no written orders from Hitler calling for the destruction of Europe's Jews (*) and about 150,000 Jews served in Hitler's military with 25 Jews rising to the rank of General.(1)

Additionally, there were even high ranking Jews in Hitler's National Socialist (Nazi) Party.(2)

Finally, even Jewish sources indicate that the world's Jewish population actually grew over the Holocaust years. (3)

Apologists for the Gaza genocide insist that the Gaza genocide is not really a genocide because the IDFers still haven't managed to kill all of Gaza's residents.
Using the same "logic", the Holocaust can't have been a genocide because there were more Jews in the world after the Holocaust.

Thanks and keep up the good work,


(*). “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

- Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190



(1). "Historian claims Hitler personally approved officers of Jewish descent to fight for Nazis"

"ADOLF HITLER personally allowed at least 77 army officers of Jewish descent, including 25 generals, to fight for the Nazi cause…"

Historian claims Hitler personally approved officers of Jewish descent to fight for Nazis

ADOLF HITLER personally allowed at least 77 army officers of Jewish descent, including 25 generals, to fight for the Nazi cause…

www.irishtimes.com

EXCERPT ""In many cases, Hitler decided personally what should be done with soldiers of Jewish descent - and he made different decisions from case to case."

The most senior general of Jewish origin was Field Marshall Erhard Milch, who rose to be general inspector of the Luftwaffe and was convicted of war crimes after 1945." CONTINUED



(2). “List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

EXCERPT “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ CONTINUED



(3). "Was there Really a Holocaust?"

WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST

EXCERPT "The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanac's figures were supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Next the Jewish-owned New York Times of February 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish population for that year amounted "to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000 in addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine." How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?"CONTINUED

Apologists for the Gaza genocide insist that the Gaza genocide is not really a genocide because the IDFers still haven't managed to kill all of Gaza's residents.

It's like the IDF isn't even trying to kill all the Arabs in Gaza.
I mean 40,000, according to the terrorists, in almost a year? Weak.
If I wanted to kill all the Arabs in Gaza, I could have got to 40,000 in the first day.
200,000 in the first week.

So why didn't the IDF hit 1,000,000 yet?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

The Dems are threatening to withhold aid, and then Israel is a sitting duck. Goodbye, Jew country! You would like that.

Israel could announce a pull out from Gaza today and then Hezbollah will stop and the Houthis will stop and hostages can be returned and calm could replace chaos. Israel can stop this peacefully today, it wants war, its wants death, it wants territory, it does not and never did, want peace.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Over 500 dead in the last few days.

Why so few?

 

[Billo_Really]

The Dems are threatening to withhold aid, and then Israel is a sitting duck. Goodbye, Jew country! You would like that.

Now I do disagree with that. I don't we should give Israel anything.

 

[Lisa558]

Israel could announce a pull out from Gaza today and then Hezbollah will stop and the Houthis will stop and hostages can be returned and calm could replace chaos. Israel can stop this peacefully today, it wants war, its wants death, it wants territory, it does not and never did, want peace.

No, the Islamic terrorists could return what’s left of the hostages ans surrender. But it doesn’t want peace….it wants Israel gone.

You antisemites have it all backwards, by intention.

 

[gipper]

The point is that genocide requires INTENT….and 99.5% still remaining alive proves there’s no intent. We both know if Israel intended a genocide, they would have all been dead by the middle of October 2023.

That FACT does not fit your antidemitic propaganda, though.

And yet the Israeli government you hold allegiance to, has made it abundantly clear they want the Palestinians gone one way or another. You can ignore the evidence, but that just exposes you as a fool.

 

[Lisa558]

Now I do disagree with that. I don't we should give Israel anything.

Then Israel would be wiped off the face of the Earth, and the Jew-hate here in America would rival Nazi Germany.

You’re not able to understand that.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I don't disagree with that. Israel is the big dog in the ME. There is no country in the Middle East that has the military capability of taking Israel out.

