Abraham Lincoln on trial

[JakeStarkey]

No, he was not.

He was murdered by a crazy man.

Abraham Lincoln on trial

He was tried, convicted, and executed long ago. And rightly so.

 

[konradv]

"Classical liberalism" is the term used to designate the ideology advocating private property, an unhampered market economy, the rule of law, constitutional guarantees of freedom of religion and of the press, and international peace based on free trade. Up until around 1900

What happened around 1900? Couldn't be that many realized that a totally unhampered market economy wasn't all it was cracked up to be, could it? Who would want to go back to the days when you couldn't trust the food you bought and you were forced to work long hours for low pay?

Politicians decided that in order to acquire power, fame and profit they had to control the economy and pander to powerful factions such as the Parasites.

The robber barons were the parasites.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Talk about a jaded and depraved view, Conty. Wow! You want the era of the robber barons back? Tell us the real reason why.

 

[Contumacious]

What happened around 1900? Couldn't be that many realized that a totally unhampered market economy wasn't all it was cracked up to be, could it? Who would want to go back to the days when you couldn't trust the food you bought and you were forced to work long hours for low pay?

Politicians decided that in order to acquire power, fame and profit they had to control the economy and pander to powerful factions such as the Parasites.

The robber barons were the parasites.

Some entrepreneurs were corrupt. And they were able to profit thanks to fascists like :

In some cases, of course, the entrepreneurs commonly labeled "robber barons" did indeed profit by exploiting American customers, but these were not market entrepreneurs. For example, Leland Stanford, a former governor and US senator from California, used his political connections to have the state pass laws prohibiting competition for his Central Pacific railroad,[1] and he and his business partners profited from this monopoly scheme. Unfortunately, the resentment that this naturally generated among the public was unfairly directed at other entrepreneurs who succeeded in the railroad industry without political interference that tilted the playing field in their direction. Thanks to historians who fail to (or refuse to) make this crucial distinction, many Americans have an inaccurate view of American capitalism."

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[JakeStarkey]

Leland Stanford and his partners got away with what all capitalists wanted: a monopolistic control of an industry so that they could ensure their profits.

Unregulated capitalism leads to the degradation of the working man and his condition.

That is what you want.

 

[bripat9643]

I think the governments of the seceding states were considered to be in unlawful rebellion against the United States?

In other words, they were still part of the union, so the 13th and 14th Amendments are illegitimate.

Furthermore, where does the Constitution refer to secession as "unlawful rebellion?"

You can't win this argument because the truth isn't on your side.

 

[bripat9643]

Well, you people just took a good whipping at the polls

Yeah, I'll bet the toadies who voted for Hitler gloated about the Reichstag fire and the enabling acts.

 

[JakeStarkey]

In other words, you deliberately fabricate: the states could have attended if they wanted but did not.

I think the governments of the seceding states were considered to be in unlawful rebellion against the United States?

In other words, they were still part of the union, so the 13th and 14th Amendments are illegitimate.

Furthermore, where does the Constitution refer to secession as "unlawful rebellion?"

You can't win this argument because the truth isn't on your side.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Another logical fallacy by you.

You are an evil toad.

Well, you people just took a good whipping at the polls

Yeah, I'll bet the toadies who voted for Hitler gloated about the Reichstag fire and the enabling acts.

 

[bripat9643]

Your analysis is mistaken. Your silliness, down there in the dark of the basement, is exacerbated by the criminal philosophy that you embrace. The rebellious states willingly excluded themselves from such deliberations.

Yes, the amendments were constitutionally agreeable, and the southern states wrongly excluded themselves.

Wrong, turd. Those Amendments were passed after the Civil War. The former confederate states had no representation in Congress and were not allowed to vote on the Amendments. In a debate on American history, you're totally unarmed. You don't know anything about it. There is nothing in the Constitution that allows the federal government to bare states from sending their representation to Congress or from voting on Amendments. That simply isn't a power the Constitution authorizes to the federal government.

And you still are ignoring that you got it wrong on the Maryland legislature.

I will accept your silent affirmation that I am right as an apology.

