Accidental deaths by firearms

[Dr Gregg]

We have a constitutional right to bear arms. Liberals, socialists and Marxist will ignore the Constitution in their attempt to remove them from the hands of law abiding citizens.

Liberalism is a mental disorder...of the first degree.

as is partisan hackery and generalizations

 

[Gunny]

We have a constitutional right to bear arms. Liberals, socialists and Marxist will ignore the Constitution in their attempt to remove them from the hands of law abiding citizens.

Liberalism is a mental disorder...of the first degree.

as is partisan hackery and generalizations

You would know if anyone.

I see this thread is chock full of the usual leftwingnut politically ignorant hacks.

 

[rightwinger]

Less then 1000 people of all ages die each year due to accidents with firearms.

There are approximately 200,000,000 firearms in private hands. Ignoring Police and military firearms.

We will round up to 1000 deaths and we will use the 200 Million Firearms number.

The percentage of accidental firearms deaths to Firearms in use is .0005 Percent. Or with out the percent .000005. That is I believe 5 deaths per 100000.

We have people on this board and in this Country that would ban private firearms or restrict their possession or storage in a home for this INSIGNIFICANT number of accidents. They use tricks to try and make their point. For one they claim all 1000 deaths are children, they include 18 and 19 year olds as children. They add suicide rates in the number, a bald face misrepresentation, as suicide does not depend on a firearm to commit. The other trick is to claim one child every 9 hours dies due to accidental gun use.

While it is true that to the family of a dead loved one the death is not insignificant, that does not change the fact that statistically speaking this rate is meaningless.

Who believes that 5 deaths per 100000 people is a rate worth denying our Second Amendment rights? Or restricting gun owners in how they store and maintain their weapons?

Actually a National program of teaching our youth how to handle and use firearms, as was done up until the 60's would probably bring this number even lower. I would say that statistically speaking our firearms owners are a pretty responsible bunch.

Per RetiredGySgt our accidental deaths from firearms are INSIGNIFICANT

Accidental Deaths by Firearms per 100,000

USA 0.59
Canada 0.22 less than half
France 0.11 One fifth of US deaths
Germany 0.04 one fifteenth of US deaths
England 0.03 one twentieth of US deaths

No problem....just the price we are willing to pay for a 2nd Amendment

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[AllieBaba]

Let's become more like France! By all means!

Why don't you look up the number of Jews beaten and killed, btw. And check out this...

CBC News In Depth: France riots
BTW, the "youths" referred to are actually Muslim youths, though you won't find any reference to that.

And this:

BBC NEWS | Europe | French riots spread beyond Paris

And Canada, o Canada:

"A "new anti-Semitism" that emanates from an alliance of Western leftists and Islamic extremists is more dangerous than the "old European" form of Jew-hatred, Canada's minister of citizenship, immigration and multiculturalism said as he wound up a four-day trip to Israel Sunday. "
Canada minister blasts 'dangerous' leftist-Islamist anti-Semitism - Haaretz - Israel News

"Anti-Semitic incidents in Canada rose to record levels, according to B'nai Brith Canada's annual audit.

The yearly survey released Wednesday showed an 11.4 percent increase in incidents in 2009 over the previous year to reach the highest number ever reported in the audit's 28-year history.

"There were 1,264 anti-Jewish incidents last year, which encompassed acts of harassment, vandalism and violence. That compares to 1,135 incidents in 2008, and represents a five-fold increase over the last decade, B'nai Brith's League for Human Rights said."

Anti-Semitic incidents in Canada reach record high | JTA - Jewish & Israel News

We really need to be more like those countries we have bested in every possible way.

 

[Charles Stucker]

Less then 1000 people of all ages die each year due to accidents with firearms.

There are approximately 200,000,000 firearms in private hands. Ignoring Police and military firearms.

We will round up to 1000 deaths and we will use the 200 Million Firearms number.

The percentage of accidental firearms deaths to Firearms in use is .0005 Percent. Or with out the percent .000005. That is I believe 5 deaths per 100000.

We have people on this board and in this Country that would ban private firearms or restrict their possession or storage in a home for this INSIGNIFICANT number of accidents. They use tricks to try and make their point. For one they claim all 1000 deaths are children, they include 18 and 19 year olds as children. They add suicide rates in the number, a bald face misrepresentation, as suicide does not depend on a firearm to commit. The other trick is to claim one child every 9 hours dies due to accidental gun use.

While it is true that to the family of a dead loved one the death is not insignificant, that does not change the fact that statistically speaking this rate is meaningless.

Who believes that 5 deaths per 100000 people is a rate worth denying our Second Amendment rights? Or restricting gun owners in how they store and maintain their weapons?

Actually a National program of teaching our youth how to handle and use firearms, as was done up until the 60's would probably bring this number even lower. I would say that statistically speaking our firearms owners are a pretty responsible bunch.