Do the Arabs enjoy that boot in the ass?
Or do they just like to whine about losing? Unfair! UNFAIR!!

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

No, the Islamic terrorists could return what’s left of the hostages ans surrender. But it doesn’t want peace….it wants Israel gone.

So you want war, OK, that's Zionism for you.

Well so long as there are Arabs in Palestine there will always be resistance, unless Israel kills every single one there will always be resistance so what good can Israel do by violence? ultimately it leads nowhere.

You antisemites have it all backwards, by intention.

Do you want to discuss this subject like and adult, because continual insults and epithets do not a good argument make.

 

[gipper]

Israel could announce a pull out from Gaza today and then Hezbollah will stop and the Houthis will stop and hostages can be returned and calm could replace chaos. Israel can stop this peacefully today, it wants war, its wants death, it wants territory, it does not and never did, want peace.

And there is the intent the Zionists here wish to ignore.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

And there is the intent the Zionists here wish to ignore.

Well said, yes, that does express intent you are spot on.

 

[Shusha]

My question would be, “what’s wrong with being a Zionist?” All that means is someone who supports Israel’s right to exist.

I would take it a step further. "Zionist" means someone who supports the right of the Jewish people to self-determination in their homeland. It is exactly the same as someone who supports the right of the Arab Palestinian people to self-determination in their homeland. See the double standard?

 

[Lisa558]

I would take it a step further. "Zionist" means someone who supports the right of the Jewish people to self-determination in their homeland. It is exactly the same as someone who supports the right of the Arab Palestinian people to self-determination in their homeland. See the double standard?

Of course I do. The double standards of the antisemites on this forum are all over the place.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I would take it a step further. "Zionist" means someone who supports the right of the Jewish people to self-determination in their homeland. It is exactly the same as someone who supports the right of the Arab Palestinian people to self-determination in their homeland. See the double standard?

I do not adopt a definition that is at variance with reality, I define Zionism as the ideology practiced within the state of Israel. It should match your definition but it does not. You are speaking of an ideal not an ideology.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Of course I do. The double standards of the antisemites on this forum are all over the place.

I do not understand the level of entitlement one must have in order to feel justified in hurling racist insults at everyone who disagrees with them.

 

[Shusha]

I do not adopt a definition that is at variance with reality, I define Zionism as the ideology practiced within the state of Israel. It should match your definition but it does not. You are speaking of an ideal not an ideology.

Word .

Make sense. Do you not agree that both the Jewish people and the Arab Palestinian people have an equal right to self-determination in their homeland?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Word .

Make sense. Do you not agree that both the Jewish people and the Arab Palestinian people have an equal right to self-determination in their homeland?

That depends on how one defines "rights" and "homeland" the answer depends on these factors. Israel today denies rights to Arabs on a scale it does not do for Jews.

This is why it is regularly described as an apartheid state by various organizations.

 

[Shusha]

Opposing genocide is antisemitic…LMFAO.

Hypothetically speaking if your nation of Israel murders 1 million Palestinians, do you still support it?

Please answer. Don’t run away.

I can not possibly conceive of a military necessity at that scale.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I can not possibly conceive of a military necessity at that scale.

Well they did ethnically cleanse 750,000 people once, so they are not afraid to hurt huge numbers of people, something they learned from the Nazis who served as a role model for some early Zionist groups - and before you ask, yes I do have the evidence for that claim, as you know I always back up my claims especially those that I know the Zionist apologists will try to deny.

 

[Grau]

My question would be, “what’s wrong with being a Zionist?” All that means is someone who supports Israel’s right to exist.

Seems to me we have quite a few posters who hate every Jew, unless he is one of the small number who wants Israel to be eliminated.

Most of your puerile insults and delusions of self importance are simply laughable except when you knowingly lie and slander those who know far more about the topic than you.

For example, among your many easily debunked lies is:

Re: ......we have quite a few posters who hate every Jew,

If we really: "...have quite a few posters who hate every Jew," then you should have no trouble naming at least 2 "Jew haters" and showing where they expressed their hatred for all Jews.

