According to science, how does a new species develop?

[harmonica]

Superman comics also sell well.

Not as well as the Bible which is listed as non-fiction.

..we still have controversy about the JFK assassination of 1963--with video!!
..and you believe something written how long ago?? thousands of years ago when they believed all kind of crap like the earth was flat/witches/etc

What does JFK's assassination have to do with God? You are a weirdo!

let me explain it then!!
if there is controversy about an event/writings/etc less than 60 years ago, you want people to believe something written thousands of years ago??
the MSM today puts out crap ......the bible cannot be believed in anyway

Which is more likely? You came from a fish that grew legs and feet and turned into an amphibian. And later turned into an ape that turned into an ape-human. Yet, ape-humans cannot breed just like mules. So, how could they even multiply? And why did they lie about Lucy (first ape-man), Piltdown Man (fooled an entire generation) and Nebraska man? Or the universe came from invisible particles that expanded from some metaphysical space.

Or God created earth, space, day/night (time), light, atmosphere, dry land and plants, sun, moon, stars and other planets, sea creatures and birds, land animals and man in 7 days? He rested on the Sabbath.

and we have the human physical problems
disease
impacted teeth
autism
joined twins
deaf/blind
etc etc
the impacted teeth is from the evolution of the human jaw

 

[bripat9643]

Superman comics also sell well.

Not as well as the Bible which is listed as non-fiction.

..we still have controversy about the JFK assassination of 1963--with video!!
..and you believe something written how long ago?? thousands of years ago when they believed all kind of crap like the earth was flat/witches/etc

What does JFK's assassination have to do with God? You are a weirdo!

let me explain it then!!
if there is controversy about an event/writings/etc less than 60 years ago, you want people to believe something written thousands of years ago??
the MSM today puts out crap ......the bible cannot be believed in anyway

Which is more likely? You came from a fish that grew legs and feet and turned into an amphibian. And later turned into an ape that turned into an ape-human. Yet, ape-humans cannot breed just like mules. So, how could they even multiply? And why did they lie about Lucy (first ape-man), Piltdown Man (fooled an entire generation) and Nebraska man? Or the universe came from invisible particles that expanded from some metaphysical space.

Or God created earth, space, day/night (time), light, atmosphere, dry land and plants, sun, moon, stars and other planets, sea creatures and birds, land animals and man in 7 days? He rested on the Sabbath.

Neither of your scenareos are plausible, and neither of them gives an accurate description of how evolution works.

 

[bripat9643]

Not as well as the Bible which is listed as non-fiction.

..we still have controversy about the JFK assassination of 1963--with video!!
..and you believe something written how long ago?? thousands of years ago when they believed all kind of crap like the earth was flat/witches/etc

What does JFK's assassination have to do with God? You are a weirdo!

let me explain it then!!
if there is controversy about an event/writings/etc less than 60 years ago, you want people to believe something written thousands of years ago??
the MSM today puts out crap ......the bible cannot be believed in anyway

Which is more likely? You came from a fish that grew legs and feet and turned into an amphibian. And later turned into an ape that turned into an ape-human. Yet, ape-humans cannot breed just like mules. So, how could they even multiply? And why did they lie about Lucy (first ape-man), Piltdown Man (fooled an entire generation) and Nebraska man? Or the universe came from invisible particles that expanded from some metaphysical space.

Or God created earth, space, day/night (time), light, atmosphere, dry land and plants, sun, moon, stars and other planets, sea creatures and birds, land animals and man in 7 days? He rested on the Sabbath.

and we have the human physical problems
disease
impacted teeth
autism
joined twins
deaf/blind
etc etc
the impacted teeth is from the evolution of the human jaw

Then there are diseases like Polio and small pox. Why did this perfect, loving god create these diseases? Why does he want millions of children to die horrible deaths?

 

[james bond]

Not as well as the Bible which is listed as non-fiction.