Per RetiredGySgt our accidental deaths from firearms are INSIGNIFICANT

Accidental Deaths by Firearms per 100,000

USA 0.59
Canada 0.22 less than half
France 0.11 One fifth of US deaths
Germany 0.04 one fifteenth of US deaths
England 0.03 one twentieth of US deaths

No problem....just the price we are willing to pay for a 2nd Amendment

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Let's see we have ~40000 auto fatalities a year; presumably most are accidental, making death in an auto accident ~40 times more likely than by a gun. Automobiles are listed nowhere in the constitution, so they cannot claim the same degree of protection that guns enjoy. Thus if one wants to ban guns for being unsafe they should also ban automobiles for being far less safe.

 

[rightwinger]

Less then 1000 people of all ages die each year due to accidents with firearms.

There are approximately 200,000,000 firearms in private hands. Ignoring Police and military firearms.

We will round up to 1000 deaths and we will use the 200 Million Firearms number.

The percentage of accidental firearms deaths to Firearms in use is .0005 Percent. Or with out the percent .000005. That is I believe 5 deaths per 100000.

We have people on this board and in this Country that would ban private firearms or restrict their possession or storage in a home for this INSIGNIFICANT number of accidents. They use tricks to try and make their point. For one they claim all 1000 deaths are children, they include 18 and 19 year olds as children. They add suicide rates in the number, a bald face misrepresentation, as suicide does not depend on a firearm to commit. The other trick is to claim one child every 9 hours dies due to accidental gun use.

While it is true that to the family of a dead loved one the death is not insignificant, that does not change the fact that statistically speaking this rate is meaningless.

Who believes that 5 deaths per 100000 people is a rate worth denying our Second Amendment rights? Or restricting gun owners in how they store and maintain their weapons?

Actually a National program of teaching our youth how to handle and use firearms, as was done up until the 60's would probably bring this number even lower. I would say that statistically speaking our firearms owners are a pretty responsible bunch.

Per RetiredGySgt our accidental deaths from firearms are INSIGNIFICANT

Accidental Deaths by Firearms per 100,000

USA 0.59
Canada 0.22 less than half
France 0.11 One fifth of US deaths
Germany 0.04 one fifteenth of US deaths
England 0.03 one twentieth of US deaths

No problem....just the price we are willing to pay for a 2nd Amendment

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Let's see we have ~40000 auto fatalities a year; presumably most are accidental, making death in an auto accident ~40 times more likely than by a gun. Automobiles are listed nowhere in the constitution, so they cannot claim the same degree of protection that guns enjoy. Thus if one wants to ban guns for being unsafe they should also ban automobiles for being far less safe.

Who ever said anything about banning guns? I support the personal ownership of firearms for protection.

I am merely pointing out that the US pays a price for that privledge

 

[RetiredGySgt]

as such it should include, as it did when Washington was president, military grade weapons

The Hutaree would be thrilled with your Constitutional interpretations

So would the Supreme Court, you may want to read the 39 ruling where the Court held that a weapon must be of use or in use by the Military to be protected by the 2nd Amendment.

 

[Ringel05]

Yes, I agree

Some may think it is crazy to have double the homicide rate of other industrialized non-gun toting nations. But we decided early in our existence that we were willing to live with increased gun deaths if we can feel safer

Look up. See the pretty contrails.
You really need to stop getting your disinformation from the Brady Campaign.

Facts are the US has double or in many cases ten times the homicides that nations with strict firearms controls have. I'm not advocating we change are laws, only ackowledging there is a price we pay

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wikipedia?! You're kidding me right?? That's your source...... I'm not looking for them right now but there are much better, much more reliable sources out there that don't cherry pick stats. Do a comparison on a per capita basis (which is a much more accurate comparison) and you'll find we are not number one in that arena.

 

[keee keee]

More children die each year because of swimming pools. I bet more kids die because of bicycles but I never see stories on this in the state run media. should out law these killers also!!!!

 

[rightwinger]

Look up. See the pretty contrails.
You really need to stop getting your disinformation from the Brady Campaign.

Facts are the US has double or in many cases ten times the homicides that nations with strict firearms controls have. I'm not advocating we change are laws, only ackowledging there is a price we pay

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wikipedia?! You're kidding me right?? That's your source...... I'm not looking for them right now but there are much better, much more reliable sources out there that don't cherry pick stats. Do a comparison on a per capita basis (which is a much more accurate comparison) and you'll find we are not number one in that arena.

You are welcome to post an alternate source. But you won't because the results would be the same. The US has as much as ten times the number of gun related fatalities as those nations without a second amendment.

Deaths per 100,000 is a percapita measurement. It is hard to measure deaths per person

Not a political statement...just a fact

 

[rightwinger]

More children die each year because of swimming pools. I bet more kids die because of bicycles but I never see stories on this in the state run media. should out law these killers also!!!!

It is still not relevant in comparing gun related homicides between nations.

If you want to start a thread on bicycle related deaths...go ahead

 

[Ringel05]

Facts are the US has double or in many cases ten times the homicides that nations with strict firearms controls have. I'm not advocating we change are laws, only ackowledging there is a price we pay

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wikipedia?! You're kidding me right?? That's your source...... I'm not looking for them right now but there are much better, much more reliable sources out there that don't cherry pick stats. Do a comparison on a per capita basis (which is a much more accurate comparison) and you'll find we are not number one in that arena.