Re: ....he is one of the small number who wants Israel to be eliminated.

"...small number..."?

Just yesterday you told the same lie which I debunked with:

"One-third of American Jews agree Israel committed 'genocide' in Gaza: Poll"​

"Over 51% of American Jews support Biden's decision to withhold arms shipments to Israel, survey finds"​

One-third of American Jews agree Israel committed 'genocide' in Gaza: Poll

Over 51% of American Jews support Biden's decision to withhold arms shipments to Israel, survey finds - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

EXCERPT "Nearly one-third of American Jews agree with accusations that Israel committed “genocide” in the Gaza Strip, and 60% support the establishment of an independent Palestinian state, a new poll has found.

The survey, conducted by the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs, a private right-wing Israeli think tank, was carried out between May 9 and 11 and included 511 American Jews, according to a statement by the center." CONTINUED
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Since there are about 7.5 million Jews in America, that means there are over 2.5 Million American Jews whom you regard as a "...small number..." who "....want Israel to be eliminated."

I'll leave it to others to judge whether I/3 of all American Jews represents a "small number" but I dare you to show where even one of those Jewish individuals expressed a desire to see Israel eliminated.

So, get busy and support your slander.




“Jews Against Genocide statement and action”

Jews Against Genocide statement and action | IJAN

www.ijan.org

EXCERPT “We, Jews Against Genocide, came to Yad Vashem, Israel’s memorial of the genocide committed against Jews, to honor the Palestinian children who are dying in a genocide committed by Jews.

We brought dolls to symbolise the children of Gaza, and tried to bring a glimpse of the horror that Gazan’s face, to Israel’s doorstep. We hope to show Israel, and the world, the absurd reality of using the memory of one genocide to justify another.” CONTINUED



"The Majority of Americans Now Disapprove of Israel’s Genocide, Polling Finds"

The Majority of Americans Now Disapprove of Israel’s Genocide, Polling Finds

Approval for Israel’s attack on Gaza has plummeted by 14 percent since November.

truthout.org

EXCERPT "New polling finds that the majority of the American public now say that they disapprove of Israel’s genocidal siege of Gaza. Approval of the assault has plummeted over the course of a few months as Israel slaughtered at least 33,000 Palestinians and continues its destruction of Gaza with impunity.

According to a Gallup survey conducted last month, 55 percent of Americans say that they disapprove of Israel’s “military action” in Gaza — up from a minority of 45 percent in a November Gallup poll." CONTINUED




“A Textbook Case of Genocide”

“Israel has been explicit about what it’s carrying out in Gaza. Why isn’t the world listening?”

A Textbook Case of Genocide

Israel has been explicit about what it’s carrying out in Gaza. Why isn’t the world listening?

jewishcurrents.org

EXCERPTS “Israel’s campaign to displace Gazans—and potentially expel them altogether into Egypt—is yet another chapter in the Nakba, in which an estimated 750,000 Palestinians were driven from their homes during the 1948 war that led to the creation of the State of Israel. But the assault on Gaza can also be understood in other terms: as a textbook case of genocide unfolding in front of our eyes.

I say this as a scholar of genocide, who has spent many years writing about Israeli mass violence against Palestinians. I have written about settler colonialism and Jewish supremacy in Israel, the distortion of the Holocaust to boost the Israeli arms industry, the weaponization of antisemitism accusations to justify Israeli violence against Palestinians, and the racist regime of Israeli apartheid. “

“Israeli Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant declared it in no uncertain terms on October 9th: “We are imposing a complete siege on Gaza. No electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything is closed. We are fighting human animals, and we will act accordingly.”

Indeed, Israel’s genocidal assault on Gaza is quite explicit, open, and unashamed. Perpetrators of genocide usually do not express their intentions so clearly,

Israel’s goal is to destroy the Palestinians of Gaza. And those of us watching around the world are derelict in our responsibility to prevent them from doing so.” CONTINUED