..we still have controversy about the JFK assassination of 1963--with video!!
..and you believe something written how long ago?? thousands of years ago when they believed all kind of crap like the earth was flat/witches/etc

What does JFK's assassination have to do with God? You are a weirdo!

let me explain it then!!
if there is controversy about an event/writings/etc less than 60 years ago, you want people to believe something written thousands of years ago??
the MSM today puts out crap ......the bible cannot be believed in anyway

Which is more likely? You came from a fish that grew legs and feet and turned into an amphibian. And later turned into an ape that turned into an ape-human. Yet, ape-humans cannot breed just like mules. So, how could they even multiply? And why did they lie about Lucy (first ape-man), Piltdown Man (fooled an entire generation) and Nebraska man? Or the universe came from invisible particles that expanded from some metaphysical space.

Or God created earth, space, day/night (time), light, atmosphere, dry land and plants, sun, moon, stars and other planets, sea creatures and birds, land animals and man in 7 days? He rested on the Sabbath.

Neither of your scenareos are plausible, and neither of them gives an accurate description of how evolution works.

Creation is plausible and more scientific. OTOH the BBT, based on evolutionary thinking, states that it started with invisible particles and singularity. Singularity is a situation of infinite density and temperature. It is impossible for something infinite to exist in the material world (or else one has to divide by zero). We can only have countless items such as stars and the sand on the beaches.

 

[harmonica]

..we still have controversy about the JFK assassination of 1963--with video!!
..and you believe something written how long ago?? thousands of years ago when they believed all kind of crap like the earth was flat/witches/etc

What does JFK's assassination have to do with God? You are a weirdo!

let me explain it then!!
if there is controversy about an event/writings/etc less than 60 years ago, you want people to believe something written thousands of years ago??
the MSM today puts out crap ......the bible cannot be believed in anyway

Which is more likely? You came from a fish that grew legs and feet and turned into an amphibian. And later turned into an ape that turned into an ape-human. Yet, ape-humans cannot breed just like mules. So, how could they even multiply? And why did they lie about Lucy (first ape-man), Piltdown Man (fooled an entire generation) and Nebraska man? Or the universe came from invisible particles that expanded from some metaphysical space.

Or God created earth, space, day/night (time), light, atmosphere, dry land and plants, sun, moon, stars and other planets, sea creatures and birds, land animals and man in 7 days? He rested on the Sabbath.

Neither of your scenareos are plausible, and neither of them gives an accurate description of how evolution works.

Creation is plausible and more scientific. OTOH the BBT, based on evolutionary thinking, states that it started with invisible particles and singularity. Singularity is a situation of infinite density and temperature. It is impossible for something infinite to exist in the material world (or else one has to divide by zero). We can only have countless items such as stars and the sand on the beaches.

wrong....a fully formed man ''appearing''=plausible---only in your mind

 

[james bond]

..we still have controversy about the JFK assassination of 1963--with video!!
..and you believe something written how long ago?? thousands of years ago when they believed all kind of crap like the earth was flat/witches/etc

What does JFK's assassination have to do with God? You are a weirdo!

let me explain it then!!
if there is controversy about an event/writings/etc less than 60 years ago, you want people to believe something written thousands of years ago??
the MSM today puts out crap ......the bible cannot be believed in anyway

Which is more likely? You came from a fish that grew legs and feet and turned into an amphibian. And later turned into an ape that turned into an ape-human. Yet, ape-humans cannot breed just like mules. So, how could they even multiply? And why did they lie about Lucy (first ape-man), Piltdown Man (fooled an entire generation) and Nebraska man? Or the universe came from invisible particles that expanded from some metaphysical space.

Or God created earth, space, day/night (time), light, atmosphere, dry land and plants, sun, moon, stars and other planets, sea creatures and birds, land animals and man in 7 days? He rested on the Sabbath.

and we have the human physical problems
disease
impacted teeth
autism
joined twins
deaf/blind
etc etc
the impacted teeth is from the evolution of the human jaw

Then there are diseases like Polio and small pox. Why did this perfect, loving god create these diseases? Why does he want millions of children to die horrible deaths?