You are welcome to post an alternate source. But you won't because the results would be the same. The US has as much as ten times the number of gun related fatalities as those nations without a second amendment.

Deaths per 100,000 is a percapita measurement. It is hard to measure deaths per person

Not a political statement...just a fact

You're right, my mistake. I was thinking of total number of murders/suicides per capita (by all means).

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Less then 1000 people of all ages die each year due to accidents with firearms.

There are approximately 200,000,000 firearms in private hands. Ignoring Police and military firearms.

We will round up to 1000 deaths and we will use the 200 Million Firearms number.

The percentage of accidental firearms deaths to Firearms in use is .0005 Percent. Or with out the percent .000005. That is I believe 5 deaths per 100000.

We have people on this board and in this Country that would ban private firearms or restrict their possession or storage in a home for this INSIGNIFICANT number of accidents. They use tricks to try and make their point. For one they claim all 1000 deaths are children, they include 18 and 19 year olds as children. They add suicide rates in the number, a bald face misrepresentation, as suicide does not depend on a firearm to commit. The other trick is to claim one child every 9 hours dies due to accidental gun use.

While it is true that to the family of a dead loved one the death is not insignificant, that does not change the fact that statistically speaking this rate is meaningless.

Who believes that 5 deaths per 100000 people is a rate worth denying our Second Amendment rights? Or restricting gun owners in how they store and maintain their weapons?

Actually a National program of teaching our youth how to handle and use firearms, as was done up until the 60's would probably bring this number even lower. I would say that statistically speaking our firearms owners are a pretty responsible bunch.

Per RetiredGySgt our accidental deaths from firearms are INSIGNIFICANT

Accidental Deaths by Firearms per 100,000

USA 0.59
Canada 0.22 less than half
France 0.11 One fifth of US deaths
Germany 0.04 one fifteenth of US deaths
England 0.03 one twentieth of US deaths

No problem....just the price we are willing to pay for a 2nd Amendment

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Does the population play a factor in those numbers? I'm sure it does. When you have more people you have more accidents.

USA ~ 300+ million
Canada ~ 34+million
France ~ 65+ million
Germany ~ 81+ Million
England (UK) ~ 62+ million

 

[rightwinger]

Less then 1000 people of all ages die each year due to accidents with firearms.

There are approximately 200,000,000 firearms in private hands. Ignoring Police and military firearms.

We will round up to 1000 deaths and we will use the 200 Million Firearms number.

The percentage of accidental firearms deaths to Firearms in use is .0005 Percent. Or with out the percent .000005. That is I believe 5 deaths per 100000.

We have people on this board and in this Country that would ban private firearms or restrict their possession or storage in a home for this INSIGNIFICANT number of accidents. They use tricks to try and make their point. For one they claim all 1000 deaths are children, they include 18 and 19 year olds as children. They add suicide rates in the number, a bald face misrepresentation, as suicide does not depend on a firearm to commit. The other trick is to claim one child every 9 hours dies due to accidental gun use.

While it is true that to the family of a dead loved one the death is not insignificant, that does not change the fact that statistically speaking this rate is meaningless.

Who believes that 5 deaths per 100000 people is a rate worth denying our Second Amendment rights? Or restricting gun owners in how they store and maintain their weapons?

Actually a National program of teaching our youth how to handle and use firearms, as was done up until the 60's would probably bring this number even lower. I would say that statistically speaking our firearms owners are a pretty responsible bunch.

Per RetiredGySgt our accidental deaths from firearms are INSIGNIFICANT

Accidental Deaths by Firearms per 100,000

USA 0.59
Canada 0.22 less than half
France 0.11 One fifth of US deaths
Germany 0.04 one fifteenth of US deaths
England 0.03 one twentieth of US deaths

No problem....just the price we are willing to pay for a 2nd Amendment

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Does the population play a factor in those numbers? I'm sure it does. When you have more people you have more accidents.

USA ~ 300+ million
Canada ~ 34+million
France ~ 65+ million
Germany ~ 81+ Million
England (UK) ~ 62+ million

Does the concept of "Deaths per 100,000 population" elude you?

 

[asaratis]

That is a good point, I was thinking for of a waiting period to make sure their record came back clean. But you made a good point, somewhat changes my mind.

With the computer power available today, a background check shouldn't take more than a few minutes...say while I pick out a nice holster and a few boxes of superVELs.

I didn't say so.

Ted Nugent thinks that the right to bear arms is your carry permit. I agree.

...nor about owning marijuana or explosives. We write laws against owning things as we so choose.

I agree with you there. Membership is voluntary, period. Thankfully their motion was struck down, that's just wrong.

Membership in the health care insurance union will be mandatory...penalty for not joining the government union (run by union goons...with guns, no less...as always). What say thee? Shall we strike that down also?

What does that have to do with this discussion?

a)
Waiting periods entered the discussion before I did.

b)
I corrected Luissa in her thinking I meant all liberals.

c)
A list of things you can and cannot purchase seemed to be developing.

Why do you think these things do not apply to this discussion?