If empty victories like that make you feel better, then go ahead and do your little dance, Fakey. No one else cares.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The states, you child in the basement, could have been reconstructed anytime they wanted. Thus, they willingly absented themselves.

Your mentality is like those in Jackson, MS, the little freaks that would not hold a 4th of July until the 1950s.

Libertarians without a doubt are foolish and operate, like you, with a sense of pathology that is almost criminal.

Your analysis is mistaken. Your silliness, down there in the dark of the basement, is exacerbated by the criminal philosophy that you embrace. The rebellious states willingly excluded themselves from such deliberations.

Yes, the amendments were constitutionally agreeable, and the southern states wrongly excluded themselves.

Wrong, turd. Those Amendments were passed after the Civil War. The former confederate states had no representation in Congress and were not allowed to vote on the Amendments. In a debate on American history, you're totally unarmed. You don't know anything about it. There is nothing in the Constitution that allows the federal government to bare states from sending their representation to Congress or from voting on Amendments. That simply isn't a power the Constitution authorizes to the federal government.

And you still are ignoring that you got it wrong on the Maryland legislature.

I will accept your silent affirmation that I am right as an apology.

If empty victories like that make you feel better, then go ahead and do your little dance, Fakey. No one else cares.

 

[bripat9643]

What happened around 1900? Couldn't be that many realized that a totally unhampered market economy wasn't all it was cracked up to be, could it? Who would want to go back to the days when you couldn't trust the food you bought and you were forced to work long hours for low pay?

No, that's simply the era when the Marxist hocus pocus had enough time to percolate among the morons who then started trying to put their idiocies into practice.

 

[bripat9643]

No, he was not.

He was murdered by a crazy man.

Abraham Lincoln on trial

He was tried, convicted, and executed long ago. And rightly so.

Lincoln got what he deserved.

 

[bripat9643]

Politicians decided that in order to acquire power, fame and profit they had to control the economy and pander to powerful factions such as the Parasites.

The robber barons were the parasites.

ROFL! the men you refer to provided the world with all the material wealth we enjoy today. Men like Lincoln and Woodrow Wilson looted the producers on a colossal scale and sent hundreds of thousands of Americans to their deaths.

 

[Contumacious]

Leland Stanford and his partners got away with what all capitalists wanted: a monopolistic control of an industry so that they could ensure their profits.

Unregulated capitalism leads to the degradation of the working man and his condition.

That is what you want.

Leland Stanford was a corrupt politician and you would have voted for him if he promised you some goodies.

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[bripat9643]

Talk about a jaded and depraved view, Conty. Wow! You want the era of the robber barons back? Tell us the real reason why.

The real reason is that during the era of the so-called "robber barons" the material wealth of this country improved at the fastest rate it has ever improved. Ever since the "progressives" took over, the rate of improvement has been steadily declining. We also had a depression and several major recessions.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Contumacious immoral personality drives him into lies about others.

All the great capitalists wanted as little regulation as possible in order to maximize their power and profits without regard for the American working population, their families, and the good of the country.

 

[bripat9643]

Leland Stanford was a corrupt politician and you would have voted for him if he promised you some goodies.

The Southern Pacific and the Union Pacific were the Solyndras of their day.

Isn't it sad that all the people liberals admire are rogues, frauds, con artists and criminals?

 

[JakeStarkey]

For the wealthy, you pathological scab, not for the American working man.

One great capitalist realized that the true wealth of the country rested in the working man, the true class of consumption that drove the welfare of the country.

Ford would have kicked you into the alley.

Talk about a jaded and depraved view, Conty. Wow! You want the era of the robber barons back? Tell us the real reason why.

The real reason is that during the era of the so-called "robber barons" the material wealth of this country improved at the fastest rate it has ever improved. Ever since the "progressives" took over, the rate of improvement has been steadily declining. We also had a depression and several major recessions.

 

[bripat9643]

Contumacious immoral personality drives him into lies about others.

All the great capitalists wanted as little regulation as possible in order to maximize their power and profits without regard for the American working population, their families, and the good of the country.

Regulation never helped anyone but the politicians. The great capitalists built this country and made it wealthy. They improved the standard of living for everyone in it. The politicians have only harmed the country. Not a single one ever did a thing that benefited the common man.