The diseases came about due to Adam's sin or original sin. Before that he and Eve were perfect and faced no death. A&E would've lived forever if not for disobeying God. The wages of sin is death and the diseases, death and other problems such as evil happened after they disobeyed God.

 

[harmonica]

What does JFK's assassination have to do with God? You are a weirdo!

let me explain it then!!
if there is controversy about an event/writings/etc less than 60 years ago, you want people to believe something written thousands of years ago??
the MSM today puts out crap ......the bible cannot be believed in anyway

Which is more likely? You came from a fish that grew legs and feet and turned into an amphibian. And later turned into an ape that turned into an ape-human. Yet, ape-humans cannot breed just like mules. So, how could they even multiply? And why did they lie about Lucy (first ape-man), Piltdown Man (fooled an entire generation) and Nebraska man? Or the universe came from invisible particles that expanded from some metaphysical space.

Or God created earth, space, day/night (time), light, atmosphere, dry land and plants, sun, moon, stars and other planets, sea creatures and birds, land animals and man in 7 days? He rested on the Sabbath.

and we have the human physical problems
disease
impacted teeth
autism
joined twins
deaf/blind
etc etc
the impacted teeth is from the evolution of the human jaw

Then there are diseases like Polio and small pox. Why did this perfect, loving god create these diseases? Why does he want millions of children to die horrible deaths?

The diseases came about due to Adam's sin or original sin. Before that he and Eve were perfect and faced no death. A&E would've lived forever if not for disobeying God. The wages of sin is death and the diseases, death and other problems such as evil happened after they disobeyed God.

yes -we know about the catch all answers...the fall/sin/god's plan/etc
so everyone after that is punished?? that makes no sense at all
so what about impacted teeth? this goes with the jaw becoming shorter/etc = evolution
mutations = evolution

AND--why do the animals get punished also??!!!

 

[james bond]

What does JFK's assassination have to do with God? You are a weirdo!

let me explain it then!!
if there is controversy about an event/writings/etc less than 60 years ago, you want people to believe something written thousands of years ago??
the MSM today puts out crap ......the bible cannot be believed in anyway

Which is more likely? You came from a fish that grew legs and feet and turned into an amphibian. And later turned into an ape that turned into an ape-human. Yet, ape-humans cannot breed just like mules. So, how could they even multiply? And why did they lie about Lucy (first ape-man), Piltdown Man (fooled an entire generation) and Nebraska man? Or the universe came from invisible particles that expanded from some metaphysical space.

Or God created earth, space, day/night (time), light, atmosphere, dry land and plants, sun, moon, stars and other planets, sea creatures and birds, land animals and man in 7 days? He rested on the Sabbath.

Neither of your scenareos are plausible, and neither of them gives an accurate description of how evolution works.

Creation is plausible and more scientific. OTOH the BBT, based on evolutionary thinking, states that it started with invisible particles and singularity. Singularity is a situation of infinite density and temperature. It is impossible for something infinite to exist in the material world (or else one has to divide by zero). We can only have countless items such as stars and the sand on the beaches.

wrong....a fully formed man ''appearing''=plausible---only in your mind

It would not be plausible to human minds including myself. But not to God's mind and that is what is recorded in the Bible. He created A&E on the 6th day.

 

[james bond]

let me explain it then!!
if there is controversy about an event/writings/etc less than 60 years ago, you want people to believe something written thousands of years ago??
the MSM today puts out crap ......the bible cannot be believed in anyway

Which is more likely? You came from a fish that grew legs and feet and turned into an amphibian. And later turned into an ape that turned into an ape-human. Yet, ape-humans cannot breed just like mules. So, how could they even multiply? And why did they lie about Lucy (first ape-man), Piltdown Man (fooled an entire generation) and Nebraska man? Or the universe came from invisible particles that expanded from some metaphysical space.

Or God created earth, space, day/night (time), light, atmosphere, dry land and plants, sun, moon, stars and other planets, sea creatures and birds, land animals and man in 7 days? He rested on the Sabbath.

and we have the human physical problems
disease
impacted teeth
autism
joined twins
deaf/blind
etc etc
the impacted teeth is from the evolution of the human jaw

Then there are diseases like Polio and small pox. Why did this perfect, loving god create these diseases? Why does he want millions of children to die horrible deaths?

The diseases came about due to Adam's sin or original sin. Before that he and Eve were perfect and faced no death. A&E would've lived forever if not for disobeying God. The wages of sin is death and the diseases, death and other problems such as evil happened after they disobeyed God.

yes -we know about the catch all answers...the fall/sin/god's plan/etc
so everyone after that is punished?? that makes no sense at all
so what about impacted teeth? this goes with the jaw becoming shorter/etc = evolution
mutations = evolution

AND--why do the animals get punished also??!!!

It makes sense when because of the sin, death entered the world. Adam and Eve's ancestors which are all us inherited the sin. It is evidenced by us all dying including A&E.

 

[bripat9643]

..we still have controversy about the JFK assassination of 1963--with video!!
..and you believe something written how long ago?? thousands of years ago when they believed all kind of crap like the earth was flat/witches/etc

What does JFK's assassination have to do with God? You are a weirdo!

let me explain it then!!
if there is controversy about an event/writings/etc less than 60 years ago, you want people to believe something written thousands of years ago??
the MSM today puts out crap ......the bible cannot be believed in anyway

Which is more likely? You came from a fish that grew legs and feet and turned into an amphibian. And later turned into an ape that turned into an ape-human. Yet, ape-humans cannot breed just like mules. So, how could they even multiply? And why did they lie about Lucy (first ape-man), Piltdown Man (fooled an entire generation) and Nebraska man? Or the universe came from invisible particles that expanded from some metaphysical space.

Or God created earth, space, day/night (time), light, atmosphere, dry land and plants, sun, moon, stars and other planets, sea creatures and birds, land animals and man in 7 days? He rested on the Sabbath.

Neither of your scenareos are plausible, and neither of them gives an accurate description of how evolution works.

Creation is plausible and more scientific. OTOH the BBT, based on evolutionary thinking, states that it started with invisible particles and singularity. Singularity is a situation of infinite density and temperature. It is impossible for something infinite to exist in the material world (or else one has to divide by zero). We can only have countless items such as stars and the sand on the beaches.

There's nothing plausible about creation theory. There's nothing "scientific" about it. It's a myth conceived by a nomadic tribe in the Bronze age.

 

[bripat9643]

Which is more likely? You came from a fish that grew legs and feet and turned into an amphibian. And later turned into an ape that turned into an ape-human. Yet, ape-humans cannot breed just like mules. So, how could they even multiply? And why did they lie about Lucy (first ape-man), Piltdown Man (fooled an entire generation) and Nebraska man? Or the universe came from invisible particles that expanded from some metaphysical space.

Or God created earth, space, day/night (time), light, atmosphere, dry land and plants, sun, moon, stars and other planets, sea creatures and birds, land animals and man in 7 days? He rested on the Sabbath.

and we have the human physical problems
disease
impacted teeth
autism
joined twins
deaf/blind
etc etc
the impacted teeth is from the evolution of the human jaw

Then there are diseases like Polio and small pox. Why did this perfect, loving god create these diseases? Why does he want millions of children to die horrible deaths?

The diseases came about due to Adam's sin or original sin. Before that he and Eve were perfect and faced no death. A&E would've lived forever if not for disobeying God. The wages of sin is death and the diseases, death and other problems such as evil happened after they disobeyed God.

yes -we know about the catch all answers...the fall/sin/god's plan/etc
so everyone after that is punished?? that makes no sense at all
so what about impacted teeth? this goes with the jaw becoming shorter/etc = evolution
mutations = evolution

AND--why do the animals get punished also??!!!

It makes sense when because of the sin, death entered the world. Adam and Eve's ancestors which are all us inherited the sin. It is evidenced by us all dying including A&E.

God punishes small children with paralysis and death because of Adam and Eve?

 

[bripat9643]

let me explain it then!!
if there is controversy about an event/writings/etc less than 60 years ago, you want people to believe something written thousands of years ago??
the MSM today puts out crap ......the bible cannot be believed in anyway

Which is more likely? You came from a fish that grew legs and feet and turned into an amphibian. And later turned into an ape that turned into an ape-human. Yet, ape-humans cannot breed just like mules. So, how could they even multiply? And why did they lie about Lucy (first ape-man), Piltdown Man (fooled an entire generation) and Nebraska man? Or the universe came from invisible particles that expanded from some metaphysical space.

Or God created earth, space, day/night (time), light, atmosphere, dry land and plants, sun, moon, stars and other planets, sea creatures and birds, land animals and man in 7 days? He rested on the Sabbath.

Neither of your scenareos are plausible, and neither of them gives an accurate description of how evolution works.

Creation is plausible and more scientific. OTOH the BBT, based on evolutionary thinking, states that it started with invisible particles and singularity. Singularity is a situation of infinite density and temperature. It is impossible for something infinite to exist in the material world (or else one has to divide by zero). We can only have countless items such as stars and the sand on the beaches.

wrong....a fully formed man ''appearing''=plausible---only in your mind

It would not be plausible to human minds including myself. But not to God's mind and that is what is recorded in the Bible. He created A&E on the 6th day.

So God's mind doesn't operate on the principles of logic? You're basically saying that God is irrational.

 

[RWNJ]

Well?

I get the general idea that certain "mutations" have to occur with one organism to change their species, but what about mating?

There is absolutely no hard scientific evidence for evolution. It's not science. It's a fairy tale for grownups.

 

[Syriusly]

Haha, nice hedge....

"It is demonstrabmy false that theyvwere the first humans."

"I said perfect"

"What the fuck does that mean?"

"You just don't get it"

What is "demonstrabmy" and "theyvwere?" Internet atheists make up new stuff all the time.

That's nice. By the way, you are spreading demonstrably false lies.

You're making stuff up right now and don't know what you are talking about. There was an unimpeachable witness.

The other story is of a fish that came out of the water and started to walk.

There was no witness to something that we can prove did not happen.

Nobody thinks a fish came out of the water and started walking. You would get laughed out of a 6th grade science class for saying that.

Fish started walking is what evolutionists teach, so it is part of evolution science. .

Feel free to show where any evolutionist teaches this.

Show us or admit you are just lying.

 

[Syriusly]

Haha, nice hedge....

"It is demonstrabmy false that theyvwere the first humans."

"I said perfect"

"What the fuck does that mean?"

"You just don't get it"

What is "demonstrabmy" and "theyvwere?" Internet atheists make up new stuff all the time.

That's nice. By the way, you are spreading demonstrably false lies.

You're making stuff up right now and don't know what you are talking about. There was an unimpeachable witness.

The other story is of a fish that came out of the water and started to walk.

There was no witness to something that we can prove did not happen.

Nobody thinks a fish came out of the water and started walking. You would get laughed out of a 6th grade science class for saying that.

Creation and Genesis is based on the Bible. It is God's word and the truth. Even the dictionary associates truth with God. The Bible is backed up by science even though it isn't a science book. God created the universe, earth, all living things. The evidence is that life only begats life.

That is not 'science' that is your opinion- based upon your faith.

Life does 'begat' life- and over enough 'begats' evolution can occur.

 

[harmonica]

let me explain it then!!
if there is controversy about an event/writings/etc less than 60 years ago, you want people to believe something written thousands of years ago??
the MSM today puts out crap ......the bible cannot be believed in anyway

Which is more likely? You came from a fish that grew legs and feet and turned into an amphibian. And later turned into an ape that turned into an ape-human. Yet, ape-humans cannot breed just like mules. So, how could they even multiply? And why did they lie about Lucy (first ape-man), Piltdown Man (fooled an entire generation) and Nebraska man? Or the universe came from invisible particles that expanded from some metaphysical space.

Or God created earth, space, day/night (time), light, atmosphere, dry land and plants, sun, moon, stars and other planets, sea creatures and birds, land animals and man in 7 days? He rested on the Sabbath.

Neither of your scenareos are plausible, and neither of them gives an accurate description of how evolution works.

Creation is plausible and more scientific. OTOH the BBT, based on evolutionary thinking, states that it started with invisible particles and singularity. Singularity is a situation of infinite density and temperature. It is impossible for something infinite to exist in the material world (or else one has to divide by zero). We can only have countless items such as stars and the sand on the beaches.

wrong....a fully formed man ''appearing''=plausible---only in your mind

It would not be plausible to human minds including myself. But not to God's mind and that is what is recorded in the Bible. He created A&E on the 6th day.

as I stated before--the answer to all questions--''it's god's plan''/god's way''/etc
you can't expect us to take that for an answer

 

[Syriusly]

Harmonica, you need to understand something:

While you are bound by the rules of reason amd the burden of evidence, cultists like Bond007 do not burden themselves with such constraints. They can just say, "Because, magic!", and wash their hands of any logical conflict or contradictory evidence.

As such, you will never make a single inch of headway, as far as shifting the culstists' magical paradigms. They have the ultimate ."Get out of thinking" card, and you do not.

Creationists and I are using the rules of reason. When discussing origins, the facts are better explained by creation. One day, a person was walking along and found a new tree called an oak tree. Later the oak tree produced acorns. Or they found a hen and rooster and the hen later layed a fertilized egg. Creation science believes in a bush of life while evolutionists believe in a tree of life. The tree of life doesn't make much sense and is toppling.

LOL nothing is 'better explained by creation'- it is just simpler and easier for simpler people.

It's the internet atheist who are simpletons and are wrong. They got humans from fish and humans from apes and the universe from multiverses while the Bible continues to be the best selling book on the planet bar none.

Superman comics also sell well.

Not as well as the Bible which is listed as non-fiction.

The Bible is listed with other religious books- along with Greek and Roman myths, and Zoroastrianism.

It is non-fiction in the Dewey system- just as Phrenology and occultism

 

[Syriusly]

And that is one of my questions.

if a Mule is sterile, how are we led to believe that mutations can lead to another species that can reprodue?

I'm mainly interested in real science, which is observation.

Have any new species been observed to have come about by the claimed scientific explanations?

Instead of arguing nonsense, why don't you show us how YOU are "led to believe that mutations can lead to another species that can reprodue." How does a mule which can't reproduce and isn't a new species do that?

All of that macroevolution stuff is BS.

Since Mules have nothing to do with evolution we can't help you.

 

[Syriusly]

Well?

I get the general idea that certain "mutations" have to occur with one organism to change their species, but what about mating?

There is absolutely no hard scientific evidence for evolution. It's not science. It's a fairy tale for grownups.

There is plenty of hard scientific evidence for evolution. Those who believe in fairy tales just can't except the evidence.

The fact remains is that the theory of evolution best fits the evidence we have.

While God waving a magic hand and poofing everything suddenly into existence doesn't fit any of the evidence we have.

 

[Syriusly]

Superman comics also sell well.

Not as well as the Bible which is listed as non-fiction.

..we still have controversy about the JFK assassination of 1963--with video!!
..and you believe something written how long ago?? thousands of years ago when they believed all kind of crap like the earth was flat/witches/etc

What does JFK's assassination have to do with God? You are a weirdo!

let me explain it then!!
if there is controversy about an event/writings/etc less than 60 years ago, you want people to believe something written thousands of years ago??
the MSM today puts out crap ......the bible cannot be believed in anyway

Which is more likely? You came from a fish that grew legs and feet and turned into an amphibian. And later turned into an ape that turned into an ape-human. Yet, ape-humans cannot breed just like mules. So, how could they even multiply?

No fish ever grew legs. No fish turned into an ape. No ape turned into an ape- human.

If you believe that the theory evolution says any of that, then you are deliberately and intentionally ignorant.